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  • The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Welcome to my new thread.

    Back in 1958 the BBC chose to compile it's own chart by averaging out the charts from the published music papers of the day.
    I believe the principle of doing so was sound as an averaged chart compiled from these music papers ironed out any discrepancies and extremes from any individual chart thus giving a more meaningful chart.

    However beyond this principle unfortunately the methodology used was weak and was inconsistent. The BBC used a strange method of awarding points to chart positions, 1 point for a No 1, 2 points for a No 2 and so on down the chart to 20 points for a No 20 then later 30 points for a No 30. However this led to many tied positions within their chart. Also the BBC awarded 21 points then later 31 points to all records for all records falling outside a chart which was unfair as obviously all records outside the chart could not hold this position equally therefore giving inaccurate data. Also this method assumed all charts were equal, but they were not as each paper used a different number of store returns to compile their chart so obviously all charts were not equal in the amount of data they used for chart compilation. An example of this shows how in the mid sixties MM was using around 250 store returns but RR by comparison was using around 85. NME was around 200 and Disc around 100.

    Furthermore, once compiled the chart was not thoroughly checked for accuracy as it came to light that some calculations were erroneous leading to some inaccurate charts which were never corrected.
    All of this was a pity, because this was the chart that was broadcast on Pick Of The Pops and Top Of The Pops until February 1969 and was therefore accepted by millions as the chart of choice that they grew up with.

    So, I have gone back to basics to correct these weaknesses and produce a much more reliable 'averaged chart' to compile a chart not only based on Inverse Points but also factoring in the the number of Store Returns that the Music Papers used for chart compilation to produce a much more reflective, accurate, balanced, and consistent chart. I will post these here as I compile them and as an added bonus will add the positions of each of the music papers used and also the BBC chart to give a full picture in one graph displaying history for all to see.

    So, finally to the methodology.

    All records in every Top 30 will qualify for a chart position.
    Each record for starters will be allocated points based on the 'Inverse Points' basis, 30 for a No 1 down to 1 point for a No 30.
    Then points based on proportion of Record Store Returns used by each Music Paper will be factored in. Alan Smith (ASM) did considerable research into this number of store returns so I have chosen to use his reliable research as the basis for my calculations.
    EP's in the earlier years were placed in all the charts except those compiled by RR. To overcome this I took an average of the MM, NME and Disc positions if the EP charted on all three and awarded this to RR to ensure consistency.
    For split sides in NME where both sides are placed close in the chart I have discounted the NME chart position and I again have taken an average of the other charts and awarded this to NME. Where the split side is a considerable distance apart in NME, eg, one side in the top ten and the other at the bottom end of the top twenty or further, I have used the higher chart position.
    For the No 1 position this will be determined by what is No 1 on the most charts. Where there is no majority the points accrued will apply.
    On the rare occasion should a tie occur this will be broken by the store with the highest number of store returns.

    Finally, to assist with reliability with my figures and calculations I am very grateful to RokinRobin for his invaluable assistance in structuring a spreadsheet to compute all the calculations necessary to produce this chart.

    I am going to start in January 1964 for that was when I bought my first records after watching Top Of The Pops, till 1969, then do 1960 to 1963, then the fifties.

    So on with the show ! Enjoy, and feel free to let me know what you think of the first chart about to be posted. Brian.
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Mon June 22, 2020, 13:41.

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    Last edited by MrTibbs; Tue June 16, 2020, 18:49. Reason: Guys I have narrowed the columns on the chart so it now all fits. See below Post No 8.

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    • #3
      Looks good.

      I agree with not including the RR 31-50 as they were pretty unreliable at this time.

      Narrower chart position columns on the right would help with my view of it on a tablet. Also I would like to see the Top 30, then a separating row before the also rans - but this is just a personal preference.

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      • #4
        What about LPs? I notice that 'With the Beatles' is 24, but 14 in the BBC composite.

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        • #5
          Me again. I don't think you should put the average EP position in the RR column as it is not applicable to the RR chart, just a part of your overall calculation to prevent EPs scoring less than they should.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
            The BBC used a method of awarding inverse points, 1 point for a No 1, 2 points for a No 2 and so on down to 20 points for a No 20 then later 30 points for a No 30.

            Each record for starters will be allocated points based on the 'Inverse Points' basis, 30 for a No 1 down to 1 point for a No 30.
            I'm confused.
            Don't bother updating your signature if it's a link. It takes you to completely random pages!!!!

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            • #7
              Thanks for the feedback guys. I am taking this on board. I am narrowing the columns for the next spreadsheet. On the draft it looked as though it would fit but when posted it overshot sorry about that. I will repost 4th January again if you want as I have now adjusted the columns for that too.
              Yes I will insert a row after the 30 to differentiate from the lower positions. I did not use the RR 31 to 50 positions for the reasons you gave Splodj. As the Beatles album was included in two of the original charts I felt it fair to include it as that was how it was at the time. Because the BBC treated all charts equally the Beatles came out at 14 in the BBC chart by the way they averaged it on points. Because I have factored in the music papers and MM had the biggest sample and didn't chart albums this dropped it to a more realistic position in the rankings.
              Yeah I needed to add the EP position to the RR chart in the spreadsheet for the rankings Splodj, but I should have removed them when I posted here but I have now and corrected the chart above.
              Blondini, Hi, The BBC for tallying their points used a strange system of awarding 1 point for a No 1, 2 points for No 2, 3 for a 3 and so on down the chart. I am using the more traditional method of 30 points for No 1, then 29 points for No 2, and so on down to 1 point for No 3, then factoring in the record store returns per Music Paper chart to provide a much more robust chart.
              Don't be too hard on me guys lol this was my first attempt with the spreadsheet and stats.

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              • #8
                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 4th 1964 BBC NME RM MM Disc RR
                Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart
                Week Week Title and Artist Total Chart Positions 30
                1 I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1
                2 Glad All Over - The Dave Clark Five 2 2 2 2 2
                3 She Loves You - The Beatles 3 3 3 3 3
                4 Dominique - The Singing Nun 6= 5 4 7 7
                5 I Only Want To Be With You - Dusty Springfield 5 4 7 5 6
                6 You Were Made For Me - Freddie and The Dreamers 4 8 5 4 4
                7 Twenty Four Hours From Tulsa - Gene Pitney 6= 6 6 6 5
                8 Secret Love - Kathy Kirby 8 7 8 8 9
                9 Swinging On A Star - Big Dee Irwin 9 9 9 12 11
                10 Hippy Hippy Shake - The Swinging Blue Jeans 10 9 12 10 13
                11 Maria Elena - Los Indios Tabajaras 11 11 11 15 8
                12 I Wanna Be Your Man - The Rolling Stones 13 12 10 16 15
                13 Don't Talk To Him - Cliff Richard 12 12 14 11 10
                14 Geronimo - The Shadows 15 14 13 20 12
                15 Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 16 17 16 13
                16 You'll Never Walk Alone - Gerry and The Pacemakers 18 16 15 18 16
                17 Kiss Me Quick - Elvis Presley 17 15 19 14 14
                18 Chris Sandford - Not Too Little Not Too Much 19 22 18 19 18
                19 Stay - The Hollies 21 18 21 28 17
                20 The Beatles Hits (EP) - The Beatles 20 19 24 17
                21 I'll Keep You Satisfied - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 22 23 20 21 21
                22 We Are In Love - Adam Faith 23 21 22 24 20
                23 Money - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen 24 26 17 19
                24 With The Beatles (LP) - The Beatles 14 20 9
                25 All I Want For Christmas Is A Beatle - Dora Bryan 25 27 23 27 24
                26 It's Almost Tomorrow - Mark Wynter 26 24 25 25 30
                27 Do You Really Love Me Too - Billy Fury 28 25 29 22
                28 If I Ruled The World - Harry Secombe 27 26 26 22
                29 I (Who Have Nothing) - Shirley Bassey 29 28 25
                30 What To Do - Buddy Holly 27 28
                31 At The Palace - Wilfrid Brambell and Harry H Corbett 30= 28 26
                32 Do You Hear What I Hear - Bing Crosby 30= 23
                33 Blue Bayou / Mean Woman Blues - Roy Orbison 23
                34 Country Boy - Heinz 29 27
                35 Hungry For Love - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 30 30
                36 The Beatles No 1 (EP) - The Beatles 29
                37 From Russia With Love - Matt Monro 29
                38 I'm In Love - The Fourmost 30
                Last edited by MrTibbs; Tue June 16, 2020, 20:25.

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                • #9
                  Country Boy by Heinz was at #27 in Record Retailer that week, Good chart.

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                  • #10
                    It was the way you described both methods as "inverse points" when only the second corrected method is inverse. The BBC method was not.
                    No matter. Keep it up.
                    Don't bother updating your signature if it's a link. It takes you to completely random pages!!!!

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                    • #11
                      I suppose the BBC system could be called the corresponding points method. It is a bit of a red herring because there is no inherent difference between it and the inverse points method.

                      TOTP spread the idea of the chart to a lot of people who had not been particularly interested in pop music hitherto, so I think this is a good week to start.

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                      • #12
                        I sort of think this is a good idea. It would have been really good if the BBC chart was a well known chart. But apart from when it was TOTP at the time, it's never become an iconic chart and is rarely published. So what you are doing is probably reproducing a new chart for the 60's in many ways.
                        One thing I would say about any point based chart is the size is limited to whatever the smallest chart is. So as NME never went over 30. You can only have an accurate top 30. Even if some of the charts were 100 strong. Which for a time a 100 was produced in one of the papers. The reason you need to stick to a 30 is that some records will start to cue to get into the 30, the bigger you make the chart. Due to the top 31 to 100 slots being not common to all charts. And it's likely that some records would follow a pattern in the charts, if the charts were all the same size. For example a record might enter at 49 move to 37 and then 32 before entering the top 30. And this would be repeated with the odd variation on every chart.
                        For this reason if I were doing them I would produce a top 30 and have the rest as numbered breakers. Even if a record was going down.

                        Not certain how you figure the numbers of shops used to a points figure? That too could produce a cue in places even in the 30. Since the Melody Maker has the most shops it will tend to dominate the 30 and as it became a 50 a low new entry could make the 30.
                        Rather like the Official chart when it was just downloads. I-tunes having all the chart slots and the rest of the sellers having no effect in it's charts.
                        Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                          I suppose the BBC system could be called the corresponding points method. It is a bit of a red herring because there is no inherent difference between it and the inverse points method.

                          TOTP spread the idea of the chart to a lot of people who had not been particularly interested in pop music hitherto, so I think this is a good week to start.
                          Surely there is an inherent difference.....the treatment of records not in the chart/s.

                          The inverse points system is so much more logical I'm amazed the BBC never thought of it....

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                          • #14
                            NME was a Top 30 at this time, as was DISC, MM was predominantly also a Top 30 although it flirted with a Top 50 off and on briefly so it made sense to keep this chart to a Top 30 too but including and giving chart positions to all records that made a Top 30. Much more accurate as it was well known that positions 31 to 50 were unreliable in RR as we're MM who also had the row over hyping in their 31 to 50 positions. So it is a Top 30 but with the records falling outside this numbered from 31 to show their relative positioning.

                            The store numbers do make a difference but not as much as you would think. If you look at the first chart above the differences by and large are subtle but effective. Whereas the BBC treated all charts equally it has long been argued here and wider that MM and NME were the charts using the larger sample so it is right to see that represented in the chart of charts. I am using Alan Smith's researched data for this and not just a figure from my head. As with my previous thread I want these charts to be as accurate as possible with all the information we have and are likely to have.

                            Keep enjoying and watch the new averaged chart unfold telling the real story of the time with inconsistencies ironed out and balance restored. With no way of knowing accurate sales figures for this period I believe this is the best chance we will ever have to reflect how an all encompassing chart of the time should have looked.

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                            • #15
                              The corresponding points system may have tempted them to award 21 points to outsiders, but with a bit more consideration they could have awarded the actual 21-30 positions - which is why I maintain there is no inherent difference, just that the corresponding points system is more likely to lead you astray.

                              With regard to LPs, wouldn't it be better to have them either completely in (a la BBC) or completely out? Out would be my preference, as the NME ended up being the only one to include them.

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                              • #16
                                I have taken your comments on board guys and agree as this should be a singles chart LP's should be excluded especially as only NME and Disc included them, so as it is still possible to do this as I am just starting out I have excluded the With The Beatles album from 4th January and therefore give you the new chart for January 4th below. Am now working on January 11th.
                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 4th 1964 BBC NME RM MM Disc RR
                                Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart
                                Week Week Title and Artist Total Chart Positions 30
                                1 I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1
                                2 Glad All Over - The Dave Clark Five 2 2 2 2 2
                                3 She Loves You - The Beatles 3 3 3 3 3
                                4 Dominique - The Singing Nun 6= 5 4 7 7
                                5 I Only Want To Be With You - Dusty Springfield 5 4 7 5 6
                                6 You Were Made For Me - Freddie and The Dreamers 4 8 5 4 4
                                7 Twenty Four Hours From Tulsa - Gene Pitney 6= 6 6 6 5
                                8 Secret Love - Kathy Kirby 8 7 8 8 9
                                9 Swinging On A Star - Big Dee Irwin 9 9 9 12 11
                                10 Hippy Hippy Shake - The Swinging Blue Jeans 10 9 12 10 13
                                11 Maria Elena - Los Indios Tabajaras 11 11 11 15 8
                                12 I Wanna Be Your Man - The Rolling Stones 13 12 10 16 15
                                13 Don't Talk To Him - Cliff Richard 12 12 14 11 10
                                14 Geronimo - The Shadows 15 14 13 20 12
                                15 Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 16 17 16 13
                                16 You'll Never Walk Alone - Gerry and The Pacemakers 18 16 15 18 16
                                17 Kiss Me Quick - Elvis Presley 17 15 19 14 14
                                18 Chris Sandford - Not Too Little Not Too Much 19 22 18 19 18
                                19 Stay - The Hollies 21 18 21 28 17
                                20 The Beatles Hits (EP) - The Beatles 20 19 24 17
                                21 I'll Keep You Satisfied - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 22 23 20 21 21
                                22 We Are In Love - Adam Faith 23 21 22 24 20
                                23 Money - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen 24 26 17 19
                                24 All I Want For Christmas Is A Beatle - Dora Bryan 25 27 23 27 24
                                25 It's Almost Tomorrow - Mark Wynter 26 24 25 25 30
                                26 Do You Really Love Me Too - Billy Fury 28 25 29 22
                                27 If I Ruled The World - Harry Secombe 27 26 26 22
                                28 I (Who Have Nothing) - Shirley Bassey 29 28 25
                                29 What To Do - Buddy Holly 27 28
                                30 At The Palace - Wilfrid Brambell and Harry H Corbett 30= 28 26
                                31 Do You Hear What I Hear - Bing Crosby 30= 23
                                32 Blue Bayou / Mean Woman Blues - Roy Orbison 23
                                33 Country Boy - Heinz 29 27
                                34 Hungry For Love - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 30 30
                                35 The Beatles No 1 (EP) - The Beatles 29
                                36 From Russia With Love - Matt Monro 29
                                37 I'm In Love - The Fourmost 30
                                With The Beatles (LP) - The Beatles. 14 20 9
                                Last edited by MrTibbs; Wed June 17, 2020, 12:26.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                  With The Beatles (LP) - The Beatles. 20 9
                                  Was "With The Beatles" (LP) still #14 in the BBC Chart?

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                                • #18
                                  Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                  ...it was well known that positions 31 to 50 were unreliable in RR as we're MM who also had the row over hyping in their 31 to 50 positions. So it is a Top 30 but with the records falling outside this numbered from 31 to show their relative positioning.
                                  ...With no way of knowing accurate sales figures for this period I believe this is the best chance we will ever have to reflect how an all encompassing chart of the time should have looked.
                                  Actually Brian I have compiled the top 100 from 1965 and 1966 and I am currently doing the 1967 charts, which of course use sales and not points and take out fiddles. Though to be honest at this period the fiddles were not to bad. I have come across more fiddles doing the 2000 charts! I have marked up the known none entries with a red colour on the Word files I use and compared with the RR 50 from the 60's there are more on the 75 than the 50. Since what was often being fiddled was selling anyway. Just not in the few hundred stores these charts used. I have documented the big hype of Jeff Beck's - Hi Ho Silver Lining, which even got into the 30's selling under 7,000. Not enough to put it in the 100! While the Attack's version was ignored by the other charts and made the top 20! Beck's hype being the thing that triggered the reduction of the top 50 to 30 on the Melody Maker chart, probably! The 1965 chart features the last Woolworth's Embassy records, which had become EP's by this point. Link to the charts below.

                                  https://therealchart.blogspot.com/p/...0s-charts.html

                                  Apart from the LP's on the above charts "At The Palace - Wilfrid Brambell and Harry H Corbett" Would also be excluded not for being hyped, but being all "talk". It's just a recording of Steptoe and Sons!

                                  I would have done the 1964 charts, but the release dates information on 45 Cat was very poor at the date I started doing the 60's chart. So it was best to start in 1965. Prior to 1963 records were still issued on the month, as in the Missing Charts book 1940-52. But from 1963 onwards they went weekly on a Friday. But even in 1964 dates were patchy. Even if the dates were good now. It couldn't be done to get a full list of what was released each week. As some stupid idiot at 45 Cat decided to cut results in the search from 100 to just 50 - this year! Making it impossible to get full results.

                                  Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                  • #19
                                    Yeah Roadie it was, but somehow got deleted from the spreadsheet grrrr. I have re-entered it. Thanks for picking that up.

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                                    • #20
                                      OK guys here is the next chart for 11th January, I have altered the bottom end to just give music paper positions for the records that did not make the Top 30, this allows better focus on the actual Top 30 and improves the overall layout. The records that were outside last week's Top 30 you will note are treated as New Entries in the actual Top 30 this week.
                                      What is interesting is that whilst totally removing joint positions, factoring individual store returns just makes subtle changes to the chart compared to the BBC chart so dispels the suspicion that the largest returns by MM would dominate in it's favour. So all in all a well balanced chart I would say and minus ties.

                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 11th 1964 BBC NME RM MM Disc RR
                                      Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart
                                      Week Week Title and Artist Total Chart Positions 30
                                      2 1 Glad All Over - The Dave Clark Five 1= 2 1 1 2
                                      1 2 I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles 1= 1 2 2 1
                                      10 3 Hippy Hippy Shake - The Swinging Blue Jeans 3 3 3 3 3
                                      5 4 I Only Want To Be With You - Dusty Springfield 4 5 4 5 4
                                      7 5 Twenty Four Hours From Tulsa - Gene Pitney 5 4 5 4 6
                                      3 6 She Loves You - The Beatles 6 6 6 6 5
                                      9 7 Swinging On A Star - Big Dee Irwin 7 7 8 8 8
                                      6 8 You Were Made For Me - Freddie and The Dreamers 8 8 9 7 7
                                      4 9 Dominique - The Singing Nun 9 9 7 9 10
                                      8 10 Secret Love - Kathy Kirby 10 10 10 10 9
                                      12 11 I Wanna Be Your Man - The Rolling Stones 11 11 11 12 12
                                      19 12 Stay - The Hollies 12 11 12 13 11
                                      17 13 Kiss Me Quick - Elvis Presley 13 13 14 11 15
                                      11 14 Maria Elena - Los Indios Tabajaras 14 15 13 14 13
                                      13 15 Don't Talk To Him - Cliff Richard 15 14 15 17 14
                                      16 16 You'll Never Walk Alone - Gerry and The Pacemakers 16 18 17 15 17
                                      14 17 Geronimo - The Shadows 18 19 16 19 18
                                      22 18 We Are In Love - Adam Faith 17 20 18 16 16
                                      15 19 Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 19 16 19 20
                                      26 20 Do You Really Love Me Too - Billy Fury 20 17 22 18 20
                                      20 21 The Beatles Hits (EP) - The Beatles 22 22 20 24
                                      18 22 Not Too Little Not Too Much - Chris Sandford 21 23 23 21 19
                                      23 23 Money - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen 23 24 21 22 23
                                      27 24 If I Ruled The World - Harry Secombe 25 26 25 25 21
                                      21 25 I'll Keep You Satisfied - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 26 28 24 28 22
                                      NEW 26 I'm In Love - The Fourmost 27 25 23
                                      NEW 27 Hungry For Love - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 28 29 28 24
                                      29 28 What To Do - Buddy Holly 29= 26 27
                                      30 29 At The Palace - Wilfrid Brambell and Harry H Corbett 27 25
                                      NEW 30 Baby I Love You - The Ronettes 29= 26 27
                                      Beatles No 1 (EP) - The Beatles 30 29
                                      Country Boy - Heinz 30 26
                                      I (Who Have Nothing) - Shirley Bassey 28
                                      Don't Blame Me - Frank Ifield 29
                                      As Usual - Brenda Lee 29
                                      Poison Ivy - The Paramounts 30
                                      It's Almost Tomorrow - Mark Wynter 30
                                      With The Beatles (LP) - The Beatles 24 20 26

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                                      • #21
                                        Here is the next chart for 18th January 1964. It's proving very interesting. Just take a look at how close it actually is to the BBC chart. So the additional store returns are smoothing it out and fine tuning the average chart without causing major disruption. I'm liking this.
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 18th 1964 BBC NME RM MM Disc RR
                                        Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart
                                        Week Week Title and Artist Total Chart Positions 30
                                        1 1 Glad All Over - The Dave Clark Five 1 1 1 1 1
                                        2 2 I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles 2= 3 2 3 2
                                        3 3 Hippy Hippy Shake - The Swinging Blue Jeans 2= 2 3 2 3
                                        5 4 Twenty Four Hours From Tulsa - Gene Pitney 4 4 4 4 6
                                        4 5 I Only Want To Be With You - Dusty Springfield 5 5 5 5 4
                                        7 6 Swinging On A Star - Big Dee Irwin 6 6 6 6 7
                                        6 7 She Loves You - The Beatles 7 7 7 8 5
                                        12 8 Stay - The Hollies 8 8 8 7 8
                                        8 9 You Were Made For Me - Freddie and The Dreamers 9 10 9 11 9
                                        9 10 Dominique - The Singing Nun 10 12 10 9 10
                                        11 11 I Wanna Be Your Man - The Rolling Stones 11 9 12 12 14
                                        13 12 Kiss Me Quick - Elvis Presley 12 11 11 13 15
                                        18 13 We Are In Love - Adam Faith 13 13 15 10 13
                                        10 14 Secret Love - Kathy Kirby 14 15 13 14 12
                                        20 15 Do You Really Love Me Too - Billy Fury 15 16 14 17 17
                                        NEW 16 I'm The One - Gerry and The Pacemakers 16= 13 22 15 23
                                        NEW 17 As Usual - Brenda Lee 16= 17 20 20 16
                                        NEW 18 Don't Blame Me - Frank Ifield 19 18 21 16 19
                                        14 19 Maria Elena - Los Indios Tabajaras 18 27 16 19 11
                                        15 20 Don't Talk To Him - Cliff Richard 20 20 17 25 21
                                        16 21 You'll Never Walk Alone - Gerry and The Pacemakers 21 22 18 23 20
                                        NEW 22 Needles And Pins - The Searchers 22 18 25 18 26
                                        19 23 Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 23 24 23 24
                                        17 24 Geronimo - The Shadows 24 30 19 26 22
                                        26 25 I'm In Love - The Fourmost 25= 21 27 21
                                        30 26 Baby I Love You - The Ronettes 27 22 30 22 27
                                        22 27 Not Too Little Not Too Much - Chris Sandford 25= 24 27 18
                                        23 28 Money - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen 28 26 24
                                        24 29 If I Ruled The World - Harry Secombe 29 29 28 25
                                        NEW 30 Whispering - Nino Tempo and April Stevens 25
                                        The Beatles Hits (EP) - The Beatles 30 28 29
                                        The Rolling Stones (EP) - The Rolling Stones 28
                                        5 4 3 2 1 - Manfredd Mann 29
                                        I Think Of You - The Merseybeats 30 30
                                        Hungry For Love - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 28
                                        Louie Louie - The Kingsmen 30
                                        Buddy Holly - What To Do 29
                                        At The Palace - Wilfrid Bramble and Harry H Corbett 30
                                        Say It Isn't So - Frank Ifield 26

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                                        • #22
                                          Originally posted by Woz1234 View Post
                                          Country Boy by Heinz was at #27 in Record Retailer that week, Good chart.
                                          How old was Heinz when he died?

                                          Sorry, completely off topic but couldn't resist one of my favourite pub quiz questions....

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                                          • #23
                                            Originally posted by Metalweb View Post

                                            How old was Heinz when he died?

                                            Sorry, completely off topic but couldn't resist one of my favourite pub quiz questions....

                                            I must admit I had to look up how old he was when he died but given your post I had a feeling I knew what the answer would be..!

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                                            • #24
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 25th 1964 BBC NME RM MM Disc RR
                                              Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart
                                              Week Week Title and Artist Total Chart Positions 30
                                              1 1 Glad All Over - The Dave Clark Five 1 1 1 2 1
                                              3 2 Hippy Hippy Shake - The Swinging Blue Jeans 2 2 2 1 2
                                              2 3 I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles 3 3 3 3 3
                                              4 4 Twenty Four Hours From Tulsa - Gene Pitney 4 7 4 4 5
                                              5 5 I Only Want To Be With You - Dusty Springfield 5 6 5 7 4
                                              22 6 Needles And Pins - The Searchers 6 4 9 6 6
                                              16 7 I'm The One - Gerry and The Pacemakers 7 5 8 5 10
                                              8 8 Stay - The Hollies 9 8 6 8 12
                                              6 9 Swinging On A Star - Big Dee Irwin 8 9 7 9 7
                                              7 10 She Loves You - The Beatles 13= 14 10 13 8
                                              18 11 Don't Blame Me - Frank Ifield 11= 11 12 12 13
                                              17 12 As Usual - Brenda Lee 10 10 15 11 9
                                              13 13 We Are In Love - Adam Faith 11= 16 11 10 11
                                              15 14 Do You Really Love Me Too - Billy Fury 13= 15 13 14 17
                                              12 15 Kiss Me Quick - Elvis Presley 15 18 14 17 14
                                              11 16 I Wanna Be Your Man - The Rolling Stones 16 17 17 15 15
                                              25 17 I'm In Love - The Fourmost 17 12 19 18 21
                                              9 18 You Were Made For Me - Freddie and The Dreamers 19 20 16 19 20
                                              10 19 Dominique - The Singing Nun 18 21 18 16 16
                                              NEW 20 5 4 3 2 1 - Manfred Mann 21 12 26 22 27
                                              14 21 Secret Love - Kathy Kirby 20 24 20 21 18
                                              26 22 Baby I Love You - The Ronettes 22 24 22 20 23
                                              NEW 23 The Rolling Stones (EP) - The Rolling Stones 23 19 25 24
                                              19 24 Maria Elena - Los Indios Tabajaras 24 29 21 29 19
                                              NEW 25 The Dave Clark Five (EP) - The Dave Clark Five 25 28 24 25
                                              20 26 Don't Talk To Him - Cliff Richard 26 23 28 30 26
                                              23 27 Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 27 30 23 28
                                              NEW 28 Louie Louie - The Kingsmen 22
                                              21 29 You'll Never Walk Alone - Gerry and The Pacemakers 28 27 22
                                              30 30 Whispering - Nino Tempo and April Stevens 30 26 26
                                              I Think Of You - The Mersybeats 29 29 23 29
                                              Geronimo - The Shadows 30 24
                                              Not Too Little Not Too Much - Chris Sandford 25
                                              If I Ruled The World - Harry Secombe 27 30
                                              Money - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen 28
                                              Sat It Isn't So - Frank Ifield 27

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                                              • #25
                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 1st 1964 BBC NME RM MM Disc RR
                                                Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart
                                                Week Week Title and Artist Total Chart Positions 30
                                                6 1 Needles And Pins - The Searchers 1 1 1 1 1
                                                2 2 Hippy Hippy Shake - The Swinging Blue Jeans 2 2 2 2 3
                                                1 3 Glad All Over - The Dave Clark Five 3 3 3 3 2
                                                7 4 I'm The One - Gerry and The Pacemakers 4 4 4 4 4
                                                4 5 Twenty Four Hours From Tulsa - Gene Pitney 5 5 5 5 7
                                                3 6 I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles 6 6 6 6 6
                                                5 7 I Only Want To Be With You - Dusty Springfield 7 7 8 9 5
                                                8 8 Stay - The Hollies 8 8 7 8 8
                                                11 9 Don't Blame Me - Frank Ifield 10 8 10 10 10
                                                12 10 As Usual - Brenda Lee 9 10 11 7 9
                                                9 11 Swinging On A Star - Big Dee Irwin 13 12 9 13 12
                                                13 12 We Are In Love - Adam Faith 11 13 12 11 11
                                                20 13 5 4 3 2 1 - Manfred Mann 12 10 14 12 14
                                                10 14 She Loves You - The Beatles 15 18 13 15 16
                                                14 15 Do You Really Love Me Too - Billy Fury 14 16 17 14 13
                                                17 16 I'm In Love - The Fourmost 17 15 15 17 20
                                                NEW 17 I Think Of You - The Merseybeats 18 20 16 16 19
                                                15 18 Kiss Me Quick - Elvis Presley 16 22 18 21 15
                                                NEW 19 Diane - The Bachelors 19 14 24 18 22
                                                16 20 I Wanna Be Your Man - The Rolling Stones 20 22 21 19 17
                                                22 21 Baby I Love You - The Ronettes 21 25 19 23 18
                                                23 22 The Rolling Stones (EP) - The Rolling Stones 22 19 29 20
                                                19 23 Dominique - The Singing Nun 23 20 24 24
                                                21 24 Secret Love - Kathy Kirby 24 23 25 21
                                                28 25 Louie Louie - The Kingsmen 28 17 27
                                                NEW 26 For You - Rick Nelson 25= 20 22 30
                                                30 27 Whispering - Nino Tempo and April Stevens 27 26 26 26 26
                                                18 28 You Were Made For Me - Freddie and The Dreamers 25= 22 25
                                                24 29 Maria Elena - Los Indios Tabajaras 30 25 30 23
                                                NEW 30 Candy Man - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 24 29
                                                The Dave Clark Five (EP) - The Dave Clark Five 29 28 28
                                                If I Ruled The World - Harry Secombe 27 28
                                                Song Of Mexico - Tony Meehan 27
                                                Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 30 28
                                                My Baby Left Me - Dave Berry 29
                                                You'll Never Walk Alone - Gerry and The Pacemakers 27
                                                Don't Talk To Him - Cliff Richard 30
                                                Geronimo - The Shadows 29
                                                Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri June 19, 2020, 10:44.

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