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  • Robbie
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    Originally posted by setg1 View Post
    Most likely that has been the case in the later decades, as it was reissued in 1991 (in a remixed version) and reached the top 40. But was it really also the better known side in 1962 (meaning that Disc and RR would have both got it very wrong)?

    "Lovesick Blues" seems to have been the more popular song internationally in any case, charting in a few European countries and even the US (#44 in Billboard, #50 in Cash Box) where the sides of each single were separated based on airplay. "She Taught Me How to Yodel" doesn't appear to have made the charts in any other country. I prefer the former by far.
    I was thinking that perhaps 'She Taught Me How To Yodel' may have been the better known side by the 80s. It's another single my mother owned and I have always been aware of 'Yodel' more than 'Lovesick Blues' so perhaps it was just a personal choice by my mother to play what is the B side. But I can remember hearing 'Yodel' on the radio back in the 70s and 80s so possibly by then the track was gaining in popularity.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Thanks membranemusic. The POTP broadcasts have proved invaluable time and time again when we come across transcript errors. That said I had looked at the earlier BBC transcript rather than the updated version Robin referred to which corrected the error. The updated version is to hand now

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  • membranemusic
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    Re this post and comment:
    Here is yet another big omission for your attention on your copies of the BBC charts. Freddie and The Dreamers I'm Telling You Now, is completely missing from 10th August 1963. To me it looks like it should have been placed on the BBC chart as a new entry for that week as the points indicate such, but it was not. Then it is completely absent for the weeks 17th, 24th, and 31st on the transcript. It re-appears on 6th September.
    Interesting. "I'm Telling You Now" is missing from the EARLY Dave/Trevor BBC files for Aug 1963, but shows up in the LATER file revisions, at #28, #12, #3, #2.


    My notes on the broadcast at the time definitely had this record at #12, #3, #2, so someone must have missed it on the logs at that time, and then revised it....

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  • setg1
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    'She Taught Me How To Yodel' is the much better known side of Frankie Ifield's single.
    Most likely that has been the case in the later decades, as it was reissued in 1991 (in a remixed version) and reached the top 40. But was it really also the better known side in 1962 (meaning that Disc and RR would have both got it very wrong)?

    "Lovesick Blues" seems to have been the more popular song internationally in any case, charting in a few European countries and even the US (#44 in Billboard, #50 in Cash Box) where the sides of each single were separated based on airplay. "She Taught Me How to Yodel" doesn't appear to have made the charts in any other country. I prefer the former by far.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    'She Taught Me How To Yodel' is the much better known side of Frankie Ifield's single. Was it listed as a AA side on Record Retailer? On polyhex.com only 'Lovesick Blues' is listed and I think it may have been the same in the Guinness Book Of British Hit Singles.
    NME, as you can see, listed it as split sides and MM also listed it as a double 'A' side. Neither Disc or RR did though both of those just listing Lovesick Blues which I think was the main release side.

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  • Robbie
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    'She Taught Me How To Yodel' is the much better known side of Frankie Ifield's single. Was it listed as a AA side on Record Retailer? On polyhex.com only 'Lovesick Blues' is listed and I think it may have been the same in the Guinness Book Of British Hit Singles.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    WOT!! No Beatles this week? One hit wonder?
    Don't worry Brian lol, they will be back .. very soon

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  • brian05
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    WOT!! No Beatles this week? One hit wonder?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 3rd 1962

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 3rd 1962 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Telstar - The Tornados 1 1 1 1 1 8100
    7 2 Let's Dance - Chris Montez 2 2 4 3 2 7560
    2 3 The Loco-Motion - Little Eva 3 4 2 4 3 7540
    14 4 Lovesick Blues / She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield 4 2 7 2 5 7190
    6 5 Venus In Blue Jeans - Mark Wynter 5 5 5 6 4 7000
    3 6 Sheila - Tommy Roe 6= 8 3 5 9 6880
    4 7 It Might As Well Rain Until September - Carole King 6= 6 6 7 6 6700
    5 8 Ramblin' Rose - Nat King Cole 8 9 8 8 7 6160
    11 9 The Swiss Maid - Del Shannon 9 7 9 9 8 6130
    12 10 Sherry - The Four Seasons 10 10 10 11 11 5590
    9 11 What Now My Love - Shirley Bassey 11 11 11 10 13 5390
    8 12 You Don't Know Me - Ray Charles 13 13 12 12 14 4990
    15 13 Devil Woman - Marty Robbins 12 12 13 13 12 4970
    10 14 She's Not You - Elvis Presley 14 14 14 15 10 4660
    23 15 Bobby's Girl - Susan Maughan 15 15 18 14 17 3980
    16 16 I Remember You - Frank Ifield 16 19 16 17 18 3700
    17 17 Lonely - Mr. Acker Bilk 17= 20 17 19 16 3470
    26 18 No One Can Make My Sunshine Smile - The Everly Brothers 17= 15 21 16 20 3460
    13 19 It'll Be Me - Cliff Richard 19 25 15 18 15 3370
    19 20 It Started All Over Again - Brenda Lee 22 19 24 19 2030
    18 21 Don't That Beat All - Adam Faith 23 20 21 23 1950
    21 22 Send Me The Pillow That You Dream On - Johnny Tillotson 21 22 27 22 21 1910
    NEW 23 Oh Lonesome Me - Craig Douglas 20 25 25 23 24 1750
    30 24 Because Of Love - Billy Fury 24= 23 28 20 25 1700
    NEW 25 Kid Galahad (EP) - Elvis Presley 24= 18 25 1340
    NEW 26 Sun Arise - Rolf Harris 27 21 30 26 1160
    20 27 Roses Are Red - Ronnie Carroll 26 23 22 1150
    22 28 If A Man Answers - Bobby Darin 28= 22 28 1080
    25 29 Reminiscing - Buddy Holly 28= 24 26 920
    NEW 30 The 'James Bond' Theme - John Barry 23 640
    She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield 17
    24 Sealed With A Kiss - Brian Hyland 26 29 610
    28 The Pay-Off - Kenny Ball 30 28 27 360
    X Keep Away From Other Girls - Helen Shapiro 27 320
    27 Things - Bobby Darin 29 220
    X Ever Since You Said Goodbye - Marty Wilde 27 200
    X If Only Tomorrow - Ronnie Carroll 29 160
    X Warmed Over Kisses - Brian Hyland 29 160
    B Must Be Madison - Joe Loss 28 150
    B Love Me Tender - Richard Chamberlain 29 100
    X Limbo Rock - Chubby Checker 30 50
    29 Guitar Tango - The Shadows 30 30

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  • MrTibbs
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    Look who from Liverpool is 'Breaking' this week. Looks like they are about to happen

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 27th 1962

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 27th 1962 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Telstar - The Tornados 1 1 1 1 1 8100
    2 2 The Loco-Motion - Little Eva 2 2 2 2 2 7830
    3 3 Sheila - Tommy Roe 3 3 4 3 3 7450
    4 4 It Might As Well Rain Until September - Carole King 4 5 3 4 4 7320
    6 5 Ramblin' Rose - Nat King Cole 5 4 6 5 5 6990
    10 6 Venus In Blue Jeans - Mark Wynter 6 6 5 7 6 6810
    13 7 Let's Dance - Chris Montez 7 7 8 6 7 6420
    7 8 You Don't Know Me - Ray Charles 9 9 7 10 12 6020
    9 9 What Now My Love - Shirley Bassey 8 10 9 9 8 5890
    5 10 She's Not You - Elvis Presley 10 13 10 11 9 5410
    19 11 The Swiss Maid - Del Shannon 11 11 13 13 10 5110
    16 12 Sherry - The Four Seasons 12= 12 12 12 15 5040
    8 13 It'll Be Me - Cliff Richard 14 15 11 14 11 4930
    NEW 14 Lovesick Blues / She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield 12= 8 19 8 16 4760
    21 15 Devil Woman - Marty Robbins 15 14 16 15 13 4350
    11 16 I Remember You - Frank Ifield 16 17 14 16 14 4250
    15 17 Lonely - Mr. Acker Bilk 17 18 15 17 17 3920
    12 18 Don't That Beat All - Adam Faith 18 20 17 18 20 3400
    14 19 It Started All Over Again - Brenda Lee 19 21 18 19 18 3220
    18 20 Roses Are Red - Ronnie Carroll 20 29 21 22 19 2070
    26 21 Send Me The Pillow That You Dream On - Johnny Tillotson 21 22 26 20 26 1970
    25 22 If A Man Answers - Bobby Darin 23= 24 24 26 24 1790
    29 23 Bobby's Girl - Susan Maughan 22 25 25 23 23 1780
    17 24 Sealed With A Kiss - Brian Hyland 25 20 24 25 1740
    22 25 Reminiscing - Buddy Holly 23= 28 22 27 21 1730
    NEW 26 No One Can Make My Sunshine Smile - The Everly Brothers 27 19 21 30 1490
    20 27 Things - Bobby Darin 26 23 25 22 1450
    30 28 The Pay-Off - Kenny Ball 28 23 29 700
    23 29 Guitar Tango - The Shadows 29 27 27 560
    NEW 30 Because Of Love - Billy Fury 26 29 500
    She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield 16
    27 Will I What - Mike Sarne 28 330
    B Love Me Do - The Beatles 27 320
    B Oh Lonesome Me - Craig Douglas 30 28 28 240
    24 Breaking Up Is Hard To Do - Neil Sedaka 29 220
    28 Theme From 'The Man With The Golden Gun' / Some People - Jet Harris 30 110
    B The 'James Bond' Theme - John Barry 30 80
    X Ever Since You Said Goodbye - Marty Wilde 30 50
    B - Will Chart
    X - Won't Chart

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    1972 proved to be a good year for sixties re-issues, off the top of my head it also benefited Little Eva, Mary Wells, Procol Harum, The Drifters, B. Bumble and The Stingers, The Shangri Las, Roy C.
    In fact if you look at the 70's label site, (link below) which lists record labels by cat number in order, it becomes clear that record labels were always re-issuing records. Most simply didn't sell enough to make the charts.
    https://www.7tt77.co.uk/
    1976 was another year they went mad on. Notably when the Beatles singles were re-issued.
    In many ways it was just easy money for the record companies since they didn't have any recording costs. Plus they were often used on TV adverts.

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  • MrTibbs
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    The Tornados continue to hold everything at bay, Little Eva will be stopped in her tracks, Cliff realises It Won't Be Him, and in comes Del Shannon with my personal favourite of his, The Swiss Maid, a great pop record.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 20th 1962

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 20th 1962 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Telstar - The Tornados 1 1 1 1 1 8100
    4 2 The Loco-Motion - Little Eva 2 2 3 2 2 7720
    2 3 Sheila - Tommy Roe 3 4 2 3 4 7560
    5 4 It Might As Well Rain Until September - Carole King 4 3 4 4 3 7400
    3 5 She's Not You - Elvis Presley 5 7 5 5 6 6830
    11 6 Ramblin' Rose - Nat King Cole 6 5 8 7 7 6530
    7 7 You Don't Know Me - Ray Charles 8 6 7 8 10 6420
    6 8 It'll Be Me - Cliff Richard 9 9 6 9 9 6270
    9 9 What Now My Love - Shirley Bassey 7 10 9 6 5 6130
    17 10 Venus In Blue Jeans - Mark Wynter 10 8 11 10 11 5690
    8 11 I Remember You - Frank Ifield 11 13 10 11 8 5440
    10 12 Don't That Beat All - Adam Faith 12 14 12 12 12 4970
    27 13 Let's Dance - Chris Montez 13 11 16 13 13 4690
    15 14 It Started All Over Again - Brenda Lee 16 17 13 15 17 4320
    19 15 Lonely - Mr. Acker Bilk 14 15 15 16 14 4300
    23 16 Sherry - The Four Seasons 15 12 19 14 15 4170
    12 17 Sealed With A Kiss - Brian Hyland 19 20 14 19 20 3680
    13 18 Roses Are Red - Ronnie Carroll 17 18 17 18 16 3680
    NEW 19 The Swiss Maid - Del Shannon 18 16 23 17 19 3140
    14 20 Things - Bobby Darin 20 22 18 21 18 3040
    29 21 Devil Woman - Marty Robbins 21 19 24 20 21 2580
    18 22 Reminiscing - Buddy Holly 22 26 20 22 22 2330
    20 23 Guitar Tango - The Shadows 24 24 22 26 25 1980
    16 24 Breaking Up Is Hard To Do - Neil Sedaka 23 27 21 25 23 1960
    NEW 25 If A Man Answers - Bobby Darin 25 21 29 27 26 1370
    NEW 26 Send Me The Pillow That You Dream On - Johnny Tillotson 26 23 24 27 1110
    25 27 Will I What - Mike Sarne 27 26 29 24 860
    22 28 Theme From ' The Man With The Golden Gun' / Some People - Jet Harris 29 25 29 720
    NEW 29 Bobby's Girl - Susan Maughan 28 28 23 640
    NEW 30 The Pay-Off - Kenny Ball 30 25 480
    21 Speedy Gonzales - Pat Boone 27 440
    26 Spanish Harlem - Jimmy Justice 28 30 360
    28 Some People - Carol Deene 30 28 28 240
    24 Ballad Of Paladin - Duane Eddy 30 30 190
    30 Blue Weekend - Karl Denver 29 160
    X He Got What He Wanted - Little Richard 30 50
    B - Will Chart
    X - Won't Chart

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  • MrTibbs
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    1972 proved to be a good year for sixties re-issues, off the top of my head it also benefited Little Eva, Mary Wells, Procol Harum, The Drifters, B. Bumble and The Stingers, The Shangri Las, Roy C.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Hmmmmm I wonder too Woz lol. Or maybe I already know

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  • Woz1234
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    Somebody this week [13/10/62] was making their debut in the RR chart @ #49 I'll wonder who that can be?

    In a week or 2 [or days when you're posted the UAC] I'll wonder where they'll get to?

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  • Metalweb
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    'Let's Dance' is a classic. My mum owned the record and I recall hearing the song many times as a youngster. The song has a late 50s vibe / sound to it though, I keep forgetting its from 1962.
    I first heard 'Let's Dance' when it was a hit again in '72.

    It sounded great even then!

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  • Robbie
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    'Let's Dance' is a classic. My mum owned the record and I recall hearing the song many times as a youngster. The song has a late 50s vibe / sound to it though, I keep forgetting its from 1962.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Although challenging for the top position Tommy Roe will have to wait another 6 years to finally achieve this.

    Two cracking new entries this week. Chris Montez with the timeless Let's Dance, and The Four Seasons with Sherry, loved it then and love it now. Bellissimo

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 13th 1962

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 13th 1962 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Telstar - The Tornados 1 1 1 1 1 8100
    4 2 Sheila - Tommy Roe 2 2 3 2 3 7690
    2 3 She's Not You - Elvis Presley 3= 5 2 3 5 7450
    5 4 The Loco-Motion - Little Eva 3= 4 4 5 2 7300
    8 5 It Might As Well Rain Until September - Carole King 5 3 5 4 4 7260
    3 6 It'll Be Me - Cliff Richard 6 6 6 6 6 6750
    10 7 You Don't Know Me - Ray Charles 7 7 8 7 9 6310
    6 8 I Remember You - Frank Ifield 8 10 7 8 8 6160
    14 9 What Now My Love - Shirley Bassey 9 9 11 10 7 5730
    9 10 Don't That Beat All - Adam Faith 11 12 9 12 10 5520
    17 11 Ramblin' Rose - Nat King Cole 10 8 13 9 11 5520
    7 12 Sealed With A Kiss - Brian Hyland 12 13 10 11 14 5260
    11 13 Roses Are Red - Ronnie Carroll 13 14 12 13 12 4920
    12 14 Things - Bobby Darin 14 18 14 14 13 4300
    15 15 It Started All Over Again - Brenda Lee 15 16 16 15 15 4130
    13 16 Breaking Up Is Hard To Do - Neil Sedaka 16 17 15 17 16 4030
    27 17 Venus In Blue Jeans - Mark Wynter 17 11 24 16 22 3390
    18 18 Reminiscing - Buddy Holly 18 22 17 18 17 3330
    23 19 Lonely - Mr. Acker Bilk 19 15 22 19 20 3200
    16 20 Guitar Tango - The Shadows 20 20 18 20 23 3100
    19 21 Speedy Gonzales - Pat Boone 21 26 21 22 19 2310
    20 22 Theme From 'The Man With The Golden Arm' / Some People - Jet Harris 22 29 20 24 18 2110
    NEW 23 Sherry - The Four Seasons 23 19 28 21 25 1970
    21 24 Ballad Of Paladin - Duane Eddy 25 21 23 28 29 1890
    22 25 Will I What - Mike Sarne 27 19 29 27 1540
    26 26 Spanish Harlem - Jimmy Justice 26 24 25 30 24 1480
    NEW 27 Let's Dance - Chris Montez 24 23 23 21 1340
    25 28 Some People - Carol Deene 28= 26 25 28 940
    NEW 29 Devil Woman - Marty Robbins 28= 27 26 26 720
    NEW 30 Blue Weekend - Karl Denver 30 25 480
    24 Pick A Bale Of Cotton - Lonnie Donegan 27 440
    B If A Man Answers - Bobby Darin 28 30 270
    28 Your Tender Look - Joe Brown 29 220
    B Send Me The Pillow That You Dream On - Johnny Tillotson 27 200
    29 Once Upon A Dream - Billy Fury 30 110
    B The Swiss Maid - Del Shannon 30 80
    30 So Do I - Kenny Ball
    B - Will Chart
    X - Won't Chart

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Ah Telstar a lovely track and one of the few instrumental number one records.

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  • MrTibbs
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    From this week you will note that DISC now also compile a Top 30, in line with this the BBC also start to compile a Top 30 although they would not refer to this for another five years continuing to only relate to a Top 20.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 6th 1962

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 6th 1962 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Telstar - The Tornados 1 1 1 1 1 8100
    1 2 She's Not You - Elvis Presley 2 2 2 2 2 7830
    2 3 It'll Be Me - Cliff Richard 3 3 3 3 3 7560
    6 4 Sheila - Tommy Roe 4 4 4 4 4 7290
    11 5 The Loco-Motion - Little Eva 5 6 5 5 5 6940
    4 6 I Remember You - Frank Ifield 6 7 6 6 8 6610
    8 7 Sealed With A Kiss - Brian Hyland 7 9 7 8 7 6270
    21 8 It Might As Well Rain Until September - Carole King 8 4 13 10 6 5940
    10 9 Don't That Beat All - Adam Faith 10 10 8 12 10 5790
    13 10 You Don't Know Me - Ray Charles 9 8 12 9 9 5690
    5 11 Roses Are Red - Ronnie Carroll 11 14 10 7 11 5470
    7 12 Things - Bobby Darin 12 11 11 13 12 5270
    9 13 Breaking Up Is Hard To Do - Neil Sedaka 13 15 9 11 14 5210
    15 14 What Now My Love - Shirley Bassey 14 12 15 14 13 4670
    20 15 It Started All Over Again - Brenda Lee 16 17 16 18 16 3870
    12 16 Guitar Tango - The Shadows 15 23 14 15 15 3790
    25 17 Ramblin' Rose - Nat King Cole 18 13 22 17 19 3490
    18 18 Reminiscing - Buddy Holly 19 18 19 20 18 3300
    14 19 Speedy Gonzales - Pat Boone 17 20 20 16 17 3260
    16 20 Theme From 'The Man With The Golden Gun' / Some People - Jet Harris 21 22 17 24 20 2940
    17 21 Ballad Of Paladin - Duane Eddy 22 19 18 25 23 2930
    19 22 Will I What - Mike Sarne 23 25 21 22 22 2300
    28 23 Lonely - Mr. Acker Bilk 20 16 29 19 27 2140
    22 24 Pick A Bale Of Cotton - Lonnie Donegan 24 23 23 27 24 1930
    26 25 Some People - Carol Deene 25 26 26 23 25 1530
    24 26 Spanish Harlem - Jimmy Justice 26 27 24 30 21 1440
    NEW 27 Venus In Blue Jeans - Mark Wynter 27 21 26 1050
    NEW 28 Your Tender Look - Joe Brown 28 28 21 830
    23 29 Once Upon A Dream - Billy Fury 29 25 26 810
    27 30 So Do I - Kenny Ball 27 440
    X Hercules - Frankie Vaughan 27 320
    Adios Amigo - Jim Reeves 30 29 28 310
    X Puff (Up In Smoke) - Kenny Lynch 29 160
    X Cry Myself To Sleep - Del Shannon 29 29 160
    B Sherry - The Four Seasons 28 150
    B Blue Weekend - Karl Denver 30 80
    Dancin' Party - Chubby Checker 30 30
    29 I Can't Stop Loving You - Ray Charles
    30 Let There Be Love - Nat King Cole with George Shearing

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  • MrTibbs
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    After a decade of regular visits to the chart Nat King Cole debuts with his last chart hit, and one of his best remembered.

    Mr. Acker Bilk after huge success with 'Stranger' decides to have another go with a smooth lush ballad and charts with 'Lonely'

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