The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[Splodj]

The 13.6 average score has been left in the RR box for the Searchers EP. The BBC must have rounded it up to 14 and then done a tiebreaker to place Gerry's new entry above it.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, 'I Want To Hold Your Hand' and 'This Boy' were recorded on October 17th.

[brian05]

From NME on 11th October 1963.
Beatles first GOLD disc. And just days before their famous Palladium appearance. Then Beatlemania is born.

[MrTibbs]

The 13.6 average score has been left in the RR box for the Searchers EP. The BBC must have rounded it up to 14 and then done a tiebreaker to place Gerry's new entry above it.

I usually delete the EP score from RR to prevent confusion and I missed that one so will do it now. Thanks Splodj

[MrTibbs]

I hugely respect that last line in the NME article Brian stating that She Loves you is The Beatles THIRD chart topper this year. They know that, we know that, only RR doesn't know that.

[TopTwenty]

I hugely respect that last line in the NME article Brian stating that She Loves you is The Beatles THIRD chart topper this year. They know that, we know that, only RR doesn't know that.

Totally agree, but the NME would hardly say anything different.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 19th 1963

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 19th 1963								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	100	150	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Do You Love Me - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					1	1	1	1	1	9900
2	2	Then He Kissed Me - The Crystals					2	2	2	2	2	9570
3	3	She Loves You - The Beatles					3	4	4	3	3	8990
4	4	Blue Bayou / Mean Woman Blues - Roy Orbison					4	6	3	6	4	8760
14	5	You'll Never Walk Alone - Gerry and The Pacemakers					5=	3	7	4	7	8470
6	6	The First Time - Adam Faith					5=	5	6	5	5	8430
5	7	If I Had A Hammer - Trini Lopez					7	7	5	7	6	8250
7	8	Shindig - The Shadows					8	9	8	8	8	7490
12	9	I (Who Have Nothing) - Shirley Bassey					9	8	9	9	10	7330
15	10	Hello Little Girl - The Fourmost					10	10	11	10	11	6750
9	11	Applejack - Jet Harris and Tony Meehan					11	12	10	11	12	6620
18	12	Everybody - Tommy Roe					12	13	12	15	9	6110
19	13	Searchin' - The Hollies					13	10	16	16	13	5640
10	14	Just Like Eddie - Heinz					15	16	13	12	17	5570
8	15	It's All In The Game - Cliff Richard					14	14	15	13	16	5450
13	16	Ain't Gonna Kiss Ya (EP) - The Searchers					16	15	17	14	15.3	5021
17	17	Hello Muddah Hello Fadduh - Allan Sherman					17	18	14	19	18	4840
24	18	Memphis Tennessee / Let It Rock - Chuck Berry					20	17	20	17	21	4050
16	19	Wishing - Buddy Holly					18	22	18	18	15	3980
11	20	I Want To Stay Here - Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme					19	21	19	20	14	3860
22	21	Somebody Else's Girl - Billy Fury					21	23	21	21	19	3160
21	22	Still - Karl Denver					22	20	22	24	20	3130
20	23	I'll Never Get Over You - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates					23=		23		23	1440
26	24	Dance On - Kathy Kirby					23=		24		22	1320
23	25	Bad To Me - Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas					25		25		24	1110
28	26	Do You Love Me - The Dave Clark Five					30=	24	29			1000
NEW	27	Be My Baby - The Ronettes						25		23		1000
27	28	Whispering - The Bachelors					26=	28	28		26	900
NEW	29	It's Love That Really Counts - The Merseybeats					30=		26		27	870
NEW	30	Miss You - Jimmy Young					26=	25		26		850
		Mean Woman Blues - Roy Orbison						19
B		Still - Ken Dodd							27	29		700
B		Memphis Tennessee - Dave Berry					28=	27			25	580
B		Fools Rush In - Rick Nelson					28=	30		22		550
B		Mule Train - Frank Ifield						28		28		450
X		Love Of The Loved - Cilla Black						30		25		400
X		The Girl Sang The Blues - The Everly Brothers								27		200
25		You Don't Have To Be A Baby To Cry - The Caravelles							30		30	180
X		Dragonfly - The Tornados						30				100
X		Sally Ann - Joe Brown									28	90
		Come On - The Rolling Stones									29	60
B		Blowing In The Wind - Peter Paul and Mary								30		50
29		I'm Telling You Now - Freddie and The Dreamers
30		The Beatles Hits (EP) - The Beatles

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 26th 1963

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 26th 1963								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	100	150	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
5	1	You'll Never Walk Alone - Gerry and The Pacemakers					1	1	1	1	2	9870
1	2	Do You Love Me - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					2	2	2	2	1	9600
3	3	She Loves You - The Beatles					3	3	3	4	3	9190
2	4	Then He Kissed Me - The Crystals					4	4	4	5	4	8860
4	5	Blue Bayou / Mean Woman Blues - Roy Orbison					5	6	5	6	5	8430
6	6	The First Time - Adam Faith					6	8	6	3	8	8140
9	7	I (Who Have Nothing) - Shirley Bassey					7	5	8	7	6	8000
7	8	If I Had A Hammer - Trini Lopez					8	7	7	8	7	7870
10	9	Hello Little Girl - The Fourmost					10	12	9	11	9	6860
18	10	Memphis Tennessee / Let It Rock - Chuck Berry					9	10	11	9	10	6830
8	11	Shindig - The Shadows					11	14	10	10	12	6470
12	12	Everybody - Tommy Roe					12	15	12	12	11	6000
27	13	Be My Baby - The Ronettes					13	9	16	13	18	5740
13	14	Searchin' - The Hollies					14	16	13	17	13	5440
11	15	Applejack - Jet Harris and Tony Meehan					15	20	14	16	15	4880
NEW	16	Sugar And Spice - The Searchers					18	13	21	15	29	4160
16	17	Ain't Gonna Kiss Ya (EP) - The Searchers					16	21	17	18		4122
17	18	Hello Muddah Hello Fadduh - Allan Sherman					17	24	15	24	14	3960
21	19	Somebody Else's Girl - Billy Fury					21	23	18	21	24	3460
NEW	20	Bossa Nova Baby - Elvis Presley					19	11	27	14		3450
15	21	It's All In The Game - Cliff Richard					20	24	20	20	19	3260
NEW	22	Fools Rush In - Rick Nelson					21	18	26	19	23	2890
14	23	Just Like Eddie - Heinz					25	27	19	26	20	2780
30	24	Miss You - Jimmy Young					23	19	25	23	22	2770
19	25	Wishing - Buddy Holly					24	30	22	22	16	2350
22	26	Still - Karl Denver					26	26	23	28	17	2270
NEW	27	Memphis Tennessee - Dave Berry					28	17		27		1600
20	28	I Want To Stay Here - Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme					27	30	24		21	1450
NEW	29	Mule Train - Frank Ifield					29	29	29	25	25	980
NEW	30	Blowing In The Wind - Peter Paul and Mary					30=		28		28	540
		Mean Woman Blues - Roy Orbison						22
26		Do You Love Me - The Dave Clark Five						28			30	330
29		It's Love That Really Counts - The Merseybeats					30=		30		26	300
X		The Girl Sang The Blues - The Everly Brothers					30=			29	27	220
X		Love Of The Loved - Cilla Black								30		50
23		I'll Never Get Over You - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates
24		Dance On - Kathy Kirby
25		Bad To Me - Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas
28		Whispering - The Bachelors

[MrTibbs]

Surprise Surprise .. It's RR out of step again with the #1 record. You will also note that The Beatles have never left the top three..

[Splodj]

Except in Disc where they have Adam Faith at 3, in one of those maverick placings this process reveals.

DC5 first hit wanes but they will return in a big way and take part in the British invasion with some records scoring better in the USA. Most notably 'Over and Over' being a Billboard & Cashbox no.1. Similar with Herman Hermits

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Good news guys

I have today re-checked all the charts and dates I posted in my Dropbox for Top Pops and I'm happy to confirm they do all check out accurately as they are. My initial work and re-dating proved to be correct. Robin kindly ran a check alongside mine and his too came up with same result. So no changes needed. You have the correct info in the Dropbox for these so enjoy.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/p27jtfask...oVFD5NOpa?dl=0

Just to tidy up a bit, here's the scoop on what 'appears to be but not really' missing Top Pops/Music Now charts from Brian’s Dropbox file.

Per Alan Smith’s Top Pops/Music Now #1’s thread here on UKMix:

https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...w-no1-s?33147=

; the charts that Alan, Lonnie, and Kjell provided to Brian and me; and Brian’s sifting thru them to get the right sequence, we have arrived at the following info regarding skipped and missing issues/charts. I’ll post a more thorough explanation in Alan’s thread above, but for right now I’ll give you the quick version, to the best of our collective knowledge:

ONE--there were no issues published for the following 4 dates:
1 June 1968 (a biweekly off week)
28 Dec 1968 (a post-Christmas off week)
14 Mar 1970 (off week due to relaunching as Music Now with new staff)
2 Jan 1971 (post-Christmas off week, though the 26 Dec 1970 issue was dated for both weeks)

Note that the ‘last week’ chart positions for the week after the above issues all refer back to the previous issue/chart from 2 weeks before, NOT to an unpublished missing ‘last week’ chart.

[Frequently, chart positions for a skipped/unpublished chart are ‘assumed’ to be ‘frozen’ from the previous chart. I can’t say though that I entirely agree with that philosophy; a more accurate approximation would be to average the before and after charts, and make a best calculated guess of debuts and fall-offs from looking at the other competitor charts, in this case NME, MM, RR. But I digress.]

TWO--we are missing charts for the following 2 dates/issues (if you have these please post them !!):
27 Jul 1968/Top Pops issue #31
8 Mar 1969/Top Pops issue #62

Until these 2 charts are found, we can of course grab most of the positions from the next week’s chart ‘last week’ positions. A few positions/records will be missing, though we can make an intelligent guess (with notes !!) as to what they might be based on my above paragraph. A problem, though, is that sometimes the last week positions are in error. I didn’t do a thorough inspection of all these TP/MN charts ‘last week’ positions, but I did stumble across 3 situations with several significant errors.

That’s all folks, rock on !!

[Splodj]

The first Top Pops editor Colin Bostock-Smith was interviewed last year on the community radio station in Uckfield where he lives, so presumably is contactable. He may be the best source for the two missing issues

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 2nd 1963

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 2nd 1963								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	100	150	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	You'll Never Walk Alone - Gerry and The Pacemakers					1	1	1	1	1	9900
2	2	Do You Love Me - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					2=	3	2	2	3	9440
3	3	She Loves You - The Beatles					2=	2	3	3	2	9370
5	4	Blue Bayou / Mean Woman Blues - Roy Orbison					4	5	5	4	4	8660
4	5	Then He Kissed Me - The Crystals					6	7	4	6	5	8480
7	6	I (Who Have Nothing) - Shirley Bassey					5	4	6	5	7	8470
10	7	Memphis Tennessee / Let It Rock - Chuck Berry					7=	9	8	7	9	7510
8	8	If I Had A Hammer - Trini Lopez					9	11	7	10	6	7400
16	9	Sugar And Spice - The Searchers					7=	6	11	8	8	7340
6	10	The First Time - Adam Faith					10	10	9	9	10	7130
13	11	Be My Baby - The Ronettes					11	8	12	12	11	6700
9	12	Hello Little Girl - The Fourmost					12	12	10	11	12	6620
20	13	Bossa Nova Baby - Elvis Presley					13	13	15	13	13	5640
12	14	Everybody - Tommy Roe					14	17	13	14	15	5430
22	15	Fools Ruch In - Rick Nelson					15	14	18	15	16	4900
11	16	Shindig - The Shadows					16	20	14	16	18	4790
24	17	Miss You - Jimmy Young					17	15	20	18	17	4320
14	18	Searchin' - The Hollies					18	23	17	17	19	3960
30	19	Blowing In The Wind - Peter Paul and Mary					19	18	23	22	21	3250
18	20	Hello Muddah Hello Fadduh - Allan Sherman					20		16	24	14	3110
15	21	Applejack - Jet Harris and Tony Meehan					21	28	21	19	22	2670
19	22	Somebody Else's Girl - Billy Fury					27	23	22	25		2450
17	23	Ain't Gonna Kiss Ya (EP) - The Searchers					22		19	21		2300
29	24	Mule Train - Frank Ifield					25	25	25	23	26	2050
26	25	Still - Karl Denver					23=	26	24	28	20	2030
27	26	Memphis Tennessee - Dave Berry					23=	16		27	24	1910
NEW	27	Sue's Gotta Be Mine - Del Shannon					26	19		20	30	1780
23	28	Just Like Eddie - Heinz					30	30	26		27	970
NEW	29	Your Momma's Out Of Town - Carter Lewis						22				900
25	30	Wishing - Buddy Holly					28=		27		23	840
		Mean Woman Blues - Roy Orbison						21
X		The Girl That Sang The Blues - The Everly Brothers					28=		30	26	25	580
		It's Love That Really Counts - The Merseybeats							29	29	28	490
21		It's All In The Game - Cliff Richard							28			450
X		Red Sails In The Sunset - Fats Domino						27				400
X		Guilty - Jim Reeves						28			29	360
B		Busted - Ray Charles								30		50
28		I Want To Stay Here - Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme

[Woz1234]

You've got Just Like Eddie by Heinz twice on UAC 2nd November should at #28 with 970 on Total Points Scored

[MrTibbs]

You've got Just Like Eddie by Heinz twice on UAC 2nd November should at #28 with 970 on Total Points Scored

Your sharp eyes came in handy again Woz . Thanks for noticing that duplication.
I have amended the chart above to take heed of this.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 9th 1963

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 9th 1963								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	100	150	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	You'll Never Walk Alone - Gerry and The Pacemakers					1	1	1	1	1	9900
3	2	She Loves You - The Beatles					2	2	2	3	2	9520
9	3	Sugar And Spice - The Searchers					3	4	3	2	4	9160
2	4	Do You Love Me - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					4=	6	4	4	5	8680
4	5	Blue Bayou / Mean Woman Blues - Roy Orbison					4=	5	6	5	3	8490
11	6	Be My Baby - The Ronettes					6	3	8	6	6	8250
6	7	I (Who Have Nothing) - Shirley Bassey					7	7	5	7	8	8190
7	8	Memphis Tennessee / Let It Rock - Chuck Berry					8	8	7	8	7	7770
5	9	Then He Kissed Me - The Crystals					9	9	9	9	9	7260
10	10	The First Time - Adam Faith					10	10	10	10	11	6900
8	11	IF I Had A Hammer - Trini Lopez					11	11	11	11	10	6630
12	12	Bossa Nova Baby - Elvis Presley					12=	14	13	12	14	5860
15	13	Fools Rush In - Rick Nelson					12=	12	14	15	12	5820
12	14	Hello Little Girl - The Fourmost					14	16	12	13	13	5790
17	15	Miss You - Jimmy Young					15	19	15	16	15	4830
NEW	16	Don't Talk To Him - Cliff Richard					16	15	19	14	23	4490
19	17	Blowing In The Wind - Peter Paul and Mary					17	18	17	21	16	4350
14	18	Everybody - Tommy Roe					18	26	16	18	17	3820
27	19	Sue's Gotta Be Mine - Del Shannon					19	21	20	25	21	3250
NEW	20	Secret Love - Kathy Kirby					20	13	28	17	30	2980
16	21	Shindig - The Shadows					21		18	22	18	2790
NEW	22	I'll Keep You Satisfied - Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas					23=	22	24	20		2500
NEW	23	Maria Elena - Los Indios Tabajaras					22	17	29	19	28	2390
26	24	Memphis Tennessee - Dave Berry					23=	20	27		19	2060
18	25	Searchin' - The Hollies					26		22	27	27	1670
20	26	Hello Muddah Hello Fadduh - Allan Sherman					28		21		26	1650
RE	27	The Beatles Hits (EP) - The Beatles					25	30	23			1300
25	28	Still - Karl Denver					27		26		20	1080
23	29	Ain't Gonna Kiss Ya (EP) - The Searchers							25	28		1050
NEW	30	You Were Made For Me - Freddie and The Dreamers						23				800
		Mean Woman Blues - Roy Orbison						24
B		Busted - Ray Charles					29	27		23		800
28		Your Momma's Out Of Town - Carter Lewis						25				600
X		The Girl Sang The Blues - The Everly Brothers					30			26	25	430
24		Mule Train - Frank Ifield							30		22	420
B		From Russia With Love - Matt Monro						28		29		400
B		The Beatles No 1 (EP) - The Beatles								24		350
		It's Love That Really Counts - The Merseybeats									24	210
X		Red Sails In The Sunset - Fats Domino						29				200
X		Guilty - Jim Reeves								30	29	110
B		I Wanna Be Your Man - The Rolling Stones						30				100
21		Applejack - Jet Harris and Tony Meehan
22		Somebody Else's Girl - Billy Fury
29		Just Like Eddie - Heinz
30		Wishing - Buddy Holly

[MrTibbs]

The Beatles climb back up to #2 on their way back to re-visit #1. They also have an EP on the chart with another two about to join it.

Thanks to regular appearances on 'Stars And Garters' Kathy Kirby bypasses the bottom ten and enters at #20 with what will be her biggest hit.
Cliff enters with Don't Talk To Him which will be his last top three record until 1965. Even he will become a victim albeit in a reduced capacity to 'Beatlemania' and the new British group invasion of the charts about to get even bigger.
Freddie and The Dreamers who enter this week also will go top three for the third time this year yet will only manage one more top ten hit in the years to come.

[Robbie]

The Rolling Stones bubbling under with a Lennon-McCartney composition. Apparently the song was half-written when John and Paul bumped into the Stones in central London, they all headed to the studios where the Rolling Stones were recording and Lennon and McCartney completed the song for the Stones to record. I've read that Mick Jagger was so impressed with how easy Lennon and McCartney made songwriting look that it inspired Jagger and Keith Richards to start writing more of their own material rather than relying on doing R&B covers.

I believe 'I Wanna Be Your Man' was the first song to be performed on Top Of The Pops, which was broadcast on 1 January 1964.

[Splodj]

Some sources say the Stones were the first TOTP act, others that it was 'I Only Want To Be With You' by Dusty.

[Gambo]

^ Surely this is a matter of fact not opinion?! Either the Stones were on first or Dusty was! There must be plenty of clips available of that first show even though I know lots of '60s TOTPs have been lost or wiped? Must say I always was led to believe it was 'I Wanna Be Your Man', but then received wisdom can sometimes turn out to be myth, especially with pop music.

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Many internet sources who list the sequence of the first TOTP show give Dusty as the first act. From Popscene (which agrees with many other sources):

1-1-64: Presenters: Jimmy Savile & Alan Freeman (Wiped)

(5) DUSTY SPRINGFIELD – I Only Want To Be With You
(13) THE ROLLING STONES – I Wanna Be Your Man
(6) GENE PITNEY – 24 Hours From Tulsa (crowd dancing)
(2) DAVE CLARK FIVE – Glad All Over
(NEW) CLIFF RICHARD & THE SHADOWS – Wishing Well (video)
(12) CLIFF RICHARD & THE SHADOWS – Don’t Talk To Him (video)
(21) THE HOLLIES – Stay
(3) THE BEATLES – She Loves You (and charts)
(10) SWINGING BLUE JEANS – Hippy Hippy Shake
(4) FREDDIE & THE DREAMERS – You Were Made For Me
(1) THE BEATLES – I Want To Hold Your Hand (video)

From other sources who don't list the sequence, some say Dusty, some say The Stones. Wiki shows the sequence with Dusty as the first ACT, then also states The Stones were the first BAND.

I haven't seen a show sequence with The Stones as the first act...

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

So now I just found another article stating The Stones were the first act, with a sequence, from the BBC History of Top of the Pops:

The very first Top of the Pops, broadcast on a Wednesday evening at 6.36 pm, was introduced by DJ Jimmy Savile. The opening band was The Rolling Stones, who had just made number 13 in the chart with 'I Wanna Be Your Man'. They were followed by Dusty Springfield with 'I Only Want to be With You'; 'Glad All Over' by the Dave Clark Five; The Hollies with 'Stay' and The Swinging Blue Jeans performing 'The Hippy Hippy Shake'.The show was completed by filmed pieces with Cliff Richard & The Shadows and Freddie & The Dreamers, together with The Beatles, who played the week's number one, 'I Want to Hold Your Hand'.

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

And now a third sequence, from This Day In Music, egads:1

Dusty Springfield - I Only Want To Be With You
The Rolling Stones - I Wanna Be Your Man
The Dave Clark Five - Glad All Over
The Hollies - Stay
The Swinging Blue Jeans - Hippy Hippy Shake
Cliff Richard and the Shadows - Don't Talk To Him (on film)
Freddie & the Dreamers - You Were Made For Me (on film)
The Beatles - She Loves You (on disc)
The Beatles - I Wanna Hold Your Hand (on disc)
Gene Pitney - 24 Hours From Tulsa (on disc)

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

And if you can stand it, here's a 4th sequence from the Internet Movie Database site, ugh:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0730081/fullcredits

[Splodj]

When TOTP arrived they started to make use of their internal 21-30 section. The lead time for acts to be booked meant that they had to anticipate what would be in their Top 20 before it was calculated, and risers below 20 were a good guide for this.

So they probably had expected The Hollies 'Stay' to make the 20, but it just missed by being at (an undisclosed) 21. It was a new entry the following week at 12.

[MrTibbs]

.. oh don't we just love the sixties mysteries surrounding performers and charts with all the contradictions. It's such a pity that we have lost all those early TOTP shows with Denise placing the records on the turntable as if the acts were actually miming to those. I loved the intro to the show, the introductory music then ,Yes It's Number One It's Top Of The Pops', while a sample of it was played as they showed us the Top Twenty board in the background. Magical