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There seemed to be no consistency. In October they split the Yardbirds yet in December they combined the Beatles double A sider. They probably knew the howls of protest that would come their way if the splitting prevented it reaching No 1.
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 23rd October 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 23rd 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 Tears - Ken Dodd 1 1 1 1 1 19050 3 2 Almost There - Andy Williams 2 2 2 2 2 18415 2 3 If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Manfred Mann 3 3 4 3 3 17530 5 4 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 4 4 3 5 4 17295 4 5 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 5 5 5 4 5 16610 13 6 Evil Hearted You / Still I'm Sad - The Yardbirds 6 10 6 6 9 14820 14 7 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 8 7 8 8 10 14635 19 8 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 9 6 7 7 18 14505 6 9 Message Understood - Sandie Shaw 7 8 9 9 6 14425 10 10 Some Of Your Lovin' - Dusty Springfield 10 12 10 11 8 13005 20 11 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 11 9 12 10 17 12440 17 12 In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett 12 14 14 13 12 11065 9 13 Baby Don't Go - Sonny and Cher 14 19 11 12 13 10830 8 14 Make It Easy On Yourself - The Walker Brothers 13 15 16 15 7 10590 11 15 Il Silenzio - Nini Rosso 15 18 13 16 11 10300 NEW 16 Yesterday - Matt Monro 16 11 15 14 26 10125 7 17 Look Through Any Window - The Hollies 17 17 18 17 14 8895 16 18 Whatcha Gonna Do About It - The Small Faces 18 16 17 18 19 8820 12 19 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones 19 20 20 19 15 7510 15 20 A Walk In The Black Forest - Horst Jankowski 20 23 19 20 16 6975 NEW 21 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 21 22 21 21 5300 24 22 Papa's Got A Brand New Bag - James Brown 23 21 27 26 25 4010 23 23 Zorba's Dance - Marcello Minerbi 22 30 22 24 21 4000 29 24 I Love You Yes I Do - The Merseybeats 24 26 25 22 3400 18 25 I Got You Babe - Sonny and Cher 25 23 20 2935 21 26 Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan 26 26 29 30 22 2365 NEW 27 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 27 24 23 2200 27 28 You've Got To Hide Your Love Away - The Silkie 30 24 28 2005 25 29 That Means A Lot - P J Proby 29 26 29 1850 22 30 That's The Way - The Honeycombs 29 28 23 1430 Still I'm Sad - The Yardbirds 13 Take A Heart - The Sorrows 28 30 25 24 1395 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 25 1200 I Know How It Feels To Be Loved - The Nashville Teens 28 600 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 27 400 Just A Little Bit Better - Herman's Hermits 27 340 When I Get Home - The Searchers 28 300 Shame And Scandal In The Family - Lance Percival 30 250 Help - The Beatles 29 170 Laugh At Me - Sonny 30 85 The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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As several have pointed out already, it's amazing to see how RR lags the other charts. For the above chart, look at the big movers up, and the big movers down, a change of 6 or more ultimate points, and RR lags behind in every case, except for the split Yardbirds record. I trust Alan Smith when he says RR's sample period was Monday thru Saturday like all the other charts, but something was definitely amiss at RR...Comment
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Supposedly there was no overlap between the stores that the 4 different chart compilers used. While it doesn't seem likely, what if the stores that RR used had a delayed delivery schedule so that they didn't get their new stock until later in the week? This could explain why they underrepresent new releases and to some extent other tracks if they'd run out and didn't get replacement stock until later in the week. Alternatively perhaps they were smaller, less frequently visited stores in the RR panel and so they are not as up to date. Of course we can speculate until the cows come home but unless there is an historical record of which shops were used by RR and how they differ from those the other chart compilers used, we may never know why the RR chart lags behind the others.....Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View PostComment
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These snippets might add some light onto things:
1964 - Record Retailer increases its sample pool from 30 to 85 by using EMI and Decca's distribution lists. Melody Maker and NME are using around 150 and Disc is polling 100 outlets1965 - The NME chart is suspected of 'hyping' charts when a member of their staff is found to be involved in manipulations resulting in Bob Dylan recordings enter their chart at much higher ratings than others
1967 - Saturday 26th August - The Disc and Music Echo ceases using its own charts and uses a chart combined with that of Melody Maker, using a sample pool of 280 outlets. NME are now using 200 and Record Retailer are still using 85.Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!Comment
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Robin, Alan Smith wrote this on this site which does mean that Record Retailer was compiled different to the other charts:
From this list a rotating core of 75 to 85 shops would post in their top 50 sellers to “Record Retailer” who would pay part of the postal costs. This new system commenced at the start of 1964. Unfortunately it was still a chart based on a different day of compilation to it’s competitors (Tuesday as opposed to Monday for all others) and the chart still suffered from unusually low first week entries e.g. no Beatles single ever entered at no 1 in the “Record Retailer” compiled listings.Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!Comment
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To add further controversy. Adding these weekly charts to my weekly lists from all the papers flags up another interesting point. NME can be just as inconsistent as RR. I never noticed this so obviously before but on some weeks NME is also as way out of the range as RR. Higher placings than the others and records leaving the chart before the others. Strangely MM in particular and Disc are week on week the most consistent. Any of you guys noticed this too ?The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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Right Graham. RR compiled a day later than the other charts, but according to Alan their dealers still sampled over the same period Monday thru Saturday. Could it have been that some of the RR dealers reported their results for a Saturday thru Friday period, giving them an extra day to get their dealer chart into RR on time, not telling RR what they were doing? That would explain things, say if a small number of dealers did that, maybe 10% or so?Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
I sure wouldn't think RR would have accepted a too late dealer chart and used it for the following week, that would have thrown their results off even more, ha.Comment
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I haven't studied it in detail Brian, but I have occasionally noticed NME with some 'odd man out' positions relative to the other charts. They did count pre-orders as sales for the first week, and I think Disc did that too, but that would only account for first week disparities. I'll look more closely in the upcoming charts...Originally posted by MrTibbs View PostComment
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Here is a prime example of just how out of touch RR was with the other three charts. In order to ensure you guys always get at least one chart every day I work ahead of what I post. I'm currently on 19th February 1966 the infamous week RR denied the Rolling Stones the No 1 position with 19th Nervous Breakdown. Aside from that huge anomaly RR had 9, yes 9, records in their top thirty that were not placed on any of the other 3. A third of their chart. Each week each other chart will have a few, 3 maybe 4, different but here is RR with 9.
Furthermore so many other records chart positions on RR were way outside the parameters of the other 3.
Massive evidence their paltry store sample of 85 was insufficient.
Strangely though, Disc with only a fraction more of store samples than RR at 100 managed to produce a much more consistent chart that was in step with the others week on week.The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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This is great work - thanks for your efforts, and thanks also to the interesting and relevant comments from others.
Great!Comment
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I'm really glad you are enjoying it membranemusic so thanks for your support and to all you guys who follow and post.The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 30th October 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 30th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 Tears - Ken Dodd 1 1 1 1 1 19050 6 2 Evil Hearted You * / Still I'm Sad - The Yardbirds 5 11 2 2 4 18185 8 3 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 2 2 5 3 5 17310 7 4 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 4 4 3 4 6 17225 2 5 Almost There - Andy Williams 3 5 4 5 2 17015 4 6 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 6 8 6 10 3 15330 11 7 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 7 7 7 6 9 15170 NEW 8 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 9 3 8 7 17 14940 16 9 Yesterday - Matt Monro 8 6 9 8 10 14585 3 10 If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Manfred Mann 10 9 10 9 7 13890 5 11 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 11 9 11 11 8 13355 10 12 Some Of Your Lovin' - Dusty Springfield 12 13 12 12 11 11950 9 13 Message Understood - Sandie Shaw 13 14 13 13 12 11315 12 14 In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett 14 17 15 14 13 10030 21 15 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 15 16 14 15 22 9615 18 16 Whatcha Gonna Do About It - The Small Faces 17 20 18 19 18 7755 15 17 Il Silenzio - Nini Rosso 18 24 16 22 14 7495 13 18 Baby Don't Go - Sonny and Cher 16 25 17 16 16 7475 NEW 19 It's My Life - The Animals 20 14 23 18 6700 14 20 Make It Easy On Yourself - The Walker Brothers 19 27 19 20 15 6260 NEW 21 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 21 19 24 17 29 5720 NEW 22 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 23= 18 28 21 4350 17 23 Look Through Any Window - The Hollies 22 20 26 19 4270 27 24 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 23= 21 30 23 24 3645 20 25 A Walk In The Black Forest - Horst Jankowski 26 21 21 3350 NEW 26 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 27 23 27 24 3300 19 27 ( I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones 25 22 20 3185 NEW 28 Baby I'm Yours - Peter and Gordon 28 27 25 25 2900 24 29 I Love You Yes I Do - The Merseybeats 29 30 26 29 23 2330 NEW 30 I Know How It Feels To Be Loved - The Nashville Teens 22 1800 * Unlike previous weeks the split sides this week affected the averaged chart position, so an average was taken from the other 3 charts and awarded to NME to give a more representative average. Still I'm Sad - The Yardbirds * 12 Papa's Got A Brand New Bag - James Brown 30 29 25 1010 1 2 3 - Len Barry 26 1000 Something - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 27 30 900 Zorba's Dance - Marcello Minerbi 26 425 Shame And Scandal In The Family - Lance Percival 27 400 That's The Way - The Honeycombs 27 340 When I Get Home - The Searchers 28 300 Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan 28 255 That Means A Lot - P J Proby 30 85 The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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I believe the only way you can look at how Record Retailer worked in practice is that it wasn't using all 85 shops to produce the chart. Alan Smith says that the chart was compiled by one man. And given that he had a day less to produce a chart than the other charts, had less time to do it in. To get around this problem he must have cut the number of shops he actually used to a VERY low level. Plus the postal system would also limit the number. The British Market Research Bureau had the same problem with the post in the 70's and onwards, cutting shop returns down. The less shops used would limit the sales level. It will show up with new hits especially. At that time records were issued on Friday, giving only two days of sales in the first week. However the stores can shift a lot on Saturday alone. If you take the Stones - Cloud record. It was issued on the 22 October. But the week ending date is misleading since it looks like the Stones had 8 days of sales, or at least seven! When in fact the sales period of the Chart for the week ending 30 October was actually the 18 to 23 October! The Stones track itself would have had a lot of orders meaning the record shops would have lots of copies to sell on the 22 and 23 October. The more shops you sample the more sales you will get. Cut down the number of shops and have more smaller stores taking part and you reduce the impact of new sellers. Many of the big stores that would have taken more orders and got the lion's share didn't take part and probably refused to do so in these charts.
It's interesting to note that the Real Chart for the 24 October, covering the same seven days, has the Stones top on 159,000. And Ken on 145,000. A gap of only 14,000 copies.
My conclusion is that Record Retailer was probably only using 25 stores to compile it's chart each week out of the 85, while the others were using 50+ depending on how many stores were sending in information.Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!Comment
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I did a little more digging and discovered that the Yardbirds AA was issued on 1st October and if you look at the other charts they have in for those two days of sales. But RR doesn't pick it up for the following week. However the 22 entry position is not for the week ending date, but Record Mirror's Thursday date of publication of the 14 October. I'm not certain what date RR came out. The same date is also given in publications of the Hit Singles books and is still used today on the Official Chart. This might fit in with the current dating system of charts, but this was a recent innovation, designed not to give only two days of sales for new entries. If the same system had been in place back in 1965 new hits would have entered the RR chart HIGHER than they do. Since they would have a full six days of sales (no Sunday selling back then).
It's another bizarre oddity in Record Retailer life.Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!Comment
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NME and Disc always seem to be ahead of the other two charts on New Entries, probably because of their policy of including advance orders and as mentioned above by Graham RR always seems to be the last chart that existing hits leave. No doubt about it as so many of you have pointed out before RR is by far the weakest chart.The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 6th November 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 6th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 8 1 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 1 19050 1 2 Tears - Ken Dodd 2 3 2 2 2 18215 3 3 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 3 2 3 3 4 17895 4 4 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 5 5 4 5 5 16760 7 5 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 4 4 5 4 6 16725 2 6 Still I'm Sad* / Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds 6 9 8 6 3 15710 9 7 Yesterday - Matt Monro 7 6 7 7 8 15355 5 8 Almost There - Andy Williams 8 8 6 8 7 15190 19 9 It’s My Life - The Animals 9 7 9 9 10 14285 6 10 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 10 12 10 10 9 13020 15 11 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 11 14 11 11 14 11845 26 12 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 12 11 14 13 13 11580 22 13 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 13 13 13 12 15 11360 12 14 Some Of Your Lovin' - Dusty Springfield 14 19 12 14 16 10125 11 15 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 16 18 16 17 11 9450 10 16 If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Manfred Mann 15 20 15 15 12 9415 NEW 17 1 2 3 - Len Barry 19 15 19 16 7700 13 18 Message Understood - Sandie Shaw 18 24 17 20 19 7020 21 19 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 17 23 21 19 17 6490 14 20 In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett 20 27 18 18 18 6455 28 21 Baby I'm Yours - Peter and Gordon 21 21 24 21 22 5515 NEW 22 My Generation - The Who 23 16 27 23 4800 24 23 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 22 22 28 22 20 4385 NEW 24 Something - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 25 26 23 28 27 3640 17 25 Il Silenzio - Nini Rosso 26 20 29 24 3545 NEW 26 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 24 17 24 3500 NEW 27 In The Chapel In The Moonlight - The Bachelors 27 28 25 25 2700 16 28 Whatcha Gonna Do About It - The Small Faces 28 22 26 2675 25 29 A Walk In The Black Forest - Horst Jankowski 26 29 1420 20 30 Make It Easy On Yourself - The Walker Brothers 29 29 21 1350 * The split sides this week would again have affected the averaged chart position, so an average was taken from the other 3 charts and awarded to NME to give a more representative average. Evil Hearted You* - The Yardbirds 10 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 25 1200 I Love You Yes I Do - The Merseybeats 30 23 680 Turquoise - Donovan 30 27 600 Baby Don't Go - Sonny and Cher 25 510 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones 30 28 505 Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 26 500 I Know How It Feels To Be Loved - The Nashville Teens 29 400 Treat Her Right - Roy Head 30 30 300 Look Through Any Window - The Hollies 30 85
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 13th November 1965.
This week the split sides make no difference to The Yardbirds' average chart position.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 13th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 1 19050 3 2 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 2 2 2 2 3 18330 2 3 Tears - Ken Dodd 3 8 3 3 2 16865 9 4 It's My Life - The Animals 4= 5 4 4 7 16690 5 5 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 4= 6 5 5 4 16395 12 6 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 7 7 6 7 10 15235 4 7 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 6 10 7 6 6 14825 7 8 Yesterday - Matt Monro 8 9 8 8 8 14405 17 9 1 2 3 - Len Barry 9= 4 10 10 15 14110 22 10 My Generation - The Who 9= 3 13 9 14 13745 6 11 Still I'm Sad / Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds 11 12 11 11 5 13010 13 12 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 13 15 9 12 12 12215 8 13 Almost There - Andy Williams 12 13 12 13 9 12020 11 14 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 14 16 14 14 11 10650 26 15 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 15 11 16 15 23 10030 10 16 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 16 23 15 16 13 8630 16 17 If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Manfred Mann 17 26 19 17 17 6590 15 18 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 18 17 20 16 5875 NEW 19 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 20 17 23 23 29 5770 NEW 20 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 21 18 22 22 5750 14 21 Some Of Your Lovin' - Dusty Springfield 19 18 18 18 5655 NEW 22 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 22 20 26 19 4650 19 23 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 23= 20 30 21 3700 27 24 In The Chapel In The Moonlight - The Bachelors 23= 21 28 25 28 3605 20 25 In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett 26 21 26 25 3510 NEW 26 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 23= 19 21 3400 21 27 Baby I'm Yours - Peter and Gordon 27 30 25 29 19 2920 18 28 Message Understood - Sandie Shaw 28 24 27 24 2745 NEW 29 I'm Gonna Take You There - Dave Berry 22 1800 NEW 30 Treat Her Right - Roy Head 25 30 30 1535 Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds 14 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 29 29 20 1435 Our Love Is Slipping Away - The Ivy League 24 1400 Il Silenzio - Nini Rosso 27 27 1340 Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 30 28 24 1300 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 27 28 1100 I Love You Yes I Do - The Merseybeats 22 765 Something - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 30 26 625 Who You Gonna Hurt - Beryl Marsden 29 400 The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 20th November 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 20th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 1 1 2 1 1 18800 6 2 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 2 3 1 2 2 18465 9 3 1 2 3 - Len Barry 3 2 5 3 6 17225 2 4 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 4 5 3 5 3 17180 10 5 My Generation - The Who 5 4 4 4 5 17060 4 6 It's My Life - The Animals 6 6 6 6 7 15790 3 7 Tears - Ken Dodd 7 8 7 7 4 15295 5 8 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 8 7 9 8 8 14555 12 9 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 9 12 8 9 10 13535 8 10 Yesterday - Matt Monro 10 10 10 11 11 13150 15 11 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 11 9 12 10 15 12610 11 12 Still I'm Sad / Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds 12 13 13 12 9 11870 19 13 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 13 11 14 13 16 11325 7 14 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 14 17 11 14 12 11115 14 15 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 15 19 15 16 14 9345 13 16 Almost There - Andy Williams 16 18 16 18 13 9180 22 17 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 17 15 18 15 18 9155 20 18 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 18 14 17 17 22 9065 26 19 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 20 20 22 21 28 5705 NEW 20 You're The One - Petula Clark 21 22 20 25 25 5660 NEW 21 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 19 21 24 19 26 5375 16 22 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 21 21 24 17 4390 NEW 23 The River - Ken Dodd 23 22 26 20 4150 23 24 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 24 19 20 3935 24 25 In The Chapel In The Moonlight - The Bachelors 25 26 28 22 27 2990 NEW 26 Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 26 27 27 23 2600 30 27 Treat Her Right - Roy Head 27 23 26 30 2585 18 28 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 28= 25 24 2095 NEW 29 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 25 28 1500 NEW 30 Our Love Is Slipping Away - The Ivy League 24 1400 Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds 16 Baby I'm Yours - Peter and Gordon 28= 29 30 21 1350 Something - Georgie Fame 30= 27 23 1080 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 30= 19 1020 Who You Gonna Hurt - Beryl Marsden 30 30 29 650 I'm Gonna Take You There - Dave Berry 28 600 Turquoise - Donovan 29 500 If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Manfred Mann 29 170 The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! I'm just in from work. Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 27th November 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 27th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 2 1 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 1 2 1 1 1 18850 3 2 1 2 3 - Len Barry 2 1 2 2 4 18445 5 3 My Generation - The Who 3 3 3 3 2 17865 1 4 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 4 4 4 4 3 17230 4 5 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 5 5 5 5 6 16425 7 6 Tears - Ken Dodd 6 6 7 7 5 15610 13 7 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 7 8 6 8 8 15105 6 8 It's My Life - The Animals 8 9 8 9 7 14390 11 9 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 9 7 10 6 11 14250 9 10 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 10 12 9 10 10 13185 8 11 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 11 11 11 11 9 12870 17 12 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 12 10 13 12 12 12215 10 13 Yesterday - Matt Monro 13 13 12 13 13 11680 12 14 Still I'm Sad / Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds* 15 19 14 17 14 10295 23 15 The River - Ken Dodd 14 14 15 14 19 10120 18 16 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 16 17 16 15 18 9255 16 17 Almost There - Andy Williams 17 20 19 19 16 7675 21 18 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 18 18 22 16 20 7285 14 19 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 19 27 17 18 17 6790 19 20 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 20 26 18 21 21 6100 20 21 You're The One - Petula Clark 21 24 20 20 23 5930 NEW 22 Maria - P J Proby 23 15 23 25 5800 15 23 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 22 21 22 15 4760 29 24 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 24 16 26 26 4750 NEW 25 How Can You Tell - Sandie Shaw 26 22 28 24 3250 RE 26 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 25 28 29 23 22 2665 24 27 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 29 24 24 2345 26 28 Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 28 25 27 26 2325 NEW 29 Rescue Me - Fontella Bass 27 23 29 1800 30 30 Our Love Is Slipping Away - The Ivy League 30 25 1200 * Again this week the split sides would have affected the averaged chart position so an average was taken from the other 3 charts and awarded to NME to give a more representative average. Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds* 21 In The Chapel In The Moonlight - The Bachelors 27 30 1085 To Whom It Concerns - Chris Andrews 28 600 Baby I'm Yours - Peter and Gordon 30 25 510 Turn Turn Turn - The Byrds 30 30 350 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 27 340 The War Lord - The Shadows 28 300 Something - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 28 255 I Left My Heart In San Francisco - Tony Bennett 30 200 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 29 170 Last edited by MrTibbs; Wed August 19, 2020, 06:08.The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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Yeah thats true. It was just a case of forgetting to change that back to 19 from 15 once I had calculated the average so it doesn't alter the outcome of the chart, but I like complete accuracy so thanks for picking up on that Woz
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! I hope you are all still enjoying seeing the ultimate averaged chart the way it should have been compiled at the time.
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 4th December 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 4th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 1 1 1 1 1 19050 3 2 My Generation - The Who 2= 3 2 3 2 18115 2 3 1 2 3 - Len Barry 2= 2 3 2 3 18080 7 4 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 4 4 4 4 7 16890 6 5 Tears - Ken Dodd 5 4 8 5 6 15875 9 6 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 6 6 7 6 5 15710 4 7 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 7 8 6 7 4 15545 15 8 The River - Ken Dodd 8 7 5 8 11 15300 12 9 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 9 11 10 10 9 13220 10 10 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 10 12 9 12 8 13155 5 11 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 11 9 13 9 10 12885 22 12 Maria - P J Proby 12 10 12 11 14 12395 8 13 It's My Life - The Animals 13 15 11 13 12 11615 18 14 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 14 14 17 14 13 10130 13 15 Yesterday - Matt Monro 16 18 16 16 16 9125 16 16 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 15 22 14 15 15 9010 24 17 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 17 13 18 19 20 8985 11 18 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 18 21 15 17 18 8505 20 19 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 19 19 19 18 17 7890 25 20 How Can You Tell - Sandie Shaw 20 20 20 24 21 6500 29 21 Rescue Me - Fontella Bass 22 16 24 21 5750 21 22 You're The One - Petula Clark 21 23 21 22 25 5510 NEW 23 To Whom It Concerns - Chris Andrews 23 17 26 20 5150 NEW 24 The War Lord - The Shadows 26 25 25 25 3300 14 25 Evil Hearted You / Still I'm Sad - The Yardbirds 24 23 26 22 3265 17 26 Almost There - Andy Williams 28 22 24 2845 28 27 Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 25 26 29 29 19 2720 NEW 28 My Ship Is Coming In - The Walker Brothers 27 23 23 2400 19 29 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 27 28 28 1555 23 30 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 29 28 23 1430 Turn Turn Turn - The Byrds 30 28 30 30 26 1375 I Left My Heart In San Francisco - Tony Bennett 26 1000 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 30 27 540 Standing In The Ruins - Keely Smith 29 400 Till The End Of The day - The Kinks 27 400 Down Came The Rain - Mister Murray 30 200 Walk Hand In Hand - Gerry and The Pacemakers 29 170 Turquoise - Donovan 30 85 The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 11th December 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 11th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 1 2 1 2 1 18750 NEW 2 Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out - The Beatles 2 1 3 1 2 18465 2 3 My Generation - The Who 3 5 2 5 3 17430 3 4 1 2 3 - Len Barry 4 3 4 3 6 17275 4 5 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 5 4 5 4 4 16895 6 6 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 6 7 6 8 5 15560 8 7 The River - Ken Dodd 7 6 7 6 7 15540 5 8 Tears - Ken Dodd 8 8 8 9 8 14505 12 9 Maria - P J Proby 9 9 9 7 12 13915 9 10 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 10 10 10 10 10 13335 7 11 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 11 15 12 13 9 11620 10 12 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 12 15 11 14 11 11600 17 13 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 13 12 13 11 16 11575 11 14 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 15 13 14 17 19 10270 21 15 Rescue Me - Fontella Bass 14 11 19 12 18 10005 14 16 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 16 19 15 15 15 9360 23 17 To Whom It Concerns - Chris Andrews 18 14 21 16 21 8250 13 18 It's My Life - The Animals 19 21 16 21 14 8195 28 19 My Ship Is Coming In - The Walker Brothers 17 17 23 18 13 7630 19 20 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 21 18 22 20 24 6545 16 21 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 20 27 17 22 17 6390 15 22 Yesterday - Matt Monro 22 24 18 27 20 5985 20 23 How Can You Tell - Sandie Shaw 23 22 20 25 23 5830 NEW 24 Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group 25= 20 29 24 30 3485 18 25 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 25= 27 25 26 25 3310 NEW 26 Till The End Of The Day - The Kinks 25= 26 28 23 26 2975 24 27 The War Lord - The Shadows 29 30 24 28 2250 NEW 28 I Left My Heart In San Francisco - Tony Bennett 23 1600 22 29 You're The One - Petula Clark 30 26 28 1505 NEW 30 You Make It Move - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 25 1200 Rubber Soul (LP) - The Beatles 24 19 1200 Don't Fight It - Wilson Pickett 27 29 1170 Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 28 22 765 My Girl - Otis Redding 29 30 500 Turn Turn Turn - The Byrds 27 340 Almost There - Andy Williams 30 250 If I Needed Someone - The Hollies 29 200 The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 18th December 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 18th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 2 1 Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1 19050 1 2 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 2 2 2 2 2 18415 7 3 The River - Ken Dodd 3 3 3 3 6 17525 4 4 1 2 3 - Len Barry 4 4 4 4 4 17145 5 5 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 5 6 5 5 3 16480 3 6 My Generation - The Who 6 5 6 6 5 16160 6 7 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 8 9 7 8 9 14570 8 8 Tears - Ken Dodd 7 8 9 9 7 14340 9 9 Maria - P J Proby 9= 10 8 12 8 13805 15 10 Rescue Me - Fontella Bass 9= 7 13 7 11 13400 17 11 To Whom It Concerns - Chris Andrews 12 12 10 11 14 12495 13 12 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 11 11 12 10 13 12380 10 13 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 14 14 11 14 12 11715 19 14 My Ship Is Coming In - The Walker Brothers 13 13 14 13 10 11435 12 15 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 15 17 15 18 15 9460 24 16 Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group 17 15 16 15 22 9315 11 17 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 16 16 18 17 16 8925 26 18 Till The End Of The Day - The Kinks 18 19 20 19 23 7030 21 19 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 19 22 21 22 20 6135 14 20 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 20 17 21 17 5690 20 21 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 21= 18 26 25 19 5470 16 22 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 21= 19 20 18 5205 27 23 The War Lord - The Shadows 24= 20 24 26 27 4790 NEW 24 My Girl - Otis Redding 24= 21 25 23 28 4555 23 25 How Can You Tell - Sandie Shaw 26 23 27 24 2995 22 26 Yesterday - Matt Monro 27 22 25 2760 NEW 27 Merry Gentle Pops - The Barron Knights 28= 27 29 24 2000 30 28 You Make It Move - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 23 30 30 1950 25 29 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 30 27 29 26 1625 18 30 It's My Life - The Animals 28= 28 21 1600 Rubber Soul (LP) - The Beatles 23 16 1500 A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits 24 1400 You've Got To Be Cruel To Be Kind - Unit 4 + 2 25 1200 Farewell Angelina - Joan Baez 26 1000 If I Needed Someone - The Hollies 28 600 The Very Thought Of You - Tony Bennett 29 400 Girls Girls Girls - The Fourmost 28 300 It Was Easier To Hurt Her - Wayne Fontana 30 200 Take Me For What I'm Worth - The Searchers 30 200 You're The One - Petula Clark 29 170 Don't Fight It - Wilson Pickett 30 85 Last edited by MrTibbs; Thu August 20, 2020, 20:17.The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.Comment
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