The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[MrTibbs]

24 Rock-A-Hula Baby / Can't Help Falling In Love - Elvis Presley

How come this single only entered the MM chart since it was issued on Friday 12th January 1962 with advance orders of 290,000, as shown in the image above from DISC magazine? Hard to believe it did not enter any of the other papers.

This is a really strange one !

As Brian said it entered the MM chart at #20 on the 20th January and didn't chart that week on any other chart. Then it vanished from the MM chart on the 27th January, still not charting on any other, then on 3rd February crashed in at 4 2 4 9 12 across the charts.

It is a really strange occurrence. I seem to remember reading about it in the other music papers at the time when I was visiting the newspaper library to collect charts. They accused the record was 'hyped' into the MM chart that week before it was issued. MM defended saying it was import copies being bought, but even more strange it vanished the following week before reappearing like I said.

[brian05]

24 Rock-A-Hula Baby / Can't Help Falling In Love - Elvis Presley

How come this single only entered the MM chart since it was issued on Friday 12th January 1962 with advance orders of 290,000, as shown in the image above from DISC magazine? Hard to believe it did not enter any of the other papers.

[MrTibbs]

I'm going to post two charts on around three days a week to move this project along a bit as I want to get to 1963 a bit sooner, and the genesis of the British domination of popular music throughout the sixties, and especially right the biggest wrong in that era, placing the The Beatles and Please Please Me at its justified position of #1 at long last.

[MrTibbs]

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 20th 1962

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 20th 1962								NME	RM	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	60	110	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC				TOP	30	Scored
1	1	The Young Ones - Cliff Richard					1	1	1	1	1	1	9900
2	2	Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk					2	2	3	2	3	2	9460
5	3	I'd Never Find Another You - Billy Fury					3	3	4	3	2	6	9140
3	4	Let There Be Drums - Sandy Nelson					4	6	2	4	4	3	8900
9	5	Multiplication - Bobby Darin					5	5	5	7	5	8	8270
7	6	Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen - Neil Sedaka					6	7	6	8	6	4	8010
6	7	Johnny Will - Pat Boone					7	10	8	5	8	9	7730
4	8	Moon River - Danny Williams					8	12	7	6	7	7	7630
8	9	Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball					11	11	9	9	10	5	7170
12	10	Run To Him - Bobby Vee					9	8	10	11	9	10	7030
16	11	Let's Twist Again - Chubby Checker					10	4	18	12	12	16	6430
17	12	Walk On By - Leroy Van Dyke					12	14	14	10	13	17	6010
19	13	The Twist - Chubby Checker					13	9	12	15	17	14	5870
15	14	The Language Of Love - John D. Loudermilk					14	15	13	13	14	13	5730
11	15	So Long Baby - Del Shannon					17	19	11	14	18	12	5250
14	16	The Lion Sleeps Tonight - The Tokens					15	13	19	17	16	11	5050
10	17	Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan					18	23	17	16	15	18	4320
13	18	Toy Balloons - Russ Conway						24	20	19		22	2810
18	19	Son This Is She - John Leyton					16	17			11	15	2600
20	20	You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves						25		18		20	2240
NEW	21	Forget Me Not - Eden Kane					20	18			20	19	1950
21	22	Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren						22	15				1680
NEW	23	Crying In The Rain - The Everly Brothers					19	16				21	1500
NEW	24	Rock-A-Hula Baby / Can't Help Falling In Love - Elvis Presley								20			1210
24	25	I Understand - The G-Clefs						20				25	1060
28	26	Peppermint Twist - Joey Dee and The Starliters							16				900
25	27	Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee						21				29	860
NEW	28	The Comancheros - Lonnie Donegan									19	26	750
27	29	My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark						26				24	610
23	30	Don’t Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine						26				27	520
		Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro						30				23	320
		September In The Rain - Dinah Washington						28					240
		Take Five - Dave Brubeck						29					160
		His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley										28	90
		Your Ma Said You Cried In Your Sleep Last Night - Doug Sheldon										30	30

[MrTibbs]

However, I failed to mention earlier that justice was done last week in correcting one of the 'official' charts major errors by confirming Mr. Acker Bilk was indeed THE #1 record on January 6th.

[MrTibbs]

As I work with the various charts for this thread one thing becomes apparent. Although RR is indeed the worst offender by a country mile for outliers all the other charts do have there own moments of peculiar patterns at times too. As mentioned above on this occasion it is the normally astute RM who falls foul. But NME, MM, Disc all have their occasional hiccups too.

[Splodj]

‘Surrender’ is a strange one because of the RM tie, so the votes for number one that week were effectively:
Surrender : 2.5
Runaway : 1.5
Crazy : 1

I suppose we should also mention (or whisper!) the case of NME putting Little Red Rooster straight in at the top.

[Splodj]

RR wasn't really an outlier on Dustman as it was in the majority.

You can carry forward the analysis with the Beatles records after Help. Day Tripper was 50/50, then RR was back in the majority on Paperback Writer.

I've mentioned Trevor Peacock before, who has just died. As well as Mrs Brown he also wrote Jess Conrad's 'Mystery Girl' which spent 5 weeks in the Ultimate in Feb/Mar 61.

[braindeadpj]

'Its Now Or Never' was unanimous.

Jailhouse Rock – MM 3
It’s Now Or Never
The Young Ones - RM 3
I Want To Hold Your Hand - RR 10
Can't Buy Me Love - RR 8
A Hard Day’s Night – RR 3
I Feel Fine - RR 6
Ticket To Ride - RR 11
Help – RR 5

'Dustman' entered at number one in NME and RM only.

You're right. I should've remembered that one. So 7 out of 10 (counting Dustman) times RR was the outlier. NME and DISC were 'never' the outlier - though DISC did have "Are You Lonesome Tonight" debut at no.1 while none of the others did.... MM and of course RR were also outliers for Surrender.

[Splodj]

'Its Now Or Never' was unanimous.

Jailhouse Rock – MM 3
It’s Now Or Never
The Young Ones - RM 3
I Want To Hold Your Hand - RR 10
Can't Buy Me Love - RR 8
A Hard Day’s Night – RR 3
I Feel Fine - RR 6
Ticket To Ride - RR 11
Help – RR 5

'Dustman' entered at number one in NME and RM only.

[braindeadpj]

So if I remember correctly, none of the no.1 debuts have been unanimous. Normally it is RR that has been out of step, but this time it is RM. Is this the first time that RR wasn't the one out of step?

[brian05]

From Hits of the 60s by Demitri Coryton.

[brian05]

DISC magazine 13th January 1962.

[brian05]

16 Let's Twist Again - Chubby Checker 12 7 17 14 22
19 The Twist - Chubby Checker 18 11 14 27

RR way out on both occasions.

[Splodj]

If it was the film's publicity that enabled Cliff to burst in at the top, I wonder why he didn't achieve that feat with Summer Holiday.

[Robbie]

Almost an immediate across the board number 1 for 'The Young Ones'. RR falls into line but it's RM which is out of step.

[MrTibbs]

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 13th 1962

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 13th 1962								NME	RM	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	60	110	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC				TOP	30	Scored
NEW	1	The Young Ones - Cliff Richard					1	1	3	1	1	1	9780
1	2	Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk					2	2	1	2	3	2	9580
3	3	Let There Be Drums - Sandy Nelson					3	3	2	3	2	4	9320
2	4	Moon River - Danny Williams					5	6	6	4	6	3	8560
9	5	I'd Never Find Another You - Billy Fury					4	4	8	6	5	5	8370
4	6	Johnny Will - Pat Boone					6	9	5	5	4	7	8250
7	7	Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen - Neil Sedaka					7	8	7	7	8	6	7820
6	8	Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball					9	9	4	8	7	8	7800
10	9	Multiplication - Bobby Darin					8	5	10	9	10	9	7470
5	10	Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan					10	14	9	10	9	12	6660
8	11	So Long Baby - Del Shannon					13	15	11	11	12	10	6260
14	12	Run To Him - Bobby Vee					11	12	20	12	11	13	5810
11	13	Toy Balloons - Russ Conway					16	17	13	14	20	17	5040
24	14	The Lion Sleeps Tonight - The Tokens					15	16	18	15	17	11	5040
21	15	The Language Of Love - John D. Loudermilk					14	13		13	16	14	4680
27	16	Let's Twist Again - Chubby Checker					12	7		17	14	22	4580
NEW	17	Walk On By - Leroy Van Dyke					19	29	16	16	18	26	3510
16	18	Son This Is She - John Leyton					17	18	12		13	19	3440
NEW	19	The Twist - Chubby Checker					18	11	14			27	2740
25	20	You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves						20		19		18	2590
23	21	Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren					20	26	15		15	28	2250
15	22	Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro						25		20		23	1930
17	23	Don't Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine						21	19			21	1820
19	24	I Understand - The G-Clefs						22			19	20	1650
13	25	Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee						18				16	1490
20	26	Bambino - The Springfields								18			1430
12	27	My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark						24				15	1040
NEW	28	Peppermint Twist - Joey Dee and The Starliters							17				840
22	29	Take Five - Dave Brubeck						23					640
18	30	I Cried For You - Ricky Stevens						27					320
		Peppermint Twist - Danny Peppermint and The Jumping Jacks						28					240
		His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley										24	210
		Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean										25	180
		September In The Rain - Dinah Washington						30					80
		Your Ma Said You Cried In Your Sleep Last Night - Doug Sheldon										29	60
		Charleston - The Temperance Seven										30	30

[MrTibbs]

I appreciate your confirmation yesterday Brian that you will proceed with this most interesting project as planned at the start. It also important that these charts will be available futurely being the best ever chart 56-69. They ought to constitute the classic chart of the era and with a link to Alan’s chart history the reason why will follow.

Thanks kjell, again I have to offer my appreciation to you and all the thread's loyal followers for your continuing support.

The UAC does what it says on the tin, takes the averaging process to another level, corrects errors, smooths out the inconsistencies, and results in a more robust chart to reflect the era.

[kjell]

I appreciate your confirmation yesterday Brian that you will proceed with this most interesting project as planned at the start. It also important that these charts will be available futurely being the best ever chart 56-69. They ought to constitute the classic chart of the era and with a link to Alan’s chart history the reason why will follow.

[Splodj]

Info in this field is scattered and difficult to find. The Official Chart company seem to dominate the results when you search for something to do with the charts, although ukmix does quite well.

Anyway the tape recorders were out with avengance this year; 25 POTPs from 1962 on the web.

[MrTibbs]

(I got the playlist for the programme here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/pops...ri-t14678.html There is a recording of the show elsewhere but it is only partial and does not include the current chart section.)

That's an excellent resource Splodj, thanks for sharing. You do have a knack for sourcing interesting sites and articles of interest.

[MrTibbs]

What a strange chart this is. Stranger is #1 in NME, MM, RM, Disc, and 8, yes 8 ! , in RR. I don't know how that can be explained.

Furthermore below #16 records are peppered all over the place in the various charts lots of records only placing in 2 out of 5. Just weird.

[MrTibbs]

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 6th 1962

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 6th 1962								NME	RM	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	60	110	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC				TOP	30	Scored
3	1	Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk					1	1	1	1	1	8	9690
1	2	Moon River - Danny Williams					2=	2	2	3	4	1	9390
5	3	Let There Be Drums - Sandy Nelson					2=	4	3	2	3	3	9270
4	4	Johnny Will - Pat Boone					4	5	4	4	2	4	8930
2	5	Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan					5	3	5	6	5	5	8630
6	6	Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball					6	6	6	5	6	2	8480
16	7	Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen - Neil Sedaka					7	7	13	7	8	6	7540
8	8	So Long Baby - Del Shannon					9	10	7	8	9	11	7350
11	9	I'd Never Find Another You - Billy Fury					8	8	9	11	7	9	7220
13	10	Multiplication - Bobby Darin					10	9	11	9	10	7	7150
10	11	Toy Balloons - Russ Conway					11	11	8	10	11	10	6920
9	12	My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark					13	18	10	12	12	19	5700
7	13	Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee					12	12	20	15	13	12	5410
25	14	Run To Him - Bobby Vee					14	17	19	14	18	18	4750
12	15	Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro					19	19	18	20	16	13	4240
29	16	Son This Is She - John Leyton					16	25		16	17		2830
19	17	Don't Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine					17=	13	14			21	2760
28	18	I Cried For You - Ricky Stevens					17=	23		13			2620
22	19	I Understand - The G-Clefs					15	16			15	17	2420
RE	20	Bambino - The Springfields							15	19		28	2370
NEW	21	The Language Of Love - John D. Loudermilk						27		18	20		2300
18	22	Take Five - Dave Brubeck						21	12			26	2090
27	23	Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren					20=	26	17		14		2090
NEW	24	The Lion Sleeps Tonight - The Tokens								17		16	1990
23	25	You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves					20=	14				22	1630
17	26	Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean						20				14	1390
NEW	27	Let's Twist Again - Chubby Checker						15				29	1340
30	28	Charleston - The Temperance Seven						29			19	25	940
RE	29	September In The Rain - Dinah Washington							16				900
14	30	I'll Get By - Shirley Bassey						24				24	770
		The Twist - Chubby Checker						22					720
		His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley						28				15	720
		The Savage - The Shadows										20	330
		Mrs. Mills Medley - Mrs. Mills										23	240
		When The Girl In Your Arms Is The Girl In Your Heart / Got A Funny Feeling - Cliff Richard										27	120
		Come Along Please - Bob Wallis						30					80
		The Time Has Come - Adam Faith										30	30

[MrTibbs]

Right, onward and upward, here comes 1962

[MrTibbs]

I'm sure they didn't include RM or RR, because all the points tally on that basis - except for that tie at number 2.

At this time the BBC still didn't include RM or RR, they still compiled their chart from NME, MM, Disc only.

The BBC only included RR when RM adopted the RR chart in March 1962.