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  • Splodj
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    Marty Wilde 5, Ritchie Valens 30. Yet today when 'Donna' is played on the radio it is always the Ritchie Valens version. Buyers of it would have had the bonus of a B-side (La Bamba) that was still hip enough to make the Top 50 in 1987.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 18th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 18th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 1 1 2 1 1 5975
    3 2 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 2 2 1 2 1 5885
    2 3 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 3 4 3 3 3 5525
    5 4 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 4 3 4 4 6 5355
    9 5 Donna - Marty Wilde 5 5 6 5 4 5235
    13 6 C'mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran 6 6 7 6 8 4855
    11 7 Charlie Brown - The Coasters 8 8 9 8 5 4755
    4 8 My Happiness - Connie Francis 7 10 5 7 7 4625
    7 9 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 9 7 8 11 10 4435
    6 10 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 10 12 10 9 9 4150
    10 11 Gigi - Billy Eckstine 11 9 11 13 11 4070
    12 12 The Little Drummer Boy - The Beverly Sisters 12= 11 16 10 14 3735
    8 13 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 12= 14 12 12 13 3590
    14 14 Tomboy - Perry Como 14= 13 13 15 15 3400
    15 15 Sing Little Birdie - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 14= 16 15 14 12 3345
    16 16 Wait For Me / Willingly - Malcolm Vaughan 17 15 18 18 19 2765
    NEW 17 It's Late / Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson 16 22 14 16 16 2600
    17 18 By The Light Of The Silvery Moon - Little Richard 18 17 20 18 2270
    18 19 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury 19 18 17 1815
    19 20 Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavour - Lonnie Donegan 20 19 1305
    20 21 (All Of A Sudden) - My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 19 20 1175
    22 22 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 20 17 19 1070
    28 23 French Foreign Legion - Frank Sinatra 21 750
    26 24 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 23 600
    27 25 Venus - Frankie Avalon 17 560
    RE 26 The Little Drummer Boy - Michael Flanders 24 525
    23 27 With The Wind And The Rain In Your Hair - Pat Boone 25 450
    RE 28 Venus - Dickie Valentine 26 375
    29 29 Early To Bed - The Poni-Tails 27 300
    21 30 Donna - Ritchie Valens 19 300
    24 All American Boy - Bill Parsons 28 225
    The Wonderful Secret Of Love - Robert Earl 29 150
    25 Manhattan Spiritual - Reg Owen 30 75
    30 Problems - The Everly Brothers

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  • Robbie
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    The 4 newspaper charts are pretty much in agreement with the top 6. This week Disc makes the running on some of the climbers.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 11th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 11th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 1 1 1 1 1 6000
    2 2 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 2 2 2 2 3 5740
    4 3 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 3 3 3 3 2 5660
    3 4 My Happiness - Connie Francis 4= 4 5 5 4 5335
    6 5 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 4= 5 4 4 5 5265
    5 6 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 6 6 7 6 5 5035
    8 7 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 7 7 6 11 7 4665
    7 8 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 8 9 9 7 10 4420
    14 9 Donna - Marty Wilde 10 10 14 8 8 4300
    10 10 Gigi - Billy Eckstine 9 8 8 12 11 4260
    16 11 Charlie Brown - The Coasters 11= 13 13 10 9 3960
    9 12 The Little Drummer Boy - The Beverly Sisters 11= 11 12 9 13 3935
    15 13 C'mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran 13 14 10 13 12 3660
    11 14 Tomboy - Perry Como 14 12 15 15 14 3485
    12 15 Sing Little Birdie - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 15 15 11 14 17 3220
    17 16 Wait For Me / Willingly - Malcolm Vaughan 16 16 16 16 2400
    20 17 By The Light Of The Silvery Moon - Little Richard 17 17 17 15 2360
    22 18 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury 19= 18 19 18 2235
    13 19 Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavour - Lonnie Donegan 18 19 16 19 2220
    19 20 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 19= 20 18 17 1710
    RE 21 Donna - Ritchie Valens 20 20 935
    18 22 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 24 19 825
    NEW 23 With The Wind And The Rain In Your Hair - Pat Boone 21 750
    NEW 24 All American Boy - Bill Parsons 22 675
    30 25 Manhattan Spiritual - Reg Owen 28 20 665
    21 26 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 23 600
    NEW 27 Venus - Frankie Avalon 18 520
    NEW 28 French Foreign Legion - Frank Sinatra 25 450
    NEW 29 Early To Bed - The Poni-Tails 26 375
    28 30 Problems - The Everly Brothers 27 300
    Baby Face - Little Richard 29 150
    25 The Wonderful Secret Of Love - Robert Earl 30 75
    23 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears
    24 Lonely One - Duane Eddy
    26 Ciao Ciao Bambina - Marino Marini
    27 Venus - Dickie Valentine
    29 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone

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  • Splodj
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    In a sales-based chart Buddy might have already been number one.

    My theory is that sales for 'records with momentum' rise unevenly. So in some stores sales increase slowly but in others they are soaring ahead. This might be why BMRB and Gallup had them shooting up faster than the points-based charts which were unable to reflect sufficiently the 'soaring ahead' aspect. (I would be interested to hear alternative explanations!)

    But I don't know why Disc are slowest now - nor why in the 60s, pre-BMRB, NME were fastest. Perhaps the 'soaring ahead' stores were largely the same and speed depended on the proportion of them you had.

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  • Robbie
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    Disc again seems to be a week behind all the other newspaper charts when it comes to records with momentum - 'It Doesn't Matter Anymore', for example, plus records that were new to the UAC top 20. Thankfully it's relatively low sized sales panel doesn't drag down newer hits by much.

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  • Splodj
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    There was one POTP in which their points calculations were revealed. That was the 1966 chart of the year, available on the web. I tried to recreate the points for a few records but gave up, concluding that it was riddled with mistakes.

    Just realised that Pub Without is in waltz time, which is unusual for a singalong-type song and adds to its quirkiness. That other Aussie favourite Waltzing Matilda is not in waltz time, so maybe they got them mixed up!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 4th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 4th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 1 1 1 1 1 6000
    2 2 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 2 2 2 2 2 5800
    3 3 My Happiness - Connie Francis 3 5 3 3 4 5390
    10 4 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 5 3 5 10 3 5270
    4 5 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 6 4 6 7 5 5170
    5 6 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 4 6 4 4 6 5130
    6 7 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 7 8 7 5 8 4745
    7 8 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 8 7 8 8 7 4735
    8 9 The Little Drummer Boy - The Beverly Sisters 9 11 10 6 9 4345
    9 10 Gigi - Billy Eckstine 10 9 9 9 10 4340
    12 11 Tomboy - Perry Como 11 10 12 14 12 3870
    17 12 Sing Little Birdie - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 12 12 11 12 19 3405
    11 13 Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavour - Lonnie Donegan 13= 14 18 11 16 3300
    18 14 Donna - Marty Wilde 15 15 20 16 11 3275
    14 15 C'mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran 13= 17 13 15 14 3160
    19 16 Charlie Brown - The Coasters 17 16 17 20 13 2995
    22 17 Wait For Me / Willingly - Malcolm Vaughan 16 13 16 15 2685
    15 18 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 19 21 14 18 18 2475
    13 19 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 18 18 15 13 2095
    NEW 20 By The Light Of The Silvery Moon - Little Richard 20 17 1665
    16 21 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 20 19 17 1460
    24 22 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury 22 19 1155
    25 23 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears 26 19 675
    NEW 24 Lonely One - Duane Eddy 20 660
    20 25 The Wonderful Secret Of Love - Robert Earl 23 600
    RE 26 Ciao Ciao Bambina - Marino Marini 24 525
    RE 27 Venus - Dickie Valentine 25 450
    28 28 Problems - The Everly Brothers 27 300
    26 29 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 28 225
    23 30 Manhattan Spiritual - Reg Owen 29 150
    29 Baby Face - Little Richard 30 75
    21 Donna - Ritchie Valens
    27 The Little Drummer Boy - The Harry Simeone Chorale
    30 Ciao Ciao Bambina - Domenico Modugno

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  • braindeadpj
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    On the 28th February Chart, Chris Barber, The Beverly Sisters and The Everly Brothers should be equal 8 on the BBC Chart as they all have 36 points, No logical reason for spliting them as they did (if anything Chris Barber was climbing further than The Beverly Sisters while The Everly Brothers were stable).

    On the 7th March Chart, Perry Como and Billy Eckstine are equal 19 on the BBC chart with 77 points. Perhaps they split them based on Perry Como being a new entry in the Top 20 while Billy Eckstine was at 18 last week (and so dropping).

    On the 14th March Chart, pointwise, Buddy Holly and the Teddy Bears appear to have been transposed as Buddy Holly is on 55 and The Teddy Bears on 56 points for the BBC chart.

    No errors on the other two BBC charts.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yip. 3 point rule applied, equal points, equal hierarchy too so goes to highest sample of shops NME so Russ is #1.

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  • Splodj
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    So what is the UAC tiebreaking method used here - NME allegedly having the largest survey?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 28th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 28th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 1= 1 1 2 2 5900
    1 2 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 1= 2 2 1 1 5900
    5 3 My Happiness - Connie Francis 3 4 3 4 3 5485
    2 4 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 4 3 4 5 4 5435
    6 5 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 5 5 5 3 5 5280
    4 6 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 6 6 6 7 7 4900
    8 7 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 7 7 8 8 6 4795
    7 8 The Little Drummer Boy - The Beverly Sisters 8 10 9 6 9 4445
    10 9 Gigi - Billy Eckstine 9 8 7 10 11 4365
    11 10 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 10 9 10 13 8 4275
    9 11 Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavour - Lonnie Donegan 11 11 12 9 10 4115
    15 12 Tomboy - Perry Como 12 14 13 12 12 3625
    14 13 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 13 13 11 14 14 3550
    16 14 C'mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran 14 12 16 15 15 3400
    13 15 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 15 15 15 17 17 3000
    12 16 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 16 16 18 16 18 2830
    18 17 Sing Little Birdie - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 17 20 14 19 19 2450
    25 18 Donna - Marty Wilde 20 21 19 16 1950
    NEW 19 Charlie Brown - The Coasters 19 22 13 1755
    20 20 The Wonderful Secret Of Love - Robert Earl 17 20 1490
    26 21 Donna - Ritchie Valens 18 11 20 1460
    30 22 Wait For Me / Willingly - Malcolm Vaughan 18 20 1250
    19 23 Manhattan Spiritual - Reg Owen 24 18 1045
    RE 24 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury 19 900
    21 25 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears 27 17 650
    24 26 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 23 600
    23 27 The Little Drummer Boy - The Harry Simeone Chorale 24 525
    17 28 Problems - The Everly Brothers 26 375
    22 29 Baby Face - Little Richard 28 225
    NEW 30 Ciao Ciao Bambina - Domenico Modugno 29 150
    The Story Of My Love - Conway Twitty 30 75
    27 Ciao Ciao Bambina - Marino Marini
    27 The Day The Rains Came - Jane Morgan
    29 The Little Drummer Boy - Michael Flanders

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Blondini View Post
    Marino Marini. Italiano!
    And he is about to be joined on the chart by another 'Italiano'

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  • Blondini
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    Marino Marini. Italiano!

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  • MrTibbs
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    The Platters now dominate on all charts. They never quite got the recognition they deserved for their contribution to music in the latter half of the fifties.
    Buddy Holly is making surprisingly hard work of climbing the chart.
    Number 18, least said the better.
    Billy Eckstine, a class act. What a voice.
    As an overview of this chart it's kind of a battle between the old and the new with the older traditional ballad style songs still holding on and obstinately refusing to let go.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 21st 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 21st 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 1 1 1 1 1 6000
    2 2 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 2 2 2 4 2 5720
    4 3 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 3 3 5 2 3 5590
    3 4 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 4 4 3 3 5 5405
    8 5 My Happiness - Connie Francis 5 5 4 5 4 5285
    5 6 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 6 6 6 7 6 4960
    6 7 The Little Drummer Boy - The Beverly Sisters 7 8 7 6 9 4645
    12 8 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 8 7 8 11 7 4615
    7 9 Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavour - Lonnie Donegan 9 11 9 8 8 4350
    16 10 Gigi - Billy Eckstine 11 8 16 10 11 4140
    13 11 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 10 10 10 13 10 4080
    9 12 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 12 12 12 9 14 3800
    10 13 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 13 16 13 12 12 3475
    11 14 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 14 13 11 15 16 3390
    17 15 Tomboy - Perry Como 15 14 20 14 15 3190
    22 16 C'mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran 16 15 15 13 2680
    15 17 Problems - The Everly Brothers 17 19 14 17 1885
    NEW 18 Sing Little Birdie - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 18= 22 17 17 1865
    19 19 Manhattan Spiritual - Reg Owen 20 18 1605
    23 20 The Wonderful Secret Of Love - Robert Earl 20 17 19 1530
    14 21 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears 18= 23 18 16 1525
    18 22 Baby Face - Little Richard 24 19 1245
    21 23 The Little Drummer Boy - The Harry Simeone Chorale 21 19 1050
    20 24 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 18 975
    25 25 Donna - Marty Wilde 29 20 810
    RE 26 Donna - Ritchie Valens 18 520
    NEW 27 Ciao Ciao Bambina - Marino Marini 25 450
    24 27 The Day The Rains Came - Jane Morgan 25 450
    RE 29 The Little Drummer Boy - Michael Flanders 20 440
    28 30 Wait For Me / Willingly - Malcolm Vaughan 27 300
    30 I'll Be With You In Apple Blossom Time - Rosemary June 28 225
    26 The World Outside - Russ Conway 30 75
    27 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury
    29 Venus - Dickie Valentime

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  • Robbie
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    'Smoke Gets In Your Eyes' is an excellent song. Great lead vocals by Tony Williams.

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  • Splodj
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    As NME are Mr Maverick (again) it would have been churlish to deny it to them!

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  • MrTibbs
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    It was a close run thing but The Platters ease into #1 this week.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 14th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 14th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 1 2 1 1 1 5925
    1 2 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 2 1 2 3 2 5835
    3 3 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 3 3 3 2 3 5640
    7 4 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 4 4 4 4 4 5400
    8 5 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 7 5 10 7 6 4935
    9 6 The Little Drummer Boy - The Beverly Sisters 5 6 5 5 9 4885
    4 7 Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavour - Lonnie Donegan 6 8 7 6 5 4885
    10 8 My Happiness - Connie Francis 8 9 9 8 7 4560
    6 9 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 10 6 11 9 12 4395
    5 10 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 9 11 6 10 8 4345
    13 11 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 11 10 8 11 13 4030
    14 12 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 12 12 13 14 10 3815
    16 13 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 14 13 16 15 11 3565
    11 14 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears 13 16 12 13 15 3280
    12 15 Problems - The Everly Brothers 15 15 14 12 17 3225
    17 16 Gigi - Billy Eckstine 16 14 15 16 20 2935
    20 17 Tomboy - Perry Como 17 18 17 17 14 2905
    15 18 Baby Face - Little Richard 18 21 19 18 16 2470
    21 19 Manhattan Spiritual - Reg Owen 20= 23 17 1440
    27 20 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 22 19 1395
    18 21 The Little Drummer Boy - The Harry Simeone Chorale 19 18 18 1300
    25 22 C'mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran 20 20 1100
    23 23 The Wonderful Secret Of Love - Robert Earl 20= 17 1050
    19 24 The Day The Rains Came - Jane Morgan 24 19 1005
    NEW 25 Donna - Marty Wilde 29 20 590
    26 26 The World Outside - Russ Conway 25 450
    24 27 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury 26 375
    RE 28 Wait For Me / Willingly - Malcolm Vaughan 27 300
    NEW 29 Venus - Dickie Valentine 28 225
    22 30 I'll Be With You In Apple Blossom Time - Rosemary June 30 75
    28 The Little Drummer Boy - Michael Flanders
    29 Livin' Lovin' Doll - Cliff Richard

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    19 29 It's Only Make Believe - Conway Twitty
    NEW 30 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury

    Did Billy Fury not record It's only make believe, or is that a different song?
    Billy Fury's version is my favourite one. The song suited his voice perfectly. It was made for him.

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  • kjell
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    Billy’s version hit the charts July 64 and climbed to 10.

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  • brian05
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    19 29 It's Only Make Believe - Conway Twitty
    NEW 30 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury

    Did Billy Fury not record It's only make believe, or is that a different song?

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  • Splodj
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    Interesting to see how the Shirls/Platters battle is played out in the UAC. So far it looks like reflecting a Disc-type middle way!

    It may be that sales of the two were close but, after looking at those Gallup figures, alternatively it may be that one or more charts were way out and simply wrong. (In 84 we are coming up to a Phil Collins record that was number one for 4 weeks in MM and I shall be looking to see how close the sales were.) In this case it could be that one of them was a long term number one and the other not at all or for only 1 week - as NME and RM claim.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Numbers 1 and 2 were obviously close sales wise this week.
    Slim Dusty's 'Pub' was really popular and probably the most sung and performed song by all the amateur performers in the pubs and clubs at the time.
    Winifred Atwell must have been seriously p****d off at the time. Russ Conway stole her thunder not only in stand alone piano hits but copied her formula of piano medleys too and swept her aside in 1959.

    I have to express my eternal disappointment that in 1959 the beautiful, haunting, heart wrenching, 'Since I Don't Have You' by The Skyliners was totally ignored over here. It is one of my very favourite records of any era and still blows me away.

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