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  • Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 28th 1970

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 28th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    4 1 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 1 2 2 18325
    3 2 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 2 1 3 18200
    19 3 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 3 5 1 17350
    1 4 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 4 3 4 17125
    2 5 War - Edwin Starr 6 4 6 16125
    13 6 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 5 6 5 16000
    10 7 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 9 7 10 14075
    6 8 San Bernadino - Christie 7 8 11 14050
    8 9 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 8 9 12 13425
    18 10 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 10 11 7 13400
    5 11 Patches - Clarence Carter 11 10 8 13275
    22 12 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 13 13 9 11950
    7 13 The Witch - The Rattles 12 12 15 11350
    9 14 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 14 15 14 10375
    15 15 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 16 16 13 9900
    24 16 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 15 17 16 9325
    11 17 Me And My Life - The Tremeloes 17 14 22 8625
    21 18 Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin 23 21 19 6200
    NEW 19 It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell 17 29 18 5575
    14 20 Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations 19 19 5400
    23 21 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 25 22 20 5375
    NEW 22 When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 19 24 24 5375
    29 23 In My Chair - Status Quo 27 20 21 5300
    12 24 Black Night - Deep Purple 24 18 28 5175
    16 25 Band Of Gold - Freda Payne 22 23 25 4850
    NEW 26 Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams 26 28 17 4200
    NEW 27 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 21 27 26 3875
    NEW 28 My Prayer - Gerry Monroe 28 23 2000
    30 29 It's A Shame - The Spinners 29 25 1900
    17 30 Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops 30 26 1450
    Baby I Won't Let You Down - Pickettywitch 27 700
    20 Paranoid - Black Sabbath 30 30 425
    27 The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor 29 350
    25 (They Long To Be) Close To You - The Carpenters 0
    26 Heaven Is Here - Julie Felix 0
    28 Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross 0
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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    • #1 is split three way this week . An absolute gem debuts this week, When I'm Dead And Gone from McGuinness Flint. Wonderful stuff
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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      • I suppose it wouldn't be logical to keep calling them 'The Motown Spinners' when they were on Atlantic - probably neither record company would approve!

        Maybe the name 'Detroit Spinners' was chosen because The Detroit Emeralds were also having hits here around this time.
        That makes sense. Though they were from Detroit so the change to that would have been more logical.
        However looking at the discography of the band it seems they fluctuated back and forth between the names, even when the record was put out by Motown UK. From 1961 to 1965 they were just called the Spinners - even in the UK. They put out two record in 1967 and one in 1965 under the name Detroit Spinners, then in 1970 and 1971 they put out the two records on Motown as the Motown Spinners. The first record on Atlantic in 1972 they went back to The Spinners. All the rest of the releases were under Detroit Spinners.

        So it looks like it was all to the fact that the record companies couldn't make up the minds what to call them till 1973! They were all in a spin
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        • Greetings Pop Pickers

          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 5th 1970

          Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 5th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
          3 1 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 1 1 1 18750
          1 2 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 2 2 2 18125
          6 3 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 3 4 3 17250
          2 4 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 4 3 4 17125
          10 5 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 4 5 7 16100
          12 6 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 6 8 9 14600
          5 7 War - Edwin Starr 8 7 13 13750
          7 8 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 11 9 8 13525
          22 9 When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 9 12 6 13525
          16 10 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 14 10 5 13200
          4 11 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 15 6 11 12950
          9 12 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 13 11 10 12275
          8 13 San Bernadino - Christie 12 13 14 11275
          26 14 Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams 7 17 17 10750
          19 15 It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell 10 14 18 10725
          11 16 Patches - Clarence Carter 18 16 16 8975
          15 17 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 17 15 19 8900
          27 18 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 16 20 15 8550
          28 19 My Prayer - Gerry Monroe 19 23 12 7725
          13 20 The Witch - The Rattles 21 18 21 7000
          23 21 In My Chair - Status Quo 20 19 23 6600
          14 22 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 25 21 20 5625
          21 23 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 24 22 22 5225
          29 24 It's A Shame - The Spinners 22 26 26 3925
          18 25 Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin 23 24 3350
          17 26 Me And My Life - The Tremeloes 28 25 28 2625
          NEW 27 Lady Barbara - Peter Noone and Herman's Hermits 30 27 24 2425
          NEW 28 Nothing Rhymed - Gilbert O'Sullivan 26 28 30 1925
          NEW 29 My Way - Frank Sinatra 27 25 1850
          NEW 30 Blame It On The Pony Express - Johnny Johnson and The Bandwagon 29 27 1200
          25 Band Of Gold - Freda Payne 29 29 750
          Baby I Won't Let You Down - Pickettywitch 30 250
          20 Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations
          24 Black Night - Deep Purple
          30 Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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          • Greetings Pop Pickers

            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 12th 1970

            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 12th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
            1 1 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 1 1 1 18750
            3 2 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 2 2 3 17950
            9 3 When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 3 3 2 17675
            5 4 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 4 4 6 16525
            2 5 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 6 5 5 16050
            4 6 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 5 6 9 15300
            10 7 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 7 7 8 14825
            15 8 It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell 10 9 4 14425
            14 9 Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams 8 10 7 14050
            6 10 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 12 8 10 13225
            19 11 My Prayer - Gerry Monroe 9 13 12 12225
            18 12 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 11 12 13 11900
            8 13 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 14 11 14 11375
            28 14 Nothing Rhymed - Gilbert O'Sullivan 13 14 11 11350
            13 15 San Bernadino - Christie 16 17 15 9300
            12 16 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 15 18 19 8550
            7 17 War - Edwin Starr 19 15 20 8325
            11 18 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 17 16 21 8300
            17 19 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 21 19 18 7275
            27 20 Lady Barbara - Peter Noone and Herman's Hermits 24 20 16 6775
            30 21 Blame It On The Pony Express - Johnny Johnson and The Bandwagon 18 21 22 6675
            NEW 22 Grandad - Clive Dunn 24 27 17 4850
            24 23 It's A Shame - The Spinners 20 25 26 4575
            16 24 Patches - Clarence Carter 27 22 23 4450
            21 25 In My Chair - Status Quo 23 23 27 4300
            23 26 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 26 24 25 3800
            29 27 My Way - Frank Sinatra 22 30 24 3275
            22 28 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 27 26 2050
            20 29 The Witch - The Rattles 28 750
            NEW 30 Brokenhearted - Ken Dodd 29 30 675
            Snowbird - Anne Murray 28 525
            The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor 29 400
            B You're Ready Now - Frankie Valli 29 350
            B Apeman - The Kinks 30 200
            25 Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin
            26 Me And My Life - The Tremeloes
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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            • Here is the week I dreaded ! The abysmal monotonous Grandad by Clive Dunn arrived on it's merry way to the very top of the stack. Heaven Help Us
              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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              • Isn't My Way technically a re-entry, admittedly from 1969?

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                • Technically it could be either really. I went for new as it had left the chart for some time and it was its first chart appearance in 1970. But yeah I get it could be a re entry also.
                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                  • My Way never left the chart. By the end of 1970 it had amassed 91 weeks in the chart and sold over a million copies in 1970 alone! It continued into 1971 and probably was still in the top 100 in 1972. I would have tracked longer in 1971, but I made an error in the size of the weeks column which only allowed for two numbers not three. So I stopped at 100 weeks. Otherwise I would have had to spent ages resetting all the columns and moving them to accommodate the three figure weeks column. I will still have to do that when I eventually get to that week!

                    By the way the last BMRB chart of the year does have some faults in it. Frankie for instance drops down to 50 for no reason at all, he was at 23 on the Real Chart, that week.
                    There's no record of Clive Dunn appearing on TV singing that song till he reaches 17 in the BMRB chart. He then gets on TOTP to perform and there's other appearances that same week. That sends him to the runner up spot eventually, 6,000 records short of being the Christmas chart topper. Though he does spend a week at the top in the New Year.
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                    • Greetings Pop Pickers

                      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 19th 1970

                      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 19th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                      1 1 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 1 2 1 18500
                      3 2 When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 2 1 2 18375
                      2 3 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 3 4 3 17250
                      8 4 It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell 5 6 4 16175
                      9 5 Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams 4 5 7 16100
                      4 6 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 6 3 12 15325
                      14 7 Nothing Rhymed - Gilbert O'Sullivan 7 7 8 14825
                      7 8 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 8 8 10 14025
                      22 9 Grandad - Clive Dunn 8 11 6 13975
                      12 10 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 11 10 5 13800
                      11 11 My Prayer - Gerry Monroe 10 14 9 12300
                      6 12 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 13 9 13 12250
                      5 13 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 12 12 11 12050
                      10 14 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 14 13 14 10875
                      21 15 Blame It On The Pony Express - Johnny Johnson and The Bandwagon 15 16 15 9750
                      20 16 Lady Barbara - Peter Noone and Herman's Hermits 16 15 17 9450
                      13 17 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 17 17 16 8925
                      19 18 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 19 21 22 6475
                      23 19 It's A Shame - The Spinners 21 22 20 6175
                      17 20 War - Edwin Starr 20 18 27 6150
                      15 21 San Bernadino - Christie 23 20 23 5750
                      16 22 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 30 19 19 5300
                      18 23 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 24 23 21 5150
                      30 24 Brokenhearted - Ken Dodd 27 24 18 4825
                      27 25 My Way - Frank Sinatra 18 26 26 4725
                      NEW 26 Apeman - The Kinks 22 27 2800
                      25 27 In My Chair - Status Quo 25 25 2700
                      26 28 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 28 24 1975
                      NEW 29 My Way - Dorothy Squires 25 1050
                      NEW 30 Deeper And Deeper - Freda Payne 26 1000
                      Snowbird - Anne Murray 29 29 850
                      The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor 27 800
                      B You're Ready Now - Frankie Valli 29 30 650
                      24 Patches - Clarence Carter 28 525
                      B Heaven Help Us All - Stevie Wonder 30 175
                      28 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 0
                      29 The Witch - The Rattles 0
                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                      • Will Dave Edmunds hold on to be Christmas #1 ? Or will it go to Clive Dunn grrrrrrrrrr .
                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                        • T Rex goes up to 3 in MM yet down to 12 in BMRB!

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                          • Yeah that's another strange BMRB one as it will climb back into the BMRB top ten next week and continue climbing.
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                            • Strange behaviour by BMRB for 'Ride A White Swan'. It's almost like stocks of the single had ran out in some of the shops that made up the chart panel for that week.

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                              • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                                Strange behaviour by BMRB for 'Ride A White Swan'. It's almost like stocks of the single had ran out in some of the shops that made up the chart panel for that week.
                                That's actually a strong possible reason Robbie.
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                                • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

                                  That's actually a strong possible reason Robbie.
                                  Yes, it would have precedent - I Believe in 1953 suffered similar issues, hence falling and returning from number 1.
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                                  • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post

                                    Yes, it would have precedent - I Believe in 1953 suffered similar issues, hence falling and returning from number 1.
                                    Yeah I Believe achieved its 18 week run at #1 in three blocks 9, 6, and 3 weeks, allowing Eddie Fisher and Mantovani to snatch a week each.

                                    I think Guy Mitchell's Singing The Blues had the same fate. I remember reading that Philips couldn't keep up with the demand and that's what allowed Tommy Steele's version to have a week at the top before guy returned there.
                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                    • Still enjoying this thread Brian. Your presentation of competing charts is almost as interesting as your concluded averages. I’m looking especially forward to 55-59. The dealers’ charts from RM extending the official RM chart of the 50ies will not only make it possible to construct a more reliable and prolonged chart, but can also mean an impact on the average chart of these years. Do you happen to know when BL will reopen?

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                                      • Originally posted by kjell View Post
                                        Still enjoying this thread Brian. Your presentation of competing charts is almost as interesting as your concluded averages. I’m looking especially forward to 55-59. The dealers’ charts from RM extending the official RM chart of the 50ies will not only make it possible to construct a more reliable and prolonged chart, but can also mean an impact on the average chart of these years. Do you happen to know when BL will reopen?
                                        They are open Kjell but reduced hours and by appointment only. I'm waiting for normal service.

                                        But, another week or so and the 'fun' Ultimate Chart will finish in March 1971. The main purpose here remember was to highlight all the charts for this period side by side to compare how the sales chart looked in comparison to the points charts and displaying a fun average as a sideline.

                                        The serious next phase Ultimate Averaged Chart will be posted in a week commencing on October 1955 through December 1959. NME and RM till April 1956 when MM joins and then Disc from February 1958.

                                        I know you are looking forward to this period and hope all my other regular followers are too, to witness the birth and progress of the rock'n'roll era.
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                        • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                                          Strange behaviour by BMRB for 'Ride A White Swan'. It's almost like stocks of the single had ran out in some of the shops that made up the chart panel for that week.
                                          More likely that the shops were too busy to fill in the logs or the Post Office were too busy to get the chart returns in on time. It was Christmas and the Post Office would have that much mail that they just couldn't meet the chart deadlines. I think the later since none of the records fell that much sales wise. Perhaps it was the case that Mr Tibbs was right for once and BMRB got 175 returns and not 300
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                                          • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 26th 1970

                                            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 26th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
                                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                            2 1 When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 1 1 3 18400
                                            1 2 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 2 3 1 18050
                                            9 3 Grandad - Clive Dunn 3 2 2 17925
                                            4 4 It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell 4 4 4 16875
                                            3 5 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 5 6 6 15825
                                            5 6 Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams 6 7 7 15200
                                            6 7 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 7 5 10 14975
                                            10 8 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 9 9 5 14450
                                            7 9 Nothing Rhymed - Gilbert O'Sullivan 8 8 8 14375
                                            11 10 My Prayer - Gerry Monroe 11 12 9 12600
                                            15 11 Blame It On The Pony Express - Johnny Johnson and The Bandwagon 12 10 11 12550
                                            8 12 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 10 11 12 12525
                                            12 13 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 13 13 14 11075
                                            16 14 Lady Barbara - Peter Noone and Herman's Hermits 15 14 13 10600
                                            14 15 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 16 15 15 9800
                                            13 16 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 14 17 19 9000
                                            25 17 My Way - Frank Sinatra 17 18 18 8325
                                            26 18 Apeman - The Kinks 20 16 20 7875
                                            24 19 Brokenhearted - Ken Dodd 21 19 17 7450
                                            17 20 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 19 23 16 7025
                                            19 21 It's A Shame - The Spinners 18 20 27 6050
                                            18 22 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 22 21 24 5525
                                            NEW 23 You're Ready Now - Frankie Valli 22 21 4000
                                            28 24 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 29 27 22 2975
                                            NEW 25 Amazing Grace - Judy Collins 24 26 30 2825
                                            RE 26 Snowbird - Anne Murray 25 23 2600
                                            22 27 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 28 25 2100
                                            NEW 28 Black Skin Blue Eyed Boys - The Equals 30 24 1950
                                            20 29 War - Edwin Starr 27 26 1675
                                            21 30 San Bernadino - Christie 23 1600
                                            29 My Way - Dorothy Squires 30 25 1300
                                            23 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 25 1200
                                            30 Deeper And Deeper - Freda Payne 28 750
                                            Band Of Gold - Freda Payne 28 525
                                            B Heaven Help Us All - Stevie Wonder 29 500
                                            Patches - Clarence Carter 29 350
                                            B Lonely Days - The Bee Gees 30 200
                                            27 In My Chair - Status Quo
                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                            • And .. Justice is done. McGuinness Flint's absolutely sublime When I'm Dead And Gone takes pole position for the year end.

                                              The diversity in music at this time is exemplified in this last chart of the year. Something for everyone, rock, soul, old fashioned ballads, Northern Soul, sing-a-long, even a religious hymn. We can't say that about now, can we ?
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                              • By putting McGuinness Flint top this week, UAC & NME is steering a middle course between BMRB (who never had it no. 1) and MM & Top Pops (who had it no.1 for 3 weeks after only 2 for 'Knocking').

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                                                • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                                  By putting McGuinness Flint top this week, UAC & NME is steering a middle course between BMRB (who never had it no. 1) and MM & Top Pops (who had it no.1 for 3 weeks after only 2 for 'Knocking').
                                                  Whilst I enjoy looking at other charts I've never really rated Top Pops as a main player in the charts field. It only sampled around 12 stores and all W. H. Smith branches. As a result it often came up with even stranger chart movements than the often maligned RR chart. You have mentioned a few in the other thread relating to this. But like I say it is an interesting minor chart just the same for a chart freak like me lol.
                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                                  • I find it interesting that in its last few months, from Band Of Gold on, Top Pops had the same number one each week as MM during what was not a period of general concensus in chartdom!

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