Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • braindeadpj
    replied
    Originally posted by Woz1234 View Post
    You've got "A Girl Like You" - Cliff Richard twice on last chart, should be in UAC Top 30 @ #29 with 360 points.
    390 points. Still at 29 though.

    Leave a comment:


  • setg1
    replied
    Non-English songs in the UK charts have always been rare, but they used to be at least a little more common than they are now. In addition to the ones already mentioned, there were two in the top 30 (both NME and the combined chart) simultaneously in June 1960: "Milord" by Édith Piaf (in French) and "Mustapha" by Bob Azzam (French, Spanish and Arabic – almost certainly the only chart hit with that combination of languages). Though some of them were also recorded by other artists in English, which might have helped them chart.

    One of the many things that make charts from the earlier decades much more interesting than the ones today (and it also helps that the songs in question are nice to listen to even without understanding the lyrics)...

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    therefore he will always be the consummate DJ synonymous with Pick Of The Pops.
    Freeman says he only got the gig because Jacobs refused to do that Trad Tavern lark, so it served a useful purpose!

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
    It has to be a really good song before the UK public take to foreign language record!
    Although my avatar got to number 28 in NME (31 in RR) with a record completely in French.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpzllq4SCk

    They should have waited and issued the English version instead that she recorded later!

    Leave a comment:


  • Woz1234
    replied
    You've got "A Girl Like You" - Cliff Richard twice on last chart, should be in UAC Top 30 @ #29 with 360 points.

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    ''The show was however carefully scripted even down to his his catch phrase saying! ''

    Maybe we are needing them carefully scripted again nowadays then because today's shows can't hold a candle to sixties and seventies radio shows.

    Then we had dedicated professional DJ's though not others trying their hand at it and making a pigs ear of it. Graham Norton springs to mind among others.

    The Radio Luxembourg DJ's were really good, Bob Stewart, Paul Burnett, Tony Prince, Emperor Roscoe 'your royal ruler'.

    To me the only professional DJ around now is Paul Gambaccini. His American chart show back in the seventies and early eighties was a must to listen to, and a pleasure. His style now harks back to how it should be done.

    Leave a comment:


  • Graham76man
    commented on 's reply
    The show was however carefully scripted even down to his his catch phrase saying!

  • Graham76man
    replied
    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    It was a strange phenomenon that sometimes a record would make one of the music paper top twenties but not appear in any other list, not even those with a top thirty or top fifty. Pepito just seemed to appear out of nowhere.
    45 Cat list it as being out in July and a review in Melody Maker is dated 15 July 1961. So it was hitting the charts a bit late.
    Using the owns versus chart position, with 17 owns would put it between 45 and 41 in the charts. So a top 30 place isn't likely for the record. A top 30 to 21 place would need about 20 to 30 owns.
    And if you do the most collected for September 61 (UK only) search on 45 Cat, the results show that at least 17 is needed to get to 50. Combined with the big sellers from previous months, once again it's unlikely that the record would have been top 30.
    That doesn't mean it was being fiddled though. It would depend on Record Mirror's shops. They could have had a slight region inbalance, that might explain it being high. Areas for example that have lots of people taking Spanish holidays over the summer, for example! Though at this time going to Spain for a holiday was not common.
    However just asking for "Los Machucambos" would have been a problem - how to say it!... And the fact it's a Spanish record opens up the bag of the foreign language problem on the UK charts. Not really a racist thing, more a I don't understand what they are singing about thing. It has to be a really good song before the UK public take to foreign language record!

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Without a shadow of a doubt 'Fluff' is my all time favourite DJ, I loved his presentation style. The style of the show at that time was classic, no frills, no rubbish, no gimmicks, no inane chatter, just get on and play the songs, therefore he will always be the consummate DJ synonymous with Pick Of The Pops.

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    David Jacobs last 'Pick of the Pops' this week, handing over to Alan Freeman.

    From next week POTP will be split into 3 segments and incorporated into the 'Trad Tavern' programme. Freeman presented his bits live in front of an audience who would clap, cheer and whistle after each record! It looks like the BBC realised this arrangement didn't work well as it only lasted until the end of the year.

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 16th 1961


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 16th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Johnny Remember Me - John Leyton 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    2 2 You Don't Know - Helen Shapiro 2 2 3 2 3 3 9430
    5 3 Wild In The Country / I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 3 4 2 3 2 4 9240
    8 4 Kon-Tiki - The Shadows 4 3 4 5 4 7 8790
    3 5 Reach For The Stars / Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 5 5 5 4 5 2 8780
    4 6 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 6 7 8 6 6 5 8080
    14 7 Michael Row The Boat / Lumbered - Lonnie Donegan 7 6 6 10 8 14 7470
    7 8 Romeo - Petula Clark 8 10 7 8 7 12 7420
    6 9 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 9 14 13 7 11 6 6830
    11 10 Cupid - Sam Cooke 10 8 9 13 12 11 6690
    25 11 Michael - The Highwaymen 13= 9 10 11 20 19 6130
    12 12 Ain't Gonna Wash For A Week - The Brook Brothers 13= 18 12 9 13 13 6040
    9 13 That's My Home - Mr. Acker Bilk 11 11 16 15 10 8 6000
    10 14 Quarter To Three - The U.S. Bonds 12 13 20 12 14 9 5700
    13 15 How Many Tears - Bobby Vee 16 16 17 16 9 10 5420
    21 16 Together - Connie Francis 15 12 11 14 15 5390
    18 17 Hats Off To Larry - Del Shannon 19 19 14 18 17 20 4440
    NEW 18 Jealousy - Billy Fury 18 15 15 19 18 24 4420
    27 19 Get Lost - Eden Kane 17 17 17 16 3410
    16 20 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 20 23 19 16 1690
    23 21 Marcheta - Karl Denver 30 20 18 1680
    26 22 Sea Of Heartbreak - Don Gibson 22 18 28 1590
    28 23 Drivin' Home - Duane Eddy 24 19 1280
    30 24 Someday (You'll Be Sorry) - Kenny Ball 20 29 940
    15 25 Time - Craig Douglas 26 23 640
    NEW 26 You'll Answer To Me - Cleo Laine 25 480
    22 27 Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 15 480
    17 28 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 17 420
    20 29 A Girl Like You - Cliff Richard 28 26 390
    24 30 Don't You Know It - Adam Faith 21 300
    Baby I Don't Care / Valley Of Tears - Buddy Holly 22 270
    Wheels Cha Cha - Joe Loss 25 180
    Breakaway - The Springfields 29 160
    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 27 120
    Say It With Flowers - Dorothy Squires and Russ Conway 30 30
    I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 20
    Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 26

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    It was a strange phenomenon that sometimes a record would make one of the music paper top twenties but not appear in any other list, not even those with a top thirty or top fifty. Pepito just seemed to appear out of nowhere.

    Leave a comment:


  • setg1
    replied
    Another strange chart occurrence: Los Machucambos reaching the top 20 in Record Mirror, but failing to make any of the other charts (including Record Retailer's top 50)! I wonder what happened there...

    "Pepito" was a big hit in several European countries – and an excellent and very catchy song to boot! I was surprised to find out it was actually written by two Americans with a supposedly limited knowledge of Spanish (I remember reading an online interview with one of the band members mentioning how they had to replace some of the more nonsensical lyrics from Elena Madera's original version).

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Further to my post about survey periods, I see that RM actually specified each week that their charts were for the week ending the previous Saturday.

    RR using a week ending Friday seems the most likely explanation for their lagging, as you can imagine their lower new entry positions reflecting one day of sales and the others two days.
    Yeah and as Saturday accounted for most record sales that could explain the RR deficit.

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    Further to my post about survey periods, I see that RM actually specified each week that their charts were for the week ending the previous Saturday.

    RR using a week ending Friday seems the most likely explanation for their lagging, as you can imagine their lower new entry positions reflecting one day of sales and the others two days.

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Again, take a look at the difference in chart positions for the New Entries with RR way out of touch.

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 9th 1961


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 9th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Johnny Remember Me - John Leyton 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    2 2 You Don't Know - Helen Shapiro 2 2 2 2 2 2 9570
    3 3 Reach For The Stars / Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 3 4 4 3 3 3 9100
    4 4 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 5 5 5 4 5 5 8690
    NEW 5 Wild In The Country / I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 4 3 3 5 4 17 8550
    6 6 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 7 8 6 6 8 4 8050
    5 7 Romeo - Petula Clark 6 7 8 7 7 6 7890
    NEW 8 Kon-Tiki - The Shadows 8 6 7 8 13 24 7080
    13 9 That's My Home - Mr. Acker Bilk 10= 9 11 11 14 7 6730
    7 10 Quarter To Three - The U.S. Bonds 9 12 13 10 9 9 6670
    12 11 Cupid - Sam Cooke 10= 11 12 13 10 12 6340
    16 12 Ain't Gonna Was For A Week - The Brook Brothers 12= 22 10 9 6 19 6010
    15 13 How Many Tears - Bobby Vee 12= 10 17 14 12 11 5940
    21 14 Michael Row The Boat / Lumbered - Lonnie Donegan 14 15 9 19 11 21 5220
    8 15 Time - Craig Douglas 18 13 15 15 19 20 5090
    11 16 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 16 13 12 16 10 4910
    9 17 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 17 18 20 17 18 15 4370
    NEW 18 Hats Off To Larry - Del Shannon 16 18 2330
    17 19 Temptation - The Everly Brothers 20 26 16 22 2320
    10 20 A Girl Like You - Cliff Richard 15 16 17 18 2290
    NEW 21 Together - Connie Francis 21 20 2010
    14 22 Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 19 27 15 14 1630
    18 23 Marcheta - Karl Denver 23 8 1330
    20 24 Don't You Know It - Adam Faith 29 20 13 1250
    NEW 25 Michael - The Highwaymen 17 1120
    NEW 26 Sea Of Heartbreak - Don Gibson 14 1020
    NEW 27 Get Lost - Eden Kane 20 880
    NEW 28 Drivin' Home - Duane Eddy 18 780
    23 29 Pepito - Los Machucambos 19 720
    22 30 Someday (You'll Be Sorry) - Kenny Ball 24 28 650
    Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 19
    Jealousy - Billy Fury 25 480
    Baby I Don't Care / Valley Of Tears - Buddy Holly 16 450
    What Kind Of Fool Am I - Anthony Newley 27 320
    Wheels Cha Cha - Joe Loss 23 240
    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 25 180
    You'll Answer To Me - Cleo Laine 29 160
    True Love - Terry Lightfoot 29 160
    Runaway - Del Shannon 26 150
    Weekend - Eddie Cochran 27 120
    Quite A Party - The Fireballs 29 60
    The Frightened City - The Shadows 30 30

    Leave a comment:


  • Metalweb
    replied
    Also:

    The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore / I Can't Let go

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    There are 8 times I can think of ...

    Answer Me (2 versions)
    Singing the blues / Garden of England
    On the street where you live / All I have to do is dream
    What do you want / What do you want to make those eyes at me for?
    this one
    Tower of Strength / Take good care of my baby
    Please please me / The Wayward Wind
    For your love / The Minute You're Gone
    Last edited by Splodj; Thu February 18, 2021, 16:51.

    Leave a comment:


  • brian05
    replied
    So a joint no. 1 in NME this week.
    How often did that happen?

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 2nd 1961

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 2nd 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Johnny Remember Me - John Leyton 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    2 2 You Don't Know - Helen Shapiro 2 1 2 2 2 2 9650
    4 3 Reach For The Stars / Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 3 3 3 3 3 3 9240
    3 4 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 4 5 5 4 4 4 8770
    6 5 Romeo - Petula Clark 5 4 4 6 5 6 8580
    5 6 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 6 6 6 5 6 5 8390
    9 7 Quarter To Three - The U.S. Bonds 7 9 11 7 8 7 7470
    10 8 Time - Craig Douglas 9 13 10 11 7 11 6700
    11 9 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 8 10 15 10 10 13 6540
    7 10 A Girl Like You - Cliff Richard 10 7 7 17 9 15 6480
    8 11 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 11 14 14 9 11 10 6430
    17 12 Cupid - Sam Cooke 12 12 9 14 13 18 6000
    19 13 That's My Home - Mr. Acker Bilk 13 8 12 15 19 14 5850
    13 14 Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 14 15 18 13 15 9 5500
    20 15 How Many Tears - Bobby Vee 15 16 13 12 17 17 5490
    22 16 Ain't Gonna Wash For A Week - The Brook Brothers 18 20 8 18 14 22 4810
    12 17 Temptation - The Everly Brothers 16= 18 20 8 16 4680
    15 18 Marcheta - Karl Denver 19= 24 17 16 20 8 4290
    16 19 Baby I Don't Care - Buddy Holly 19 16 20 18 19 4080
    14 20 Don't You Know It - Adam Faith 16= 16 19 12 12 4040
    NEW 21 Michael Row The Boat / Lumbered - Lonnie Donegan 19= 20 16 1630
    NEW 22 Someday (You'll Be Sorry) - Kenny Ball 20 880
    NEW 23 Pepito - Los Machucambos 19 720
    NEW 24 Girls - Johnny Burnette 23 640
    27 25 What Kind Of Fool Am I - Anthony Newley 25 480
    NEW 26 Wheels Cha Cha - Joe Loss 28 23 480
    25 27 Writing On The Wall - Tommy Steele 26 30 430
    18 28 Runaway - Del Shannon 30 20 410
    NEW 29 Say It With Flowers - Dorothy Squires and Russ Conway 26 400
    21 30 Weekend - Eddie Cochrane 21 300
    Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 11
    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 24 210
    Dum Dum - Brenda Lee 25 180
    True Love - Terry Lightfoot 29 160
    The Frightened City - The Shadows 26 150
    Moody River - Pat Boone 27 120
    But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 28 90
    There I've Said It Again - Al Saxon 30 80
    Quite A Party - The Fireballs 29 60

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    I haven't seen any evidence of RM using a later survey period than Monday to Saturday as Dave Taylor suggested, as their positioning is generally in line with the others (excepting laggard RR). I believe Alan Smith said that the BBC dropped RM because they calculated their chart later, rather than have a later period, which looks a more plausible explanation. Although even then it means the BBC wanted a lot of time to do their calculations before the weekend.

    I still wonder if RR used a Saturday to Friday survey period, despite what Alan Smith said about them all being the same. It seems the most likely explanation for their chart being about half a week behind, as Saturday was the biggest day for sales. If so then it means the two records that went straight in at number one in RR achieved that on sales only on the Friday of release.

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    Cliff Richard "A girl like you" in NME chart,

    5, 5, 10, 12, 15, 8, 7, 16, 28.

    Wonder what was happening at the time that the record jumped up, then slid back again?
    Yeah that was a strange pattern, but the more I work with these charts the less surprised I get at weird movement patterns.

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    The strange case of Disc having a record leave their Top 20 from number 7 (which they subsequently corrected) prompted me to look back on this thread to the even stranger case of RR having one leave their Top 50 from number 9.

    The record concerned is Sixteen Reasons by Connie Stevens, and having the charts side by side reveals what happened.

    The odd movement was not caused by RR having it disappear prematurely, but by RR jacking it up to number 9 on 16-Jul-60 when it had left all the other charts.
    I don't realistically know how that could be explained other than a major compilation error by RR. For a record to climb into the top ten at #9 from 18 the previous week then vanish completely from a 50 place chart the following week should have been statistically near impossible. The week it climbed to #9 on RR it was not placed on any other chart at all. Had to be a compilation error.

    Leave a comment:


  • brian05
    replied
    Cliff Richard "A girl like you" in NME chart,

    5, 5, 10, 12, 15, 8, 7, 16, 28.

    Wonder what was happening at the time that the record jumped up, then slid back again?

    Leave a comment:

Working...
X