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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    24 Rock-A-Hula Baby / Can't Help Falling In Love - Elvis Presley

    How come this single only entered the MM chart since it was issued on Friday 12th January 1962 with advance orders of 290,000, as shown in the image above from DISC magazine? Hard to believe it did not enter any of the other papers.
    This is a really strange one !

    As Brian said it entered the MM chart at #20 on the 20th January and didn't chart that week on any other chart. Then it vanished from the MM chart on the 27th January, still not charting on any other, then on 3rd February crashed in at 4 2 4 9 12 across the charts.

    It is a really strange occurrence. I seem to remember reading about it in the other music papers at the time when I was visiting the newspaper library to collect charts. They accused the record was 'hyped' into the MM chart that week before it was issued. MM defended saying it was import copies being bought, but even more strange it vanished the following week before reappearing like I said.

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  • brian05
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    24 Rock-A-Hula Baby / Can't Help Falling In Love - Elvis Presley

    How come this single only entered the MM chart since it was issued on Friday 12th January 1962 with advance orders of 290,000, as shown in the image above from DISC magazine? Hard to believe it did not enter any of the other papers.

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  • MrTibbs
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    I'm going to post two charts on around three days a week to move this project along a bit as I want to get to 1963 a bit sooner, and the genesis of the British domination of popular music throughout the sixties, and especially right the biggest wrong in that era, placing the The Beatles and Please Please Me at its justified position of #1 at long last.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 20th 1962


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 20th 1962 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 The Young Ones - Cliff Richard 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    2 2 Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk 2 2 3 2 3 2 9460
    5 3 I'd Never Find Another You - Billy Fury 3 3 4 3 2 6 9140
    3 4 Let There Be Drums - Sandy Nelson 4 6 2 4 4 3 8900
    9 5 Multiplication - Bobby Darin 5 5 5 7 5 8 8270
    7 6 Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen - Neil Sedaka 6 7 6 8 6 4 8010
    6 7 Johnny Will - Pat Boone 7 10 8 5 8 9 7730
    4 8 Moon River - Danny Williams 8 12 7 6 7 7 7630
    8 9 Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball 11 11 9 9 10 5 7170
    12 10 Run To Him - Bobby Vee 9 8 10 11 9 10 7030
    16 11 Let's Twist Again - Chubby Checker 10 4 18 12 12 16 6430
    17 12 Walk On By - Leroy Van Dyke 12 14 14 10 13 17 6010
    19 13 The Twist - Chubby Checker 13 9 12 15 17 14 5870
    15 14 The Language Of Love - John D. Loudermilk 14 15 13 13 14 13 5730
    11 15 So Long Baby - Del Shannon 17 19 11 14 18 12 5250
    14 16 The Lion Sleeps Tonight - The Tokens 15 13 19 17 16 11 5050
    10 17 Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan 18 23 17 16 15 18 4320
    13 18 Toy Balloons - Russ Conway 24 20 19 22 2810
    18 19 Son This Is She - John Leyton 16 17 11 15 2600
    20 20 You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves 25 18 20 2240
    NEW 21 Forget Me Not - Eden Kane 20 18 20 19 1950
    21 22 Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren 22 15 1680
    NEW 23 Crying In The Rain - The Everly Brothers 19 16 21 1500
    NEW 24 Rock-A-Hula Baby / Can't Help Falling In Love - Elvis Presley 20 1210
    24 25 I Understand - The G-Clefs 20 25 1060
    28 26 Peppermint Twist - Joey Dee and The Starliters 16 900
    25 27 Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee 21 29 860
    NEW 28 The Comancheros - Lonnie Donegan 19 26 750
    27 29 My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark 26 24 610
    23 30 Don’t Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine 26 27 520
    Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro 30 23 320
    September In The Rain - Dinah Washington 28 240
    Take Five - Dave Brubeck 29 160
    His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley 28 90
    Your Ma Said You Cried In Your Sleep Last Night - Doug Sheldon 30 30

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  • MrTibbs
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    However, I failed to mention earlier that justice was done last week in correcting one of the 'official' charts major errors by confirming Mr. Acker Bilk was indeed THE #1 record on January 6th.

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  • MrTibbs
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    As I work with the various charts for this thread one thing becomes apparent. Although RR is indeed the worst offender by a country mile for outliers all the other charts do have there own moments of peculiar patterns at times too. As mentioned above on this occasion it is the normally astute RM who falls foul. But NME, MM, Disc all have their occasional hiccups too.

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  • Splodj
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    ‘Surrender’ is a strange one because of the RM tie, so the votes for number one that week were effectively:
    Surrender : 2.5
    Runaway : 1.5
    Crazy : 1

    I suppose we should also mention (or whisper!) the case of NME putting Little Red Rooster straight in at the top.

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  • Splodj
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    RR wasn't really an outlier on Dustman as it was in the majority.

    You can carry forward the analysis with the Beatles records after Help. Day Tripper was 50/50, then RR was back in the majority on Paperback Writer.

    I've mentioned Trevor Peacock before, who has just died. As well as Mrs Brown he also wrote Jess Conrad's 'Mystery Girl' which spent 5 weeks in the Ultimate in Feb/Mar 61.

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  • braindeadpj
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    'Its Now Or Never' was unanimous.

    Jailhouse Rock – MM 3
    It’s Now Or Never
    The Young Ones - RM 3

    I Want To Hold Your Hand - RR 10
    Can't Buy Me Love - RR 8
    A Hard Day’s Night – RR 3
    I Feel Fine - RR 6
    Ticket To Ride - RR 11

    Help – RR 5

    'Dustman' entered at number one in NME and RM only.
    You're right. I should've remembered that one. So 7 out of 10 (counting Dustman) times RR was the outlier. NME and DISC were 'never' the outlier - though DISC did have "Are You Lonesome Tonight" debut at no.1 while none of the others did.... MM and of course RR were also outliers for Surrender.

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  • Splodj
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    'Its Now Or Never' was unanimous.

    Jailhouse Rock – MM 3
    It’s Now Or Never
    The Young Ones - RM 3

    I Want To Hold Your Hand - RR 10
    Can't Buy Me Love - RR 8
    A Hard Day’s Night – RR 3
    I Feel Fine - RR 6
    Ticket To Ride - RR 11

    Help – RR 5

    'Dustman' entered at number one in NME and RM only.

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  • braindeadpj
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    So if I remember correctly, none of the no.1 debuts have been unanimous. Normally it is RR that has been out of step, but this time it is RM. Is this the first time that RR wasn't the one out of step?

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  • brian05
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    From Hits of the 60s by Demitri Coryton.



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  • brian05
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    DISC magazine 13th January 1962.



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  • brian05
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    16 Let's Twist Again - Chubby Checker 12 7 17 14 22
    19 The Twist - Chubby Checker 18 11 14 27

    RR way out on both occasions.

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  • Splodj
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    If it was the film's publicity that enabled Cliff to burst in at the top, I wonder why he didn't achieve that feat with Summer Holiday.

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  • Robbie
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    Almost an immediate across the board number 1 for 'The Young Ones'. RR falls into line but it's RM which is out of step.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 13th 1962

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 13th 1962 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    NEW 1 The Young Ones - Cliff Richard 1 1 3 1 1 1 9780
    1 2 Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk 2 2 1 2 3 2 9580
    3 3 Let There Be Drums - Sandy Nelson 3 3 2 3 2 4 9320
    2 4 Moon River - Danny Williams 5 6 6 4 6 3 8560
    9 5 I'd Never Find Another You - Billy Fury 4 4 8 6 5 5 8370
    4 6 Johnny Will - Pat Boone 6 9 5 5 4 7 8250
    7 7 Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen - Neil Sedaka 7 8 7 7 8 6 7820
    6 8 Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball 9 9 4 8 7 8 7800
    10 9 Multiplication - Bobby Darin 8 5 10 9 10 9 7470
    5 10 Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan 10 14 9 10 9 12 6660
    8 11 So Long Baby - Del Shannon 13 15 11 11 12 10 6260
    14 12 Run To Him - Bobby Vee 11 12 20 12 11 13 5810
    11 13 Toy Balloons - Russ Conway 16 17 13 14 20 17 5040
    24 14 The Lion Sleeps Tonight - The Tokens 15 16 18 15 17 11 5040
    21 15 The Language Of Love - John D. Loudermilk 14 13 13 16 14 4680
    27 16 Let's Twist Again - Chubby Checker 12 7 17 14 22 4580
    NEW 17 Walk On By - Leroy Van Dyke 19 29 16 16 18 26 3510
    16 18 Son This Is She - John Leyton 17 18 12 13 19 3440
    NEW 19 The Twist - Chubby Checker 18 11 14 27 2740
    25 20 You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves 20 19 18 2590
    23 21 Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren 20 26 15 15 28 2250
    15 22 Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro 25 20 23 1930
    17 23 Don't Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine 21 19 21 1820
    19 24 I Understand - The G-Clefs 22 19 20 1650
    13 25 Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee 18 16 1490
    20 26 Bambino - The Springfields 18 1430
    12 27 My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark 24 15 1040
    NEW 28 Peppermint Twist - Joey Dee and The Starliters 17 840
    22 29 Take Five - Dave Brubeck 23 640
    18 30 I Cried For You - Ricky Stevens 27 320
    Peppermint Twist - Danny Peppermint and The Jumping Jacks 28 240
    His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley 24 210
    Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean 25 180
    September In The Rain - Dinah Washington 30 80
    Your Ma Said You Cried In Your Sleep Last Night - Doug Sheldon 29 60
    Charleston - The Temperance Seven 30 30

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by kjell View Post
    I appreciate your confirmation yesterday Brian that you will proceed with this most interesting project as planned at the start. It also important that these charts will be available futurely being the best ever chart 56-69. They ought to constitute the classic chart of the era and with a link to Alan’s chart history the reason why will follow.
    Thanks kjell, again I have to offer my appreciation to you and all the thread's loyal followers for your continuing support.

    The UAC does what it says on the tin, takes the averaging process to another level, corrects errors, smooths out the inconsistencies, and results in a more robust chart to reflect the era.

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  • kjell
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    I appreciate your confirmation yesterday Brian that you will proceed with this most interesting project as planned at the start. It also important that these charts will be available futurely being the best ever chart 56-69. They ought to constitute the classic chart of the era and with a link to Alan’s chart history the reason why will follow.

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  • Splodj
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    Info in this field is scattered and difficult to find. The Official Chart company seem to dominate the results when you search for something to do with the charts, although ukmix does quite well.

    Anyway the tape recorders were out with avengance this year; 25 POTPs from 1962 on the web.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    (I got the playlist for the programme here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/pops...ri-t14678.html There is a recording of the show elsewhere but it is only partial and does not include the current chart section.)
    That's an excellent resource Splodj, thanks for sharing. You do have a knack for sourcing interesting sites and articles of interest.

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  • MrTibbs
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    What a strange chart this is. Stranger is #1 in NME, MM, RM, Disc, and 8, yes 8 ! , in RR. I don't know how that can be explained.

    Furthermore below #16 records are peppered all over the place in the various charts lots of records only placing in 2 out of 5. Just weird.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 6th 1962

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 6th 1962 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk 1 1 1 1 1 8 9690
    1 2 Moon River - Danny Williams 2= 2 2 3 4 1 9390
    5 3 Let There Be Drums - Sandy Nelson 2= 4 3 2 3 3 9270
    4 4 Johnny Will - Pat Boone 4 5 4 4 2 4 8930
    2 5 Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan 5 3 5 6 5 5 8630
    6 6 Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball 6 6 6 5 6 2 8480
    16 7 Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen - Neil Sedaka 7 7 13 7 8 6 7540
    8 8 So Long Baby - Del Shannon 9 10 7 8 9 11 7350
    11 9 I'd Never Find Another You - Billy Fury 8 8 9 11 7 9 7220
    13 10 Multiplication - Bobby Darin 10 9 11 9 10 7 7150
    10 11 Toy Balloons - Russ Conway 11 11 8 10 11 10 6920
    9 12 My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark 13 18 10 12 12 19 5700
    7 13 Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee 12 12 20 15 13 12 5410
    25 14 Run To Him - Bobby Vee 14 17 19 14 18 18 4750
    12 15 Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro 19 19 18 20 16 13 4240
    29 16 Son This Is She - John Leyton 16 25 16 17 2830
    19 17 Don't Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine 17= 13 14 21 2760
    28 18 I Cried For You - Ricky Stevens 17= 23 13 2620
    22 19 I Understand - The G-Clefs 15 16 15 17 2420
    RE 20 Bambino - The Springfields 15 19 28 2370
    NEW 21 The Language Of Love - John D. Loudermilk 27 18 20 2300
    18 22 Take Five - Dave Brubeck 21 12 26 2090
    27 23 Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren 20= 26 17 14 2090
    NEW 24 The Lion Sleeps Tonight - The Tokens 17 16 1990
    23 25 You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves 20= 14 22 1630
    17 26 Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean 20 14 1390
    NEW 27 Let's Twist Again - Chubby Checker 15 29 1340
    30 28 Charleston - The Temperance Seven 29 19 25 940
    RE 29 September In The Rain - Dinah Washington 16 900
    14 30 I'll Get By - Shirley Bassey 24 24 770
    The Twist - Chubby Checker 22 720
    His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley 28 15 720
    The Savage - The Shadows 20 330
    Mrs. Mills Medley - Mrs. Mills 23 240
    When The Girl In Your Arms Is The Girl In Your Heart / Got A Funny Feeling - Cliff Richard 27 120
    Come Along Please - Bob Wallis 30 80
    The Time Has Come - Adam Faith 30 30

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  • MrTibbs
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    Right, onward and upward, here comes 1962

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    I'm sure they didn't include RM or RR, because all the points tally on that basis - except for that tie at number 2.
    At this time the BBC still didn't include RM or RR, they still compiled their chart from NME, MM, Disc only.

    The BBC only included RR when RM adopted the RR chart in March 1962.

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