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  • Originally posted by brian05 View Post

    The Let It Be and Abbey Road albums were still in the Top 40 album chart at this date. Probably motivated some to buy the single. Perhaps it was played on Two Way Family Favourites.
    Ah there's a memory. My parents listened to Two Way Family Favourites every Sunday afternoon, then I took over with POTP
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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    • It's interesting to note that even Family Favourites was scripted even down to the records played. Though a request show, the requests were matched in with the selected records. In otherwords the requests, which there would be thousands of them, were picked out to match the intended records to be played. If hundreds of people requested a certain record to be played it would never get played if for some reason it was deemed unsuitable by the BBC.
      The same thing applied to Alan Freeman, there was a script, which even included his "not arf" etc. It wasn't normal for the presenter to play the records either. That was down to the engineer. There was even a producer, who was sometimes acknowledged at the end of the show.
      But the BBC's control of the airwaves would start to end that year when the Labour Party was defeated with the Torries promising commercial radio for the UK. Some believe that Radio Northsea International also helped insure the victory, due to the promised reforms to radio. That station also had a chart, but was clearly made up. There are some copies around of it, but not a full set.
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      • Greetings Pop Pickers

        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 7th 1970

        Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 7th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
        3 1 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 1 1 1 18750
        2 2 Patches - Clarence Carter 2 2 2 18125
        1 3 Black Night - Deep Purple 5 3 3 17100
        5 4 Me And My Life - The Tremeloes 3 5 6 16475
        4 5 Band Of Gold - Freda Payne 4 7 4 16125
        7 6 Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations 7 4 7 15750
        14 7 War - Edwin Starr 6 8 5 15300
        6 8 Paranoid - Black Sabbath 10 6 10 14125
        12 9 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 8 9 9 13950
        10 10 Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops 9 10 11 13150
        16 11 The Witch - The Rattles 11 11 8 13025
        8 12 (They Long To Be) - Close To You - The Carpenters 12 12 14 11525
        9 13 Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross 12 13 13 11450
        21 14 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 14 14 12 10975
        19 15 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 15 15 16 9825
        11 16 You Can Get If You Really Want - Desmond Dekker 17 17 19 8400
        13 17 Montego Bay - Bobby Bloom 16 16 23 8150
        15 18 Gasolene Alley Bred - The Hollies 18 19 17 8050
        17 19 The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor 19 18 20 7575
        22 20 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 20 20 21 6700
        28 21 San Bernadino - Christie 21 25 18 5775
        NEW 22 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 25 24 15 5750
        26 23 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 22 21 24 5525
        25 24 Heaven Is Here - Julie Felix 24 23 22 4975
        18 25 Black Pearl - Horace Faith 23 22 28 4375
        20 26 Which Way You Goin' Billy - The Poppy Family 26 25 30 2675
        30 27 Get Up I Feel Like Being A Sex Machine - James Brown 27 27 1800
        NEW 28 Snowbird - Anne Murray 28 30 27 1550
        NEW 29 Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin 29 25 1450
        NEW 30 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 30 28 950
        27 Our World - Blue Mink 26 875
        B Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 29 500
        X Shady Lady - Gene Pitney 29 350
        23 Strange Band / The Weaver's Answer - Family
        24 The Wonder Of You - Elvis Presley
        29 Give Me Just A Little More Time - The Chairmen Of The Board
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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        • It's a good week. Matthews Southern Comfort go top with their beautiful interpretation of Joni Mitchell's Woodstock. Luvverly !
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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          • In comes Voodoe Chile released after Hendrix had died.

            (QUOTE=Graham76man;n10694003]It wasn't normal for the presenter to play the records either. That was down to the engineer. [/QUOTE]
            Funnily enough it was Luxembourg who at this time clung on to having an engineer play the records, due to a union agreement. The djs hated it because they could not control the overall sound of their shows. In Luxy's Paris studio Rosko got round it by getting the engineer to sit doing nothing on full pay. On Radio 1, right from the start, most djs were self-op.

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            • Ah !. Now I never knew that about Luxembourg, I always assumed it was the DJ's themselves who played the records on their shows, even the Top Twenty show.
              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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              • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                It's a good week. Matthews Southern Comfort go top with their beautiful interpretation of Joni Mitchell's Woodstock. Luvverly !
                Yes, 'Woodstock' is a great single. Hearing the song takes me back to the 1970s. Not so much when the song was at number 1 as I was too young to remember it (the first record I can recall being at number 1 would be something from 1971 possibly either 'Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep' or 'Knock Three Times') but because for many years afterwards it was played quite regularly as an oldie on Radio 1. I have always loved the record and never get bored of hearing it. The sound itself is nostalgic and very dreamy.

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                • The CCS track was NOT the A side - that was Boom Boom. The other side of course became the theme for Top of The Pops, though I'm not certain when that happened. I don't think it was being used on TOTP at this point.
                  Mary Hopkin by this time was disappointed with the material was getting to sing and dropped out of the Music scene for a while only to return in 1976 briefly. She was famous for winning Opportunity Knocks ( the X factor of the day). Was spotted by Twiggy, who told Paul McCartney to sign her up. Which he did to the new Apple Label in 1968.
                  The Four Tops record had the same track on both sides of it. However the A side was called "love" and the B side had "peace" on the end.
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                  • CCS became TOTP theme tune this week, 5-Nov-70, according to the Popscene thread listing each episode.

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                    • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                      The CCS track was NOT the A side - that was Boom Boom. The other side of course became the theme for Top of The Pops, though I'm not certain when that happened. I don't think it was being used on TOTP at this point.
                      Mary Hopkin by this time was disappointed with the material was getting to sing and dropped out of the Music scene for a while only to return in 1976 briefly. She was famous for winning Opportunity Knocks ( the X factor of the day). Was spotted by Twiggy, who told Paul McCartney to sign her up. Which he did to the new Apple Label in 1968.
                      The Four Tops record had the same track on both sides of it. However the A side was called "love" and the B side had "peace" on the end.
                      Mary Hopkins did stay involved with the music industry although it may look like she disappeared until 1976. She married producer Tony Visconti in 1971 and decided to take a break from being a solo singer while she raised a family. She did continue to record though, appearing as a backing singer on many of her husband's productions. She was always credited under the name Mary Visconti.

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                      • Greetings Pop Pickers

                        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 14th 1970

                        Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 14th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                        1 1 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 1 1 1 18750
                        2 2 Patches - Clarence Carter 2 3 2 17875
                        7 3 War - Edwin Starr 3 2 3 17750
                        4 4 Me And My Life - The Tremeloes 5 6 6 15825
                        3 5 Black Night - Deep Purple 4 4 11 15650
                        11 6 The Witch - The Rattles 6 5 8 15525
                        14 7 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 7 8 4 15275
                        9 8 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 8 9 9 13950
                        6 9 Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations 8 7 14 13575
                        22 10 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 10 12 5 13500
                        5 11 Band Of Gold - Freda Payne 12 10 10 12725
                        8 12 Paranoid - Black Sabbath 13 11 13 11750
                        10 13 Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops 11 13 15 11300
                        21 14 San Bernadino - Christie 17 15 7 11000
                        15 15 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 14 14 12 10975
                        23 16 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 15 16 16 9575
                        12 17 (They Long To Be) Close To You - The Carpenters 16 18 20 8175
                        19 18 The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor 18 20 21 7100
                        30 19 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 22 19 18 7075
                        13 20 Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross 19 17 25 6950
                        20 21 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 20 22 17 6900
                        24 22 Heaven Is Here - Julie Felix 21 21 22 6075
                        29 23 Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin 24 26 19 4750
                        17 24 Montego Bay - Bobby Bloom 26 24 23 4150
                        18 25 Gasolene Alley Bred - The Hollies 25 23 27 3900
                        16 26 You Can Get It If You Really Want - Desmond Dekker 27 27 24 3025
                        NEW 27 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 29 25 30 2075
                        NEW 28 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 23 29 1950
                        NEW 29 I've Lost You - Rlvis Presley 26 875
                        NEW 30 More Good Old Rock'N'Roll - The Dave Clark Five 27 800
                        28 Snowbird - Anne Murray 28 750
                        X Julie Da Ya Love Me - Bobby Sherman 28 525
                        B In My Chair - Status Quo 29 500
                        27 Get Up I Feel Like Being A Sex Machine - James Brown 30 250
                        B You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 30 200
                        25 Black Pearl - Horace Faith
                        26 Which Way You Goin' Billy - The Poppy Family
                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                        • ^
                          Witches and vodoo in the top 10? It's magic!

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                          • Rlvis Presley

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                            • And then there's the Black Pearl
                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                              • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 21st 1970

                                Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 21st 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                1 1 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 1 1 2 18575
                                3 2 War - Edwin Starr 2 2 5 17600
                                7 3 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 3 3 3 17500
                                10 4 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 5 4 1 17200
                                2 5 Patches - Clarence Carter 4 5 4 16625
                                14 6 San Bernadino - Christie 6 6 7 15450
                                6 7 The Witch - The Rattles 7 7 8 14825
                                15 8 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 11 9 6 13875
                                8 9 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 8 10 9 13700
                                16 10 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 10 8 13 13100
                                4 11 Me And My Life - The Tremeloes 9 11 12 12725
                                5 12 Black Night - Deep Purple 14 13 11 11400
                                28 13 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 12 18 10 10725
                                9 14 Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations 15 14 14 10425
                                19 15 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 13 12 20 10275
                                11 16 Band Of Gold - Freda Payne 20 15 17 8650
                                13 17 Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops 18 16 18 8625
                                27 18 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 22 17 15 8100
                                NEW 19 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 16 22 16 7875
                                12 20 Paranoid - Black Sabbath 17 19 26 6675
                                23 21 Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin 21 20 22 6325
                                29 22 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 19 23 23 5800
                                21 23 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 23 24 21 5100
                                NEW 24 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 24 29 19 4000
                                17 25 (They Long To Be) Close To You - The Carpenters 26 21 29 3850
                                22 26 Heaven Is Here - Julie Felix 28 26 28 2375
                                18 27 The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor 25 27 30 2375
                                20 28 Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross 28 25 2100
                                NEW 29 In My Chair - Status Quo 30 24 1475
                                NEW 30 It's A Shame - The Spinners 25 1050
                                B I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 27 800
                                B Snowbird - Anne Murray 28 750
                                X Baby I Won't Let You Down - Pickettywitch 27 700
                                30 More Good Old Rock'N'Roll - The Dave Clark Five 30 200
                                24 Montego Bay - Bobby Bloom
                                25 Gasolene Alley Bred - The Hollies
                                26 You Can Get It If You Really Want - Desmond Dekker
                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                • Edwin Starr declares 'War' on Matthews Southern but will make a hasty retreat next week. The late Jimi Hendrix too has an eye on the top spot which really would be a fitting tribute to this wizard of the guitar.

                                  I liked Melanie's cover version of Ruby Tuesday but not a patch on The Rolling Stones original which blew me away. Climbing too the outstanding Cracklin' Rosie from Neil Diamond overshadowed now for some reason by Sweet Caroline but for my money Rosie was sweeter than Caroline.

                                  T. Rex climb too with just a taste of what's to come in 1971, and in storms Dave Edmunds who will knock on the door of #1 then smash his way in.

                                  The Chairmen debut with another great single and in at #30, well it's The Spinners, so let's forget the Motown and Detroit nonsense, and it isn't a shame, it's a stunning single.
                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                  • 'Sweet Caroline' has more singalong qualities to it which is probably why it is now Neil Diamond's most popular song. I was never too keen on T. Rex, I've always found Marc Bolan's vocals to be too thin and weak. It may just be a case of T. Rex's chart busting days were just before my time of following the charts and Marc and the band were successful in the period where I was only really noticing the more poppy chart hits. The twee, but lovely, 'Snowbird' by Anne Murray, falls from the UAC top 30 after just a week but given its meandering BMRB chart run it will be back.

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                                    • The charts could not agree on what was number one between 'Woodstock' and 'Knocking'. BMRB and NME said Hendrix; MM and Top Pops said Fardon.

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                                      • Anne Murray's gorgeous Snowbird deserved to be a much bigger hit than it was. For some reason it never took flight, pardon the pun, as it really deserved to.
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                        • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                          The charts could not agree on what was number one between 'Woodstock' and 'Knocking'. BMRB and NME said Hendrix; MM and Top Pops said Fardon.
                                          There's a surprise , not, that the charts couldn't agree. Occasional weeks I think the sales of records at the very top of the chart were very close which perhaps led to this to some degree depending on which stores were sampled by the papers.
                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                          • Dave Edmunds was on the new MAM label, set up by Tom Jones manager as a tax dodge for Tom. There are two versions of the single out at the same time. One credits Rockpile, the other just Dave Edmunds.
                                            You shouldn't remove the Motown from the Spinners. There was an English Folk Group very much on the go at that time called the Spinners. It's not nonsense - plus it was on the record label. But you are not really interested in facts or getting credits right, which contradicts what you have said previously way back in this thread.

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                                            The Real Chart for 1970 is now complete (as is 1976). The best sellers will be there next week.
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                                            • It's hardly surprising the (Motown) Spinners were renamed for the UK market - the UK folk group of the same name were all over the TV in the early '70s and had their own TV show for years.

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                                              • Originally posted by Metalweb View Post
                                                It's hardly surprising the (Motown) Spinners were renamed for the UK market - the UK folk group of the same name were all over the TV in the early '70s and had their own TV show for years.
                                                Quite true, but why did the USA group become the "Detroit" Spinners later on? Was it due to them leaving Motown Records and the company not allowing them to use it? Or did the change it because it sounds better, or what?

                                                It's the guitar introduction that really makes that record "It's A Shame". It makes it sound more modern than many of the tracks in the top 30 of 1970. Some of which are still heavily 60's still. If you didn't know it was from 1970 you would date it to at least 1974, 75 or 1976.
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                                                • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

                                                  Quite true, but why did the USA group become the "Detroit" Spinners later on? Was it due to them leaving Motown Records and the company not allowing them to use it? Or did the change it because it sounds better, or what?
                                                  I suppose it wouldn't be logical to keep calling them 'The Motown Spinners' when they were on Atlantic - probably neither record company would approve!

                                                  Maybe the name 'Detroit Spinners' was chosen because The Detroit Emeralds were also having hits here around this time.

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                                                  • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                                    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 28th 1970

                                                    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 28th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                                                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
                                                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                                    4 1 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 1 2 2 18325
                                                    3 2 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 2 1 3 18200
                                                    19 3 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 3 5 1 17350
                                                    1 4 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 4 3 4 17125
                                                    2 5 War - Edwin Starr 6 4 6 16125
                                                    13 6 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 5 6 5 16000
                                                    10 7 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 9 7 10 14075
                                                    6 8 San Bernadino - Christie 7 8 11 14050
                                                    8 9 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 8 9 12 13425
                                                    18 10 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 10 11 7 13400
                                                    5 11 Patches - Clarence Carter 11 10 8 13275
                                                    22 12 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 13 13 9 11950
                                                    7 13 The Witch - The Rattles 12 12 15 11350
                                                    9 14 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 14 15 14 10375
                                                    15 15 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 16 16 13 9900
                                                    24 16 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 15 17 16 9325
                                                    11 17 Me And My Life - The Tremeloes 17 14 22 8625
                                                    21 18 Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin 23 21 19 6200
                                                    NEW 19 It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell 17 29 18 5575
                                                    14 20 Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations 19 19 5400
                                                    23 21 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 25 22 20 5375
                                                    NEW 22 When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 19 24 24 5375
                                                    29 23 In My Chair - Status Quo 27 20 21 5300
                                                    12 24 Black Night - Deep Purple 24 18 28 5175
                                                    16 25 Band Of Gold - Freda Payne 22 23 25 4850
                                                    NEW 26 Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams 26 28 17 4200
                                                    NEW 27 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 21 27 26 3875
                                                    NEW 28 My Prayer - Gerry Monroe 28 23 2000
                                                    30 29 It's A Shame - The Spinners 29 25 1900
                                                    17 30 Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops 30 26 1450
                                                    Baby I Won't Let You Down - Pickettywitch 27 700
                                                    20 Paranoid - Black Sabbath 30 30 425
                                                    27 The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor 29 350
                                                    25 (They Long To Be) Close To You - The Carpenters 0
                                                    26 Heaven Is Here - Julie Felix 0
                                                    28 Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross 0
                                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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