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  • Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View Post
    This could have been one of the weeks that Derek Chinnery's daughter (a school child) added up the numbers for the BBC chart, per what Dave Taylor told some of us...
    That's entirely possible. If it was the case the figures were obviously never checked because those errors stand out a mile
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 6th 1963

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 6th 1963 NME MM DISC RR Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 100 150 50 30 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
      1 1 I Like It - Gerry and The Pacemakers 1 1 1 1 1 9900
      2 2 Atlantis - The Shadows 2 2 2 2 2 9570
      3 3 If You Gotta Make A Fool Of Somebody - Freddie and The Dreamers 3 4 3 3 4 9110
      19 4 Confessin' (That I Love You) - Frank Ifield 4 3 6 4 3 8740
      4 5 Take These Chains From My Heart - Ray Charles 5 5 4 5 6 8700
      9 6 Bo Diddley - Buddy Holly 7 8 5 7 7 8120
      7 7 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 6 6 7 8 5 8030
      5 8 From Me To You - The Beatles 8 7 8 6 8 7790
      10 9 Falling - Roy Orbison 9 9 10 9 10 7080
      6 10 Do You Want To Know A Secret - Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas 10 12 9 10 11 6850
      16 11 Da Doo Ron Ron - The Crystals 12 10 12 13 16 6300
      8 12 When Will You Say I Love You - Billy Fury 11 14 11 11 12 6270
      17 13 It's My Party - Lesley Gore 13 11 15 12 14 5860
      11 14 Forget Him - Bobby Rydell 15 16 13 14 13 5590
      15 15 Welcome To My World - Jim Reeves 14 15 14 16 9 5560
      13 16 Scarlett O'Hara - Jet Harris and Tony Meehan 16 18 16 18 17 4620
      12 17 Lucky Lips - Cliff Richard 17 17 18 17 19 4410
      NEW 18 Devil In Disguise - Elvis Presley 19 13 22 15 27 4070
      14 19 In Dreams - Roy Orbison 18 23 17 19 15 3980
      23 20 Bobby Tomorrow - Bobby Vee 21 21 21 22 21 3250
      18 21 The Ice Cream Man - The Tornados 20 27 19 20 18 3140
      20 22 Two Kinds Of Teardrops - Del Shannon 22 20 26 20 2230
      NEW 23 Sukiyaki - Kyu Sakamoto 26 20 25 2000
      25 24 Rondo - Kenny Ball 23= 28 23 27 24 1910
      28 25 Hey Mama - Frankie Vaughan 28 24 24 1750
      NEW 26 Twist And Shout - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 23= 19 21 1700
      30 27 Twist And Shout - The Isley Brothers 27 22 23 1300
      NEW 28 You Can Never Stop Me Loving You - Kenny Lynch 25 30 27 25 22 1270
      27 29 Pipeline - The Chantays 26 28 840
      21 30 Can't Get Used To Losing You - Andy Williams 29 28 29 25 730
      B Sweets For Me Sweets - The Searchers 24 700
      B Nature's Time For Love - Joe Brown 26 500
      24 Nobody's Darlin' But Mine - Frank Ifield 29 26 450
      22 Young Lovers - Paul and Paula 30 30 23 390
      X I'll Cut Your Tail Off - John Leyton 24 350
      X It's Too Late Now - The Swinging Blue Jeans 30 28 250
      B Walkin' Tall - Adam Faith 29 200
      29 Shy Girl - Mark Wynter 29 60
      X Just Like Me - The Hollies 30 50
      X It's Been Nice - The Everly Brothers 30 30
      26 The Harvest Of Love - Benny Hill
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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      • The second version of Twist And Shout to chart enters and already overtakes The Isley Brothers but the biggest version is yet to come ..

        In too comes the wonderful Sukiyaki from Kyu Sakamoto.

        Elvis too enters at #18, after years of chart domination he recently suffered the indignity of failing to reach the top ten. He will go top three with 'Devil' but this will be his last top three record for two years, and will only reach the top ten once more too during this period.
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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        • Greetings Pop Pickers !

          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 13th 1963
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 13th 1963 NME MM DISC RR Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 100 150 50 30 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 I Like It - Gerry and The Pacemakers 1 2 1 1 1 9800
          4 2 Confessin' (That I Love You) - Frank Ifield 2 1 2 2 2 9670
          2 3 Atlantis - The Shadows 3 4 3 3 3 9140
          18 4 Devil In Disguise - Elvis Presley 4 3 5 4 10 8680
          3 5 If You Gotta Make A Fool Of Somebody - Freddie and The Dreamers 6 8 4 5 8 8340
          5 6 Take These Chains From My Heart - Ray Charles 5 6 7 6 5 8130
          7 7 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 7 8 6 9 7 7870
          6 8 Bo Diddley - Buddy Holly 8 12 8 7 4 7360
          11 9 Da Doo Ron Ron - The Crystals 11 10 10 10 12 6870
          13 10 It's My Party - Lesley Gore 10 11 11 8 9 6810
          15 11 Welcome To My World - Jim Reeves 9 7 13 12 6 6800
          9 12 Falling - Roy Orbison 12 14 9 11 11 6600
          NEW 13 Sweets For My Sweet - The Seachers 13 5 18 13 17 5870
          8 14 From Me To You - The Beatles 14 15 12 14 13 5840
          10 15 Do You Want To Know A Secret - Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas 15 17 14 15 14 5260
          14 16 Forget Him - Bobby Rydell 16 16 15 17 15 5080
          26 17 Twist And Shout - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 17 13 17 16 19 5010
          12 18 When Will You Say I Love You - Billy Fury 18 21 16 18 16 4350
          23 19 Sukiyaki - Kyu Sakamoto 20= 18 19 22 25 3730
          20 20 Bobby Tomorrow - Bobby Vee 20= 24 20 19 21 3250
          28 21 You Can Never Stop me Loving You - Kenny Lynch 19 19 24 20 18 3190
          17 22 Lucky Lips - Cliff Richard 22 23 22 21 24 2860
          16 23 Scarlett O'Hara - Jet Harris and Tony Meehan 23 26 21 24 23 2590
          21 24 The Ice Cream Man - The Tornados 25 25 23 22 2070
          19 25 In Dreams - Roy Orbison 24 27 25 23 20 2030
          25 26 Hey Mama - Frankie Vaughan 26 20 26 26 2000
          27 27 Twist And Shout - The Isley Brothers 27= 21 1000
          NEW 28 Nature's Time For Love - Joe Brown 27= 29 29 29 27 720
          24 29 Rondo - Kenny Ball 30= 27 29 660
          22 30 Two Kinds Of Teardrops - Del Shannon 30= 28 28 540
          B Walkin' Tall - Adam Faith 29 28 27 500
          X I'll Cut Your Tail off - John Leyton 30= 25 300
          B Theme From 'The Legion's Last Patrol' - Ken Thorne 26 250
          X It's Too Late Now - The Swinging Blue Jeans 30 30 180
          B By The Way - The Big Three 28 150
          X The Good Life - Tony Bennett 30 100
          X Just Like Me - The Hollies 30 50
          29 Pipeline - The Chantays
          30 Can't Get Used To Losing You - Andy Williams
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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          • Beatles 'Twist and Shout' EP released 12th July. The sleeve notes claimed that Billy Js 'Secret' had reached number one.

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            • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
              Beatles 'Twist and Shout' EP released 12th July. The sleeve notes claimed that Billy Js 'Secret' had reached number one.
              They probably went with either NME or Melody Maker, both huge selling papers. It was 1, as we know, in all the other charts……
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              • Yeah, the problem that prevented it reaching #1 on The Ultimate was that it did not reach #1 simultaneously on the NME, MM, Disc charts doing so on different weeks which diluted it's overall impact.
                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                  Yeah, the problem that prevented it reaching #1 on The Ultimate was that it did not reach #1 simultaneously on the NME, MM, Disc charts doing so on different weeks which diluted it's overall impact.
                  Sometimes the Ultimate Chart gets it right and it did with that one. It's ironic really as the whole of the time Billy J was number two, he was behind the Beatles at one! So if Billy had topped the charts with that he would have knocked off the Beatles!

                  On the other hand this week the Ultimate shows itself to be slow compared to ALL the shops, with Searches already at 2 and Elvis at 3 while Gerry is down to 4. Frank being top.
                  Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                  • I need someone's help

                    I have this somewhere but can't find it.

                    On October 4th 1969 'Je T'aime' appeared twice on the RR chart at #3 and #16 due to being on Fontana who gave up on it and Major Minor who picked it up.

                    But I also know RR had an alternative chart where both versions were combined sales wise. Anyone else got this chart please ?
                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                  • I have the print version of Record Retailer for October 4th 1969 showing the two entries at nos. 3 and 16. But where would any "alternative chart" be published? Never heard of it.

                    Elsewhere in that edition it stated there are 4,500 UK record shops and a further 1,000 non-record outlets stocking musicassettes.

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                    • Cheers Lonnie. I needed it for the 1969 averaged chart
                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                      • Referring back to 8th February 1969,

                        You have I'm Gonna Make You Love Me - Diana Ross and The Supremes and The Temptations at no. 7 and Scaffold not in the chart in your RR listing.

                        but chartwatcherdl in his Record Mirror listings has,
                        Diana Ross/Supremes/Temptations at no. 37 and Scaffold at no. 7. Who is correct?

                        Another mystery. For Lily the Pink,
                        RM/RR run was,
                        ... 7, 34, 19=, 22...

                        whereas OCC run was,
                        ... 7, 34, 20, 19, 22 ...

                        So they have included an extra week.

                        When Scaffold went from 7 to 34 - MRS. ROBINSON (EP) - Simon and Garfunkel went from 27 to 9, then out of Top 50. So perhaps Scaffold should have went 7, 9, 19 and Simon and Garfunkel should have went 27, 34 OUT.

                        Can you solve this mystery?

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                        • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                          I have the print version of Record Retailer for October 4th 1969 showing the two entries at nos. 3 and 16. But where would any "alternative chart" be published? Never heard of it.

                          Elsewhere in that edition it stated there are 4,500 UK record shops and a further 1,000 non-record outlets stocking musicassettes.
                          I remembered that an alternative chart was compiled at the time Brian combining sales of both. I have it somewhere but couldn't locate it quickly for compiling that week of the 1969 averaged chart. Lonnie kindly forwarded it to me. Here it is for your info.
                          • On 30th Sept 1969, Radio One announced the following chart, it is different to the one, featured in chart books, Music Week. This is because both record labels, of JE T`AIME MOI NON PLUS by JANE BIRKIN & SERGE GAINSBOURG (Major Minor & Fontana) were listed together for the BBC, and Radio One. In the chart books, and Music Week, the 2 record labels copies of the song, are listed separately.

                            Here is the chart, as broadcasted on Radio One, for that week
                            01 01 BAD MOON RISING (Although not listed as a Double A side, “Lodi” the B side got lots of airplay in Britain)
                            02 02 JE T`AIME MOI NON PLUS
                            03 04 I`LL NEVER FALL IN LOVE AGAIN
                            04 10 A BOY NAMED SUE
                            05 03 DON`T FORGET TO REMEMBER
                            06 07 GOOD MORNING STARSHINE
                            07 14 THROW DOWN A LINE
                            08 11 IT`S GETTING BETTER
                            09 12 LAY LADY LAY
                            10 05 IN THE YEAR 2525
                            11 06 NATURAL BORN BUGIE
                            12 19 HARE KRISHNA MANTRA
                            13 09 VIVA BOBBY JOE
                            14 20 NOBODY`S CHILD
                            15 08 TOO BUSY THINKING ABOUT MY BABY
                            16 28 I`M GONNA MAKE YOU MINE
                            17 I SECOND THAT EMOTION – SUPREMES/TEMPTATIONS
                            18 27 LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT
                            19 25 SPACE ODDITY
                            20 16 MY CHERIE AMOUR
                            21 23 SAVED BY THE BELL
                            22 BIRTH – PEDDLARS
                            23 24 MAKE ME AN ISLAND
                            24 13 PUT YOURSELF IN MY PLACE
                            25 22 SOUL DEEP – BOX TOPS
                            26 DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO – FOUR TOPS
                            27 29 I`M A BETTER MAN
                            28 21 CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD
                            29 18 HONKY TONK WOMEN
                            30 15 CLOUD NINE – TEMPTATIONS
                            31 HE AIN`T HEAVY HE`S MY BROTHER
                            32 26 WET DREAM – MAX ROMEO
                            33 OH WELL – FLEETWOOD MAC
                            34 47 WHEN TWO WORLS COLLIDE – JIM REEVES
                            34=39 MY WAY – FRANK SINATRA
                            36 17 MARRAKESH EXPRESS – CROSBY, STILLS AND NASH
                            37 30 EARLY IN THE MORNING – VANITY FARE
                            38 48 DELTA LADY – JOE COCKER
                            39 THE HUNT – BARRY RYAN
                            40 34 TEARS WON`T WASH AWAY THE HEARTACHES – KEN DODD
                            41 37 25 MILES – EDWIN STARR
                            42 44 AM I THE SAME GIRL – DUSTY SPRINGFIELD
                            43 LOVE`S BEEN GOOD TO ME – FRANK SINATRA
                            44 36 TEARS IN THE WIND - CHICKEN SHACK
                            45 32 CURLY – THE MOVE
                            46 36 FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE – DOROTHY SQUIRES
                            47 GOODNIGHT MIDNIGHT – CLODAGH RODGERS
                            48 42 GIVE PEACE A CHANCE – PLASTIC ONO BAND
                            48= RETURN OF DJANGO – UPSETTERS
                            50 40 PENNY ARCADE – ROY ORBISON

                            The chart also differed, on the following week (7th Oct 69), when JE T`AIME was again listed together on Radio One. It did not affect the top 30 though. The positions 31 to 50, were as follows:

                            31 25 SOUL DEEP
                            32 50 PENNY ARCADE
                            33 39 THE HUNT
                            34 22 BIRTH
                            35 41 25 MILES
                            36 48 RETURN OF DJANGO
                            37 23 MAKE ME AN ISLAND
                            38 38 DELTA LADY
                            39 37 EARLY IN THE MORNING
                            40 36 MARRAKESH EXPRESS
                            41 EVERYBODY`S TALKIN` - NILSON
                            42 SUGAR SUGAR – ARCHIES
                            43 46 FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE – DOROTHY SQUIRES
                            44 34 MY WAY – FRANK SINATRA
                            45 40 TEARS WON`T WASH AWAY MY HEARTACHES – KEN DODD
                            46 44 TEARS IN THE WIND – CHICKEN SHACK
                            47 45 CURLY – THE MOVE
                            48 28 CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD – ELVIS PRESLEY
                            49 34 WHEN TWO WORLD COLLIDE – JIM REEVES
                            50 42 AM I THE SAME GIRL – DUSTY SPRINGFIELD
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                          • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                            Referring back to 8th February 1969,

                            You have I'm Gonna Make You Love Me - Diana Ross and The Supremes and The Temptations at no. 7 and Scaffold not in the chart in your RR listing.

                            but chartwatcherdl in his Record Mirror listings has,
                            Diana Ross/Supremes/Temptations at no. 37 and Scaffold at no. 7. Who is correct?

                            Another mystery. For Lily the Pink,
                            RM/RR run was,
                            ... 7, 34, 19=, 22...

                            whereas OCC run was,
                            ... 7, 34, 20, 19, 22 ...

                            So they have included an extra week.

                            When Scaffold went from 7 to 34 - MRS. ROBINSON (EP) - Simon and Garfunkel went from 27 to 9, then out of Top 50. So perhaps Scaffold should have went 7, 9, 19 and Simon and Garfunkel should have went 27, 34 OUT.

                            Can you solve this mystery?
                            My positions Brian are taken from the RR charts for that week. They clearly have Sup/Temps at 7 and Scaffold at 34. RR did apparently state at the time their chart was compiled from 'a limited number' of returns. As we have discussed here and on your forum no one seems to know exactly where RM positions originated from and why they differed to RR.

                            I stuck to RR because of this and for consistency throughout.
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                            • Brian I've just noticed chartwatcheredl's RM chart for 8th Feb is the same for those records as RR. It looks like you looked at the 1st Feb chart as it has Scaffold at 7 and Sup/Temps at 37 ?
                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                              • The 'same song on 2 labels' issue reappeared in 1976 with Leader Of The Pack. After a couple of weeks they decided to add together the sales and bracket them together in a single position. This was despite them having different B-sides. Also the Charly version was the original mono, whereas the Comtempo version was a stereo mix with a line in the middle cut out. Radio stations had different policies about which version they played; Luxembourg alternated them.

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                                • True. I was looking at the previous week column.

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                                  • But for 8th February 1969 your RR column is blank.


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                                    • If it outside the Top 30 in RR Brian normally leaves it blink cause "Lily The Pink" was at #34, he only uses the Top 30 RR when complies UAC.
                                      Last edited by Woz1234; Tue May 4, 2021, 19:19.

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                                      • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                                        Referring back to 8th February 1969,

                                        You have I'm Gonna Make You Love Me - Diana Ross and The Supremes and The Temptations at no. 7 and Scaffold not in the chart in your RR listing.

                                        but chartwatcherdl in his Record Mirror listings has,
                                        Diana Ross/Supremes/Temptations at no. 37 and Scaffold at no. 7. Who is correct?

                                        Another mystery. For Lily the Pink,
                                        RM/RR run was,
                                        ... 7, 34, 19=, 22...

                                        whereas OCC run was,
                                        ... 7, 34, 20, 19, 22 ...

                                        So they have included an extra week.

                                        When Scaffold went from 7 to 34 - MRS. ROBINSON (EP) - Simon and Garfunkel went from 27 to 9, then out of Top 50. So perhaps Scaffold should have went 7, 9, 19 and Simon and Garfunkel should have went 27, 34 OUT.

                                        Can you solve this mystery?
                                        https://www.officialcharts.com/chart...19690212/7501/

                                        On the link above "Lily The Pink" seems to be at #19 & #20.

                                        OCC, I think (I could be wrong) have used their chart data [1952-1993] from Chart Stats/Chart Archive website [which is gone now]
                                        because on there "Lily The Pink" was at #20.
                                        Last edited by Woz1234; Tue May 4, 2021, 20:03.

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                                        • They could just as easily have got data from polyhex or others. Graham Betts supplied some data for the Virgin book years ago so they could have got it then.

                                          I think the most important point is not to trust the OCC website until 12 Feb 1994. It is inaccurate sadly. I should write a blog post for my website on error copying through. I can think of two really good errors that show how a source is used as right and not gone back and checked the original. Herb Alpert has a lovely album error (well not really!) increasing his top ten numbers. And there is another in NME in 1953 that’s only an error if you pick up the wrong book. All of these are database key stroke errors and easily done. But all are avoidable if you go back to the original source.

                                          One reason why I want to get my hands on the original sales sheets from the BMRB in the 1970’s because they are the original source. Everything else is a copy.
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                                          • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 20th 1963

                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 20th 1963 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 100 150 50 30 Points
                                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                            2 1 Confessin' (That I Love You) - Frank Ifield 1 1 1 1 1 9900
                                            4 2 Devil In Disguise - Elvis Presley 2 2 2 2 3 9540
                                            1 3 I Like It - Gerry and The Pacemakers 3 3 3 3 2 9270
                                            3 4 Atlantis - The Shadows 4 5 4 4 4 8810
                                            9 5 Da Doo Ron Ron - The Crystals 5 6 6 6 5 8280
                                            13 6 Sweets For My Sweet - The Seachers 6 4 8 5 7 8170
                                            17 7 Twist And Shout - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 7 7 5 8 11 8050
                                            6 8 Take These Chains From My Heart - Ray Charles 8 9 7 10 6 7600
                                            7 9 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 9 8 9 9 10 7330
                                            8 10 Bo Diddley - Buddy Holly 11 11 10 11 8 6840
                                            10 11 It's My Party - Lesley Gore 10 12 11 7 9 6760
                                            11 12 Welcome To My World - Jim Reeves 12 10 13 12 12 6320
                                            5 13 If You Gotta Make A Fool Of Somebody - Freddie and The Dreamers 13 14 12 13 14 5960
                                            12 14 Falling - Roy Orbison 14 17 14 14 13 5340
                                            19 15 Sukiyaki - Kyu Sakamoto 15 16 15 15 17 5120
                                            14 16 From Me To You - The Beatles 16 15 16 16 16 5050
                                            16 17 Forget Him - Bobby Rydell 17 19 17 18 15 4430
                                            21 18 You Can Never Stop me Loving You - Kenny Lynch 18 18 19 20 20 3980
                                            15 19 Do You Want To Know A Secret - Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas 19 21 18 22 18 3790
                                            26 20 Hey Mama - Frankie Vaughan 20 25 21 23 21 2800
                                            18 21 When Will You Say I Love You - Billy Fury 21 20 21 19 2510
                                            NEW 22 Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 22 13 17 2500
                                            20 23 Bobby Tomorrow - Bobby Vee 24 26 22 23 2090
                                            NEW 24 Theme From 'The Legion's Last Patrol' - Ken Thorne 23 19 19 1800
                                            NEW 25 Walkin' Tall - Adam Faith 25 23 28 25 1430
                                            22 26 Lucky Lips - Cliff Richard 27= 30 24 24 1360
                                            24 27 The Ice Cream Man - The Tornados 30= 23 28 1290
                                            27 28 Twist And Shout - The Isley Brothers 27= 22 25 1200
                                            NEW 29 I Wonder - Brenda Lee 26 23 24 30 1180
                                            25 30 In Dreams - Roy Orbison 27= 25 22 1170
                                            28 Nature's Time For Love - Joe Brown 30= 26 26 900
                                            23 Scarlett O'Hara - jet Harris and Tony Meehan 27 29 660
                                            X The Good Life - Tony Bennett 27 27 600
                                            X I'll Cut Your Tail Off - John Leyton 30 26 400
                                            X Mister Porter - Mickie Most 28 300
                                            X It's Too Late Now - The Swinging Blue Jeans 29 300
                                            B I'll Never Get Over You - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 29 200
                                            X Go Go Go - Chuck Berry 28 150
                                            29 Rondo - Kenny Ball 27 120
                                            B By The Way - The Big Three 29 100
                                            X One Fine Day - The Chiffons 30 50
                                            30 Two Kinds Of Teardrops - Del Shannon
                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                            • and the battle is on for 'Twist' .. The Isley Brothers fall at the first hurdle and it seems to The Trems that they are off and running to an outright winner, BUT a certain EP debuts at #22 that signals competition ahead for The Trems .. maybe
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                              • Might there have been some internal MM debate this week about whether to include EPs in their singles chart? The Beatles EP is in the NME & Disc Top 20 but nowhere in the MM chart, not even in the 31- 50 section.
                                                Last edited by Splodj; Wed May 5, 2021, 11:30.

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                                                • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                                  Might there have some internal MM debate this week about whether to include EPs in their singles chart? The Beatles are in the NME & Disc Top 20 but nowhere in the MM chart, not even in the 31- 50 section.
                                                  Given the position it arrives at in the following chart, very probably. That said, Pop Weekly don't show it until the following week either, and while that chart is not one of the more well known ones, its positions may be of value. In the same issue that they chart the EP they state (Under Pop Talk - Page 16) "Beatles new EP reportedly selling 75,000". I'm not going to debate the facts of if it did sell that figure, as we know sales info is open to interpretation and manipulation when not audited correctly but what I want here is if this was selling a significant amount and showing up on returns as a high entry (75,000 spread across the country would indicate that most shops would sell a few copies at least! - so it would show up in their chart returns) then MM would need to decide.

                                                  If this did show up high enough then the MM and others would need to think about including it or not - and if not (particularly when other papers did) they would not want to be seen as out of pace. Plus, suppose it had gone to number 1 in NME and MM didn't even list it? We know now it did not, but at this point they would not. Indeed it got to 2 in MM in the end, and could have been a potential number 1 record. They would want their chart seen as a credible one.
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