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  • #1 is split three way this week . An absolute gem debuts this week, When I'm Dead And Gone from McGuinness Flint. Wonderful stuff
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    • I suppose it wouldn't be logical to keep calling them 'The Motown Spinners' when they were on Atlantic - probably neither record company would approve!

      Maybe the name 'Detroit Spinners' was chosen because The Detroit Emeralds were also having hits here around this time.
      That makes sense. Though they were from Detroit so the change to that would have been more logical.
      However looking at the discography of the band it seems they fluctuated back and forth between the names, even when the record was put out by Motown UK. From 1961 to 1965 they were just called the Spinners - even in the UK. They put out two record in 1967 and one in 1965 under the name Detroit Spinners, then in 1970 and 1971 they put out the two records on Motown as the Motown Spinners. The first record on Atlantic in 1972 they went back to The Spinners. All the rest of the releases were under Detroit Spinners.

      So it looks like it was all to the fact that the record companies couldn't make up the minds what to call them till 1973! They were all in a spin
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      • Greetings Pop Pickers

        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 5th 1970

        Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 5th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
        3 1 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 1 1 1 18750
        1 2 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 2 2 2 18125
        6 3 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 3 4 3 17250
        2 4 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 4 3 4 17125
        10 5 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 4 5 7 16100
        12 6 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 6 8 9 14600
        5 7 War - Edwin Starr 8 7 13 13750
        7 8 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 11 9 8 13525
        22 9 When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 9 12 6 13525
        16 10 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 14 10 5 13200
        4 11 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 15 6 11 12950
        9 12 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 13 11 10 12275
        8 13 San Bernadino - Christie 12 13 14 11275
        26 14 Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams 7 17 17 10750
        19 15 It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell 10 14 18 10725
        11 16 Patches - Clarence Carter 18 16 16 8975
        15 17 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 17 15 19 8900
        27 18 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 16 20 15 8550
        28 19 My Prayer - Gerry Monroe 19 23 12 7725
        13 20 The Witch - The Rattles 21 18 21 7000
        23 21 In My Chair - Status Quo 20 19 23 6600
        14 22 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 25 21 20 5625
        21 23 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 24 22 22 5225
        29 24 It's A Shame - The Spinners 22 26 26 3925
        18 25 Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin 23 24 3350
        17 26 Me And My Life - The Tremeloes 28 25 28 2625
        NEW 27 Lady Barbara - Peter Noone and Herman's Hermits 30 27 24 2425
        NEW 28 Nothing Rhymed - Gilbert O'Sullivan 26 28 30 1925
        NEW 29 My Way - Frank Sinatra 27 25 1850
        NEW 30 Blame It On The Pony Express - Johnny Johnson and The Bandwagon 29 27 1200
        25 Band Of Gold - Freda Payne 29 29 750
        Baby I Won't Let You Down - Pickettywitch 30 250
        20 Ball Of Confusion - The Temptations
        24 Black Night - Deep Purple
        30 Still Water (Love) - The Four Tops
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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        • Greetings Pop Pickers

          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 12th 1970

          Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 12th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 1 1 1 18750
          3 2 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 2 2 3 17950
          9 3 When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 3 3 2 17675
          5 4 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 4 4 6 16525
          2 5 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 6 5 5 16050
          4 6 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 5 6 9 15300
          10 7 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 7 7 8 14825
          15 8 It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell 10 9 4 14425
          14 9 Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams 8 10 7 14050
          6 10 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 12 8 10 13225
          19 11 My Prayer - Gerry Monroe 9 13 12 12225
          18 12 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 11 12 13 11900
          8 13 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 14 11 14 11375
          28 14 Nothing Rhymed - Gilbert O'Sullivan 13 14 11 11350
          13 15 San Bernadino - Christie 16 17 15 9300
          12 16 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 15 18 19 8550
          7 17 War - Edwin Starr 19 15 20 8325
          11 18 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 17 16 21 8300
          17 19 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 21 19 18 7275
          27 20 Lady Barbara - Peter Noone and Herman's Hermits 24 20 16 6775
          30 21 Blame It On The Pony Express - Johnny Johnson and The Bandwagon 18 21 22 6675
          NEW 22 Grandad - Clive Dunn 24 27 17 4850
          24 23 It's A Shame - The Spinners 20 25 26 4575
          16 24 Patches - Clarence Carter 27 22 23 4450
          21 25 In My Chair - Status Quo 23 23 27 4300
          23 26 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 26 24 25 3800
          29 27 My Way - Frank Sinatra 22 30 24 3275
          22 28 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 27 26 2050
          20 29 The Witch - The Rattles 28 750
          NEW 30 Brokenhearted - Ken Dodd 29 30 675
          Snowbird - Anne Murray 28 525
          The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor 29 400
          B You're Ready Now - Frankie Valli 29 350
          B Apeman - The Kinks 30 200
          25 Think About Your Children - Mary Hopkin
          26 Me And My Life - The Tremeloes
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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          • Here is the week I dreaded ! The abysmal monotonous Grandad by Clive Dunn arrived on it's merry way to the very top of the stack. Heaven Help Us
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            • Isn't My Way technically a re-entry, admittedly from 1969?

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              • Technically it could be either really. I went for new as it had left the chart for some time and it was its first chart appearance in 1970. But yeah I get it could be a re entry also.
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                • My Way never left the chart. By the end of 1970 it had amassed 91 weeks in the chart and sold over a million copies in 1970 alone! It continued into 1971 and probably was still in the top 100 in 1972. I would have tracked longer in 1971, but I made an error in the size of the weeks column which only allowed for two numbers not three. So I stopped at 100 weeks. Otherwise I would have had to spent ages resetting all the columns and moving them to accommodate the three figure weeks column. I will still have to do that when I eventually get to that week!

                  By the way the last BMRB chart of the year does have some faults in it. Frankie for instance drops down to 50 for no reason at all, he was at 23 on the Real Chart, that week.
                  There's no record of Clive Dunn appearing on TV singing that song till he reaches 17 in the BMRB chart. He then gets on TOTP to perform and there's other appearances that same week. That sends him to the runner up spot eventually, 6,000 records short of being the Christmas chart topper. Though he does spend a week at the top in the New Year.
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                  • Greetings Pop Pickers

                    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 19th 1970

                    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 19th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                    1 1 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 1 2 1 18500
                    3 2 When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 2 1 2 18375
                    2 3 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 3 4 3 17250
                    8 4 It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell 5 6 4 16175
                    9 5 Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams 4 5 7 16100
                    4 6 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 6 3 12 15325
                    14 7 Nothing Rhymed - Gilbert O'Sullivan 7 7 8 14825
                    7 8 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 8 8 10 14025
                    22 9 Grandad - Clive Dunn 8 11 6 13975
                    12 10 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 11 10 5 13800
                    11 11 My Prayer - Gerry Monroe 10 14 9 12300
                    6 12 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 13 9 13 12250
                    5 13 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 12 12 11 12050
                    10 14 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 14 13 14 10875
                    21 15 Blame It On The Pony Express - Johnny Johnson and The Bandwagon 15 16 15 9750
                    20 16 Lady Barbara - Peter Noone and Herman's Hermits 16 15 17 9450
                    13 17 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 17 17 16 8925
                    19 18 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 19 21 22 6475
                    23 19 It's A Shame - The Spinners 21 22 20 6175
                    17 20 War - Edwin Starr 20 18 27 6150
                    15 21 San Bernadino - Christie 23 20 23 5750
                    16 22 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 30 19 19 5300
                    18 23 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 24 23 21 5150
                    30 24 Brokenhearted - Ken Dodd 27 24 18 4825
                    27 25 My Way - Frank Sinatra 18 26 26 4725
                    NEW 26 Apeman - The Kinks 22 27 2800
                    25 27 In My Chair - Status Quo 25 25 2700
                    26 28 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 28 24 1975
                    NEW 29 My Way - Dorothy Squires 25 1050
                    NEW 30 Deeper And Deeper - Freda Payne 26 1000
                    Snowbird - Anne Murray 29 29 850
                    The Tips Of My Fingers - Des O'Connor 27 800
                    B You're Ready Now - Frankie Valli 29 30 650
                    24 Patches - Clarence Carter 28 525
                    B Heaven Help Us All - Stevie Wonder 30 175
                    28 Ruby Tuesday - Melanie 0
                    29 The Witch - The Rattles 0
                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                    • Will Dave Edmunds hold on to be Christmas #1 ? Or will it go to Clive Dunn grrrrrrrrrr .
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                      • T Rex goes up to 3 in MM yet down to 12 in BMRB!

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                        • Yeah that's another strange BMRB one as it will climb back into the BMRB top ten next week and continue climbing.
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                          • Strange behaviour by BMRB for 'Ride A White Swan'. It's almost like stocks of the single had ran out in some of the shops that made up the chart panel for that week.

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                            • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                              Strange behaviour by BMRB for 'Ride A White Swan'. It's almost like stocks of the single had ran out in some of the shops that made up the chart panel for that week.
                              That's actually a strong possible reason Robbie.
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                              • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

                                That's actually a strong possible reason Robbie.
                                Yes, it would have precedent - I Believe in 1953 suffered similar issues, hence falling and returning from number 1.
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                                • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post

                                  Yes, it would have precedent - I Believe in 1953 suffered similar issues, hence falling and returning from number 1.
                                  Yeah I Believe achieved its 18 week run at #1 in three blocks 9, 6, and 3 weeks, allowing Eddie Fisher and Mantovani to snatch a week each.

                                  I think Guy Mitchell's Singing The Blues had the same fate. I remember reading that Philips couldn't keep up with the demand and that's what allowed Tommy Steele's version to have a week at the top before guy returned there.
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                                  • Still enjoying this thread Brian. Your presentation of competing charts is almost as interesting as your concluded averages. I’m looking especially forward to 55-59. The dealers’ charts from RM extending the official RM chart of the 50ies will not only make it possible to construct a more reliable and prolonged chart, but can also mean an impact on the average chart of these years. Do you happen to know when BL will reopen?

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                                    • Originally posted by kjell View Post
                                      Still enjoying this thread Brian. Your presentation of competing charts is almost as interesting as your concluded averages. I’m looking especially forward to 55-59. The dealers’ charts from RM extending the official RM chart of the 50ies will not only make it possible to construct a more reliable and prolonged chart, but can also mean an impact on the average chart of these years. Do you happen to know when BL will reopen?
                                      They are open Kjell but reduced hours and by appointment only. I'm waiting for normal service.

                                      But, another week or so and the 'fun' Ultimate Chart will finish in March 1971. The main purpose here remember was to highlight all the charts for this period side by side to compare how the sales chart looked in comparison to the points charts and displaying a fun average as a sideline.

                                      The serious next phase Ultimate Averaged Chart will be posted in a week commencing on October 1955 through December 1959. NME and RM till April 1956 when MM joins and then Disc from February 1958.

                                      I know you are looking forward to this period and hope all my other regular followers are too, to witness the birth and progress of the rock'n'roll era.
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                      • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                                        Strange behaviour by BMRB for 'Ride A White Swan'. It's almost like stocks of the single had ran out in some of the shops that made up the chart panel for that week.
                                        More likely that the shops were too busy to fill in the logs or the Post Office were too busy to get the chart returns in on time. It was Christmas and the Post Office would have that much mail that they just couldn't meet the chart deadlines. I think the later since none of the records fell that much sales wise. Perhaps it was the case that Mr Tibbs was right for once and BMRB got 175 returns and not 300
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                                        • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 26th 1970

                                          Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders ''

                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 26th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
                                          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 175 Points
                                          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                          2 1 When I'm Dead And Gone - McGuinness Flint 1 1 3 18400
                                          1 2 I Hear You Knocking - The Dave Edmunds Rockpile 2 3 1 18050
                                          9 3 Grandad - Clive Dunn 3 2 2 17925
                                          4 4 It's Only Make Believe - Glen Campbell 4 4 4 16875
                                          3 5 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond 5 6 6 15825
                                          5 6 Home Lovin' Man - Andy Williams 6 7 7 15200
                                          6 7 Ride A White Swan - T. Rex 7 5 10 14975
                                          10 8 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five 9 9 5 14450
                                          7 9 Nothing Rhymed - Gilbert O'Sullivan 8 8 8 14375
                                          11 10 My Prayer - Gerry Monroe 11 12 9 12600
                                          15 11 Blame It On The Pony Express - Johnny Johnson and The Bandwagon 12 10 11 12550
                                          8 12 You've Got Me Dangling On A String - The Chairmen Of The Board 10 11 12 12525
                                          12 13 Indian Reservation - Don Fardon 13 13 14 11075
                                          16 14 Lady Barbara - Peter Noone and Herman's Hermits 15 14 13 10600
                                          14 15 I've Lost You - Elvis Presley 16 15 15 9800
                                          13 16 Voodoo Chile - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 14 17 19 9000
                                          25 17 My Way - Frank Sinatra 17 18 18 8325
                                          26 18 Apeman - The Kinks 20 16 20 7875
                                          24 19 Brokenhearted - Ken Dodd 21 19 17 7450
                                          17 20 Julie Do Ya Love Me - White Plains 19 23 16 7025
                                          19 21 It's A Shame - The Spinners 18 20 27 6050
                                          18 22 Whole Lotta Love - C.C.S. 22 21 24 5525
                                          NEW 23 You're Ready Now - Frankie Valli 22 21 4000
                                          28 24 New World In The Morning - Roger Whittaker 29 27 22 2975
                                          NEW 25 Amazing Grace - Judy Collins 24 26 30 2825
                                          RE 26 Snowbird - Anne Murray 25 23 2600
                                          22 27 It's Wonderful - Jimmy Ruffin 28 25 2100
                                          NEW 28 Black Skin Blue Eyed Boys - The Equals 30 24 1950
                                          20 29 War - Edwin Starr 27 26 1675
                                          21 30 San Bernadino - Christie 23 1600
                                          29 My Way - Dorothy Squires 30 25 1300
                                          23 Woodstock - Matthews Southern Comfort 25 1200
                                          30 Deeper And Deeper - Freda Payne 28 750
                                          Band Of Gold - Freda Payne 28 525
                                          B Heaven Help Us All - Stevie Wonder 29 500
                                          Patches - Clarence Carter 29 350
                                          B Lonely Days - The Bee Gees 30 200
                                          27 In My Chair - Status Quo
                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                          • And .. Justice is done. McGuinness Flint's absolutely sublime When I'm Dead And Gone takes pole position for the year end.

                                            The diversity in music at this time is exemplified in this last chart of the year. Something for everyone, rock, soul, old fashioned ballads, Northern Soul, sing-a-long, even a religious hymn. We can't say that about now, can we ?
                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                            • By putting McGuinness Flint top this week, UAC & NME is steering a middle course between BMRB (who never had it no. 1) and MM & Top Pops (who had it no.1 for 3 weeks after only 2 for 'Knocking').

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                                              • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                                By putting McGuinness Flint top this week, UAC & NME is steering a middle course between BMRB (who never had it no. 1) and MM & Top Pops (who had it no.1 for 3 weeks after only 2 for 'Knocking').
                                                Whilst I enjoy looking at other charts I've never really rated Top Pops as a main player in the charts field. It only sampled around 12 stores and all W. H. Smith branches. As a result it often came up with even stranger chart movements than the often maligned RR chart. You have mentioned a few in the other thread relating to this. But like I say it is an interesting minor chart just the same for a chart freak like me lol.
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                                                • I find it interesting that in its last few months, from Band Of Gold on, Top Pops had the same number one each week as MM during what was not a period of general concensus in chartdom!

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                                                  • I never knew 'When I'm Dead And Gone' was a MM as well as a NME number 1. So the UAC number 1 differs to the BMRB. I don't think I knew of the McGuinness Flint single until the mid 1970s and remember being a bit underwhelmed by it. When I found out it had been a (RR/MW) number 2 hit I was quite surprised. The chorus is decent but the verses are a bit bland. And it's the UAC Christmas Number One for 1970 - not very festive!

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