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  • Strangely though both MM and NME are ahead of the game with Norman Greenbaum, they have it at #3 and BMRB at #5.
    Tom Jones will go top ten with Daughter Of Darkness but then have to wait until late 1971 before he reaches the top ten again. His next few releases will make the top twenty and peak in the middle ten.

    Polly Brown lead singer with Pickettywitch was a hugely undervalued singer. She was worthy of so much more popularity than she achieved but I loved all the Pickettywitch singles showcasing her voice.

    Creedence are spot on with Travellin' Band, and I bought the Steam single months before it charted here.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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    • One handicap of using other people's chart to make up a chart is that you don't get the records that these charts missed out on. Many of them having a great deal of exposure in the music press or on TV. For example At 21 that week was Elton John - Border Song. And at 20 Slade - Shape of Things to Come. Both of these were all over the TV and they didn't go near any other chart.
      The next week's chart will see Alan Freeman's chart show tune enter again. But it will not get any higher than 78 spending five weeks in the 100. I suppose the reason it never sells big is that although people know the tune from his chart show, nobody knew what to ask for!
      I suspect that many would recognise it, but asked to name what it was called, they wouldn't have a clue.
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      • The origin of the tune's name is rather rude ...
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        • Greetings Pop Pickers

          Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 25th 1970

          Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 25th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 125 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
          3 1 Spirit In The Sky - Norman Greenbaum 1 1 2 17125
          2 2 All Kinds Of Everything - Dana 2 3 1 16550
          1 3 Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon and Garfunkel 3 2 3 16350
          4 4 Can't Help Falling In Love - Andy Williams 4 5 4 15275
          7 5 Gimme Dat Ding - The Pipkins 5 4 6 15075
          5 6 Knock Knock Who's There - Mary Hopkin 6 6 5 14500
          6 7 Young Gifted And Black - Bob and Marcia 7 7 7 13800
          12 8 Farewell Is A Lonely Sound - Jimmy Ruffin 9 8 9 12900
          16 9 Never Had A Dream Come True - Stevie Wonder 8 10 8 12725
          13 10 When Julie Comes Around - The Cuff Links 10 9 12 12075
          11 11 I Can't Help Myself - The Four Tops 11 11 11 11500
          19 12 Travellin' Band - Creedence Clearwater Revival 12 12 15 10550
          17 13 Good Morning Freedom - Blue Mink 13 16 10 9975
          8 14 Wand'rin Star - Lee Marvin 14 15 13 9650
          9 15 Something's Burning - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 16 13 18 9125
          15 16 Who Do You Love - Juicy Lucy 17 14 20 8425
          10 17 That Same Old Feeling - Pickettywitch 15 17 19 8200
          23 18 House Of The Rising Sun - Frijid Pink 18 18 14 7975
          26 19 Rag Mama Rag - The Band 20 19 16 7075
          18 20 You're Such A Good Looking Woman - Joe Dolan 23 21 21 5350
          NEW 21 Back Home - The England World Cup Squad '70 21 22 23 5250
          30 22 Daughter Of Darkness - Tom Jones 24 23 17 5150
          14 23 Let It Be - The Beatles 26 20 26 4375
          29 24 The Seeker - The Who 21 25 28 3875
          28 25 Do The Funky Chicken - Rufus Thomas 19 28 30 3275
          20 26 Don't Cry Daddy - Elvis Presley 28 24 25 3100
          NEW 27 I Don't Believe In If Anymore - Roger Whittaker 27 29 22 2425
          24 28 Govinda - The Radha Krishna Temple 30 27 24 2075
          21 29 Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye - Steam 26 29 1500
          NEW 30 I've Got You On My Mind - White Plains 25 30 1450
          B I Can't tell The Bottom From The Top - The Hollies 27 500
          B Brontosaurus - The Move 29 400
          22 Everybody Get Together - The Dave Clark Five
          25 I Want You Back - The Jackson Five
          27 Years May Come Years May Go - Herman's Hermits
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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          • This week NME and MM are ahead with a future BMRB #1. They both place him at the top this week with BMRB following next week.
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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            • Football fever breaks out as the England World Cup Squad '70 make the charts with the first in a series of dreadful football songs that will accompany every major tournament. Sadly England will fail to qualify for the 1974 and 1978 finals but at least we will be spared awful football songs (though the Scots will released awful songs instead).

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              • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                This week NME and MM are ahead with a future BMRB #1.
                Which makes Dana a BMRB-only number one and, in my view, their most suspicious. Perhaps it sold extremely well in a minority of stores.

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                • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                  Football fever breaks out as the England World Cup Squad '70 make the charts with the first in a series of dreadful football songs that will accompany every major tournament. Sadly England will fail to qualify for the 1974 and 1978 finals but at least we will be spared awful football songs (though the Scots will released awful songs instead).
                  We only won in 1966 because Lonnie Donegan sang the song. If they make that a re-release for the next World Cup then we will win. Stands to reason….
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                  • Originally posted by Splodj View Post

                    Which makes Dana a BMRB-only number one and, in my view, their most suspicious. Perhaps it sold extremely well in a minority of stores.
                    That's BS and you know it is! In fact BMRB were a week late in getting Dana top and a week slower getting shut of her from. The higher numbers of the BMRB chart would have been selling all across the board. And BMRB were obsessed with it being a "National" chart. To back this up the Real Chart numbers were 5 April Dana 185K S&G 176K 12 April Dana 191K S&G 155K 19 April Norman 137K Dana 135K.
                    So unless you know the full figures either Dana or Norman could have been top it was that close.
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                    • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
                      We only won in 1966 because Lonnie Donegan sang the song. If they make that a re-release for the next World Cup then we will win. Stands to reason….
                      From what I have seen it was more to do with football politics and how the rules were interpreted that England won in 1966. With the technology of today's game they probably wouldn't have won.
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                      • Greetings Pop Pickers

                        Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 2nd 1970

                        Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 2nd 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 150 Points
                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                        1 1 Spirit In The Sky - Norman Greenbaum 1 1 1 18000
                        2 2 All Kinds Of Everything - Dana 2 2 2 17400
                        3 3 Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon and Garfunkel 3 3 4 16650
                        5 4 Gimme Dat Ding - The Pipkins 4 4 7 15750
                        4 5 Can't Help Falling In Love - Andy Williams 6 5 5 15400
                        9 6 Never Had A Dream Come True - Stevie Wonder 5 6 6 15200
                        21 7 Back Home - The England World Cup Squad '70 7 13 3 13500
                        8 8 Farewell Is A Lonely Sound - Jimmy Ruffin 11 7 8 13450
                        7 9 Young Gifted And Black - Bob and Marcia 10 8 13 12650
                        12 10 Travellin' Band - Creedence Clearwater Revival 8 11 11 12600
                        6 11 Knock Knock Who's There - Mary Hopkin 9 9 14 12450
                        10 12 When Julie Comes Around - The Cuff links 13 10 10 12000
                        13 13 Good Morning Freedom - Blue Mink 12 12 12 11400
                        18 14 House Of The Rising Sun - Frijid Pink 14 14 9 10950
                        19 15 Rag Mama Rag - The Band 15 15 16 9450
                        11 16 I Can't Help Myself - The Four Tops 17 16 17 8650
                        22 17 Daughter Of Darkness - Tom Jones 16 18 15 8650
                        16 18 Who Do You Love - Juicy Lucy 18 17 18 8050
                        14 19 Wand'rin Star - Lee Marvin 22 20 21 6050
                        15 20 Something's Burning - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 23 19 22 5950
                        NEW 21 I Can't Tell the Bottom From The Top - The Hollies 19 27 19 5200
                        30 22 I've Got You On My Mind - White Plains 20 24 24 5000
                        25 23 Do The Funky Chicken - Rufus Thomas 20 22 29 4750
                        17 24 That Same Old Feeling - Pickettywitch 27 21 25 4200
                        27 25 I Don't Believe In If Anymore - Roger Whittaker 26 23 23 4200
                        24 26 The Seeker - The Who 23 25 26 3850
                        20 27 You're Such A Good Looking Woman - Joe Dolan 26 20 2900
                        NEW 28 Brontosaurus - The Move 25 30 27 2050
                        NEW 29 El Condor Pasa - Julie Felix 28 29 28 1550
                        23 30 Let It Be - The Beatles 28 750
                        X Do You Love Me - Deep Feeling 29 400
                        28 Govinda - The Radha Krishna Temple 30 200
                        Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head - Sacha Distel 30 150
                        26 Don't Cry Daddy - Elvis Presley
                        29 Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye - Steam
                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                        • I agree about awful football songs, loved by fans and cringed at by others. But, Scottish as I am, I have to admit that I did have a kinda liking for Back Home. It was a decent pop song only spoilt by the added football sound effects and the only one not to place me among the 'cringers' of the rest that followed.
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                          • The Julie Felix record was the first on the new RAK label.

                            There would have been a lot more football songs in the charts, but most sold only local and that meant exclusion from the BMRB chart, who were obsessed with records that only sold nationally. Later compilers of charts ended that rule and I believe East 17 started selling locally first. To be honest doing the Real Charts for the 1960's and 1970 charts, I haven't come upon any football clubs making records, so the England one might have encouraged clubs to make records in the years to come.
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                            • As a football fan, I remember loving Ally's Tartan Army and Ole Ola as an 8 year old in 1978, although I concede they are not in the same class in World In Motion and Three Lions. Tommy Vance's favourite football song of 1982 was We Have A Dream - he said so on the Top 40. Sorry it's a bit off topic Brian - but keep up the great work

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                              • So this Donegan 1966 World Cup song that was so vital to the nation ... how high did that climb?

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                                • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                  So this Donegan 1966 World Cup song that was so vital to the nation ... how high did that climb?
                                  #3 in RR Bubbling Under Chart for 1 week on 23rd July 1966

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                                  • Originally posted by Woz1234 View Post

                                    #3 in RR Bubbling Under Chart for 1 week on 23rd July 1966
                                    Lonnie Donegan World Cup Willie
                                    Was issued on the 26 November 1965 which seems very early to release the record.
                                    It failed to make the Real Chart 100 in both 1965 and 1966.
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                                    • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                      Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 9th 1970

                                      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 9th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 150 Points
                                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                      1 1 Spirit In The Sky - Norman Greenbaum 2 1 1 17800
                                      7 2 Back Home - The England World Cup Squad '70 1 2 2 17600
                                      2 3 All Kinds Of Everything - Dana 3 3 3 16800
                                      6 4 Never Had A Dream Come True - Stevie Wonder 5 4 9 15250
                                      3 5 Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon and Garfunkel 10 5 4 14750
                                      14 6 House Of The Rising Sun - Frijid Pink 9 6 6 14400
                                      5 7 Can't Help Falling In Love - Andy Williams 6 8 7 14350
                                      10 8 Travellin' Band - Creedence Clearwater Revival 4 11 8 13850
                                      4 9 Gimme Dat Ding - The Pipkins 8 9 11 13100
                                      8 10 Farewell Is A Lonely Sound - Jimmy Ruffin 7 7 16 13050
                                      12 11 When Julie Comes Around - The Cuff Links 11 10 12 12100
                                      17 12 Daughter Of Darkness - Tom Jones 14 12 5 12050
                                      21 13 I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top - The Hollies 12 16 10 10700
                                      13 14 Good Morning Freedom - Blue Mink 13 14 13 10550
                                      15 15 Rag Mama Rag - The Band 15 13 19 9500
                                      9 16 Young Gifted And Black - Bob and Marcia 17 15 18 8750
                                      11 17 Knock Knock Who's There - Mary Hopkin 18 17 15 8500
                                      25 18 I Don't Believe In if Anymore - Roger Whittaker 22 20 17 6650
                                      28 19 Brontosaurus - The Move 23 22 14 6400
                                      16 20 I Can't Help Myself - The Four Tops 23 18 21 6350
                                      26 21 The Seeker - The Who 19 21 24 5950
                                      23 22 Do The Funky Chicken - Rufus Thomas 16 24 26 5500
                                      NEW 23 Question - The Moody Blues 20 26 20 5100
                                      18 24 Who Do You Love - Juicy Lucy 25 19 27 4800
                                      22 25 I've Got You On My Mind - White Plains 27 23 22 4150
                                      29 26 El Condor Pasa - Julie Felix 26 25 25 3400
                                      NEW 27 Yellow River - Christie 21 28 2450
                                      19 28 Wand'rin Star - Lee Marvin 28 23 1950
                                      20 29 Something's Burning - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 27 1000
                                      NEW 30 Up The Ladder To The Roof - The Supremes 28 600
                                      27 You're Such A Good Looking Woman - Joe Dolan 29 500
                                      B Honey Come Back - Glen Campbell 29 400
                                      24 That Same Old Feeling - Picketywitch 29 300
                                      B Groovin' With Mr. Bloe - Mr. Bloe 30 250
                                      B Abraham Martin and John - Marvin Gaye 30 200
                                      Govinda - The Radha Krishna Temple 30 150
                                      30 Let It Be - The Beatles
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                      • Three stunning new entries this week from The Moody Blues, Christie, and The Supremes in their new incarnation. Wonderful stuff
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                        • Yes, three great new entries, the pick of which is 'Question' by The Moody Blues.

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                                          • Let your fingers do the walking Yellow Pages.....
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                                            • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                              Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 16th 1970

                                              Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 16th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                                              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 150 Points
                                              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                              2 1 Back Home - The England World Cup Squad '70 1 2 1 17750
                                              1 2 Spirit In The Sky - Norman Greenbaum 2 1 2 17650
                                              6 3 House Of The Rising Sun - Frijid Pink 3 3 4 16650
                                              3 4 All Kinds Of Everything - Dana 5 4 5 15850
                                              12 5 Daughter Of Darkness - Tom Jones 4 7 8 14850
                                              8 6 Travellin' Band - Creedence Clearwater Revival 6 6 9 14550
                                              13 7 I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top - The Hollies 7 9 7 13900
                                              23 8 Question - The Moody Blues 10 10 3 13650
                                              4 9 Never Had A Dream Come True - Stevie Wonder 8 4 16 13600
                                              5 10 Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon and Garfunkel 9 8 12 13000
                                              7 11 Can't Help Falling In Love - Andy Williams 11 11 11 12000
                                              19 12 Brontosaurus - The Move 14 12 10 11300
                                              27 13 Yellow River - Christie 12 17 6 11050
                                              11 14 When Julie Comes Around - The Cufflinks 13 13 13 10800
                                              9 15 Gimme Dat Ding - The Pipkins 15 14 18 9400
                                              18 16 I Don't Believe In If Anymore - Roger Whittaker 16 15 15 9400
                                              10 17 Farewell Is A Lonely Sound - Jimmy Ruffin 18 16 14 8900
                                              15 18 Rag Mama Rag - The Band 21 18 17 7350
                                              21 19 The Seeker - The Who 20 19 19 7000
                                              14 20 Good Morning Freedom - Blue Mink 19 20 21 6650
                                              22 21 Do The Funky Chicken - Rufus Thomas 17 22 25 5950
                                              26 22 El Condor Pasa - Julie Felix 25 21 23 4900
                                              16 23 Young Gifted And Black - Bob and Marcia 23 24 24 4400
                                              17 24 Knock Knock Who's There - Mary Hopkin 27 23 22 4150
                                              25 25 I've Got You On My Mind - White Plains 26 26 20 3900
                                              NEW 26 Honey Come Back - Glen Campbell 22 28 2250
                                              NEW 27 Groovin' With Mr. Bloe - Mr. Bloe 28 25 2100
                                              NEW 28 ABC - The Jackson Five 23 29 2100
                                              20 29 I Can't Help Myself - The Four Tops 28 29 1050
                                              24 30 Who Do You Love - Juicy Lucy 27 1000
                                              30 Up The Ladder To The Roof - The Supremes 28 30 750
                                              28 Wand'rin Star - Lee Marvin 26 750
                                              Govinda - The Radha Krishna Temple 27 600
                                              B Abraham Martin And John 30 250
                                              B Kentucky Rain - Elvis Presley 30 200
                                              B Everything Is Beautiful - Ray Stevens 30 200
                                              29 Something's Burning - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                              • Something strange is happening at BMRB this week to show something is amiss. The Supremes came in at #30 last week and hold their again this week. Suddenly next week it is gonna leap an amazing 24 places to #6 then fall back again. Either this week's chart position has to be erroneous or next week's is.
                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                                • I see nothing out of sorts with the Supremes position at all. During those weeks it has two plays on TOTP - hence why it jumps. With sales charts as opposed to "points" chart, the sales can vary each week and a record can go down the chart, or stay in the same place selling more than it did last week. The entire level of sales for the whole chart could vary too. The week the record fell there was a bank holiday on the 25 May, so that would effect the sales pattern.
                                                  What I will say that neither of the TOTP performances were the actual artist featured. One being the disc playing and the other Pan's People. Perhaps the Pan's was a bit more impressive to record buyers? The show didn't always use film for none UK acts. I suspect the producer liked to show acts rather then films (they weren't videos at that time). I think this was a problem for many USA acts, as the home market was often more important to them or they could not get visas to work here.
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                                                  • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                                    Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 23rd 1970

                                                    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 23rd 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                                                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 150 Points
                                                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                                    1 1 Back Home - The England World Cup Squad '70 1 1 1 18000
                                                    2 2 Spirit In The Sky - Norman Greenbaum 3 2 2 17200
                                                    8 3 Question - The Moody Blues 2 3 4 16850
                                                    13 4 Yellow River - Christie 4 4 3 16350
                                                    3 5 House Of The Rising Sun - Frijid Pink 5 5 6 15450
                                                    12 6 Brontosaurus - The Move 6 6 7 14850
                                                    5 7 Daughter Of Darkness - Tom Jones 8 7 5 14500
                                                    7 8 I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top - The Hollies 7 8 9 13850
                                                    6 9 Travellin' Band - Creedence Clearwater Revival 9 9 11 12900
                                                    4 10 All Kinds Of Everything - Dana 10 10 10 12600
                                                    16 11 I Don't Believe In If Anymore - Roger Whittaker 11 11 8 12450
                                                    9 12 Never Had A Dream Come True - Stevie Wonder 13 12 15 10750
                                                    10 13 Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon and Garfunkel 18 13 14 9650
                                                    21 14 Do The Funky Chicken - Rufus Thomas 14 14 18 9600
                                                    11 15 Can't Help Falling In Love - Andy Williams 16 16 12 9600
                                                    26 16 Honey Come Back - Glen Campbell 12 21 13 9000
                                                    28 17 ABC - The Jackson Five 14 20 20 7800
                                                    19 18 The Seeker - The Who 17 15 28 7250
                                                    14 19 When Julie Comes Around - The Cuff Links 19 18 25 6550
                                                    NEW 20 Everything Is Beautiful - Ray Stevens 20 23 16 6450
                                                    27 21 Grooovin' With Mr. Bloe - Mr. Bloe 22 19 21 6300
                                                    22 22 El Condor Pasa - Julie Felix 27 17 19 6100
                                                    17 23 Farewell Is A Lonely Sound - Jimmy Ruffin 23 22 23 5050
                                                    25 24 I've Got You On My Mind - White Plains 28 25 17 4200
                                                    18 25 Rag Mama Rag - The Band 21 24 3750
                                                    NEW 26 Abraham Martin And John - Marvin Gaye 25 27 24 3250
                                                    15 27 Gimme Dat Ding - The Pipkins 26 26 26 3000
                                                    NEW 28 Up The Ladder To The Roof - The Supremes 24 28 30 2300
                                                    NEW 29 Don't You Know - Butterscotch 30 30 22 1800
                                                    20 30 Good Morning Freedom - Blue Mink 29 27 1100
                                                    B Kentucky Rain - Elvis Presley 29 400
                                                    24 Knock Knock Who's There - Mary Hopkin 29 300
                                                    23 Young Gifted And Black - Bob and Marcia
                                                    29 I Can't Help Myself - The Four Tops
                                                    30 Who Do You Love - Juicy Lucy
                                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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