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  • There seemed to be no consistency. In October they split the Yardbirds yet in December they combined the Beatles double A sider. They probably knew the howls of protest that would come their way if the splitting prevented it reaching No 1.
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    • Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 23rd October 1965.

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 23rd 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
      1 1 Tears - Ken Dodd 1 1 1 1 1 19050
      3 2 Almost There - Andy Williams 2 2 2 2 2 18415
      2 3 If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Manfred Mann 3 3 4 3 3 17530
      5 4 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 4 4 3 5 4 17295
      4 5 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 5 5 5 4 5 16610
      13 6 Evil Hearted You / Still I'm Sad - The Yardbirds 6 10 6 6 9 14820
      14 7 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 8 7 8 8 10 14635
      19 8 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 9 6 7 7 18 14505
      6 9 Message Understood - Sandie Shaw 7 8 9 9 6 14425
      10 10 Some Of Your Lovin' - Dusty Springfield 10 12 10 11 8 13005
      20 11 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 11 9 12 10 17 12440
      17 12 In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett 12 14 14 13 12 11065
      9 13 Baby Don't Go - Sonny and Cher 14 19 11 12 13 10830
      8 14 Make It Easy On Yourself - The Walker Brothers 13 15 16 15 7 10590
      11 15 Il Silenzio - Nini Rosso 15 18 13 16 11 10300
      NEW 16 Yesterday - Matt Monro 16 11 15 14 26 10125
      7 17 Look Through Any Window - The Hollies 17 17 18 17 14 8895
      16 18 Whatcha Gonna Do About It - The Small Faces 18 16 17 18 19 8820
      12 19 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones 19 20 20 19 15 7510
      15 20 A Walk In The Black Forest - Horst Jankowski 20 23 19 20 16 6975
      NEW 21 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 21 22 21 21 5300
      24 22 Papa's Got A Brand New Bag - James Brown 23 21 27 26 25 4010
      23 23 Zorba's Dance - Marcello Minerbi 22 30 22 24 21 4000
      29 24 I Love You Yes I Do - The Merseybeats 24 26 25 22 3400
      18 25 I Got You Babe - Sonny and Cher 25 23 20 2935
      21 26 Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan 26 26 29 30 22 2365
      NEW 27 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 27 24 23 2200
      27 28 You've Got To Hide Your Love Away - The Silkie 30 24 28 2005
      25 29 That Means A Lot - P J Proby 29 26 29 1850
      22 30 That's The Way - The Honeycombs 29 28 23 1430
      Still I'm Sad - The Yardbirds 13
      Take A Heart - The Sorrows 28 30 25 24 1395
      But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 25 1200
      I Know How It Feels To Be Loved - The Nashville Teens 28 600
      The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 27 400
      Just A Little Bit Better - Herman's Hermits 27 340
      When I Get Home - The Searchers 28 300
      Shame And Scandal In The Family - Lance Percival 30 250
      Help - The Beatles 29 170
      Laugh At Me - Sonny 30 85
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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      • As several have pointed out already, it's amazing to see how RR lags the other charts. For the above chart, look at the big movers up, and the big movers down, a change of 6 or more ultimate points, and RR lags behind in every case, except for the split Yardbirds record. I trust Alan Smith when he says RR's sample period was Monday thru Saturday like all the other charts, but something was definitely amiss at RR...

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        • Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View Post
          As several have pointed out already, it's amazing to see how RR lags the other charts. For the above chart, look at the big movers up, and the big movers down, a change of 6 or more ultimate points, and RR lags behind in every case, except for the split Yardbirds record. I trust Alan Smith when he says RR's sample period was Monday thru Saturday like all the other charts, but something was definitely amiss at RR...
          Supposedly there was no overlap between the stores that the 4 different chart compilers used. While it doesn't seem likely, what if the stores that RR used had a delayed delivery schedule so that they didn't get their new stock until later in the week? This could explain why they underrepresent new releases and to some extent other tracks if they'd run out and didn't get replacement stock until later in the week. Alternatively perhaps they were smaller, less frequently visited stores in the RR panel and so they are not as up to date. Of course we can speculate until the cows come home but unless there is an historical record of which shops were used by RR and how they differ from those the other chart compilers used, we may never know why the RR chart lags behind the others.....

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          • These snippets might add some light onto things:
            1964 - Record Retailer increases its sample pool from 30 to 85 by using EMI and Decca's distribution lists. Melody Maker and NME are using around 150 and Disc is polling 100 outlets
            1965 - The NME chart is suspected of 'hyping' charts when a member of their staff is found to be involved in manipulations resulting in Bob Dylan recordings enter their chart at much higher ratings than others
            1967 - Saturday 26th August - The Disc and Music Echo ceases using its own charts and uses a chart combined with that of Melody Maker, using a sample pool of 280 outlets. NME are now using 200 and Record Retailer are still using 85.
            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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            • Robin, Alan Smith wrote this on this site which does mean that Record Retailer was compiled different to the other charts:
              From this list a rotating core of 75 to 85 shops would post in their top 50 sellers to “Record Retailer” who would pay part of the postal costs. This new system commenced at the start of 1964. Unfortunately it was still a chart based on a different day of compilation to it’s competitors (Tuesday as opposed to Monday for all others) and the chart still suffered from unusually low first week entries e.g. no Beatles single ever entered at no 1 in the “Record Retailer” compiled listings.
              Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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              • To add further controversy. Adding these weekly charts to my weekly lists from all the papers flags up another interesting point. NME can be just as inconsistent as RR. I never noticed this so obviously before but on some weeks NME is also as way out of the range as RR. Higher placings than the others and records leaving the chart before the others. Strangely MM in particular and Disc are week on week the most consistent. Any of you guys noticed this too ?
                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                  Robin, Alan Smith wrote this on this site which does mean that Record Retailer was compiled different to the other charts:
                  Right Graham. RR compiled a day later than the other charts, but according to Alan their dealers still sampled over the same period Monday thru Saturday. Could it have been that some of the RR dealers reported their results for a Saturday thru Friday period, giving them an extra day to get their dealer chart into RR on time, not telling RR what they were doing? That would explain things, say if a small number of dealers did that, maybe 10% or so?

                  I sure wouldn't think RR would have accepted a too late dealer chart and used it for the following week, that would have thrown their results off even more, ha.

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                  • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                    To add further controversy. Adding these weekly charts to my weekly lists from all the papers flags up another interesting point. NME can be just as inconsistent as RR. I never noticed this so obviously before but on some weeks NME is also as way out of the range as RR. Higher placings than the others and records leaving the chart before the others. Strangely MM in particular and Disc are week on week the most consistent. Any of you guys noticed this too ?
                    I haven't studied it in detail Brian, but I have occasionally noticed NME with some 'odd man out' positions relative to the other charts. They did count pre-orders as sales for the first week, and I think Disc did that too, but that would only account for first week disparities. I'll look more closely in the upcoming charts...

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                    • Here is a prime example of just how out of touch RR was with the other three charts. In order to ensure you guys always get at least one chart every day I work ahead of what I post. I'm currently on 19th February 1966 the infamous week RR denied the Rolling Stones the No 1 position with 19th Nervous Breakdown. Aside from that huge anomaly RR had 9, yes 9, records in their top thirty that were not placed on any of the other 3. A third of their chart. Each week each other chart will have a few, 3 maybe 4, different but here is RR with 9.
                      Furthermore so many other records chart positions on RR were way outside the parameters of the other 3.
                      Massive evidence their paltry store sample of 85 was insufficient.
                      Strangely though, Disc with only a fraction more of store samples than RR at 100 managed to produce a much more consistent chart that was in step with the others week on week.
                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                      • Mr Tibbs
                        This is great work - thanks for your efforts, and thanks also to the interesting and relevant comments from others.
                        Great!

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                        • I'm really glad you are enjoying it membranemusic so thanks for your support and to all you guys who follow and post.
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                          • Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 30th October 1965.

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 30th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            1 1 Tears - Ken Dodd 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                            6 2 Evil Hearted You * / Still I'm Sad - The Yardbirds 5 11 2 2 4 18185
                            8 3 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 2 2 5 3 5 17310
                            7 4 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 4 4 3 4 6 17225
                            2 5 Almost There - Andy Williams 3 5 4 5 2 17015
                            4 6 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 6 8 6 10 3 15330
                            11 7 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 7 7 7 6 9 15170
                            NEW 8 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 9 3 8 7 17 14940
                            16 9 Yesterday - Matt Monro 8 6 9 8 10 14585
                            3 10 If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Manfred Mann 10 9 10 9 7 13890
                            5 11 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 11 9 11 11 8 13355
                            10 12 Some Of Your Lovin' - Dusty Springfield 12 13 12 12 11 11950
                            9 13 Message Understood - Sandie Shaw 13 14 13 13 12 11315
                            12 14 In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett 14 17 15 14 13 10030
                            21 15 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 15 16 14 15 22 9615
                            18 16 Whatcha Gonna Do About It - The Small Faces 17 20 18 19 18 7755
                            15 17 Il Silenzio - Nini Rosso 18 24 16 22 14 7495
                            13 18 Baby Don't Go - Sonny and Cher 16 25 17 16 16 7475
                            NEW 19 It's My Life - The Animals 20 14 23 18 6700
                            14 20 Make It Easy On Yourself - The Walker Brothers 19 27 19 20 15 6260
                            NEW 21 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 21 19 24 17 29 5720
                            NEW 22 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 23= 18 28 21 4350
                            17 23 Look Through Any Window - The Hollies 22 20 26 19 4270
                            27 24 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 23= 21 30 23 24 3645
                            20 25 A Walk In The Black Forest - Horst Jankowski 26 21 21 3350
                            NEW 26 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 27 23 27 24 3300
                            19 27 ( I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones 25 22 20 3185
                            NEW 28 Baby I'm Yours - Peter and Gordon 28 27 25 25 2900
                            24 29 I Love You Yes I Do - The Merseybeats 29 30 26 29 23 2330
                            NEW 30 I Know How It Feels To Be Loved - The Nashville Teens 22 1800
                            * Unlike previous weeks the split sides this week
                            affected the averaged chart position, so an average
                            was taken from the other 3 charts and awarded to
                            NME to give a more representative average.
                            Still I'm Sad - The Yardbirds * 12
                            Papa's Got A Brand New Bag - James Brown 30 29 25 1010
                            1 2 3 - Len Barry 26 1000
                            Something - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 27 30 900
                            Zorba's Dance - Marcello Minerbi 26 425
                            Shame And Scandal In The Family - Lance Percival 27 400
                            That's The Way - The Honeycombs 27 340
                            When I Get Home - The Searchers 28 300
                            Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan 28 255
                            That Means A Lot - P J Proby 30 85
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                            • I believe the only way you can look at how Record Retailer worked in practice is that it wasn't using all 85 shops to produce the chart. Alan Smith says that the chart was compiled by one man. And given that he had a day less to produce a chart than the other charts, had less time to do it in. To get around this problem he must have cut the number of shops he actually used to a VERY low level. Plus the postal system would also limit the number. The British Market Research Bureau had the same problem with the post in the 70's and onwards, cutting shop returns down. The less shops used would limit the sales level. It will show up with new hits especially. At that time records were issued on Friday, giving only two days of sales in the first week. However the stores can shift a lot on Saturday alone. If you take the Stones - Cloud record. It was issued on the 22 October. But the week ending date is misleading since it looks like the Stones had 8 days of sales, or at least seven! When in fact the sales period of the Chart for the week ending 30 October was actually the 18 to 23 October! The Stones track itself would have had a lot of orders meaning the record shops would have lots of copies to sell on the 22 and 23 October. The more shops you sample the more sales you will get. Cut down the number of shops and have more smaller stores taking part and you reduce the impact of new sellers. Many of the big stores that would have taken more orders and got the lion's share didn't take part and probably refused to do so in these charts.
                              It's interesting to note that the Real Chart for the 24 October, covering the same seven days, has the Stones top on 159,000. And Ken on 145,000. A gap of only 14,000 copies.

                              My conclusion is that Record Retailer was probably only using 25 stores to compile it's chart each week out of the 85, while the others were using 50+ depending on how many stores were sending in information.
                              Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                              • I did a little more digging and discovered that the Yardbirds AA was issued on 1st October and if you look at the other charts they have in for those two days of sales. But RR doesn't pick it up for the following week. However the 22 entry position is not for the week ending date, but Record Mirror's Thursday date of publication of the 14 October. I'm not certain what date RR came out. The same date is also given in publications of the Hit Singles books and is still used today on the Official Chart. This might fit in with the current dating system of charts, but this was a recent innovation, designed not to give only two days of sales for new entries. If the same system had been in place back in 1965 new hits would have entered the RR chart HIGHER than they do. Since they would have a full six days of sales (no Sunday selling back then).
                                It's another bizarre oddity in Record Retailer life.
                                Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                • NME and Disc always seem to be ahead of the other two charts on New Entries, probably because of their policy of including advance orders and as mentioned above by Graham RR always seems to be the last chart that existing hits leave. No doubt about it as so many of you have pointed out before RR is by far the weakest chart.
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                                  • Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 6th November 1965.

                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 6th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                    8 1 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                                    1 2 Tears - Ken Dodd 2 3 2 2 2 18215
                                    3 3 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 3 2 3 3 4 17895
                                    4 4 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 5 5 4 5 5 16760
                                    7 5 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 4 4 5 4 6 16725
                                    2 6 Still I'm Sad* / Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds 6 9 8 6 3 15710
                                    9 7 Yesterday - Matt Monro 7 6 7 7 8 15355
                                    5 8 Almost There - Andy Williams 8 8 6 8 7 15190
                                    19 9 It’s My Life - The Animals 9 7 9 9 10 14285
                                    6 10 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 10 12 10 10 9 13020
                                    15 11 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 11 14 11 11 14 11845
                                    26 12 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 12 11 14 13 13 11580
                                    22 13 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 13 13 13 12 15 11360
                                    12 14 Some Of Your Lovin' - Dusty Springfield 14 19 12 14 16 10125
                                    11 15 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 16 18 16 17 11 9450
                                    10 16 If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Manfred Mann 15 20 15 15 12 9415
                                    NEW 17 1 2 3 - Len Barry 19 15 19 16 7700
                                    13 18 Message Understood - Sandie Shaw 18 24 17 20 19 7020
                                    21 19 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 17 23 21 19 17 6490
                                    14 20 In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett 20 27 18 18 18 6455
                                    28 21 Baby I'm Yours - Peter and Gordon 21 21 24 21 22 5515
                                    NEW 22 My Generation - The Who 23 16 27 23 4800
                                    24 23 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 22 22 28 22 20 4385
                                    NEW 24 Something - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 25 26 23 28 27 3640
                                    17 25 Il Silenzio - Nini Rosso 26 20 29 24 3545
                                    NEW 26 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 24 17 24 3500
                                    NEW 27 In The Chapel In The Moonlight - The Bachelors 27 28 25 25 2700
                                    16 28 Whatcha Gonna Do About It - The Small Faces 28 22 26 2675
                                    25 29 A Walk In The Black Forest - Horst Jankowski 26 29 1420
                                    20 30 Make It Easy On Yourself - The Walker Brothers 29 29 21 1350
                                    * The split sides this week would again have
                                    affected the averaged chart position, so an average
                                    was taken from the other 3 charts and awarded to
                                    NME to give a more representative average.
                                    Evil Hearted You* - The Yardbirds 10
                                    Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 25 1200
                                    I Love You Yes I Do - The Merseybeats 30 23 680
                                    Turquoise - Donovan 30 27 600
                                    Baby Don't Go - Sonny and Cher 25 510
                                    (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones 30 28 505
                                    Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 26 500
                                    I Know How It Feels To Be Loved - The Nashville Teens 29 400
                                    Treat Her Right - Roy Head 30 30 300
                                    Look Through Any Window - The Hollies 30 85





                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                    • Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 13th November 1965.
                                      This week the split sides make no difference to The Yardbirds' average chart position.

                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 13th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                      1 1 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                                      3 2 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 2 2 2 2 3 18330
                                      2 3 Tears - Ken Dodd 3 8 3 3 2 16865
                                      9 4 It's My Life - The Animals 4= 5 4 4 7 16690
                                      5 5 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 4= 6 5 5 4 16395
                                      12 6 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 7 7 6 7 10 15235
                                      4 7 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 6 10 7 6 6 14825
                                      7 8 Yesterday - Matt Monro 8 9 8 8 8 14405
                                      17 9 1 2 3 - Len Barry 9= 4 10 10 15 14110
                                      22 10 My Generation - The Who 9= 3 13 9 14 13745
                                      6 11 Still I'm Sad / Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds 11 12 11 11 5 13010
                                      13 12 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 13 15 9 12 12 12215
                                      8 13 Almost There - Andy Williams 12 13 12 13 9 12020
                                      11 14 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 14 16 14 14 11 10650
                                      26 15 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 15 11 16 15 23 10030
                                      10 16 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 16 23 15 16 13 8630
                                      16 17 If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Manfred Mann 17 26 19 17 17 6590
                                      15 18 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 18 17 20 16 5875
                                      NEW 19 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 20 17 23 23 29 5770
                                      NEW 20 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 21 18 22 22 5750
                                      14 21 Some Of Your Lovin' - Dusty Springfield 19 18 18 18 5655
                                      NEW 22 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 22 20 26 19 4650
                                      19 23 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 23= 20 30 21 3700
                                      27 24 In The Chapel In The Moonlight - The Bachelors 23= 21 28 25 28 3605
                                      20 25 In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett 26 21 26 25 3510
                                      NEW 26 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 23= 19 21 3400
                                      21 27 Baby I'm Yours - Peter and Gordon 27 30 25 29 19 2920
                                      18 28 Message Understood - Sandie Shaw 28 24 27 24 2745
                                      NEW 29 I'm Gonna Take You There - Dave Berry 22 1800
                                      NEW 30 Treat Her Right - Roy Head 25 30 30 1535
                                      Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds 14
                                      Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 29 29 20 1435
                                      Our Love Is Slipping Away - The Ivy League 24 1400
                                      Il Silenzio - Nini Rosso 27 27 1340
                                      Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 30 28 24 1300
                                      Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 27 28 1100
                                      I Love You Yes I Do - The Merseybeats 22 765
                                      Something - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 30 26 625
                                      Who You Gonna Hurt - Beryl Marsden 29 400
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                      • Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 20th November 1965.

                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 20th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                        1 1 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 1 1 2 1 1 18800
                                        6 2 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 2 3 1 2 2 18465
                                        9 3 1 2 3 - Len Barry 3 2 5 3 6 17225
                                        2 4 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 4 5 3 5 3 17180
                                        10 5 My Generation - The Who 5 4 4 4 5 17060
                                        4 6 It's My Life - The Animals 6 6 6 6 7 15790
                                        3 7 Tears - Ken Dodd 7 8 7 7 4 15295
                                        5 8 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 8 7 9 8 8 14555
                                        12 9 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 9 12 8 9 10 13535
                                        8 10 Yesterday - Matt Monro 10 10 10 11 11 13150
                                        15 11 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 11 9 12 10 15 12610
                                        11 12 Still I'm Sad / Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds 12 13 13 12 9 11870
                                        19 13 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 13 11 14 13 16 11325
                                        7 14 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 14 17 11 14 12 11115
                                        14 15 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 15 19 15 16 14 9345
                                        13 16 Almost There - Andy Williams 16 18 16 18 13 9180
                                        22 17 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 17 15 18 15 18 9155
                                        20 18 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 18 14 17 17 22 9065
                                        26 19 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 20 20 22 21 28 5705
                                        NEW 20 You're The One - Petula Clark 21 22 20 25 25 5660
                                        NEW 21 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 19 21 24 19 26 5375
                                        16 22 Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 21 21 24 17 4390
                                        NEW 23 The River - Ken Dodd 23 22 26 20 4150
                                        23 24 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 24 19 20 3935
                                        24 25 In The Chapel In The Moonlight - The Bachelors 25 26 28 22 27 2990
                                        NEW 26 Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 26 27 27 23 2600
                                        30 27 Treat Her Right - Roy Head 27 23 26 30 2585
                                        18 28 Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 28= 25 24 2095
                                        NEW 29 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 25 28 1500
                                        NEW 30 Our Love Is Slipping Away - The Ivy League 24 1400
                                        Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds 16
                                        Baby I'm Yours - Peter and Gordon 28= 29 30 21 1350
                                        Something - Georgie Fame 30= 27 23 1080
                                        Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 30= 19 1020
                                        Who You Gonna Hurt - Beryl Marsden 30 30 29 650
                                        I'm Gonna Take You There - Dave Berry 28 600
                                        Turquoise - Donovan 29 500
                                        If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Manfred Mann 29 170
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                        • Greetings Pop Pickers ! I'm just in from work. Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 27th November 1965.
                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 27th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                          2 1 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 1 2 1 1 1 18850
                                          3 2 1 2 3 - Len Barry 2 1 2 2 4 18445
                                          5 3 My Generation - The Who 3 3 3 3 2 17865
                                          1 4 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 4 4 4 4 3 17230
                                          4 5 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 5 5 5 5 6 16425
                                          7 6 Tears - Ken Dodd 6 6 7 7 5 15610
                                          13 7 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 7 8 6 8 8 15105
                                          6 8 It's My Life - The Animals 8 9 8 9 7 14390
                                          11 9 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 9 7 10 6 11 14250
                                          9 10 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 10 12 9 10 10 13185
                                          8 11 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 11 11 11 11 9 12870
                                          17 12 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 12 10 13 12 12 12215
                                          10 13 Yesterday - Matt Monro 13 13 12 13 13 11680
                                          12 14 Still I'm Sad / Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds* 15 19 14 17 14 10295
                                          23 15 The River - Ken Dodd 14 14 15 14 19 10120
                                          18 16 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 16 17 16 15 18 9255
                                          16 17 Almost There - Andy Williams 17 20 19 19 16 7675
                                          21 18 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 18 18 22 16 20 7285
                                          14 19 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 19 27 17 18 17 6790
                                          19 20 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 20 26 18 21 21 6100
                                          20 21 You're The One - Petula Clark 21 24 20 20 23 5930
                                          NEW 22 Maria - P J Proby 23 15 23 25 5800
                                          15 23 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 22 21 22 15 4760
                                          29 24 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 24 16 26 26 4750
                                          NEW 25 How Can You Tell - Sandie Shaw 26 22 28 24 3250
                                          RE 26 Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 25 28 29 23 22 2665
                                          24 27 But You're Mine - Sonny and Cher 29 24 24 2345
                                          26 28 Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 28 25 27 26 2325
                                          NEW 29 Rescue Me - Fontella Bass 27 23 29 1800
                                          30 30 Our Love Is Slipping Away - The Ivy League 30 25 1200
                                          * Again this week the split sides would have affected
                                          the averaged chart position so an average was taken
                                          from the other 3 charts and awarded to NME to give
                                          a more representative average.
                                          Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds* 21
                                          In The Chapel In The Moonlight - The Bachelors 27 30 1085
                                          To Whom It Concerns - Chris Andrews 28 600
                                          Baby I'm Yours - Peter and Gordon 30 25 510
                                          Turn Turn Turn - The Byrds 30 30 350
                                          Eve Of Destruction - Barry McGuire 27 340
                                          The War Lord - The Shadows 28 300
                                          Something - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 28 255
                                          I Left My Heart In San Francisco - Tony Bennett 30 200
                                          Hang On Sloopy - The McCoys 29 170
                                          Last edited by MrTibbs; Wed August 19, 2020, 06:08.
                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                          • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                            Greetings Pop Pickers ! I'm just in from work. Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 27th November 1965.

                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 27th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                            12 14 Still I'm Sad / Evil Hearted You - The Yardbirds* 15 15 14 17 14 10295
                                            Still I'm Sad should be #19 in the NME Chart

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                                            • Yeah thats true. It was just a case of forgetting to change that back to 19 from 15 once I had calculated the average so it doesn't alter the outcome of the chart, but I like complete accuracy so thanks for picking up on that Woz
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                              • Greetings Pop Pickers ! I hope you are all still enjoying seeing the ultimate averaged chart the way it should have been compiled at the time.

                                                Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 4th December 1965.

                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 4th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                1 1 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                                                3 2 My Generation - The Who 2= 3 2 3 2 18115
                                                2 3 1 2 3 - Len Barry 2= 2 3 2 3 18080
                                                7 4 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 4 4 4 4 7 16890
                                                6 5 Tears - Ken Dodd 5 4 8 5 6 15875
                                                9 6 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 6 6 7 6 5 15710
                                                4 7 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 7 8 6 7 4 15545
                                                15 8 The River - Ken Dodd 8 7 5 8 11 15300
                                                12 9 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 9 11 10 10 9 13220
                                                10 10 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 10 12 9 12 8 13155
                                                5 11 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 11 9 13 9 10 12885
                                                22 12 Maria - P J Proby 12 10 12 11 14 12395
                                                8 13 It's My Life - The Animals 13 15 11 13 12 11615
                                                18 14 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 14 14 17 14 13 10130
                                                13 15 Yesterday - Matt Monro 16 18 16 16 16 9125
                                                16 16 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 15 22 14 15 15 9010
                                                24 17 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 17 13 18 19 20 8985
                                                11 18 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 18 21 15 17 18 8505
                                                20 19 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 19 19 19 18 17 7890
                                                25 20 How Can You Tell - Sandie Shaw 20 20 20 24 21 6500
                                                29 21 Rescue Me - Fontella Bass 22 16 24 21 5750
                                                21 22 You're The One - Petula Clark 21 23 21 22 25 5510
                                                NEW 23 To Whom It Concerns - Chris Andrews 23 17 26 20 5150
                                                NEW 24 The War Lord - The Shadows 26 25 25 25 3300
                                                14 25 Evil Hearted You / Still I'm Sad - The Yardbirds 24 23 26 22 3265
                                                17 26 Almost There - Andy Williams 28 22 24 2845
                                                28 27 Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 25 26 29 29 19 2720
                                                NEW 28 My Ship Is Coming In - The Walker Brothers 27 23 23 2400
                                                19 29 It's Good News Week - Hedgehoppers Anonymous 27 28 28 1555
                                                23 30 Love Is Strange - The Everly Brothers 29 28 23 1430
                                                Turn Turn Turn - The Byrds 30 28 30 30 26 1375
                                                I Left My Heart In San Francisco - Tony Bennett 26 1000
                                                Until It's Time For You To Go - The Four Pennies 30 27 540
                                                Standing In The Ruins - Keely Smith 29 400
                                                Till The End Of The day - The Kinks 27 400
                                                Down Came The Rain - Mister Murray 30 200
                                                Walk Hand In Hand - Gerry and The Pacemakers 29 170
                                                Turquoise - Donovan 30 85
                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                                • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                                  Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 11th December 1965.

                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 11th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                  1 1 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 1 2 1 2 1 18750
                                                  NEW 2 Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out - The Beatles 2 1 3 1 2 18465
                                                  2 3 My Generation - The Who 3 5 2 5 3 17430
                                                  3 4 1 2 3 - Len Barry 4 3 4 3 6 17275
                                                  4 5 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 5 4 5 4 4 16895
                                                  6 6 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 6 7 6 8 5 15560
                                                  8 7 The River - Ken Dodd 7 6 7 6 7 15540
                                                  5 8 Tears - Ken Dodd 8 8 8 9 8 14505
                                                  12 9 Maria - P J Proby 9 9 9 7 12 13915
                                                  9 10 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 10 10 10 10 10 13335
                                                  7 11 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 11 15 12 13 9 11620
                                                  10 12 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 12 15 11 14 11 11600
                                                  17 13 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 13 12 13 11 16 11575
                                                  11 14 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 15 13 14 17 19 10270
                                                  21 15 Rescue Me - Fontella Bass 14 11 19 12 18 10005
                                                  14 16 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 16 19 15 15 15 9360
                                                  23 17 To Whom It Concerns - Chris Andrews 18 14 21 16 21 8250
                                                  13 18 It's My Life - The Animals 19 21 16 21 14 8195
                                                  28 19 My Ship Is Coming In - The Walker Brothers 17 17 23 18 13 7630
                                                  19 20 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 21 18 22 20 24 6545
                                                  16 21 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 20 27 17 22 17 6390
                                                  15 22 Yesterday - Matt Monro 22 24 18 27 20 5985
                                                  20 23 How Can You Tell - Sandie Shaw 23 22 20 25 23 5830
                                                  NEW 24 Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group 25= 20 29 24 30 3485
                                                  18 25 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 25= 27 25 26 25 3310
                                                  NEW 26 Till The End Of The Day - The Kinks 25= 26 28 23 26 2975
                                                  24 27 The War Lord - The Shadows 29 30 24 28 2250
                                                  NEW 28 I Left My Heart In San Francisco - Tony Bennett 23 1600
                                                  22 29 You're The One - Petula Clark 30 26 28 1505
                                                  NEW 30 You Make It Move - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 25 1200
                                                  Rubber Soul (LP) - The Beatles 24 19 1200
                                                  Don't Fight It - Wilson Pickett 27 29 1170
                                                  Crawling Back - Roy Orbison 28 22 765
                                                  My Girl - Otis Redding 29 30 500
                                                  Turn Turn Turn - The Byrds 27 340
                                                  Almost There - Andy Williams 30 250
                                                  If I Needed Someone - The Hollies 29 200
                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                                  • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                                    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 18th December 1965.
                                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 18th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                    2 1 Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                                                    1 2 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 2 2 2 2 2 18415
                                                    7 3 The River - Ken Dodd 3 3 3 3 6 17525
                                                    4 4 1 2 3 - Len Barry 4 4 4 4 4 17145
                                                    5 5 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 5 6 5 5 3 16480
                                                    3 6 My Generation - The Who 6 5 6 6 5 16160
                                                    6 7 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys 8 9 7 8 9 14570
                                                    8 8 Tears - Ken Dodd 7 8 9 9 7 14340
                                                    9 9 Maria - P J Proby 9= 10 8 12 8 13805
                                                    15 10 Rescue Me - Fontella Bass 9= 7 13 7 11 13400
                                                    17 11 To Whom It Concerns - Chris Andrews 12 12 10 11 14 12495
                                                    13 12 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 11 11 12 10 13 12380
                                                    10 13 Princess In Rags - Gene Pitney 14 14 11 14 12 11715
                                                    19 14 My Ship Is Coming In - The Walker Brothers 13 13 14 13 10 11435
                                                    12 15 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan 15 17 15 18 15 9460
                                                    24 16 Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group 17 15 16 15 22 9315
                                                    11 17 Get Off Of My Cloud - The Rolling Stones 16 16 18 17 16 8925
                                                    26 18 Till The End Of The Day - The Kinks 18 19 20 19 23 7030
                                                    21 19 Tell Me Why - Elvis Presley 19 22 21 22 20 6135
                                                    14 20 Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews 20 17 21 17 5690
                                                    20 21 Is It Really Over - Jim Reeves 21= 18 26 25 19 5470
                                                    16 22 Don't Bring Me Your Heartaches - Paul and Barry Ryan 21= 19 20 18 5205
                                                    27 23 The War Lord - The Shadows 24= 20 24 26 27 4790
                                                    NEW 24 My Girl - Otis Redding 24= 21 25 23 28 4555
                                                    23 25 How Can You Tell - Sandie Shaw 26 23 27 24 2995
                                                    22 26 Yesterday - Matt Monro 27 22 25 2760
                                                    NEW 27 Merry Gentle Pops - The Barron Knights 28= 27 29 24 2000
                                                    30 28 You Make It Move - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 23 30 30 1950
                                                    25 29 Here It Comes Again - The Fortunes 30 27 29 26 1625
                                                    18 30 It's My Life - The Animals 28= 28 21 1600
                                                    Rubber Soul (LP) - The Beatles 23 16 1500
                                                    A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits 24 1400
                                                    You've Got To Be Cruel To Be Kind - Unit 4 + 2 25 1200
                                                    Farewell Angelina - Joan Baez 26 1000
                                                    If I Needed Someone - The Hollies 28 600
                                                    The Very Thought Of You - Tony Bennett 29 400
                                                    Girls Girls Girls - The Fourmost 28 300
                                                    It Was Easier To Hurt Her - Wayne Fontana 30 200
                                                    Take Me For What I'm Worth - The Searchers 30 200
                                                    You're The One - Petula Clark 29 170
                                                    Don't Fight It - Wilson Pickett 30 85
                                                    Last edited by MrTibbs; Thu August 20, 2020, 20:17.
                                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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