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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by membranemusic View Post
    Mr Tibbs, please keep up the good work! It's stunning.
    No question about it membrane, never fear, this bandwagon will roll on till completion. I'm enjoying this voyage of discovery along with you guys.

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  • membranemusic
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    Mr Tibbs, please keep up the good work! It's stunning.

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  • brian05
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    And Elvis had a re-entry. (in RM only)

    RE 24 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley

    Maybe a TV appearance or more likely was played on some radio programme (2 way Family Favourites?).

    I was going to highlight his movie GI Blues but that didn't happen until 1960 (maybe a very early preview???).

    I don't remember any bargain bin until the 1960s.

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  • brian05
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    EMI was pretty successful in 1963 with Parlophone and Columbia.

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  • MrTibbs
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    An interesting event, little commented upon and maybe even unnoticed, was happening from 11th August 1956 which had never been achieved before and not even since to date. It was the total domination of a record label to hold the #1 position for a lengthy period consecutively with different artists.
    From 11th August the Philips label will have an uninterrupted strangle hold at the top until February 16th 1957.

    Doris Day will be followed by Anne Shelton, Frankie Laine, Johnnie Ray, Guy Mitchell and Frankie Vaughan all on Philips, only Tab Hunter will end this total domination by a label on 23rd February with Young Love on London.

    A 28 week run for Philips at #1. That's quite a remarkable achievement by any standard.

    To pre-empt the inevitable point being raised that Tommy Steele on Decca went to #1 in January 1957 on both NME and RM this was on different weeks and never on MM so would not have been top using any averaging process.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    It would be a sound business decision if they had the records and could not return them.

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  • MrTibbs
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    On that I honestly don't know about the fifties or early sixties Robbie as it was a decade and a bit later before I was regularly buying records but I can remember my local record shops selling off overstocked chart or non charting singles in boxes on the counter cheaply by the late sixties. I picked up quite a few extra hits that way.

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  • Robbie
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    The bottom end of the NME chart often had re-entries including past hits that left the chart weeks before. All it would take I think is for a couple of dealer returns to place it high for some reason and this would be reflected. RM and MM often had similar at the bottom end of their chart too.
    Did shops have "bargain bins" in those days, where records dropping off the charts were sold off cheap or was that something that came years later? If records were sold off cheap and picked up a few sales, the low level of dealer returns could mean that it would only take a small handful of dealers doing this to lead to a record recharting.

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  • MrTibbs
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    The bottom end of the NME chart often had re-entries including past hits that left the chart weeks before. All it would take I think is for a couple of dealer returns to place it high for some reason and this would be reflected. RM and MM often had similar at the bottom end of their chart too.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    It could very well be a supply issue of the record into stores....

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  • braindeadpj
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    Anyone know what triggered 'Only You' to return? It's been absent for 6 weeks.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 11th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 11th 1956 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 1 1 1 4350
    1 2 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 3 2 2 4140
    3 3 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 2 4 4 4045
    4 4 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 5 3 3 3930
    6 5 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 4 6 5 3815
    5 6 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 7 5 6 3580
    7 7 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 6 8 9 3405
    11 8 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 8 8 7 3395
    8 9 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 10 11 8 3145
    10 10 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 9 7 12 3050
    12 11 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 11 12 10 2940
    9 12 Bluebottle Blues / I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons 13 13 16 2430
    13 13 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 19 10 11 2400
    17 14 Walk Hand In Hand - Ronnie Carroll 16 15 13 2375
    14 15 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 12 16 20 2195
    15 16 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 15 17 1880
    18 17 The Faithful Hussar - Ted Heath 18 15 1805
    26 18 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday 17 14 1250
    NEW 19 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - Alma Cogan (A) 22 20 1245
    19 20 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 25 17 1230
    21 21 Left Bank - Winifred Atwell 14 1105
    16 22 Serenade - Slim Whitman 30 14 1085
    24 23 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley 23 16 820
    RE 24 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 19 720
    27 25 My September Love - David Whitfield 20 715
    22 26 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 21 650
    RE 27 Only You - The Hilltoppers 24 455
    25 28 Carousel Waltz - Ray Martin 28 19 435
    20 29 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 26 325
    29 30 Bad Penny Blues - Humphrey Lyttleton 27 260
    Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 18 260
    Donkey Cart - Frank Chacksfield 19 240
    Rock Island Line / Heartbreak Hotel - Stan Freberg 29 130
    Long Tall Sally - Pat Boone 30 65
    23 Walk Hand In Hand - Jimmy Parkinson
    28 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer
    30 The Birds And The Bees - Alma Cogan (B)

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  • MrTibbs
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    Oops. Thanks brain. Sorted.

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  • braindeadpj
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    You missed out the chart position for the Frank Sinatra LP presumably 26?

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  • brian05
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    Truly horrendous "cover" versions. What were people in 1956 thinking of?

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  • Robbie
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    A very strange chart run by Mel Torme.

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  • Robbie
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post

    I am sure Monsieur Tibbs will be able to fit in all the words when the record appears!

    In the USA these novelty records were played by Dr Demento in his networked radio show. He also lent his name to compilation albums; some were released over here although noone knew who he was. I remember a Best Of album; the Spike Jones track on there was 'Do you want to buy a bunny?'.

    If you have an internet radio you can still hear his show, other novelty record stations - and even a 24 hour Goons station.
    I remember Dr Demento from a show he hosted on AFN (American Forces Network) Europe in the late 1970s. He played a number of weird records, or at least that's how they sounded at the time to the young me. If I recall his show was on at 9pm on weekday nights with Wolfman Jack on an hour earlier at 8pm. It was the first time I'd heard of either DJ. I've just checked and Dr Demento is still around and is 80 year old.

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  • MrTibbs
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    After floating around for weeks, then leaving the chart, re-entering last week Mel Torme suddenly takes a JUMP right into the middle of the top ten.
    Similarly after starting slowly Slim Whitman's Serenade is now also making waves too.
    As Tony Martin goes top three another two versions by Ronnie Carroll and Jimmy Parkinson are charting too.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 4th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 4th 1956 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 1 1 1 4350
    6 2 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 2 5 2 4145
    5 3 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 3 2 5 3960
    14 4 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 5 3 3 3930
    2 5 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 4 4 4 3915
    17 6 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 9 11 7 3270
    4 7 Hearbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 6 6 12 3265
    10 8 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 8 10 9 3235
    7 9 Bluebottle Blues / I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons 10 13 6 3225
    11 10 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 6 8 13 3165
    3 11 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 13 7 8 3030
    13 12 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 12 9 11 2875
    12 13 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 14 19 10 2605
    9 14 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 15 13 14 2420
    8 15 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 10 12 20 2405
    23 16 Serenade - Slim Whitman 18 16 15 2105
    19 17 Walk Hand In Hand - Ronnie Carroll 19 17 18 1840
    28 18 The Faithful Hussar - Ted Heath 20 17 1555
    15 19 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 21 16 1550
    25 20 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 16 15 1295
    21 21 Left Bank - Winifred Atwell 17 910
    16 22 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 22 17 865
    NEW 23 Walk Hand In Hand - Jimmy Parkinson 19 720
    RE 24 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley 23 520
    RE 25 Carousel Waltz - Ray Martin 24 455
    RE 26 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday 25 390
    20 27 My September Love - David Whitfield 27 260
    24 28 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 19 240
    18 29 Bad Penny Blues - Humphrey Lyttleton 28 195
    27 30 The Birds And The Bees - Alma Cogan 29 130
    30 Long Tall Sally - Pat Boone 30 65
    Songs For Swingin' Lovers (LP) - Frank Sinatra 26 325
    22 Be-Bop-A-Lula - Gene Vincent
    26 Rock Island Line / Heartbreak Hotel - Stan Freberg
    29 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
    the Goon credits are always fun. And yes I think thats about right.
    I am sure Monsieur Tibbs will be able to fit in all the words when the record appears!

    In the USA these novelty records were played by Dr Demento in his networked radio show. He also lent his name to compilation albums; some were released over here although noone knew who he was. I remember a Best Of album; the Spike Jones track on there was 'Do you want to buy a bunny?'.

    If you have an internet radio you can still hear his show, other novelty record stations - and even a 24 hour Goons station.

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  • CatoFur
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    Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post

    he also did a parody of the cop shows at the time I liked - Saint George and the Dragnet I believe although I might have the title wrong.
    Whitburn has it as "St. George And The Dragonet". Fun record.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
    Stan Freberg was huge in America. Have a listen to All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth.
    For me the best parody of All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth was Spike Jones and His City Slickers who had US number one with it over Christmas 1948. It really is very good.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Stan Freberg was huge in America. Have a listen to All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth. Heard it for the first times as a small kid way before Mariah did all I want for Christmas is you and yet every time I hear hers I want to sing his lyric instead!

    he also did a parody of the cop shows at the time I liked - Saint George and the Dragnet I believe although I might have the title wrong.

    the Goon credits are always fun. And yes I think that’s about right. I’ve had the same issue trying to get the right artist credits for the database.

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  • Splodj
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    I have probably got some of that spelling wrong - trying to read it off photos of the record.

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  • Splodj
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    Ah well ... the subject of full artist credit brings us to the forthcoming Goons record.

    The A side is 'featuring Major Dennis Bloodnok with Roland Rockcake und stizen Wholly Rockers'.

    The B side is 'mit Maurice Ponke und seimen Orchestra Fromage'.

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