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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 25th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 25th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Dream Lover - Bobby Darin 1 1 1 1 1 6450
    2 2 The Battle Of New Orleans - Lonnie Donegan 2 2 2 2 2 6235
    5 3 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 3 3 3 3 3 6020
    3 4 A Teenager In Love - Marty Wilde 4 4 4 4 4 5805
    NEW 5 A Big Hunk O' Love - Elvis Presley 5 5 5 9 5 5410
    4 6 Roulette - Russ Conway 6 6 7 5 6 5385
    6 7 Peter Gunn / Yep - Duane Eddy * 7 8 6 6 8 5210
    9 8 Lipstick On Your Collar - Connie Francis 8 7 8 7 7 5125
    7 9 Personality - Anthony Newley 9 9 9 11 9 4640
    10 10 It's Late / Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson 10 12 10 8 10 4455
    12 11 Goodbye Jimmy Goodbye - Ruby Murray 11 11 11 10 13 4225
    11 12 A Fool Such AS I / I Need Your Love Tonight - Elvis Presley 12= 13 14 13 14 3775
    13 13 Poor Jenny / Take A Message To Mary - The Everly Brothers 12= 19 12 12 11 3620
    15 14 Personality - Lloyd Price 15= 10 16 19 17 3480
    8 15 I've Waited So Long - Anthony Newley 15= 14 18 14 16 3395
    16 16 A Teenager In Love - Craig Douglas 17 16 15 18 15 3230
    14 17 Three Stars - Ruby Wright 14 22 13 15 12 3165
    17 18 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 18 15 19 17 19 2970
    18 19 May You Always - Joan Regan 19 18 17 16 20 2800
    NEW 20 The Heart Of A Man - Frankie Vaughan 20 18 1605
    23 21 I Know - Perry Como 20 16 1125
    19 22 Please Don't Touch - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 27 20 795
    25 23 Lonely Boy - Paul Anka 27 20 685
    NEW 24 Why Should I Be Lonely - Tony Brent 24 525
    24 25 Waterloo - Stonewall Jackson 25 450
    NEW 26 La Plume De Ma Tante - Hugo and Luigi 29 150
    27 27 For A Penny - Pat Boone 30 75
    NEW 27 Ragtime Cowboy Joe - The Chipmunks 30 75
    Yep - Duane Eddy (B) 20
    Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson (B) 23
    Take A Letter To Mary - The Everly Brothers (A) 26
    20 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly
    21 A Teenager In Love - Dion and The Belmonts
    22 I Go Ape - Neil Sedaka
    26 The Battle Of New Orleans - Johhny Horton
    27 Endlessly - Brook Benton
    27 May You Always - The McGuire Sisters
    * This week the split side disadvantaged the averaged chart position so an average was taken from the other 3 charts and awarded to NME to give a more representative chart position.

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  • brian05
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    I prefer the Abba song - much better!!

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  • Blondini
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    NEW 24 Waterloo - Stonewall Jackson

    The original version of Abba's 1974 hit?
    no - different song. Covers are not allowed on Eurovision.

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  • brian05
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    NEW 24 Waterloo - Stonewall Jackson

    The original version of Abba's 1974 hit?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 18th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 18th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Dream Lover - Bobby Darin 1 1 1 1 1 6450
    2 2 The Battle Of New Orleans - Lonnie Donegan 2 3 2 2 2 6160
    3 3 A Teenager In Love - Marty Wilde 3 2 3 3 3 6095
    4 4 Roulette - Russ Conway 4= 4 5 4 5 5710
    13 5 Living Doll - Cliff Richard * 4= 5 4 7 4 5595
    6 6 Peter Gunn / Yep - Duane Eddy 6 6 6 8 6 5285
    8 7 Personality - Anthony Newley 7 7 7 9 7 5070
    7 8 I've Waited So Long - Anthony Newley 8 10 9 6 9 4790
    18 9 Lipstick On Your Collar - Connie Francis 9 8 8 13 8 4720
    9 10 It's Late / Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson 10 14 10 5 11 4380
    5 11 A Fool Such As I / I Need Your Love Tonight - Elvis Presley 11 9 13 11 13 4260
    16 12 Goodbye Jimmy Goodbye - Ruby Murray 14 11 16 12 16 3780
    10 13 Poor Jenny / Take A Message To Mary - The Everly Brothers 13 18 12 14 10 3665
    14 14 Three Stars - Ruby Wright 12 20 11 10 12 3610
    11 15 Personality - Lloyd Price 16 12 17 19 15 3415
    12 16 A Teenager In Love - Craig Douglas 15 16 14 16 14 3415
    17 17 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 17 13 19 15 20 3150
    15 18 May You Always - Joan Regan 18 15 15 18 2540
    21 19 Please Don't Touch - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 19 25 18 20 19 2120
    19 20 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 21 17 1380
    RE 21 A Teenager In Love - Dion and The Belmonts 20 20 17 1225
    20 22 I Go Ape - Neil Sedaka 23 18 1185
    24 23 I Know - Perry Como 19 900
    NEW 24 Waterloo - Stonewall Jackson 24 525
    26 25 Lonely Boy - Paul Anka 26 375
    22 26 The Battle Of New Orleans - Johnny Horton 27 300
    28 27 Endlessly - Brook Benton 28 225
    30 27 For A Penny - Pat Boone 28 225
    RE 27 May You Always - The McGuire Sisters 28 225
    Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson (B) 17
    Take A Letter To Mary - The Everly Brothers (A) 22
    23 The Battle Of New Orleans - Glen Mason
    25 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber
    27 Donna - Marty Wilde
    29 Guitar Boogie Shuffle - Bert Weedon
    * BBC chart says 4=, but the points do not support this.

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  • Splodj
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    Yeah I'd say 'RM ahead' and 'Disc behind' have been strong characteristics for some time. And where there is a RM/NME battle MM tends to come down on the RM side - like on the Platters/Bassey fight over number one.
    ​​​

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  • MrTibbs
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    I seem to remember reading somewhere that at least MM and RR were audited at some point in the sixties but I believe it was the system used for compiling rather than the charts themselves that was audited. Also I read too an article about the 'MM girls' sitting with sacks of returns and adding machines to compile the charts.

    I think it highly unlikely in the fifties or even the sixties that any double check was made on the compiled chart. This was already an onerous and time consuming task to meet print deadlines so there would be no time allocated to this.

    I don't think the BBC was alone in regular errors. I think all the papers made errors too highlighted I think by an individual chart being way out of sync with the others. The shops themselves in the midst of a busy day would also likely omit or miscalculate sales affecting the return result to the papers. So lots of potential for mistakes in the chart compilation chain.

    That is why averaging at least helps balance this.

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  • braindeadpj
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

    Week on week you are analysing and picking up on more and more BBC errors. It's unusual now to have a fully accurate week.
    It makes me wonder whether similar errors in addition may have been made in the compiling of the other charts. I think the BBC may have considered it more of a 'fun exercise' (certainly initially, perhaps less so as we get further into the '60s and more 'rules' are created - though of course omitting one of the charts frequently - ironically the 'offical' one - due to deadlines does query their seriousness over it) so may not have taken a lot of care over it. The papers may have taken it more seriously.... Were checks performed on the additions for the totals in the compiling of the other charts? We would hope so as errors are easy to make.... I forget what has already been said about this. In today's age with easy access to spreadhseets, calculators etc it can be difficult for some to comprehend that they would've had to calculate it in their head, or use pen and paper or perhaps a counting machine...
    In 1969 the BMRB 'computerized' it but what about before...Addition errors could explain some (but I don't think in anyway all) the discrepancies between the charts. Though it is more likely that sample size has a lot to do with the discrepancies as in general the smaller the sample the less representative of the whole it is..

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    Big entry for Cliff.

    NEW 13 Living Doll - Cliff Richard

    but no. 10 in RM and only no. 19 in Disc.
    Yeah as Splodj has highlighted on a number of occasions RM is often ahead of the game at this time with the big hits and Cliff is another example.

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  • brian05
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    Big entry for Cliff.

    NEW 13 Living Doll - Cliff Richard

    but no. 10 in RM and only no. 19 in Disc.

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    It looks like they instigated their no. 20 rule this time around also as Cliff is equal with Johnny Horton at 20 on points, but Johnny Horton is a new entry to the Top 20 and so 'wins' the tie...
    That would make sense as we are nearing the example week that accompanied the rule explanation.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Only Bobby's Darin's excellent Dream Lover stops Lonnie in his tracks and prevents him reaching #1 with his best for ages.
    Johnny Horton and Glen Mason are there too doing battle and joining in but they were defeated early on

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 11th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 11th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Dream Lover - Bobby Darin 1 1 1 1 1 6450
    3 2 The Battle Of New Orleans - Lonnie Donegan 2 3 2 2 2 6160
    4 3 A Teenager In Love - Marty Wilde 3 2 3 6 3 5960
    2 4 Roulette - Russ Conway 4 4 4 4 4 5805
    5 5 A Fool Such As I / I Need Your Love Tonight - Elvis Presley 5 5 5 3 5 5680
    7 6 Peter Gunn / Yep - Duane Eddy 6 6 6 8 7 5225
    6 7 I've Waited So Long - Anthony Newley 7 8 9 10 6 4940
    8 8 Personality - Anthony Newley 8 7 7 12 8 4875
    9 9 It's Late / Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson 9 11 8 9 9 4615
    12 10 Poor Jenny / Take A Message To Mary - The Everly Brothers 10 14 13 5 13 4155
    11 11 Personality - Lloyd Price 12= 9 17 11 14 4060
    19 12 A Teenager In Love - Craig Douglas 12= 16 11 13 11 3835
    NEW 13 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 14 15 12 19 10 3665
    14 14 Three Stars - Ruby Wright 11 22 10 7 12 3630
    15 15 May You Always - Joan Regan 15 13 14 17 15 3535
    16 16 Goodbye Jimmy Goodbye - Ruby Murray 16= 10 19 14 20 3420
    10 17 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 16= 12 16 18 17 3375
    27 18 Lipstick On Your Collar - Connie Francis 18 17 18 15 16 3125
    13 19 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 19 18 20 16 18 2815
    17 20 I Go Ape - Neil Sedaka 21 20 1245
    RE 21 Please Don't Touch - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 19 720
    21 22 The Battle Of New Orleans - Johnny Horton 23 600
    NEW 23 The Battle Of New Orleans - Glen Mason 20 15 560
    NEW 24 I Know - Perry Como 24 525
    24 25 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 25 450
    NEW 26 Lonely Boy - Paul Anka 26 375
    25 27 Donna - Marty Wilde 27 300
    NEW 28 Endlessly - Brook Benton 28 225
    18 29 Guitar Boogie Shuffle - Bert Weedon 29 150
    22 30 For A Penny - Pat Boone 30 75
    Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson (B) 19
    Take A Message To Mary - The Everly Brothers (A) 20
    20 Mean Streak / Never Mind - Cliff Richard
    23 A Teenager In Love - Dion and The Belmonts
    26 May You Always - The McGuire Sisters
    28 Kansas City - Little Richard

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    So the store count for MM (to 35) and Disc (to 45) has been increased for the 2nd half of the year.
    Again, there appears to be an error in the BBC Chart as Guitar Boogie Shuffle is at 18 pointswise and not equal 17. It looks like they instigated their no. 20 rule this time around also as Cliff is equal with Johnny Horton at 20 on points, but Johnny Horton is a new entry to the Top 20 and so 'wins' the tie...
    Yeah David it is again the gradual increase in store returns throughout the fifties to lead into the 1960 figures.

    Week on week you are analysing and picking up on more and more BBC errors. It's unusual now to have a fully accurate week.

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  • braindeadpj
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    So the store count for MM (to 35) and Disc (to 45) has been increased for the 2nd half of the year.
    Again, there appears to be an error in the BBC Chart as Guitar Boogie Shuffle is at 18 pointswise and not equal 17. It looks like they instigated their no. 20 rule this time around also as Cliff is equal with Johnny Horton at 20 on points, but Johnny Horton is a new entry to the Top 20 and so 'wins' the tie...

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    NEW 27 Lipstick On Your Collar - Connie Francis

    A favourite of mine.

    (Needless to say I would not have been caught out in that manner).
    It always irked me that Connie Francis did not release more singles of original songs rather than covers as she excelled when she did. Stupid Cupid and Lipstick are two examples. Instead we got cover after cover, Who's Sorry Now, I'm Sorry I Made You Cry, I'll Get By, You Always Hurt The One You Love, My Happiness, and on and on.

    A great shame as this greatly reduced her credibility as a performer of original songs.

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  • brian05
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    NEW 27 Lipstick On Your Collar - Connie Francis

    A favourite of mine.

    (Needless to say I would not have been caught out in that manner).

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  • Splodj
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    So RM again were first to identify the new number one, this time with MM, and now all agreed.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 4th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 4th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Dream Lover - Bobby Darin 1 1 1 1 1 6450
    1 2 Roulette - Russ Conway 2 2 2 2 2 6235
    8 3 The Battle Of New Orleans - Lonnie Donegan 3 4 3 3 3 5945
    3 4 A Teenager In Love - Marty Wilde 4 3 4 4 4 5880
    4 5 A Fool Such As I / I Need Your Love Tonight - Elvis Presley 5 5 5 5 5 5590
    6 6 I've Waited So Long - Anthony Newley 6 7 7 7 6 5220
    9 7 Peter Gunn / Yep - Duane Eddy 7 8 6 10 7 4985
    11 8 Personality - Anthony Newley 8= 6 8 13 8 4870
    5 9 It's Late / Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson 8= 11 9 6 9 4715
    10 10 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 10 9 11 12 13 4285
    15 11 Personality - Lloyd Price 13 10 13 15 12 4065
    14 12 Poor Jenny / Take A Message To Mary - The Everly Brothers 12 15 14 9 11 3985
    7 13 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 14 13 12 11 15 3875
    12 14 Three Stars - Ruby Wright 11 20 10 8 10 3855
    19 15 May You Always - Joan Regan 15 12 15 18 14 3590
    18 16 Goodbye Jimmy Goodbye - Ruby Murray 16 14 17 16 18 3220
    20 17 I Go Ape - Neil Sedaka 17= 17 20 14 19 2920
    13 18 Guitar Boogie Shuffle - Bert Weedon 17= 18 16 20 17 2835
    16 19 A Teenager In Love - Craig Douglas 19 20 19 17 16 2775
    17 20 Mean Streak / Never Mind - Cliff Richard 27 18 19 1295
    21 21 The Battle Of New Orleans - Johnny Horton 20 16 1125
    28 22 For A Penny - Pat Boone 19 900
    28 23 A Teenager In Love - Dion and The Belmonts 28 20 885
    23 24 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 23 600
    25 25 Donna - Marty Wilde 25 450
    24 26 May You Always - The McGuire Sisters 26 375
    NEW 27 Lipstick On Your Collar - Connie Francis 28 225
    27 28 Kansas City - Little Richard 30 75
    Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson (B) 22
    Take A Letter To Mary - The Everly Brothers (A) 24
    22 Come Softly To Me - Frankie Vaughan and The Kaye Sisters
    26 Please Don't Touch - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates
    28 Margo Don't Go - Billy Fury

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    Pat Boone is actually a re-entry on the 27th June chart.
    Corrected

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  • braindeadpj
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    Pat Boone is actually a re-entry on the 27th June chart.
    Also there are again errors in the BBC chart. Pointwise, Lloyd Price (Personality) and Ruby Murray (Goodbye Jimmy Goodbye) are actually equal 18 (not 17 for Lloyd Price).

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
    Lonnie enters here with a new song that was recorded and issued with a swear word in it - and then re-edited to remove it. If you listen carefully the echo is still presented the overdub can be heard. Bear Family issued a set of all his studio recordings in about 1990 or so and they isolated the backing track to demo this.

    Initial lyric
    we fought the ruddy British

    The overdub is
    we fought the bloomin' British
    I think this was Lonnie's best single for a couple of years. It went top three for weeks. Johnny Horton's US smash version will chart too but never was a threat to Lonnie over here.

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  • Splodj
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    And 'ruddy' was itself a toning down from 'bloody' in the Jimmy Driftwood original.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Lonnie enters here with a new song that was recorded and issued with a swear word in it - and then re-edited to remove it. If you listen carefully the echo is still presented the overdub can be heard. Bear Family issued a set of all his studio recordings in about 1990 or so and they isolated the backing track to demo this.

    Initial lyric
    we fought the ruddy British

    The overdub is
    we fought the bloomin' British

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 27th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 27th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Roulette - Russ Conway 1= 1 2 1 2 5915
    3 2 Dream Lover - Bobby Darin 1= 2 1 2 1 5885
    5 3 A Teenager In Love - Marty Wilde 3 3 3 5 3 5520
    2 4 A Fool Such As I / I Need Your Love Tonight - Elvis Presley 4 4 4 4 4 5400
    4 5 It's Late / Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson * 5 9 5 3 5 5333
    6 6 I've Waited So Long - Anthony Newley 6 5 6 6 7 5015
    7 7 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 7 8 7 7 9 4605
    NEW 8 The Battle Of New Orleans - Lonnie Donegan 8 7 8 13 6 4595
    13 9 Peter Gunn / Yep - Duane Eddy 9 10 9 12 8 4265
    8 10 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 10 6 11 10 14 4235
    20 11 Personality - Anthony Newley 12 11 15 15 12 3680
    14 12 Three Stars - Ruby Wright 11 19 10 8 10 3605
    9 13 Guitar Boogie Shuffle - Bert Weedon 14 16 16 16 13 3180
    15 14 Poor Jenny / Take A Message To Mary - The Everly Brothers 13 21 17 9 11 3180
    17 15 Personality - Lloyd Price 17= 12 20 19 15 3140
    19 16 A Teenager In Love - Craig Douglas 15 15 12 20 16 3015
    10 17 Mean Streak / Never Mind - Cliff Richard 17= 17 13 17 18 2840
    16 18 Goodbye Jimmy Goodbye - Ruby Murray 19 14 11 20 2735
    12 19 May You Always - Joan Regan 16 12 14 17 2690
    11 20 I Go Ape - Neil Sedaka 20 20 18 14 19 2550
    NEW 21 The Battle Of New Orleans - Johnny Horton 21 750
    21 22 Come Softly To Me - Frankie Vaughan and The Kaye Sisters 25 19 750
    22 23 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 23 600
    25 24 May You Always - The McGuire Sisters 24 525
    18 25 Donna - Marty Wilde 18 520
    24 26 Please Don't Touch - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 26 375
    27 27 Kansas City - Little Richard 27 300
    RE 28 For A Penny - Pat Boone 28 225
    NEW 28 A Teenager In Love - Dion and The Belmonts 28 225
    NEW 28 Margo Don't Go - Billy Fury 28 225
    Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson (B) 18
    23 Where Were You On Our Wedding Day - Lloyd Price
    26 Venus - Dickie Valentine
    28 Margie - Fats Domino
    * This week the split side disadvantaged the averaged chart position so an average was taken from the other 3 charts and awarded to NME to give a more representative chart position.

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