The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[brian05]

Also 100 Greatest 50s & 60s Hits (Amazon Edition) by Various artists on Amazon Music - Amazon.co.uk for £7.99. Each track can be downloaded for 69p.

[Robbie]

There is also 60s Hits - The Ultimate Collection (250 Original Recordings) by Various artists on Amazon Music - Amazon.co.uk for £5.49 on Amazon. (Each track can be downloaded for 79p). It lasts 10 hours 28 mins and is currently number 42 on Amazon Top 100 best sellers. It has a picture of The Beatles on the front cover and includes Love me do/P.S. I love you.

So 250 tracks for £5.49 is only 2.2p per track - an outstanding bargain.

Good find. It might be part of the same series as all the tracks appear (on first glance) to be from 1960 to 1962 although the label name is different.

[brian05]

The seem to be the only two albums available in this "250 Hits" series. Presumably the extension of copyright put a halt to any future plans.

There is also 60s Hits - The Ultimate Collection (250 Original Recordings) by Various artists on Amazon Music - Amazon.co.uk for £5.49 on Amazon. (Each track can be downloaded for 79p). It lasts 10 hours 28 mins and is currently number 42 on Amazon Top 100 best sellers. It has a picture of The Beatles on the front cover and includes Love me do/P.S. I love you.

So 250 tracks for £5.49 is only 2.2p per track - an outstanding bargain.

[brian05]

But it wasn't in the NME Top 30!

[MrTibbs]

.. and here they come, history in the making as The Beatles make their debut on the chart. An unsuspecting music industry carried on regardless unaware of what was about to be unleashed upon them. Oh 'yeah yeah yeah', bring it on !

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 17th 1962

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 17th 1962								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	110	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Lovesick Blues / She Taught Me How To Yodel -Frank Ifield					1	1	1	1	1	8100
3	2	Let's Dance - Chris Montez					2	2	2	2	2	7830
2	3	Telstar - The Tornados					3	3	3	3	4	7530
5	4	The Swiss Maid - Del Shannon					4	3	4	4	3	7400
6	5	Venus In Blue Jeans - Mark Wynter					5	5	5	5	5	7020
4	6	The Loco-Motion - Little Eva					6	8	6	6	7	6560
12	7	Bobby's Girl - Susan Maughan					7	6	8	8	6	6430
7	8	Sherry - The Four Seasons					8	7	7	7	9	6420
8	9	Ramblin' Rose - Nat King Cole					9	10	9	10	8	5840
11	10	Devil Woman - Marty Robbins					10	9	11	9	12	5630
10	11	Sheila - Tommy Roe					11	13	10	12	10	5330
9	12	It Might As Well Rain Until September - Carole King					12	12	12	11	11	5210
14	13	No One Can Make My Sunshine Smile - The Everly Brothers					13	11	13	13	14	4990
21	14	Sun Arise - Rolf Harris					14	19	16	17	13	3850
18	15	Oh Lonesome Me - Craig Douglas					15	15	18	16	19	3820
13	16	What Now My Love - Shirley Bassey					16	25	14	14	16	3650
26	17	(Dance With The) Guitar Man - Duane Eddy					17	14	23	15	18	3430
17	18	I Remember You - Frank Ifield					18	26	15	19	15	3240
22	19	The 'James Bond' Theme - John Barry					19	20	17	21	21	3220
15	20	You Don't Know Me - Ray Charles					20	23	19	20	17	2930
20	21	Because Of Love - Billy Fury					22	23	20	18	24	2710
28	22	Must Be Madison - Joe Loss					21	18	24	22	20	2590
NEW	23	Love Me Tender - Richard Chamberlain					23	16	25	24	23	2450
16	24	She's Not You - Elvis Presley					24	28	21	23	22	2010
24	25	Kid Galahad (EP) - Elvis Presley					25	17		26		1370
19	26	Lonely - Mr. Acker Bilk					30		22	28	25	1320
25	27	Send Me The Pillow That You Dream On - Johnny Tillotson					26		26	25	28	940
NEW	28	The Main Attraction - Pat Boone					27=	21				800
NEW	29	Love Me Do - The Beatles					29		28	27	29	590
NEW	30	Desafinado - Stan Getz and Charlie Byrd					27=	27		29	27	540
		She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield						22
23		It'll Be Me - Cliff Richard							27			440
		The Pay-Off - Kenny Ball							30		26	260
X		Warmed Over Kisses - Brian Hyland							29		30	250
B		Can Can '62 - Peter Jay and The Jaywalkers						29		30		210
30		It Only Took A Minute - Joe Brown						29				160
X		Limbo Rock - Chubby Checker						29				160
27		It Started All Over Again - Brenda Lee
29		Don't That Beat All - Adam Faith

[MrTibbs]

Those are good buys Robbie. Yeah as with most years 61 and 62 had lots of stuff I came to like too, and before then also I should say.

However my music awareness and awakening happened in 1963 , gradually, then took off with She Loves You by The Beatles. I can actually still remember the thrill it gave me when I first heard it. I got a Dansette record player for Christmas that year and a selection of records from the top twenty around that time, She Loves You among them of course and the Twist And Shout EP. Then with money I got at Christmas I bought I Want To Hold Your Hand. Magical Times

[Robbie]

I keep seeing so many great singles in the 1962 charts that I've just bought a mighty 250 track download called "1962 - 250 Hits". The album was released in 2012 just prior to the extension of copyright on sound recordings not yet in the public domain from 50 years to 70 years. The album is available as a download and is probably still available at amazon as the label which released the album has long ceased trading.

For £7.99 this is a bargain

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

There is a 1961 equivalent, also 250 tracks, which has far too many duds for me but even so, I've just bought it...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The seem to be the only two albums available in this "250 Hits" series. Presumably the extension of copyright put a halt to any future plans.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 10th 1962

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 10th 1962								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	110	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
4	1	Lovesick Blues / She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield					1	1	3	1	1	7880
1	2	Telstar - The Tornados					3	2	1	3	3	7860
2	3	Let's Dance - Chris Montez					2	2	2	2	2	7830
3	4	The Loco-Motion - Little Eva					5	5	4	4	5	7180
9	5	The Swiss Maid - Del Shannon					4	4	5	5	4	7130
5	6	Venus In Blue Jeans - Mark Wynter					6	6	6	6	6	6750
10	7	Sherry - The Four Seasons					7	7	7	7	9	6420
8	8	Ramblin' Rose - Nat King Cole					8=	9	9	8	8	6020
7	9	It Might As Well Rain Until September - Carole King					8=	8	10	9	7	5970
6	10	Sheila - Tommy Roe					10	10	8	10	10	5890
13	11	Devil Woman - Marty Robbins					11	11	11	12	11	5350
15	12	Bobby's Girl - Susan Maughan					12	12	12	11	13	5150
11	13	What Now My Love - Shirley Bassey					13	14	13	13	12	4810
18	14	No One Can Make My Sunshine Smile - The Everly Brothers					14	13	15	14	14	4560
12	15	You Don't Know Me - Ray Charles					15	19	14	15	15	4110
14	16	She's Not You - Elvis Presley					16	16	16	20	17	3820
16	17	I Remember You - Frank Ifield					17	18	17	18	16	3680
23	18	Oh Lonesome Me - Craig Douglas					18	19	20	17	19	3230
17	19	Lonely - Mr. Acker Bilk					20	23	19	19	22	2830
24	20	Because Of Love - Billy Fury					19	24	21	16	18	2800
26	21	Sun Arise - Rolf Harris					21	26	18	21	20	2660
30	22	The 'James Bond' Theme - John Barry					23	21	24	29	24	1880
19	23	It'll Be Me - Cliff Richard					22		22	22	21	1740
25	24	Kid Galahad (EP) - Elvis Presley					24	15		23		1680
22	25	Send Me The Pillow That You Dream On - Johnny Tillotson					25	28	25	24	25	1430
NEW	26	(Dance With The) Guitar Man - Duane Eddy					26	22		25		1020
20	27	It Started All Over Again - Brenda Lee					28=		23		29	940
NEW	28	Must Be Madison - Joe Loss					27	30	28	26	26	810
21	29	Don't That Beat All - Adam Faith							26			550
NEW	30	It Only Took A Minute - Joe Brown						25				480
		She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield						17
		The Pay-Off - Kenny Ball					28=		29		23	460
28		If A Man Answers - Bobby Darin							27			440
X		If Only Tomorrow - Ronnie Carroll						27				320
B		Love Me Do - The Beatles							30	28		260
B		Love Me Tender - Richard Chamberlain					30	30		30	27	250
X		Warmed Over Kisses - Brian Hyland						28				240
X		Ever Since You Said Goodbye - Marty Wilde								27		200
27		Roses Are Red - Ronnie Carroll									28	90
B		A Forever Kind Of Love - Bobby Vee									30	30
29		Reminiscing - Buddy Holly

[Robbie]

Most likely that has been the case in the later decades, as it was reissued in 1991 (in a remixed version) and reached the top 40. But was it really also the better known side in 1962 (meaning that Disc and RR would have both got it very wrong)?

"Lovesick Blues" seems to have been the more popular song internationally in any case, charting in a few European countries and even the US (#44 in Billboard, #50 in Cash Box) where the sides of each single were separated based on airplay. "She Taught Me How to Yodel" doesn't appear to have made the charts in any other country. I prefer the former by far.

I was thinking that perhaps 'She Taught Me How To Yodel' may have been the better known side by the 80s. It's another single my mother owned and I have always been aware of 'Yodel' more than 'Lovesick Blues' so perhaps it was just a personal choice by my mother to play what is the B side. But I can remember hearing 'Yodel' on the radio back in the 70s and 80s so possibly by then the track was gaining in popularity.

[MrTibbs]

Thanks membranemusic. The POTP broadcasts have proved invaluable time and time again when we come across transcript errors. That said I had looked at the earlier BBC transcript rather than the updated version Robin referred to which corrected the error. The updated version is to hand now

[membranemusic]

Re this post and comment:
Here is yet another big omission for your attention on your copies of the BBC charts. Freddie and The Dreamers I'm Telling You Now, is completely missing from 10th August 1963. To me it looks like it should have been placed on the BBC chart as a new entry for that week as the points indicate such, but it was not. Then it is completely absent for the weeks 17th, 24th, and 31st on the transcript. It re-appears on 6th September.
Interesting. "I'm Telling You Now" is missing from the EARLY Dave/Trevor BBC files for Aug 1963, but shows up in the LATER file revisions, at #28, #12, #3, #2.

My notes on the broadcast at the time definitely had this record at #12, #3, #2, so someone must have missed it on the logs at that time, and then revised it....

[setg1]

'She Taught Me How To Yodel' is the much better known side of Frankie Ifield's single.

Most likely that has been the case in the later decades, as it was reissued in 1991 (in a remixed version) and reached the top 40. But was it really also the better known side in 1962 (meaning that Disc and RR would have both got it very wrong)?

"Lovesick Blues" seems to have been the more popular song internationally in any case, charting in a few European countries and even the US (#44 in Billboard, #50 in Cash Box) where the sides of each single were separated based on airplay. "She Taught Me How to Yodel" doesn't appear to have made the charts in any other country. I prefer the former by far.

[MrTibbs]

'She Taught Me How To Yodel' is the much better known side of Frankie Ifield's single. Was it listed as a AA side on Record Retailer? On polyhex.com only 'Lovesick Blues' is listed and I think it may have been the same in the Guinness Book Of British Hit Singles.

NME, as you can see, listed it as split sides and MM also listed it as a double 'A' side. Neither Disc or RR did though both of those just listing Lovesick Blues which I think was the main release side.

[Robbie]

'She Taught Me How To Yodel' is the much better known side of Frankie Ifield's single. Was it listed as a AA side on Record Retailer? On polyhex.com only 'Lovesick Blues' is listed and I think it may have been the same in the Guinness Book Of British Hit Singles.

[MrTibbs]

WOT!! No Beatles this week? One hit wonder?

Don't worry Brian lol, they will be back .. very soon

[brian05]

WOT!! No Beatles this week? One hit wonder?

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 3rd 1962

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 3rd 1962								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	110	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Telstar - The Tornados					1	1	1	1	1	8100
7	2	Let's Dance - Chris Montez					2	2	4	3	2	7560
2	3	The Loco-Motion - Little Eva					3	4	2	4	3	7540
14	4	Lovesick Blues / She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield					4	2	7	2	5	7190
6	5	Venus In Blue Jeans - Mark Wynter					5	5	5	6	4	7000
3	6	Sheila - Tommy Roe					6=	8	3	5	9	6880
4	7	It Might As Well Rain Until September - Carole King					6=	6	6	7	6	6700
5	8	Ramblin' Rose - Nat King Cole					8	9	8	8	7	6160
11	9	The Swiss Maid - Del Shannon					9	7	9	9	8	6130
12	10	Sherry - The Four Seasons					10	10	10	11	11	5590
9	11	What Now My Love - Shirley Bassey					11	11	11	10	13	5390
8	12	You Don't Know Me - Ray Charles					13	13	12	12	14	4990
15	13	Devil Woman - Marty Robbins					12	12	13	13	12	4970
10	14	She's Not You - Elvis Presley					14	14	14	15	10	4660
23	15	Bobby's Girl - Susan Maughan					15	15	18	14	17	3980
16	16	I Remember You - Frank Ifield					16	19	16	17	18	3700
17	17	Lonely - Mr. Acker Bilk					17=	20	17	19	16	3470
26	18	No One Can Make My Sunshine Smile - The Everly Brothers					17=	15	21	16	20	3460
13	19	It'll Be Me - Cliff Richard					19	25	15	18	15	3370
19	20	It Started All Over Again - Brenda Lee					22		19	24	19	2030
18	21	Don't That Beat All - Adam Faith					23		20	21	23	1950
21	22	Send Me The Pillow That You Dream On - Johnny Tillotson					21	22	27	22	21	1910
NEW	23	Oh Lonesome Me - Craig Douglas					20	25	25	23	24	1750
30	24	Because Of Love - Billy Fury					24=	23	28	20	25	1700
NEW	25	Kid Galahad (EP) - Elvis Presley					24=	18		25		1340
NEW	26	Sun Arise - Rolf Harris					27	21	30	26		1160
20	27	Roses Are Red - Ronnie Carroll					26		23		22	1150
22	28	If A Man Answers - Bobby Darin					28=		22		28	1080
25	29	Reminiscing - Buddy Holly					28=		24		26	920
NEW	30	The 'James Bond' Theme - John Barry						23				640
		She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield						17
24		Sealed With A Kiss - Brian Hyland							26		29	610
28		The Pay-Off - Kenny Ball					30	28			27	360
X		Keep Away From Other Girls - Helen Shapiro						27				320
27		Things - Bobby Darin							29			220
X		Ever Since You Said Goodbye - Marty Wilde								27		200
X		If Only Tomorrow - Ronnie Carroll						29				160
X		Warmed Over Kisses - Brian Hyland						29				160
B		Must Be Madison - Joe Loss								28		150
B		Love Me Tender - Richard Chamberlain								29		100
X		Limbo Rock - Chubby Checker								30		50
29		Guitar Tango - The Shadows									30	30

[MrTibbs]

Look who from Liverpool is 'Breaking' this week. Looks like they are about to happen

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 27th 1962

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 27th 1962								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	110	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Telstar - The Tornados					1	1	1	1	1	8100
2	2	The Loco-Motion - Little Eva					2	2	2	2	2	7830
3	3	Sheila - Tommy Roe					3	3	4	3	3	7450
4	4	It Might As Well Rain Until September - Carole King					4	5	3	4	4	7320
6	5	Ramblin' Rose - Nat King Cole					5	4	6	5	5	6990
10	6	Venus In Blue Jeans - Mark Wynter					6	6	5	7	6	6810
13	7	Let's Dance - Chris Montez					7	7	8	6	7	6420
7	8	You Don't Know Me - Ray Charles					9	9	7	10	12	6020
9	9	What Now My Love - Shirley Bassey					8	10	9	9	8	5890
5	10	She's Not You - Elvis Presley					10	13	10	11	9	5410
19	11	The Swiss Maid - Del Shannon					11	11	13	13	10	5110
16	12	Sherry - The Four Seasons					12=	12	12	12	15	5040
8	13	It'll Be Me - Cliff Richard					14	15	11	14	11	4930
NEW	14	Lovesick Blues / She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield					12=	8	19	8	16	4760
21	15	Devil Woman - Marty Robbins					15	14	16	15	13	4350
11	16	I Remember You - Frank Ifield					16	17	14	16	14	4250
15	17	Lonely - Mr. Acker Bilk					17	18	15	17	17	3920
12	18	Don't That Beat All - Adam Faith					18	20	17	18	20	3400
14	19	It Started All Over Again - Brenda Lee					19	21	18	19	18	3220
18	20	Roses Are Red - Ronnie Carroll					20	29	21	22	19	2070
26	21	Send Me The Pillow That You Dream On - Johnny Tillotson					21	22	26	20	26	1970
25	22	If A Man Answers - Bobby Darin					23=	24	24	26	24	1790
29	23	Bobby's Girl - Susan Maughan					22	25	25	23	23	1780
17	24	Sealed With A Kiss - Brian Hyland					25		20	24	25	1740
22	25	Reminiscing - Buddy Holly					23=	28	22	27	21	1730
NEW	26	No One Can Make My Sunshine Smile - The Everly Brothers					27	19		21	30	1490
20	27	Things - Bobby Darin					26		23	25	22	1450
30	28	The Pay-Off - Kenny Ball					28	23			29	700
23	29	Guitar Tango - The Shadows					29		27		27	560
NEW	30	Because Of Love - Billy Fury						26		29		500
		She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield						16
27		Will I What - Mike Sarne							28			330
B		Love Me Do - The Beatles						27				320
B		Oh Lonesome Me - Craig Douglas					30			28	28	240
24		Breaking Up Is Hard To Do - Neil Sedaka							29			220
28		Theme From 'The Man With The Golden Gun' / Some People - Jet Harris							30			110
B		The 'James Bond' Theme - John Barry						30				80
X		Ever Since You Said Goodbye - Marty Wilde								30		50
		B - Will Chart
		X - Won't Chart

[Graham76man]

1972 proved to be a good year for sixties re-issues, off the top of my head it also benefited Little Eva, Mary Wells, Procol Harum, The Drifters, B. Bumble and The Stingers, The Shangri Las, Roy C.

In fact if you look at the 70's label site, (link below) which lists record labels by cat number in order, it becomes clear that record labels were always re-issuing records. Most simply didn't sell enough to make the charts.
https://www.7tt77.co.uk/
1976 was another year they went mad on. Notably when the Beatles singles were re-issued.
In many ways it was just easy money for the record companies since they didn't have any recording costs. Plus they were often used on TV adverts.

[MrTibbs]

The Tornados continue to hold everything at bay, Little Eva will be stopped in her tracks, Cliff realises It Won't Be Him, and in comes Del Shannon with my personal favourite of his, The Swiss Maid, a great pop record.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 20th 1962

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 20th 1962								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	110	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Telstar - The Tornados					1	1	1	1	1	8100
4	2	The Loco-Motion - Little Eva					2	2	3	2	2	7720
2	3	Sheila - Tommy Roe					3	4	2	3	4	7560
5	4	It Might As Well Rain Until September - Carole King					4	3	4	4	3	7400
3	5	She's Not You - Elvis Presley					5	7	5	5	6	6830
11	6	Ramblin' Rose - Nat King Cole					6	5	8	7	7	6530
7	7	You Don't Know Me - Ray Charles					8	6	7	8	10	6420
6	8	It'll Be Me - Cliff Richard					9	9	6	9	9	6270
9	9	What Now My Love - Shirley Bassey					7	10	9	6	5	6130
17	10	Venus In Blue Jeans - Mark Wynter					10	8	11	10	11	5690
8	11	I Remember You - Frank Ifield					11	13	10	11	8	5440
10	12	Don't That Beat All - Adam Faith					12	14	12	12	12	4970
27	13	Let's Dance - Chris Montez					13	11	16	13	13	4690
15	14	It Started All Over Again - Brenda Lee					16	17	13	15	17	4320
19	15	Lonely - Mr. Acker Bilk					14	15	15	16	14	4300
23	16	Sherry - The Four Seasons					15	12	19	14	15	4170
12	17	Sealed With A Kiss - Brian Hyland					19	20	14	19	20	3680
13	18	Roses Are Red - Ronnie Carroll					17	18	17	18	16	3680
NEW	19	The Swiss Maid - Del Shannon					18	16	23	17	19	3140
14	20	Things - Bobby Darin					20	22	18	21	18	3040
29	21	Devil Woman - Marty Robbins					21	19	24	20	21	2580
18	22	Reminiscing - Buddy Holly					22	26	20	22	22	2330
20	23	Guitar Tango - The Shadows					24	24	22	26	25	1980
16	24	Breaking Up Is Hard To Do - Neil Sedaka					23	27	21	25	23	1960
NEW	25	If A Man Answers - Bobby Darin					25	21	29	27	26	1370
NEW	26	Send Me The Pillow That You Dream On - Johnny Tillotson					26	23		24	27	1110
25	27	Will I What - Mike Sarne					27		26	29	24	860
22	28	Theme From ' The Man With The Golden Gun' / Some People - Jet Harris					29		25		29	720
NEW	29	Bobby's Girl - Susan Maughan					28	28		23		640
NEW	30	The Pay-Off - Kenny Ball					30	25				480
21		Speedy Gonzales - Pat Boone							27			440
26		Spanish Harlem - Jimmy Justice							28		30	360
28		Some People - Carol Deene					30			28	28	240
24		Ballad Of Paladin - Duane Eddy						30	30			190
30		Blue Weekend - Karl Denver						29				160
X		He Got What He Wanted - Little Richard								30		50
		B - Will Chart
		X - Won't Chart

[MrTibbs]

1972 proved to be a good year for sixties re-issues, off the top of my head it also benefited Little Eva, Mary Wells, Procol Harum, The Drifters, B. Bumble and The Stingers, The Shangri Las, Roy C.

[MrTibbs]

Hmmmmm I wonder too Woz lol. Or maybe I already know