Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • kingofskiffle
    replied
    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

    I too really like the fact you can see all charts lined up against each other for the first time. I don't think you can see this anywhere else. Yeah in this format it does highlight obvious chart differences and interesting patterns.

    Scottish Soldier. It is another one of those records that was obviously selling well here north of the border. But still awful in my opinion.
    Early 1963 the RR chart stated it was “independently audited”. One wonders if that was to try and head of those who where (rightly!) saying the RR chart was not a good indicator of sales. In 1961 RR was trying to be a trade paper, selling to the record store owner. They had a pull out page to display the chart in the shop, which would encourage people to buy music in that chart. If we assume they are trying to gather prominence within the trade then being out of step with what is actually selling isn’t a good move.... purely from a sales of your newspaper point of view!

    Leave a comment:


  • kingofskiffle
    replied
    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    Wild In The Country / I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley
    No. 1 in only NME even with split sides - "I feel so bad" at no. 21 in NME.

    Michael - The Highwaymen and Michael Row The Boat - Lonnie Donegan
    Are these the same song?

    Kon-Tiki - The Shadows
    One of my favourite Shadows tracks - should have been number one.

    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart
    A great patriotic Scottish song - I'm sure followers of the SNP adore it!
    The Michael songs are the same song. Ever one to get a credit, the vinyl states “New Words and New Music Lonnie Donegan”, but it is the same tune. It’s also faster and more up tempo.

    Leave a comment:


  • brian05
    replied
    Wild In The Country / I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley
    No. 1 in only NME even with split sides - "I feel so bad" at no. 21 in NME.

    Michael - The Highwaymen and Michael Row The Boat - Lonnie Donegan
    Are these the same song?

    Kon-Tiki - The Shadows
    One of my favourite Shadows tracks - should have been number one.

    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart
    A great patriotic Scottish song - I'm sure followers of the SNP adore it!

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    The way that you present it is a great way of demonstrating that they were wrong - you can see at a glance.

    That Scottish Soldier marched on 16 weeks ago. He's retreated a few times, but not advanced far.
    I too really like the fact you can see all charts lined up against each other for the first time. I don't think you can see this anywhere else. Yeah in this format it does highlight obvious chart differences and interesting patterns.

    Scottish Soldier. It is another one of those records that was obviously selling well here north of the border. But still awful in my opinion.

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    The way that you present it is a great way of demonstrating that they were wrong - you can see at a glance.

    That Scottish Soldier marched on 16 weeks ago. He's retreated a few times, but not advanced far.

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    There is something very wrong more than usual at RR this week. They place Shirley Bassey at #1 while the disc is at #5 in ALL other four charts. 300 stores against 30. There is more than lagging behind in days of sale at work here. It is just out and out incorrect and it is considered an 'official' #1

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 23rd 1961
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 23rd 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Johnny Remember Me - John Leyton 1 2 1 1 1 2 9790
    3 2 Wild In The Country / I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 2 1 3 3 3 4 9370
    2 3 You Don't Know / Helen Shapiro 3 3 4 2 4 3 9240
    4 4 Kon-Tiki - The Shadows 4 4 2 4 2 5 9100
    5 5 Reach For The Stars / Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 5 5 5 5 5 1 8700
    11 6 Michael - The Highwaymen 6 6 6 6 6 17 7920
    18 7 Jealousy - Billy Fury 7 7 8 7 8 12 7660
    7 8 Michael Row The Boat / Lumbered - Lonnie Donegan 9 11 7 9 9 6 7310
    19 9 Get Lost - Eden Kane 8 10 10 8 7 19 7030
    10 10 Cupid - Sam Cooke 10 8 9 16 10 7 6580
    6 11 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 13 18 14 10 12 8 6010
    16 12 Together - Connie Francis 11= 13 13 13 11 15 5980
    12 13 Ain't Gonna Wash For A Week - The Brook Brothers 14 14 11 12 15 14 5960
    17 14 Hats Off To Larry - Del Shannon 11= 9 15 15 13 13 5920
    13 15 That's My Home - Mr. Acker Bilk 15 12 12 17 14 11 5650
    9 16 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 16 20 19 11 16 9 5210
    8 17 Romeo - Petula Clark 17 17 17 14 17 18 4920
    15 18 How Many Tears - Bobby Vee 18= 15 18 20 18 10 4550
    26 19 You'll Answer To Me - Cleo Laine 18= 16 16 18 19 20 4460
    14 20 Quarter To Three - The U.S. Bonds 20 22 19 20 16 3040
    22 21 Sea Of Heartbreak - Don Gibson 19 20 27 1740
    RE 22 Say It With Flowers - Dorothy Squires and Russ Conway 25 24 690
    21 23 Marcheta - Karl Denver 26 22 670
    NEW 24 Breakaway - The Springfields 23 640
    NEW 25 Frankie And Johnny - Brook Benton 27 320
    NEW 25 I'm Gonna Knock On Your Door - Eddie Hodges 27 320
    RE 27 Wheels Cha Cha - Joe Loss 21 300
    28 28 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 23 240
    20 29 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 25 180
    23 30 Drivin' Home - Duane Eddy 29 160
    I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 21
    Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 24
    Lumbered - Lonnie Donegan 30
    Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 26 150
    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 28 90
    Someday (You'll Be Sorry) - Kenny Ball 30 80
    Time - Craig Douglas 29 60
    Baby I Don't Care / Valley Of Tears - Buddy Holly 30 30

    Leave a comment:


  • braindeadpj
    replied
    Originally posted by Woz1234 View Post

    Yes your right I added up "A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart" on 120 points by accident.
    I thought that was probably what you had done.

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Double entry for Cliff corrected above. Yeah 29 with 390 points.

    Leave a comment:


  • Woz1234
    replied
    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post

    390 points. Still at 29 though.
    Yes your right I added up "A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart" on 120 points by accident.

    Leave a comment:


  • braindeadpj
    replied
    Originally posted by Woz1234 View Post
    You've got "A Girl Like You" - Cliff Richard twice on last chart, should be in UAC Top 30 @ #29 with 360 points.
    390 points. Still at 29 though.

    Leave a comment:


  • setg1
    replied
    Non-English songs in the UK charts have always been rare, but they used to be at least a little more common than they are now. In addition to the ones already mentioned, there were two in the top 30 (both NME and the combined chart) simultaneously in June 1960: "Milord" by Édith Piaf (in French) and "Mustapha" by Bob Azzam (French, Spanish and Arabic – almost certainly the only chart hit with that combination of languages). Though some of them were also recorded by other artists in English, which might have helped them chart.

    One of the many things that make charts from the earlier decades much more interesting than the ones today (and it also helps that the songs in question are nice to listen to even without understanding the lyrics)...

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    therefore he will always be the consummate DJ synonymous with Pick Of The Pops.
    Freeman says he only got the gig because Jacobs refused to do that Trad Tavern lark, so it served a useful purpose!

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
    It has to be a really good song before the UK public take to foreign language record!
    Although my avatar got to number 28 in NME (31 in RR) with a record completely in French.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpzllq4SCk

    They should have waited and issued the English version instead that she recorded later!

    Leave a comment:


  • Woz1234
    replied
    You've got "A Girl Like You" - Cliff Richard twice on last chart, should be in UAC Top 30 @ #29 with 360 points.

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    ''The show was however carefully scripted even down to his his catch phrase saying! ''

    Maybe we are needing them carefully scripted again nowadays then because today's shows can't hold a candle to sixties and seventies radio shows.

    Then we had dedicated professional DJ's though not others trying their hand at it and making a pigs ear of it. Graham Norton springs to mind among others.

    The Radio Luxembourg DJ's were really good, Bob Stewart, Paul Burnett, Tony Prince, Emperor Roscoe 'your royal ruler'.

    To me the only professional DJ around now is Paul Gambaccini. His American chart show back in the seventies and early eighties was a must to listen to, and a pleasure. His style now harks back to how it should be done.

    Leave a comment:


  • Graham76man
    commented on 's reply
    The show was however carefully scripted even down to his his catch phrase saying!

  • Graham76man
    replied
    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    It was a strange phenomenon that sometimes a record would make one of the music paper top twenties but not appear in any other list, not even those with a top thirty or top fifty. Pepito just seemed to appear out of nowhere.
    45 Cat list it as being out in July and a review in Melody Maker is dated 15 July 1961. So it was hitting the charts a bit late.
    Using the owns versus chart position, with 17 owns would put it between 45 and 41 in the charts. So a top 30 place isn't likely for the record. A top 30 to 21 place would need about 20 to 30 owns.
    And if you do the most collected for September 61 (UK only) search on 45 Cat, the results show that at least 17 is needed to get to 50. Combined with the big sellers from previous months, once again it's unlikely that the record would have been top 30.
    That doesn't mean it was being fiddled though. It would depend on Record Mirror's shops. They could have had a slight region inbalance, that might explain it being high. Areas for example that have lots of people taking Spanish holidays over the summer, for example! Though at this time going to Spain for a holiday was not common.
    However just asking for "Los Machucambos" would have been a problem - how to say it!... And the fact it's a Spanish record opens up the bag of the foreign language problem on the UK charts. Not really a racist thing, more a I don't understand what they are singing about thing. It has to be a really good song before the UK public take to foreign language record!

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Without a shadow of a doubt 'Fluff' is my all time favourite DJ, I loved his presentation style. The style of the show at that time was classic, no frills, no rubbish, no gimmicks, no inane chatter, just get on and play the songs, therefore he will always be the consummate DJ synonymous with Pick Of The Pops.

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    David Jacobs last 'Pick of the Pops' this week, handing over to Alan Freeman.

    From next week POTP will be split into 3 segments and incorporated into the 'Trad Tavern' programme. Freeman presented his bits live in front of an audience who would clap, cheer and whistle after each record! It looks like the BBC realised this arrangement didn't work well as it only lasted until the end of the year.

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 16th 1961


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 16th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Johnny Remember Me - John Leyton 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    2 2 You Don't Know - Helen Shapiro 2 2 3 2 3 3 9430
    5 3 Wild In The Country / I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 3 4 2 3 2 4 9240
    8 4 Kon-Tiki - The Shadows 4 3 4 5 4 7 8790
    3 5 Reach For The Stars / Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 5 5 5 4 5 2 8780
    4 6 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 6 7 8 6 6 5 8080
    14 7 Michael Row The Boat / Lumbered - Lonnie Donegan 7 6 6 10 8 14 7470
    7 8 Romeo - Petula Clark 8 10 7 8 7 12 7420
    6 9 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 9 14 13 7 11 6 6830
    11 10 Cupid - Sam Cooke 10 8 9 13 12 11 6690
    25 11 Michael - The Highwaymen 13= 9 10 11 20 19 6130
    12 12 Ain't Gonna Wash For A Week - The Brook Brothers 13= 18 12 9 13 13 6040
    9 13 That's My Home - Mr. Acker Bilk 11 11 16 15 10 8 6000
    10 14 Quarter To Three - The U.S. Bonds 12 13 20 12 14 9 5700
    13 15 How Many Tears - Bobby Vee 16 16 17 16 9 10 5420
    21 16 Together - Connie Francis 15 12 11 14 15 5390
    18 17 Hats Off To Larry - Del Shannon 19 19 14 18 17 20 4440
    NEW 18 Jealousy - Billy Fury 18 15 15 19 18 24 4420
    27 19 Get Lost - Eden Kane 17 17 17 16 3410
    16 20 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 20 23 19 16 1690
    23 21 Marcheta - Karl Denver 30 20 18 1680
    26 22 Sea Of Heartbreak - Don Gibson 22 18 28 1590
    28 23 Drivin' Home - Duane Eddy 24 19 1280
    30 24 Someday (You'll Be Sorry) - Kenny Ball 20 29 940
    15 25 Time - Craig Douglas 26 23 640
    NEW 26 You'll Answer To Me - Cleo Laine 25 480
    22 27 Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 15 480
    17 28 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 17 420
    20 29 A Girl Like You - Cliff Richard 28 26 390
    24 30 Don't You Know It - Adam Faith 21 300
    Baby I Don't Care / Valley Of Tears - Buddy Holly 22 270
    Wheels Cha Cha - Joe Loss 25 180
    Breakaway - The Springfields 29 160
    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 27 120
    Say It With Flowers - Dorothy Squires and Russ Conway 30 30
    I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 20
    Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 26

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    It was a strange phenomenon that sometimes a record would make one of the music paper top twenties but not appear in any other list, not even those with a top thirty or top fifty. Pepito just seemed to appear out of nowhere.

    Leave a comment:


  • setg1
    replied
    Another strange chart occurrence: Los Machucambos reaching the top 20 in Record Mirror, but failing to make any of the other charts (including Record Retailer's top 50)! I wonder what happened there...

    "Pepito" was a big hit in several European countries – and an excellent and very catchy song to boot! I was surprised to find out it was actually written by two Americans with a supposedly limited knowledge of Spanish (I remember reading an online interview with one of the band members mentioning how they had to replace some of the more nonsensical lyrics from Elena Madera's original version).

    Leave a comment:


  • MrTibbs
    replied
    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Further to my post about survey periods, I see that RM actually specified each week that their charts were for the week ending the previous Saturday.

    RR using a week ending Friday seems the most likely explanation for their lagging, as you can imagine their lower new entry positions reflecting one day of sales and the others two days.
    Yeah and as Saturday accounted for most record sales that could explain the RR deficit.

    Leave a comment:


  • Splodj
    replied
    Further to my post about survey periods, I see that RM actually specified each week that their charts were for the week ending the previous Saturday.

    RR using a week ending Friday seems the most likely explanation for their lagging, as you can imagine their lower new entry positions reflecting one day of sales and the others two days.

    Leave a comment:

Working...
X