The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[MrTibbs]

The Let It Be and Abbey Road albums were still in the Top 40 album chart at this date. Probably motivated some to buy the single. Perhaps it was played on Two Way Family Favourites.

Ah there's a memory. My parents listened to Two Way Family Favourites every Sunday afternoon, then I took over with POTP

[Graham76man]

It's interesting to note that even Family Favourites was scripted even down to the records played. Though a request show, the requests were matched in with the selected records. In otherwords the requests, which there would be thousands of them, were picked out to match the intended records to be played. If hundreds of people requested a certain record to be played it would never get played if for some reason it was deemed unsuitable by the BBC.
The same thing applied to Alan Freeman, there was a script, which even included his "not arf" etc. It wasn't normal for the presenter to play the records either. That was down to the engineer. There was even a producer, who was sometimes acknowledged at the end of the show.
But the BBC's control of the airwaves would start to end that year when the Labour Party was defeated with the Torries promising commercial radio for the UK. Some believe that Radio Northsea International also helped insure the victory, due to the promised reforms to radio. That station also had a chart, but was clearly made up. There are some copies around of it, but not a full set.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 7th 1970

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 7th 1970							NME	MM	BMRB	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	200	250	175	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
3	1	Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort					1	1	1	18750
2	2	Patches - Clarence Carter					2	2	2	18125
1	3	Black Night - Deep Purple					5	3	3	17100
5	4	Me And My Life - The Tremeloes					3	5	6	16475
4	5	Band Of Gold - Freda Payne					4	7	4	16125
7	6	Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations					7	4	7	15750
14	7	War - Edwin Starr					6	8	5	15300
6	8	Paranoid - Black Sabbath					10	6	10	14125
12	9	Ruby Tuesday - Melanie					8	9	9	13950
10	10	Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops					9	10	11	13150
16	11	The Witch - The Rattles					11	11	8	13025
8	12	(They Long To Be) - Close To You - The Carpenters					12	12	14	11525
9	13	Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross					12	13	13	11450
21	14	Indian Reservation - Don Fardon					14	14	12	10975
19	15	It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin					15	15	16	9825
11	16	You Can Get If You Really Want - Desmond Dekker					17	17	19	8400
13	17	Montego Bay - Bobby Bloom					16	16	23	8150
15	18	Gasolene Alley Bred - The Hollies					18	19	17	8050
17	19	The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor					19	18	20	7575
22	20	New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker					20	20	21	6700
28	21	San Bernadino - Christie					21	25	18	5775
NEW	22	Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					25	24	15	5750
26	23	Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains					22	21	24	5525
25	24	Heaven Is Here - Julie Felix					24	23	22	4975
18	25	Black Pearl - Horace Faith					23	22	28	4375
20	26	Which Way You Goin' Billy - The Poppy Family					26	25	30	2675
30	27	Get Up I Feel Like Being A Sex Machine - James Brown					27	27		1800
NEW	28	Snowbird - Anne Murray					28	30	27	1550
NEW	29	Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin					29		25	1450
NEW	30	Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S.					30	28		950
27		Our World - Blue Mink							26	875
B		Ride A White Swan - T. Rex						29		500
X		Shady Lady - Gene Pitney							29	350
23		Strange Band / The Weaver's Answer - Family
24		The Wonder Of You - Elvis Presley
29		Give Me Just A Little More Time - The Chairmen Of The Board

[MrTibbs]

It's a good week. Matthews Southern Comfort go top with their beautiful interpretation of Joni Mitchell's Woodstock. Luvverly !

[Splodj]

In comes Voodoe Chile released after Hendrix had died.

(QUOTE=Graham76man;n10694003]It wasn't normal for the presenter to play the records either. That was down to the engineer. [/QUOTE]
Funnily enough it was Luxembourg who at this time clung on to having an engineer play the records, due to a union agreement. The djs hated it because they could not control the overall sound of their shows. In Luxy's Paris studio Rosko got round it by getting the engineer to sit doing nothing on full pay. On Radio 1, right from the start, most djs were self-op.

[MrTibbs]

Ah !. Now I never knew that about Luxembourg, I always assumed it was the DJ's themselves who played the records on their shows, even the Top Twenty show.

[Robbie]

It's a good week. Matthews Southern Comfort go top with their beautiful interpretation of Joni Mitchell's Woodstock. Luvverly !

Yes, 'Woodstock' is a great single. Hearing the song takes me back to the 1970s. Not so much when the song was at number 1 as I was too young to remember it (the first record I can recall being at number 1 would be something from 1971 possibly either 'Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep' or 'Knock Three Times') but because for many years afterwards it was played quite regularly as an oldie on Radio 1. I have always loved the record and never get bored of hearing it. The sound itself is nostalgic and very dreamy.

[Graham76man]

The CCS track was NOT the A side - that was Boom Boom. The other side of course became the theme for Top of The Pops, though I'm not certain when that happened. I don't think it was being used on TOTP at this point.
Mary Hopkin by this time was disappointed with the material was getting to sing and dropped out of the Music scene for a while only to return in 1976 briefly. She was famous for winning Opportunity Knocks ( the X factor of the day). Was spotted by Twiggy, who told Paul McCartney to sign her up. Which he did to the new Apple Label in 1968.
The Four Tops record had the same track on both sides of it. However the A side was called "love" and the B side had "peace" on the end.

[Splodj]

CCS became TOTP theme tune this week, 5-Nov-70, according to the Popscene thread listing each episode.

[Robbie]

The CCS track was NOT the A side - that was Boom Boom. The other side of course became the theme for Top of The Pops, though I'm not certain when that happened. I don't think it was being used on TOTP at this point.
Mary Hopkin by this time was disappointed with the material was getting to sing and dropped out of the Music scene for a while only to return in 1976 briefly. She was famous for winning Opportunity Knocks ( the X factor of the day). Was spotted by Twiggy, who told Paul McCartney to sign her up. Which he did to the new Apple Label in 1968.
The Four Tops record had the same track on both sides of it. However the A side was called "love" and the B side had "peace" on the end.

Mary Hopkins did stay involved with the music industry although it may look like she disappeared until 1976. She married producer Tony Visconti in 1971 and decided to take a break from being a solo singer while she raised a family. She did continue to record though, appearing as a backing singer on many of her husband's productions. She was always credited under the name Mary Visconti.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 14th 1970

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 14th 1970							NME	MM	BMRB	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	200	250	175	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort					1	1	1	18750
2	2	Patches - Clarence Carter					2	3	2	17875
7	3	War - Edwin Starr					3	2	3	17750
4	4	Me And My Life - The Tremeloes					5	6	6	15825
3	5	Black Night - Deep Purple					4	4	11	15650
11	6	The Witch - The Rattles					6	5	8	15525
14	7	Indian Reservation - Don Fardon					7	8	4	15275
9	8	Ruby Tuesday - Melanie					8	9	9	13950
6	9	Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations					8	7	14	13575
22	10	Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					10	12	5	13500
5	11	Band Of Gold - Freda Payne					12	10	10	12725
8	12	Paranoid - Black Sabbath					13	11	13	11750
10	13	Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops					11	13	15	11300
21	14	San Bernadino - Christie					17	15	7	11000
15	15	It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin					14	14	12	10975
23	16	Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains					15	16	16	9575
12	17	(They Long To Be) Close To You - The Carpenters					16	18	20	8175
19	18	The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor					18	20	21	7100
30	19	Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S.					22	19	18	7075
13	20	Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross					19	17	25	6950
20	21	New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker					20	22	17	6900
24	22	Heaven Is Here - Julie Felix					21	21	22	6075
29	23	Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin					24	26	19	4750
17	24	Montego Bay - Bobby Bloom					26	24	23	4150
18	25	Gasolene Alley Bred - The Hollies					25	23	27	3900
16	26	You Can Get It If You Really Want - Desmond Dekker					27	27	24	3025
NEW	27	Ride A White Swan - T. Rex					29	25	30	2075
NEW	28	Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond					23		29	1950
NEW	29	I've Lost You - Rlvis Presley							26	875
NEW	30	More Good Old Rock'N'Roll - The Dave Clark Five					27			800
28		Snowbird - Anne Murray						28		750
X		Julie Da Ya Love Me - Bobby Sherman							28	525
B		In My Chair - Status Quo						29		500
27		Get Up I Feel Like Being A Sex Machine - James Brown						30		250
B		You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board					30			200
25		Black Pearl - Horace Faith
26		Which Way You Goin' Billy - The Poppy Family

[Robbie]

^
Witches and vodoo in the top 10? It's magic!

[Graham76man]

Rlvis Presley

[MrTibbs]

And then there's the Black Pearl

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 21st 1970

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 21st 1970							NME	MM	BMRB	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	200	250	175	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort					1	1	2	18575
3	2	War - Edwin Starr					2	2	5	17600
7	3	Indian Reservation - Don Fardon					3	3	3	17500
10	4	Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					5	4	1	17200
2	5	Patches - Clarence Carter					4	5	4	16625
14	6	San Bernadino - Christie					6	6	7	15450
6	7	The Witch - The Rattles					7	7	8	14825
15	8	It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin					11	9	6	13875
8	9	Ruby Tuesday - Melanie					8	10	9	13700
16	10	Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains					10	8	13	13100
4	11	Me And My Life - The Tremeloes					9	11	12	12725
5	12	Black Night - Deep Purple					14	13	11	11400
28	13	Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond					12	18	10	10725
9	14	Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations					15	14	14	10425
19	15	Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S.					13	12	20	10275
11	16	Band Of Gold - Freda Payne					20	15	17	8650
13	17	Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops					18	16	18	8625
27	18	Ride A White Swan - T. Rex					22	17	15	8100
NEW	19	I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile					16	22	16	7875
12	20	Paranoid - Black Sabbath					17	19	26	6675
23	21	Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin					21	20	22	6325
29	22	I've Lost You - Elvis Presley					19	23	23	5800
21	23	New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker					23	24	21	5100
NEW	24	You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board					24	29	19	4000
17	25	(They Long To Be) Close To You - The Carpenters					26	21	29	3850
22	26	Heaven Is Here - Julie Felix					28	26	28	2375
18	27	The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor					25	27	30	2375
20	28	Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross					28	25		2100
NEW	29	In My Chair - Status Quo						30	24	1475
NEW	30	It's A Shame - The Spinners							25	1050
B		I'll Be There - The Jackson Five					27			800
B		Snowbird - Anne Murray						28		750
X		Baby I Won't Let You Down - Pickettywitch							27	700
30		More Good Old Rock'N'Roll - The Dave Clark Five					30			200
24		Montego Bay - Bobby Bloom
25		Gasolene Alley Bred - The Hollies
26		You Can Get It If You Really Want - Desmond Dekker

[MrTibbs]

Edwin Starr declares 'War' on Matthews Southern but will make a hasty retreat next week. The late Jimi Hendrix too has an eye on the top spot which really would be a fitting tribute to this wizard of the guitar.

I liked Melanie's cover version of Ruby Tuesday but not a patch on The Rolling Stones original which blew me away. Climbing too the outstanding Cracklin' Rosie from Neil Diamond overshadowed now for some reason by Sweet Caroline but for my money Rosie was sweeter than Caroline.

T. Rex climb too with just a taste of what's to come in 1971, and in storms Dave Edmunds who will knock on the door of #1 then smash his way in.

The Chairmen debut with another great single and in at #30, well it's The Spinners, so let's forget the Motown and Detroit nonsense, and it isn't a shame, it's a stunning single.

[Robbie]

'Sweet Caroline' has more singalong qualities to it which is probably why it is now Neil Diamond's most popular song. I was never too keen on T. Rex, I've always found Marc Bolan's vocals to be too thin and weak. It may just be a case of T. Rex's chart busting days were just before my time of following the charts and Marc and the band were successful in the period where I was only really noticing the more poppy chart hits. The twee, but lovely, 'Snowbird' by Anne Murray, falls from the UAC top 30 after just a week but given its meandering BMRB chart run it will be back.

[Splodj]

The charts could not agree on what was number one between 'Woodstock' and 'Knocking'. BMRB and NME said Hendrix; MM and Top Pops said Fardon.

[MrTibbs]

Anne Murray's gorgeous Snowbird deserved to be a much bigger hit than it was. For some reason it never took flight, pardon the pun, as it really deserved to.

[MrTibbs]

The charts could not agree on what was number one between 'Woodstock' and 'Knocking'. BMRB and NME said Hendrix; MM and Top Pops said Fardon.

There's a surprise , not, that the charts couldn't agree. Occasional weeks I think the sales of records at the very top of the chart were very close which perhaps led to this to some degree depending on which stores were sampled by the papers.

[Graham76man]

Dave Edmunds was on the new MAM label, set up by Tom Jones manager as a tax dodge for Tom. There are two versions of the single out at the same time. One credits Rockpile, the other just Dave Edmunds.
You shouldn't remove the Motown from the Spinners. There was an English Folk Group very much on the go at that time called the Spinners. It's not nonsense - plus it was on the record label. But you are not really interested in facts or getting credits right, which contradicts what you have said previously way back in this thread.

https://therealchart.blogspot.com/p/...0s-charts.html
The Real Chart for 1970 is now complete (as is 1976). The best sellers will be there next week.

[Metalweb]

It's hardly surprising the (Motown) Spinners were renamed for the UK market - the UK folk group of the same name were all over the TV in the early '70s and had their own TV show for years.

[Graham76man]

It's hardly surprising the (Motown) Spinners were renamed for the UK market - the UK folk group of the same name were all over the TV in the early '70s and had their own TV show for years.

Quite true, but why did the USA group become the "Detroit" Spinners later on? Was it due to them leaving Motown Records and the company not allowing them to use it? Or did the change it because it sounds better, or what?

It's the guitar introduction that really makes that record "It's A Shame". It makes it sound more modern than many of the tracks in the top 30 of 1970. Some of which are still heavily 60's still. If you didn't know it was from 1970 you would date it to at least 1974, 75 or 1976.

[Metalweb]

Quite true, but why did the USA group become the "Detroit" Spinners later on? Was it due to them leaving Motown Records and the company not allowing them to use it? Or did the change it because it sounds better, or what?

I suppose it wouldn't be logical to keep calling them 'The Motown Spinners' when they were on Atlantic - probably neither record company would approve!

Maybe the name 'Detroit Spinners' was chosen because The Detroit Emeralds were also having hits here around this time.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 28th 1970

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 28th 1970							NME	MM	BMRB	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	200	250	175	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
4	1	Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					1	2	2	18325
3	2	Indian Reservation - Don Fardon					2	1	3	18200
19	3	I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile					3	5	1	17350
1	4	Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort					4	3	4	17125
2	5	War - Edwin Starr					6	4	6	16125
13	6	Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond					5	6	5	16000
10	7	Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains					9	7	10	14075
6	8	San Bernadino - Christie					7	8	11	14050
8	9	It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin					8	9	12	13425
18	10	Ride A White Swan - T. Rex					10	11	7	13400
5	11	Patches - Clarence Carter					11	10	8	13275
22	12	I've Lost You - Elvis Presley					13	13	9	11950
7	13	The Witch - The Rattles					12	12	15	11350
9	14	Ruby Tuesday - Melanie					14	15	14	10375
15	15	Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S.					16	16	13	9900
24	16	You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board					15	17	16	9325
11	17	Me And My Life - The Tremeloes					17	14	22	8625
21	18	Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin					23	21	19	6200
NEW	19	It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell					17	29	18	5575
14	20	Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations					19	19		5400
23	21	New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker					25	22	20	5375
NEW	22	When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint					19	24	24	5375
29	23	In My Chair - Status Quo					27	20	21	5300
12	24	Black Night - Deep Purple					24	18	28	5175
16	25	Band Of Gold - Freda Payne					22	23	25	4850
NEW	26	Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams					26	28	17	4200
NEW	27	I'll Be There - The Jackson Five					21	27	26	3875
NEW	28	My Prayer - Gerry Monroe					28		23	2000
30	29	It's A Shame - The Spinners					29	25		1900
17	30	Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops					30	26		1450
		Baby I Won't Let You Down - Pickettywitch							27	700
20		Paranoid - Black Sabbath						30	30	425
27		The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor							29	350
25		(They Long To Be) Close To You - The Carpenters								0
26		Heaven Is Here - Julie Felix								0
28		Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross								0