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  • Robbie
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    According to wikiepdia Jet Harris was involved in a car crash in September 1963 which ended the partnership. It seems Harris was unable to play guitar for some time afterwards.

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  • MrTibbs
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    In one step The Beatles capture #1. Only RR, surprise surprise, denies them that accolade.

    Jet Harris and Tony Meehan enter with Applejack, a third brilliant and much loved record by me, then will vanish into oblivion. I believe they split up which is a great pity as their three '63 hits were all masterpieces to my mind.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 7th 1963

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 7th 1963 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 100 150 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    7 1 She Loves You - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 3 9840
    1 2 Bad To Me - Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas 2 2 2 2 1 9600
    2 3 I'm Telling You Now - Freddie and The Dreamers 3 3 3 3 2 9270
    5 4 It's All In The Game - Cliff Richard 4 4 4 4 4 8910
    4 5 I'll Never Get Over You - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 5 5 5 5 5 8580
    3 6 Sweets For My Sweet - The Searchers 6 8 6 10 6 7850
    10 7 Theme From 'The Legion's Last Patrol' - Ken Thorne 8 10 7 6 11 7550
    9 8 You Don't Have To Be A Baby To Cry - The Caravelles 7 6 10 9 7 7470
    8 9 Wipe Out - The Surfaris 9 11 8 8 8 7290
    13 10 I Want To Stay Here - Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme 10 7 12 7 10 7080
    6 11 Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 12 13 9 11 6700
    14 12 Just Like Eddie - Heinz 11 8 13 12 9 6610
    11 13 In Summer - Billy Fury 13 12 11 13 13 6340
    12 14 Confessin' (That I Love You) - Frank Ifield 14 15 14 15 12 5520
    18 15 Dance On - Kathy Kirby 15 14 15 14 14 5460
    15 16 Twist And Shout - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 16 21 16 17 15 4430
    22 17 Still - Karl Denver 17 17 20 16 17 4220
    16 18 Sukiyaki - Kyu Sakamoto 19 30 17 21 19 3060
    26 19 Come On - The Rolling Stones 21 22 22 20 24 3010
    17 20 Da Doo Ron Ron - The Crystals 18 18 19 16 3000
    19 21 The Cruel Sea - The Dakotas 20 27 19 24 18 2940
    30 22 I Wanna Stay Here - Mike and Griff 22 16 27 28 23 2490
    21 23 Welcome To My World - Jim Reeves 23 21 22 21 2250
    20 24 Devil In Disguise - Elvis Presley 25 28 23 20 1830
    28 25 Only The Heartaches - Houston Wells 24 25 18 22 1820
    NEW 26 Applejack - Jet Harris and Tony Meehan 26 19 23 1600
    NEW 27 Whispering - The Bachelors 28 18 30 29 1410
    25 28 Two Silhouettes - Del Shannon 29 22 29 27 1400
    29 29 Acapulco 1922 - Kenny Ball 30= 29 24 27 1370
    NEW 30 Surf City - Jan and Dean 27 25 30 26 26 1150
    B Still - Ken Dodd 30= 20 1100
    23 You Can Never Stop Me Loving You - Kenny Lynch 26 28 840
    X Frankie And Johnny - Sam Cooke 24 29 800
    B Wishing - Buddy Holly 30= 26 25 800
    24 Atlantis - The Shadows 28 25 630
    By The Way - The Big Three 30 30
    27 I Like It - Gerry and The Pacemakers

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  • Graham76man
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    Not everyone liked the Beatles!
    Mod mag - Hate beatles.JPG

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  • Graham76man
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    I would put that down to crap charts not that Beatlemania had not taken off.

  • Splodj
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    Yes the sign that Beatlemania had not yet taken hold is that it didn't enter at number one.

    I don't know when the master tapes disappeared. They couldn't find them when they wanted to make a stereo version of She Loves You for the 1966 Oldies LP, and it appears the tapes were already lost when they recorded the German version because they had to redo the backing as well as the vocals - whereas on I Want To Hold Your Hand they only needed to overdub the vocals.

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  • Robbie
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    'She Loves You' seems to be the point at which true Beatlemania was born. They were popular before the single was released but this seemed to be the single that took them from being popular to the next level.

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  • MrTibbs
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    and here they come again .. the tidal wave that will be The Beatles chart domination over the next few months begins as She Loves You crashes onto the chart shore at #7. It will go to #1 next week for the first of two spells there and will remain in the top three until January 1964, and I can always say, I saw it happen

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 31st 1963

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 31st 1963 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 100 150 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Bad To Me - Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    4 2 I'm Telling You Now - Freddie and The Dreamers 2 3 2 2 2 9470
    2 3 Sweets For My Sweet - The Searchers 3 5 3 5 3 8940
    9 4 I'll Never Get Over You - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 4 6 5 6 6 8400
    15 5 It's All In The Game - Cliff Richard 5 4 6 5 10 8380
    3 6 Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 6 10 4 7 8070
    NEW 7 She Loves You - The Beatles 7 2 12 3 12 7720
    8 8 Wipe Out - The Surfaris 8 8 8 9 5 7630
    14 9 You Don't Have To Be A Baby To Cry - The Caravelles 10 7 9 12 7 7370
    7 10 Theme From 'The Legion's Last Patrol' - Ken Thorne 9 9 10 8 4 7310
    5 11 In Summer - Billy Fury 11 12 7 10 8 7240
    6 12 Confessin' (That I Love You) - Frank Ifield 12 14 11 14 9 6210
    25 13 I Want To Stay Here - Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme 14 10 14 11 19 6010
    16 14 Just Like Eddie - Heinz 13 13 13 13 11 6000
    10 15 Twist And Shout - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 15 15 16 15 13 5190
    13 16 Sukiyaki - Kyu Sakamoto 16 18 17 16 16 4600
    12 17 Da Doo Ron Ron - The Crystals 17 23 15 17 14 4410
    23 18 Dance On - Kathy Kirby 18 16 21 18 17 4070
    19 19 The Cruel Sea - The Dakotas 20 19 18 21 20 3980
    11 20 Devil In Disguise - Elvis Presley 19 21 19 22 15 3730
    18 21 Welcome To My World - Jim Reeves 21 21 20 19 18 3640
    28 22 Still - Karl Denver 22 17 25 20 25 3030
    20 23 You Can Never Stop Me Loving You - Kenny Lynch 23 26 23 22 1970
    17 24 Atlantis - The Shadows 24= 22 30 21 1700
    NEW 25 Two Silhouettes - Del Shannon 26 20 23 1500
    24 26 Come On - The Rolling Stones 24= 25 29 27 23 1340
    21 27 I Like It - Gerry and The Pacemakers 30= 24 29 1110
    RE 28 Only The Heartaches - Houston Wells 27 27 24 26 1100
    RE 29 Acapulco 1922 - Kenny Ball 30= 29 26 29 1050
    NEW 30 I Wanna Stay Here - Miki and Griff 28 24 26 950
    B Surf City - Jan and Dean 29 30 25 28 490
    22 I Wonder - Brenda Lee 28 30 480
    B Whispering - The Bachelors 27 400
    X Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys 28 300
    30 By The Way - The Big Three 24 210
    26 Take These Chains From My Heart - Ray Charles 30 150
    B Searchin' - The Hollies 28 150
    X The Good Life - Tony Bennett 27 120
    27 It's My Party - Lesley Gore
    29 So Much In Love - The Tymes

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  • brian05
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    She Loves You .. The record that was the catalyst for introducing me into the world of popular music and a lifetime obsession with charts. I got She Loves You and the Twist And Shout EP for Christmas among others with my new Dansette record player, then with Christmas money I received bought I Want To Hold Your Hand. I was by now totally committed to 'The Fab Four'.
    Identical to my start to record collecting in December 1963. I also bought Gerry's "You'll Never Walk Alone". Seems a long time ago - but they were great times!!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Inexplicable that EMI lost the 'She Loves You' master tapes, even before a stereo mix had been made.
    Oh, I never knew about that one. How and when did they lose the master tapes ?

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  • Splodj
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    Inexplicable that EMI lost the 'She Loves You' master tapes, even before a stereo mix had been made.

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  • MrTibbs
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    She Loves You .. The record that was the catalyst for introducing me into the world of popular music and a lifetime obsession with charts. I got She Loves You and the Twist And Shout EP for Christmas among others with my new Dansette record player, then with Christmas money I received bought I Want To Hold Your Hand. I was by now totally committed to 'The Fab Four'.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah highest in NME and Disc, as its probably the 'advance order' inclusion factor again.

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  • brian05
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    Cliff at no. 6 in NME but only 20 in MM and 25 in RR.

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  • Splodj
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    It is more noticeable when RR lags on risers, but there are some maverick RR positions there on fallers too ...
    Brian Pool at 7 (10 in the others)
    Crystals at 8 (12-14 in the others)
    Brenda Lee at 15 (23-26 in the others)

    Meanwhile, 'She Loves You' released 23rd August.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 24th 1963

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 24th 1963 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 100 150 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Bad To Me - Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    1 2 Sweets For My Sweet - The Searchers 2 2 2 2 2 9570
    2 3 Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 4 5 3 4 8960
    12 4 I'm Telling You Now - Freddie and The Dreamers 3 3 5 3 3 8940
    7 5 In Summer - Billy Fury 5 4 6 5 5 8530
    4 6 Confessin' (That I Love You) - Frank Ifield 6 7 4 7 4 8460
    8 7 Theme From 'The Legion's Last Patrol' - Ken Thorne 7 9 7 6 6 7800
    10 8 Wipe Out - The Surfaris 8= 8 9 9 10 7330
    13 9 I'll Never Get Over You - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 8= 11 8 8 9 7260
    5 10 Twist And Shout - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 10 10 10 10 7 7020
    6 11 Devil In Disguise - Elvis Presley 12 12 13 12 11 6150
    11 12 Da Doo Ron Ron - The Crystals 11 14 12 13 8 6140
    9 13 Sukiyaki - Kyu Sakamoto 14 16 11 14 14 5860
    19 14 You Don't Have To Be A Baby To Cry - The Caravelles 13 13 14 15 12 5720
    NEW 15 It's All In The Game - Cliff Richard 15 6 20 11 25 5330
    24 16 Just Like Eddie - Heinz 16 16 17 16 18 4740
    14 17 Atlantis - The Shadows 18 23 15 19 16 4250
    16 18 Welcome To My World - Jim Reeves 17 26 16 17 13 3990
    21 19 The Cruel Sea - The Dakotas 19 19 19 18 21 3950
    15 20 You Can Never Stop Me Loving You - Kenny Lynch 21 21 21 20 17 3470
    17 21 I Like It - Gerry and The Pacemakers 22 18 24 20 2630
    22 22 I Wonder - Brenda Lee 20 24 23 26 15 2630
    NEW 23 Dance On - Kathy Kirby 23 15 21 27 2220
    27 24 Come On - The Rolling Stones 24= 20 27 24 1910
    NEW 25 I Want To Stay Here - Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme 24= 18 22 1750
    18 26 Take These Chains From My Heart - Ray Charles 26 22 19 1710
    20 27 It's My Party - Lesley Gore 27= 24 30 22 1370
    NEW 28 Still - Karl Denver 27= 22 23 1300
    23 29 So Much In Love - The Tymes 30 25 28 26 1200
    26 30 By The Way - The Big Three 29 27 28 23 1090
    25 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 26 29 810
    30 Acapulco 1922 - Kenny Ball 24 29 800
    28 Only The Heartaches - Houston Wells 29 27 28 590
    X Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys 28 300
    B Two Silhouettes - Del Shannon 25 300
    B Surf City - Jan and Dean 29 30 230
    X The Good Life - Tony Bennett 30 150
    B Whispering - The Bachelors 30 100
    29 From Me To You - The Beatles

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  • TopTwenty
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

    Great discovery Splodj. Some of the other shows look good too. I'll certainly be giving this a listen
    This is an excellent show. It has been running since March 2020. The previous editions can be found on Mixcloud.com. Just search for “208 Top 20” or “Simon Tate”.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    It

    There is an online radio station called United DJs which has a 208 Top 20s show 7pm Sundays. Tonight features the Radio Luxembourg Top 20s from 1962 and 1988.
    Great discovery Splodj. Some of the other shows look good too. I'll certainly be giving this a listen

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  • Splodj
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    It appears the BBC tiebreaked in favour of the Twist And Shout LP, as it was rising and Confessin falling. Both scored 12 points.

    There is an online radio station called United DJs which has a 208 Top 20s show 7pm Sundays. Tonight features the Radio Luxembourg Top 20s from 1962 and 1988.
    Last edited by Splodj; Sun May 9, 2021, 11:02.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 17th 1963

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 17th 1963 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 100 150 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Sweets For My Sweet - The Seachers 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    4 2 Twist And Shout (EP) - The Beatles 3 4 2 3 9290
    8 3 Bad To Me - Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas 2 2 4 2 3 9240
    2 4 Confessin ' (That I Love You) - Frank Ifield 4 3 3 4 2 9220
    5 5 Twist And Shout - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 5 6 5 8 4 8360
    3 6 Devil In Disguise - Elvis Presley 6 8 6 5 5 8130
    10 7 In Summer - Billy Fury 7 5 9 6 6 7900
    11 8 Theme From 'The Legion's Last Patrol' - Ken Thorne 8 9 7 7 7 7720
    7 9 Sukiyaki - Kyu Samamoto 10 12 8 11 9 7010
    14 10 Wipe Out - The Surfaris 9 10 11 9 10 6830
    6 11 Do Doo Ron Ron - The Crystals 11 11 10 12 8 6790
    28 12 I'm Telling You Now - Freddie and The Dreamers 12 7 17 10 14 6060
    16 13 I'll Never Get Over You - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 13 13 13 13 12 5970
    9 14 Atlantis - The Shadows 14 15 12 15 11 5850
    13 15 You Can Never Stop Me Loving You - Kenny Lynch 15 15 16 14 15 5180
    17 16 Welcome To My World - Jim Reeves 16 17 15 19 13 4940
    12 17 I Like It - Gerry and The Pacemakers 17 20 14 16 16 4850
    15 18 Take These Chains From My Heart - Ray Charles 19 19 18 24 18 3890
    27 19 You Don't Have To Be A Baby To Cry - The Caravelles 18 14 25 17 20 3630
    18 20 It's My Party - Lesley Gore 20 22 19 20 19 3610
    22 21 The Cruel Sea - The Dakotas 21 23 20 18 22 3370
    19 22 I Wonder - Brenda Lee 22 24 21 23 17 3020
    21 23 So Much In Love - The Tymes 23 21 24 21 21 2850
    30 24 Just Like Eddie - Heinz 24 18 26 22 26 2650
    20 25 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 25 26 22 25 24 2360
    23 26 By The Way - The Big Three 26 29 23 28 23 1790
    26 27 Come On - The Rolling Stones 27 25 27 29 25 1480
    NEW 28 Only The Heartaches - Houston Wells 28 29 29 26 29 810
    24 29 From Me To You - The Beatles 29 28 27 570
    NEW 30 Acapulco 1922 - Kenny Ball 27 400
    B Dance On - Kathy Kirby 28 300
    X The Good Life - Tony Bennett 29 27 28 290
    25 Bo Diddley - Buddy Holly 30 150
    B Still - Ken Dodd 30 50
    X One Fine Day - The Chiffons 30 30
    29 Falling - Roy Orbison

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  • Graham76man
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    RR was doing an EP chart at the time! The BBC could have simply used that. That way they would have got the EP's charting.

    Such as Gerry And The Pacemakers EP which reached 34 on MM and was 2 behind The Beatles at number one on RR.
    Looking at the JULY releases on 45 Cat at least five EP's would have been selling well by the time of above chart.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah, but the points themselves are not the problem. It's the allocating of those points to every record outside of the RR top 30 arbitrarily whether they were 32, 37, or not even in the top 50. Twist wasn't charted as an EP on RR so you can't just pull no 31 out of the bag for it. That methodology is just inaccurate.

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  • Graham76man
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    Twist and Shout by the Beatles could never had made number one at that point in time. It would have to knock off the top She Loves You! Let's face an expensive EP wouldn't knock a cheaper single by them off the top.
    Even as I think T&S was a better track and dated better than She Loves You.

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    The Beatles Twist And Shout EP should have been number one based on its sales figures
    But note that its large 63/64 sales figures included a second wind after the Queen Mother had rattled her jewellery to it.

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