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  • Just to let you know that Dave Taylor told me that he thought The Real Chart was very accurate and that he had even found evidence that the Official Charts Company were fiddling the charts. And that was the recent charts a few years before he died.

    As for the charts looking like one another in the top ten. Well you would expect that anyway. There's articles in all the papers done at the time saying that all the shops were stocking was the top 50. And I have seen numerous comments from people asking for a record only to be told it wasn't in the top 50 so we don't have it in stock.
    I wouldn't be at all surprised that if you put 30 points for the top record and 1 point for 30 for each three of the charts, you would get the same results in the top ten.
    Even the Real Chart is not that much different. With the exception of big sellers that are either in the other charts lower down or have been featured on top rated TV shows that week (not always TOTP). Records such as the Kinks at 17. And Edison Lighthouse already at 29 and Judy Collins at 30. No sign of them being in either of the 30's.

    If Mr Tibbs wanted to make these charts really good, he would have done his own research like asking people who worked at the papers about the weekly charts. Rather than rely on the work of others collecting general information on the operation of the charts. Making a house of cards at the expense of others opens one to attack. And for all those that defend you, there's an army of those that don't ready to pounce. And if you think I'm the only one Mr Tibbs you are
    Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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    • Greetings Pop Pickers

      Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 24th 1970

      Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 24th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 125 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
      1 1 Two Little Boys - Rolf Harris 1 1 1 17250
      4 2 All I Have To Do Is Dream - Bobbie Gentry and Glen Campbell 3 3 4 15975
      5 3 Ruby Don't Take Your Love To Town - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 6 2 2 15875
      2 4 Tracy - The Cuff Links 2 5 5 15550
      9 5 Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 5 4 3 15450
      6 6 Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley 4 6 6 14775
      17 7 Come And Get It - Badfinger 7 7 8 13675
      3 8 Melting Pot - Blue Mink 8 8 10 12975
      8 9 Good Old Rock'n'Roll - The Dave Clark Five 9 10 7 12650
      18 10 Friends - Arrival 10 9 11 12200
      7 11 Sugar Sugar - The Archies 11 11 9 11750
      16 12 Someday We'll Be Together - Diana Ross and The Supremes 12 12 14 10675
      12 13 Leavin' (Durham Town) - Roger Whittaker 14 13 19 9400
      11 14 Without Love - Tom Jones 13 15 17 9350
      NEW 15 Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) - Edison Lighthouse 15 16 12 9325
      14 16 The Liquidator - Harry J All Stars 16 14 15 9250
      21 17 Comin' Home - Delaney and Bonnie and Friends 18 17 16 7975
      10 18 Yester-Me Yester-You Yesterday - Stevie Wonder 17 18 24 6925
      NEW 19 Leaving On A Jet Plane - Peter Paul and Mary 24 19 13 6650
      20 20 But You Love Me Daddy / Snowflake - Jim Reeves 20 22 18 6075
      15 21 Winter World Of Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 21 21 22 5625
      NEW 22 I'm A Man - Chicago 22 23 20 5175
      13 23 The Onion Song - Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell 26 20 28 4125
      28 24 She Sold Me Magic - Lou Christie 26 24 25 3500
      NEW 25 Wedding Bell Blues - The Fifth Dimension 19 27 3400
      NEW 26 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations 22 28 26 3175
      19 27 Green River - Creedence Clearwater Revival 25 25 2700
      NEW 28 Hitchin' A Ride - Vanity Fare 29 29 23 1900
      NEW 29 Let It All Hang Out - Jonathan King 28 26 1850
      23 30 If I Thought You'd Ever Change Your Mind - Cilla Black 30 21 1500
      29 Seventh Son - Georgie Fame 27 500
      X Good Morning Leapy Lee 29 250
      B Both Sides Now - Judy Collins 30 200
      B The Witch's Promise / Teacher- Jethro Tull 30 125
      22 (Call Me) Number One - The Tremeloes
      24 With The Eyes Of A Child - Cliff Richard
      25 The Highway Song - Nancy Sinatra
      26 Loneliness - Des O'Connor
      27 Love Is All - Malcolm Roberst
      30 Something / Come Together - The Beatles
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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      • All 1970 to March 20th 1971 have been compiled and I'm now back working on the final phase of the original project, the actual UAC, April 1956 through 1959. It great to back back working on an actual chart rather than the '69 to '71 'fun' charts and I can say already these early years are shaping up nicely. You will have a Top 25 for 7th April 1956 then a full Top 30 from 14th April onwards.
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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        • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
          But I think it is only fair to say that the other two charts must have seen which way the wind was blowing by now overall. In particular they would have been disheartened by BMRB being the first to identify new number ones. NME had lost its crown as the fastest, and MM was now the slackard.
          That said MM would be encouraged by the fact that most national newspapers were still carrying their chart therefore giving it continued national weight as the chart of choice. Similarly NME still had a healthy following and still the biggest selling weekly music paper so still giving their chart a healthy following. So as yet although gaining on them I don't think the BMRB chart was yet installed as the main chart of choice. Certainly by 1971 it was, as the panel of contributing shop diaries was much healthier and therefore a more robust chart was being compiled.
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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          • Does anyone have a record that shouid have been a hit in 1969 but wasn't?

            I'm a bit surprised about Peggy Lee's 'Is that all there is?'.

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            • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
              Does anyone have a record that shouid have been a hit in 1969 but wasn't?

              I'm a bit surprised about Peggy Lee's 'Is that all there is?'.
              Oh yeah, Peggy Lee should have scored with that.. while the likes of Rolf Harris, Karen Young, Des O' Connor etc stole chart places from others more worthy, such as

              Sammy Davis Jnr, I've Gotta Be Me
              Blood Sweat And Tears, And When I Die
              Classics IV, Traces
              Zombies, Time Of The Season

              To name but a few criminally overlooked
              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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              • Greetings Pop Pickers

                Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 31st 1970

                Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 31st 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 125 Points
                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                5 1 Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 1 1 3 17000
                1 2 Two Little Boys - Rolf Harris 2 2 2 16675
                15 3 Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) - Edison Lighthouse 3 3 1 16350
                7 4 Come And Get It - Badfinger 4 4 4 15525
                10 5 Friends - Arrival 5 5 8 14575
                2 6 All I Have To Do Is Dream - Bobbie Gentry and Glen Campbell 6 7 5 14250
                3 7 Ruby Don't Take Your Love To Town - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 8 5 7 14100
                4 8 Tracy - The Cuff Links 7 8 11 13050
                6 9 Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley 9 9 6 13025
                19 10 Leaving On A Jet Plane - Peter Paul and Mary 11 10 9 12000
                9 11 Good Old Rock'n'Roll - The Dave Clark Five 12 11 13 11050
                12 12 Someday We'll Be Together - Diana Ross and The Supremes 10 12 15 10950
                22 13 I'm A Man - Chicago 13 15 12 9975
                8 14 Melting Pot - Blue Mink 14 13 16 9775
                11 15 Sugar Sugar - The Archies 15 14 14 9575
                NEW 16 The Witch's Promise / Teacher - Jethro Tull 16 21 10 8125
                16 17 The Liquidator - Harry J All Stars 18 16 17 8100
                26 18 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations 17 17 20 7675
                17 19 Comin' Home - Delaney and Bonnie and Friends 19 18 21 6900
                13 20 Leavin' (Durham Town) - Roger Whittaker 24 20 18 5775
                25 21 Wedding Bell Blues - The Fifth Dimension 21 19 25 5750
                20 22 But You Love Me Daddy / Snowflake - Jim Reeves 23 23 19 5100
                14 23 Without Love - Tom Jones 22 22 24 4925
                28 24 Hitchin' A Ride - Vanity Fare 20 25 23 4700
                29 25 Let It All Hang Out - Jonathan King 24 24 26 3775
                24 26 She Sold Me Magic - Lou Christie 30 26 27 1950
                NEW 27 Venus - Shocking Blue 26 28 30 1875
                NEW 28 Let's Work Together - Canned Heat 26 29 1250
                NEW 29 Both Sides Now - Judy Collins 28 30 28 1225
                NEW 30 Temma Harbour - Mary Hopkin 22 1125
                18 Yester-Me Yester-You Yesterday - Stevie Wonder 28 29 1100
                B Just A Little Misunderstanding - The Contours 27 1000
                21 Winter World Of Love - Engelbert Humperdinck
                23 The Onion Song - Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
                27 Green River - Creedence Clearwater Revival
                30 If I Thought You'd Ever Change Your Mind - Cilla Black
                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                • Three outstanding new entries again this week from Jethro Tull, Shocking Blue, and the wonderful bluesy pounding Let's Work Together from Canned Heat, needless to say I bought all three
                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                  • BMRB again the first to identify the next undisputed number one. MM has a tie at 5.

                    Re misses in 1969, 'Sweet Caroline' had been released in July!
                    Last edited by Splodj; Sat July 17, 2021, 12:24.

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                    • I've always liked 'Both Sides Now' by Judy Collins. I knew it before the Joni Mitchell original and whille it's a bit more lightweight than Joni's song it's still good.

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                      • Greetings Pop Pickers

                        Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 7th 1970

                        Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 7th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 125 Points
                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                        3 1 Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) - Edison Lighthouse 1 1 1 17250
                        1 2 Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 2 2 3 16550
                        4 3 Come And Get It - Badfinger 3 4 5 15600
                        10 4 Leaving On A Jet Plane - Peter Paul and Mary 6 3 4 15375
                        2 5 Two Little Boys - Rolf Harris 4 6 2 15275
                        5 6 Friends - Arrival 5 5 9 14450
                        16 7 The Witch's Promise / Teacher - Jethro Tull 7 7 6 13925
                        7 8 Ruby Don't Take Your Love To Town - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 9 8 7 13150
                        13 9 I'm A Man - Chicago 8 9 8 12975
                        6 10 All I Have To Do Is Dream - Bobbie Gentry and Glen Campbell 10 10 11 11950
                        8 11 Tracy - The Cuff Links 11 12 14 10875
                        9 12 Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley 14 11 12 10775
                        18 13 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations 13 13 13 10350
                        12 14 Someday We'll Be Together - Diana Ross and The Supremes 12 14 17 9800
                        30 15 Temma Harbour - Mary Hopkin 15 16 10 9575
                        11 16 Good Old Rock'n'Roll - The Dave Clark Five 17 15 18 8425
                        28 17 Let's Work Together - Canned Heat 16 21 15 7500
                        29 18 Both Sides Now - Judy Collins 18 19 25 6350
                        24 19 Hitchin' A Ride - Vanity Fare 20 23 16 6075
                        27 20 Venus - Shocking Blue 19 22 21 5900
                        21 21 Wedding Bell Blues - The Fifth Dimension 21 17 28 5875
                        14 22 Melting Pot - Blue Mink 24 20 22 5275
                        15 23 Sugar Sugar - The Archies 23 24 19 4850
                        17 24 The Liquidator - Harry J All Stars 18 20 4625
                        25 25 Let It All Hang Out - Jonathan King 25 25 27 3200
                        NEW 26 I Want You Back - The Jackson Five 22 29 30 2425
                        19 27 Comin' Home - Delaney and Bonnie and Friends 26 23 2250
                        20 28 Leavin' (Durham Town) - Roger Whittaker 28 27 26 2225
                        NEW 29 Just A Little Misunderstanding - The Contours 26 28 1750
                        22 30 But You Love Me Daddy / Snowflake - Jim Reeves 29 30 24 1525
                        23 Without Love - Tom Jones 27 29 1050
                        X Girlie - The Peddlers 29 400
                        26 She Sold Me Magic - Lou Christie
                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                        • Did the NME have something against Chelsea? 'The Liquidator' suddenly falls out their chart while still in the other Top 20s.

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                          • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                            Did the NME have something against Chelsea? 'The Liquidator' suddenly falls out their chart while still in the other Top 20s.
                            Yeah another of those inexplicable anomalies where a record is high in two charts yet misses out on the third completely.
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                            • 'Just A Little Misunderstanding' by The Contours is co-written by Stevie Wonder and dates back to 1966. It started life as the B side to a Smokey Robinson penned A side titled 'Determination'. It was the latest in a long line of Motown tracks to be re-released in this period. When did Northern Soul begin to take off? This is the sort of track that would have been big on the scene. It's an excellent track that just missed the BMRB top 30 (it peaked at #31).

                              It's an important week for Motown as latest singing stars The Jackson 5 enter with 'I Want You Back'. It's still a great song.

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                              • 'Two Little Boys' staying up at 2 in BMRB looks a bit odd; it goes to 7 next week.

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                                • .. and it will stay longer in the BMRB top thirty longer than NME or MM.
                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                  • The Northern scene is well represented around this time with a number of Northern discs making the chart. The Tams are just outside the chart too with Be Young Be Foolish Be Happy, massive in the Northern clubs.
                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                    • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                      Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 14th 1970

                                      Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 14th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 125 Points
                                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                      1 1 Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) - Edison Lighthouse 1 1 1 17250
                                      4 2 Leaving On A Jet Plane - Peter Paul and Mary 2 2 2 16675
                                      7 3 The Witch's Promise / Teacher - Jethro Tull 3 4 4 15725
                                      2 4 Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 5 3 6 15325
                                      3 5 Come And Get It - Badfinger 4 5 5 15150
                                      15 6 Temma Harbour - Mary Hopkin 6 7 8 13875
                                      9 7 I'm A Man - Chicago 8 6 9 13600
                                      5 8 Two Little Boys - Rolf Harris 7 8 7 13550
                                      17 9 Let's Work Together - Canned Heat 10 10 3 12950
                                      6 10 Friends - Arrival 9 9 11 12400
                                      20 11 Venus - Shocking Blue 12 11 10 11425
                                      13 12 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations 11 13 14 10625
                                      8 13 Ruby Don't Take Your Love To Town - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 13 12 13 10600
                                      26 14 I Want You Back - The Jackson Five 14 14 12 10025
                                      10 15 All I Have To Do Is Dream - Bobbie Gentry and Glen Campbell 15 16 15 8950
                                      14 16 Someday We'll Be Together - Diana Ross and The Supremes 17 17 19 7800
                                      19 17 Hitchin' A Ride - Vanity Fare 16 18 20 7625
                                      18 18 Both Sides Now - Judy Collins 18 15 23 7600
                                      12 19 Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley 21 19 17 6750
                                      11 20 Tracy - The Cuff Links 18 20 21 6600
                                      21 21 Wedding Bell Blues - The Fifth Dimension 23 21 16 5975
                                      NEW 22 Wand'rin Star - Lee Marvin 20 24 18 5575
                                      NEW 23 My Baby Loves Lovin' - White Plains 22 29 22 3425
                                      16 24 Good Old Rock'n' Roll - The Dave Clark Five 27 23 27 3300
                                      29 25 Just A Little Misunderstanding - The Contours 24 25 2900
                                      25 26 Let It All Hang Out - Jonathan King 30 22 29 2700
                                      24 27 The Liquidator - Harry J All Stars 26 25 2000
                                      NEW 28 Elizabethan Reggae - Boris Gardner 25 28 1950
                                      NEW 29 Years May Come Years May Go - Herman's Hermits 26 24 1875
                                      22 30 Melting Pot - Blue Mink 27 28 1375
                                      23 Sugar Sugar - The Archies 26 625
                                      B Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye - Steam 28 600
                                      B United We Stand - The Brotherhood Of Man 29 400
                                      X Girlie - The Peddlers 30 250
                                      30 But You Love Me Daddy / Snowflake - Jim Reeves 30 125
                                      27 Comin' Home - Delaney and Bonnie and Friends
                                      28 Leavin' (Durham Town) - Roger Whittaker
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                      • Most charts places between the different charts are mostly just a few places out but BMRB are way out on a limb with Canned Heat at #3 and at #10 on both others.
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                        • ^
                                          Looking at its BMRB chart run in the next couple of weeks, the single did have impetus behind it. Maybe sales between numbers 3 to 10 were close that week. There had been no TOTP performance the previous week to propel last minute sales (the song had appeared on TOTP on 29/01/70 though).

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                                          • I don't see anything strange about BMRB putting Canned Heat at number 3. It is just showing its normal characteristic of being ahead of the game. Let's see what NME & MM do next week. Similarly BMRB alone put Temma Harbour in the Top 10 last week, this week the others have caught up.

                                            I think the most predictable difference of a sales chart was fewer number ones. (It is easy to see how a points system produces more number ones through its levelling effect - awarding the best seller in each store only one more point than the runner up even if sales are double.) The faster speed of a sales chart was less predictable, in my view.

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                                            • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                              I don't see anything strange about BMRB putting Canned Heat at number 3. It is just showing its normal characteristic of being ahead of the game. Let's see what NME & MM do next week. Similarly BMRB alone put Temma Harbour in the Top 10 last week, this week the others have caught up.

                                              I think the most predictable difference of a sales chart was fewer number ones. (It is easy to see how a points system produces more number ones through its levelling effect - awarding the best seller in each store only one more point than the runner up even if sales are double.) The faster speed of a sales chart was less predictable, in my view.
                                              Try a play of Canned Heat on the Thursday 12th February 1970 Top of The Pops that should see it jumping up the chart.
                                              As I have said before the BMRB is much more responsive to TOTP then the other two charts.
                                              Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                              • The TOTP appearance on Thursday 12 February wouldn't have any effect on the chart until the following week (chart dated 21/02/70). The record had featured on TOTP 2 weeks earlier (29/01/70) and the following week the record moved 29-15.

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                                                • Tony Burrows is already singing on #1 and #23 but next week a third record will appear featuring him singing on that too. I gotta own up to loving all three
                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                                  • When 'Lets Work Together' raced up the chart it would have been put on high rotation at Radio 1 which had huge audiences then.

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