Janet Jackson :: Charts & Sales History

[MrLeonix]

Kylie is not really that big in Latin America though, she's definitely more popular than Janet over here but she was never on the same level of the big anglo divas in Latin America (Madonna, Britney, Celine, Beyoncé, Whitney, Gaga, etc).

Also like Instinct said, Spotify is not that massive in Latin America either (growing a lot for sure but not huge yet), Youtube is the real beast over here.

[Bojan]

Somebody explain to me how someone with such incredible music videos does not have their videos available?? She literally puts in zero effort when it comes to her catalog. I believe she owns her music as well.

At least they are finally working on it.

[Bojan]

1. Even if she's missing some songs, if you turn these numbers into percentages of how many streams come from a certain country, it doesn't change a thing. Janet will remain too US based. And she doesn't seem to be bothered by it as she only tours US. And the rest of the world moving on from her is no wonder in that regard.

2. Even if YT is missing some songs, do you think it's a coincidence that another streaming service where we can pull numbers for is showing the EXACT same ranking where one act is clearly so far ahead of the other two that are way behind and roughly in the same ballpark numbers wise? You can go around and talk how it's all because of SA, but both Madonna and Kylie beat Janet in Europe handily. Madonna's top country makes for 14% of all streams. Kylie's 12%. US makes 52% of Janet's streams. That's the only red alarm you need.

I understand that, but her overall streaming number would surely be much better if she had a new single now, and all those hits available on YouTube. I just say it's unfair to compare her with artists that have new albums, videos, lyric videos, and performances right now because she doesn't have anything of it. I'm convinced that exactly a year ago, she was as streamed on YouTube as Madonna, or even more.

[HouseTargaryen]

Kylie is not really that big in Latin America though, she's definitely more popular than Janet over here but she was never on the same level of the big anglo divas in Latin America (Madonna, Britney, Celine, Beyoncé, Whitney, Gaga, etc).

Also like Instinct said, Spotify is not that massive in Latin America either (growing a lot for sure but not huge yet), Youtube is the real beast over here.

I think Kylie knew her lane and she was successful at it. She probably didn't care to compete with the "Divas" but she was still successful at what she did.

[beredy]

I still wish you did this a year ago, [MENTION=28072]beredy[/MENTION], when "Made for Now" got tens of millions of views in a month.

Well it's a quiet time for all 3 more or less. Madonna's new videos have low views, Kylie has nothing new out (nobody cares about NYC as streams prove that) just like Janet.

[beredy]

I understand that, but her overall streaming number would surely be much better if she had a new single now, and all those hits available on YouTube. I just say it's unfair to compare her with artists that have new albums, videos, lyric videos, and performances right now because she doesn't have anything of it. I'm convinced that exactly a year ago, she was as streamed on YouTube as Madonna, or even more.

Unless she scores some big hit or a viral song with her new albums, she might go the same way as Kylie or Mariah's latest albums though and not get much of a push on streaming. Random viral TikTok challenge will make Obsessed outstream the whole album of Caution soon. For these divas their back catalogue is where their strength lies in streaming and Janet needs to work on that. Nothing from Madonna's last 3 albums comes close to being her most streamed songs, just like for Kylie and Mariah.

[beredy]

Oh, and @Bojan I just noticed how you sneakily tried to put Made for Now's YT streams last year into the conversation, while arguing that others have large number of streams from SA countries, which is exactly what MFN had

YT Charts goes back only 12 months, but says 34m streams for MFN, of which 5.75m come from US (17%).

Streams from bigger SA countries for MFN:
4.27m Mexico
1.75m Chile
1.42m Argentina
1.19m Colombia
1.11m Peru
0.711m Brazil
0.706m Venezuela
0.500m Ecuador
~11.657m (>34%)

Streams from Europe:
2.1m Spain
1.61m France
1.2m Italy
0.808m Germany
0.752m UK
0.418m Portugal

And I'll do something now, but don't think of it as being shady. This is something ever artist is trying to do know - break into Latin market because it's huge and there's no shame in it. This is Daddy Yankee's top countries in the last 12 months:

Top countries
1. Mexico 1.23B views
2. Argentina 705M views
3. United States 646M views
4. Colombia 542M views
5. Spain 417M views
6. Chile 388M views
7. Peru 380M views
8. Ecuador 271M views
9. Italy 198M views
10. Venezuela 144M views

MFN streams completely correlate to how his top countries are doing, not Janet's. So she definitely tried to grab that market with MFN, but it didn't translate to her back catalog. Something other divas are having much easier time with, it seems.

Her only problem lies in back catalog not being something streaming generation jumped on. Remove Madonna's last 3 albums and she's still way above 1.7b streams. Kylie's last album did something like 62m streams total. Releasing new material helps with visibility, but none of out dusty divas out there are doing blockbuster streaming numbers with their latest materials.

But all other girls do stay more active and cover all the markets they had throughout the years with much more respect. Janet continues to ignore Europe, focuses solely on US and sometimes jumps to Asia if she feels like it. When was the last time she did interview rounds? No random public TV performances from time to time in shows/events just to stay in public eye and remind them of her. She only does it when she is awarded something. Her low streaming is in a lot of ways her own fault unfortunately, not just - oh she doesn't have SA support (as backed by the numbers).

[Bojan]

No, I just said that streams in past 28 days depend on their current activity too. Kylie and Madonna have new eras now, new videos, performances, and it's logical that they have more streams. Janet's back catalog will never be something huge masses are jumping on, at least I think so, because her music is different. She had enormous success because she knew how to market herself and that type of not very commercial music, trough visuals, controversy, and performances, but, with few exceptions, it is not the type of music that was destined to be played randomly while you're cleaning your house. The similar will happen to artists like Beyonce. She will be in a better position than Janet because she has fans among streaming generation, but she will be in a much worse situation than many of her peers, even those who enjoyed smaller success.

[Westen]

No, I just said that streams in past 28 days depend on their current activity too. Kylie and Madonna have new eras now, new videos, performances, and it's logical that they have more streams. Janet's back catalog will never be something huge masses are jumping on, at least I think so, because her music is different. She had enormous success because she knew how to market herself and that type of not very commercial music, trough visuals, controversy, and performances, but, with few exceptions, it is not the type of music that was destined to be played randomly while you're cleaning your house. The similar will happen to artists like Beyonce. She will be in a better position than Janet because she has fans among streaming generation, but she will be in a much worse situation than many of her peers, even those who enjoyed smaller success.

Madonna's new era had no impact on how much her catalog is streamed, just like Made for now had no impact on Janet's, what you doing sis? Janet's numbers are low regardless, even after some of her videos were unblocked and reuploaded in HD views are still bad, only TTWLG benefited from it and it's gaining 9k views per day, ATAP went from 800 views to 2k views per day, Again is still below 1k per day...

Janet's catalog NOW is not something 'huge masses are jumping on' because she is lowkey forgotten in most markets, not because it's different. After all, she was top female artist for very long time in late 80s and 90s because her music connected with huge masses and she had appeal, so you don't have a point.

Yes it's shame she is forgotten because she had great music, but there is no need to discredit other artists and their numbers again, in order to make Janet's numbers less bad. Especially when you are not right.

[MrLeonix]

because her music is different. She had enormous success because she knew how to market herself and that type of not very commercial music, trough visuals, controversy, and performances, but, with few exceptions, it is not the type of music that was destined to be played randomly while you're cleaning your house.

Her music is not different from anyone else's, she's a commercial artist with extremely commercial music in the same way Mariah, Madonna or Celine were. Her biggest global hit "Together Again" is a commercial song.

However, being commercial or not commercial enough doesn't mean you're destined to have bad streams.

Singer Enya is much less commercial than Janet, she was never under the "cool radar", she never took part on the MTV culture, she sang New Age music, basically never gets played on the Radio these days yet she has 1,123,126,218 total streams on Spotify (more than double of Janet).

[beredy]

No, I just said that streams in past 28 days depend on their current activity too.

Sure, but that's why I said - remove their previous eras and they still have more streams than Janet.

Take M's last 12 months of YT streams, remove the last 3 months since she released the album (848m - 227m) and you have 621m streams in the 9 months before her album release (US being top market and accounting for 13% of all streams). La Isla Bonita alone has 172m streams on YT in last 12 months. It doesn't get older than that.

Kylie has released Golden last April, that's way more than a year ago, so we can think of her as being off cycle (and we all know albums die fast in the streaming era for these girls). GH album and one new song nobody cares about doesn't give her any kind of boost these days. She's at 120m YT streams for the past 12 months (UK being the top market accounting for 11.4% of streams).

Janet's at 101m (45% coming from US) for the past 12 months.

It's truly not about new material, it's really about Janet losing impact and relevance in markets outside of the US and as a result of her ignoring those markets, people just don't care about her back catalog. People these days need to be reminded and exposed to your music if you want them to put you on your "cleaning the house playlist" they play every week while doing that.

Janet's back catalog will never be something huge masses are jumping on, at least I think so, because her music is different. She had enormous success because she knew how to market herself and that type of not very commercial music, trough visuals, controversy, and performances, but, with few exceptions, it is not the type of music that was destined to be played randomly while you're cleaning your house.

I disagree. Janet has a lot of songs that can stand on their own as bops. You as a fan shouldn't be blind to that fact. And we don't need to call any of the work from these ladies as random "cleaning your house" music, do we? What's the actual point in that besides unnecessary shade?

The similar will happen to artists like Beyonce. She will be in a better position than Janet because she has fans among streaming generation, but she will be in a much worse situation than many of her peers, even those who enjoyed smaller success.

Ummm, I'm pretty sure Bey has a lot of "cleaning your house" type of songs you can put on random.

No, being serious now she is not a good example or someone you can make a point of. First off, her Spotify streaming is messed up because of holding out for years and she experimented with the ways of releasing the album. Her numbers come with an asterisk and we will see how she fares when she does her next era.

[MaddyX]

The problem with Janet is that she dont have a truly iconic song and thats why her streams are largely shit. She dont have no Like a prayer, she dont have no My heart will go on, she dont have no I will always love you, she dont have no Baby one more time, she dont have no All i want for christmas is you, she dont have no Cant get you out of my head, she dont have no Crazy in love.... she had a lot of airplay based US hits back in the day but none made a significant impact to be remembered by all generations.

[Westen]

The problem with Janet is that she dont have a truly iconic song and thats why her streams are largely shit. She dont have no Like a prayer, she dont have no My heart will go on, she dont have no I will always love you, she dont have no Baby one more time, she dont have no All i want for christmas is you, she dont have no Cant get you out of my head, she dont have no Crazy in love.... she had a lot of airplay based US hits back in the day but none made a significant impact to be remembered by all generations.

So you registered only for this? And no that is not reason. Cindy Lauper has 3 streaming monsters and signature hits and the rest of her streams are super low. So no, having one signature song is not the reason.

[MrLeonix]

So you registered only for this? And no that is not reason. Cindy Lauper has 3 streaming monsters and signature hits and the rest of her streams are super low. So no, having one signature song is not the reason.

Sometimes having that "classic" timeless song plays a huge part on the artists streams stats. These songs are the one getting the most streams and sometimes you see albums having huge streams based on 1-2 songs alone.

So it is important to have songs that stand the test of time. Cyndi Lauper has 717,804,591 total streams mostly based on 3 songs alone, does that mean that outisde of those 3 songs she has big streams? Not at all, in fact they're super LOW and embarrasing but it also shows how having classic songs plays a big part and could indicate that Janet is perhaps missing a big career song in her catalogue.

[Bojan]

It's not like that "Like A Prayer" has 10 times more streams than "Together Again" on Spotify. Only around 2 times more, which is surprising given how many times Madonna performed it on TV in recent years, while the last time Janet performed "Together Again" on TV was 10 years ago.

BTW, 5 songs of Janet's 10 most popular songs on Spotify aren't available on YouTube. Two became available only 2 months ago and one still isn't available in the U.S.

@Westen, it's too early to say how is "That's The Way Loe Goes" performing. It's not like that people in huge numbers will randomly checking for it without seeing it on TV or something. And once they watch it, YouTube continues reminding them that they watched it and offering other Janet's songs and so on. It takes some time and action, so we'll see.

[CandyShop]

Bojan your clutching at straw in the last few pages has become embarrassing......
Just accept the things for what they are: Janet streaming numbers aren’t that good ..... jeez !!

[Bojan]

Bojan your clutching at straw in the last few pages has become embarrassing......
Just accept the things for what they are: Janet streaming numbers aren’t that good ..... jeez !!

I'm not saying that they are. But I don't think that other mentioned artists have impressive streams either, even if they're several times better than Janet's. They're neither ABBA nor Michael Jackson or Elton John. Madonna's streaming numbers are bad too, even if they are several times better than Janet's, beacuse, it's really not hard to have more streams than Janet.

Britney's numbers are disastrous too for someone who started a career 20 years ago and was one of the most successful artists of the past decade. Unlike some of her peers who are in the top 50 and top 100, Britney isn't even in the top 200 on Spotify. Even Shakira is in the top 100 and, as some of you pointed out, Spotify isn't that big in Latin America.

[beredy]

It's not like that "Like A Prayer" has 10 times more streams than "Together Again" on Spotify. Only around 2 times more, which is surprising given how many times Madonna performed it on TV in recent years, while the last time Janet performed "Together Again" on TV was 10 years ago.

BTW, 5 songs of Janet's 10 most popular songs on Spotify aren't available on YouTube. Two became available only 2 months ago and one still isn't available in the U.S.

@Westen, it's too early to say how is "That's The Way Loe Goes" performing. It's not like that people in huge numbers will randomly checking for it without seeing it on TV or something. And once they watch it, YouTube continues reminding them that they watched it and offering other Janet's songs and so on. It takes some time and action, so we'll see.

One could argue that because they're not available on YT people are listening to them more on Spotify as a result. We could go around in circles with various possible reasoning why Janet isn't currently happening on Spotify and YT, but I think I have provided enough data to pinpoint the main problem Janet has - she is too heavily US dependent.

People think of Mariah as US dependent performer where she gets most streams from, but only 28% of all her YT streams came from US in the past year. If Janet had that same ratio instead of 101m streams on YT in last 12 months, she'd have 175m, and if she was in the same range as Kylie and Madonna of having 12-13% come from their top country she'd have 350m-380m views on YT in the past year. Do you see the difference how much more spread out other artists are and how Janet loses so many streams for not having much presence outside US. we can discuss the reasons why now, but that won't change the fact that it's not just South America, a lack of some songs on YT (even if they were there and gave her a significant number of streams, she'd still have the same problem of most of those views coming from US and the same problem of her being too US dependent would be obvious).

[Bojan]

One could argue that because they're not available on YT people are listening to them more on Spotify as a result.

No. Older people don't even use Spotify, they are on YouTube only.

[beredy]

No. Older people don't even use Spotify, they are on YouTube only.

That's what we all assume, but technically, we have no data to back that up (or at least I haven't seen any data related to this floating around here), and also what's older to you? 50? 60? Somehow I don't see people like that being very YT oriented either.

[MrLeonix]

Bojan your clutching at straw in the last few pages has become embarrassing......
Just accept the things for what they are: Janet streaming numbers aren’t that good ..... jeez !!

Exactly

[Bojan]

I still don't see a big difference in streaming numbers between Janet and her mentioned peers. They are lower, yes, but that doesn't make their numbers look good at all and some of you are trying to sound as their numbers are impressive and Janet's are very bad. I don't see that. I even think that considering everything, Janet is performing very well in comparison with them.

[nympho]

Ok, You’re all going in circles now.
Enough of divas streaming numbers comparisons.
Move on.

[CandyShop]

I still don't see a big difference in streaming numbers between Janet and her mentioned peers. They are lower, yes, but that doesn't make their numbers look good at all and some of you are trying to sound as their numbers are impressive and Janet's are very bad. I don't see that. I even think that considering everything, Janet is performing very well in comparison with them.

The definition of a blind Stan lol

[WEBofDESIRE]

No. Older people don't even use Spotify, they are on YouTube only.

I can't find the article now, but I remember reading that a healthy percentage of Apple/Spotify subscribers were actually 55+. The age gap happens with volume, younger people tend to stream a lot more hours per month, but that doesn't equate to older people not streaming.