I'd say the BBC chart, even with its foibles, was still better (less imperfect) than RR. And the BBC chart is probably the closest of all of them to the Brian Ultimate Chart...
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Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View PostI'd say the BBC chart, even with its foibles, was still better (less imperfect) than RR. And the BBC chart is probably the closest of all of them to the Brian Ultimate Chart...
The principle behind the BBC chart was sound, no doubt about it, as the averaging process ironed out outliers and found the centre ground. It was the compilation that was haphazard. I honestly believe the BBC saw their chart as a fun chart and not to be taken too seriously. Each week was here today and gone tomorrow and never intended to be retrospectively examined.The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended
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I think all the charts were compiled on an ephemeral basis. They were expected to recover their costs in the week of publication, and I doubt much consideration was given to how they would be viewed in the future.
The charts that stand up most robustly to retrospective examination, RM and then MM, are now the least visible.
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I honestly believe the BBC saw their chart as a fun chart and not to be taken too seriously. Each week was here today and gone tomorrow and never intended to be retrospectively examined.
The same attitude was adopted to the performances of Top of The Pops, with nearly all the 60's shows wiped. The reason being nobody would be interested in them in years to come, especially Black and White. Of course that was before the presenter scandals. But even if they had kept the shows, the performances could have be extracted from them. In the end cost cutting wiped out loads of performances that are simply not available today.
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It is so sad, but true, that nobody had foresight to see any longer-term value in certain programmes that really were trailblazers and significant indicators of the culture of the period. Anything 'youth' or 'pop'-orientated, along with various lightweight comedy programmes, were doubtless dismissed even as they were being made by the stuffy old farts of the Beeb still exerting senior influence at that time.
Basically, your last hopes are some obscure person's yet-to-be-unearthed private archive that's somehow lain untouched for 50+ years, or possibly good old Bob Monkhouse's private video collection! Though I suspect by now all the obvious gems from that incredibly thorough archive will've been clocked and shown, or at least incorporated into official archives for posterity.
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Some of the issues in the early days of TV was a reliably storage/future transmission medium. Plus, the BBC charter (I may be mistaken) was only supposed to have limited repeat programming as it was believed people would not stomach paying the licence fee to see the same stuff again. But that does go back to the old Music Hall/Theatre approach. Silent movies were junked on mass when Sound came along; Black and White TV was junked on mass when Colour came along ('People won't pay for watching a Black and White programme on a Colour TV Licence') until they found home video and the re-sale market....
Still a shame nevertheless. More of the ITV stations (Putting on the Donegan as an example) where saved due to having to be made on film for transfer around different ITV stations.http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
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Grrrrrr ! Im on my way home from hols. Been enjoying 30 degrees all week and Im told its cold and wet back in Scotland. There's a surprise !!! Not.
So normal service resumes tomorrow guys with the continuation of the UAC for 1956.
All together now 'It's Raining It's Pouring' .....
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Originally posted by kingofskiffle View PostSome of the issues in the early days of TV was a reliably storage/future transmission medium. Plus, the BBC charter (I may be mistaken) was only supposed to have limited repeat programming as it was believed people would not stomach paying the licence fee to see the same stuff again. But that does go back to the old Music Hall/Theatre approach. Silent movies were junked on mass when Sound came along; Black and White TV was junked on mass when Colour came along ('People won't pay for watching a Black and White programme on a Colour TV Licence') until they found home video and the re-sale market....
Still a shame nevertheless. More of the ITV stations (Putting on the Donegan as an example) where saved due to having to be made on film for transfer around different ITV stations.
They were very expensive, most people rented TV sets as the broke down often, especially the colour ones. They were massive too, an 18 inch screen set had a huge back on it! Many TV engineers had back problems moving them around. Even the cost of rentals of colour were expensive. We couldn't afford one till 1976!
Nearly all the TV stations used Sony TV's. They were the most expensive of the lot!Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!
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Greetings Pop Pickers
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 4th 1956
Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 4th 1956 NME RM Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points Week Week The Top 23 Singles Chart 20 Scored 1 1 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 1 1 2240 2 2 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes 2 2 2128 6 3 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 3 3 2016 4 4 Love And Marriage - Frank Sinatra 4 4 1904 3 5 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Tennessee Ernie Ford 5 5 1792 7 6 Rock A Beatin' Boogie - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 6 1680 9 7 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 8 7 1508 5 8 Love Is A Many Splendoured Thing - The Four Aces 7 9 1464 10 9 When You Lose The One You Love - David Whitfield and Mantovani 12 8 1216 12 10 Robin Hood - Gary Miller 10 11 1180 11 11 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell 9 14 1084 18 12 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 11 12 1068 8 13 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 14 10 992 13 14 Only You - The Hilltoppers 15 15 672 17 15 Zambesi - Lou Busch 17 13 656 14 16 Sixteen Tons - Frankie Laine 13 19 584 22 17 The Shifting Whispering Sands - Eamonn Andrews 18 17 388 20 18 Robin Hood - Dick James 16 300 NEW 19 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 16 260 NEW 20 Ain't That A Shame - Fats Domino 18 156 RE 21 Suddenly There's A Valley - Jo Stafford 19 120 NEW 22 My Boy Flat Top - Frankie Vaughan 20 60 23 23 With Your Love - Malcolm Vaughan 20 52 15 Meet Me On The Corner - Max Bygraves 16 The Shifting Whispering Sands - Billy Vaughan 21 Suddenly There's A Valley - Petula Clark 19 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Stan Freberg The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended
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Greetings Pop Pickers
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 11th 1956
Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 11th 1956 NME RM Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points Week Week The Top 23 Singles Chart 20 Scored 1 1 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 1 1 2240 3 2 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 2 2 2128 2 3 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes 3 4 1964 NEW 4 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 4 3 1956 15 5 Zambesi - Lou Busch 7 5 1672 4 6 Love And Marriage - Frank Sinatra 5 10 1532 6 7 Rock A Beatin' Boogie - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 9 1524 7 8 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 9 6 1500 14 9 Only You - The Hilltoppers 8 8 1456 5 10 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Tennessee Ernie Ford 10 6 1440 10 11 Robin Hood - Gary Miller 11 13 1016 8 12 Love Is A Many Splendoured Thing - The Four Aces 13 14 844 19 13 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 16 11 820 NEW 14 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton 17 12 708 11 15 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell 15 16 620 12 16 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 12 20 592 18 17 Robin Hood - Dick James 14 420 23 18 With Your Love - Malcolm Vaughan 18 17 388 9 19 When You Lose The One You Love - David Whitfield and Mantovani 15 312 16 20 Sixteen Tons - Frankie Laine 18 156 NEW 21 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 19 120 NEW 22 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 19 104 22 23 My Boy Flat Top - Frankie Vaughan 20 60 13 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 17 The Shifting Whispering Sands - Eamonn Andrews 20 Ain't That A Shame - Fats Domino 21 Suddenly There's A Valley - Jo Stafford The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended
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'Memories Are Made Of This', not just for Dean Martin's very high new entry, but because Don Cherry's 'Band Of Gold' also entering means a lot to me too. An uncle of mine sang this at any family parties so I became familiar with the song and I absolutely love Don Cherry's version. What a voice and What a songThe Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended
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NEW 21 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry
Is that the same song that Freda Payne released in September 1970?
23 My Boy Flat Top - Frankie Vaughan
Maybe that's where John Lennon got the inspiration for the beginning of Come Together.
Here come old flat top
He come grooving up slowly
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Originally posted by brian05 View PostNEW 21 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry
Is that the same song that Freda Payne released in September 1970
Here come old flat top
He come grooving up slowlyThe Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended
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Greetings Pop Pickers
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 18th 1956
Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 18th 1956 NME RM Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points Week Week The Top 22 Singles Chart 20 Scored 4 1 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 1 2 2188 5 2 Zambesi - Lou Busch 3 1 2120 1 3 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 2 3 2076 2 4 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 4 5 1852 13 5 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 6 4 1784 3 6 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes 5 8 1636 9 7 Only You - The Hilltoppers 8 6 1560 6 8 Love And Marriage - Frank Sinatra 7 11 1360 NEW 9 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 9 9 1344 21 10 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 10 10 1232 10 11 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Tennessee Ernie Ford 14 7 1148 8 12 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 12 12 1008 NEW 13 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 13 13 896 16 14 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 11 16 860 22 15 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 17 14 604 11 16 Robin Hood - Gary Miller 17 15 552 7 17 Rock A Beatin' Boogie - Bill Haley and His Comets 15 19 464 NEW 18 Who's Sorry Now - Johnnie Ray 19 17 328 17 19 Robin Hood - Dick James 16 300 RE 20 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 18 156 NEW 21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Max Bygraves 20 60 15 22 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell 20 52 12 Love Is A Many Splendoured Thing - The Four Aces 14 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton 18 With Your Love - Malcolm Vaughan 19 When You Lose The One You Love - David Whitfield and Mantovani 20 Sixteen Tons - Frankie Laine 23 My Boy Flat Top - Frankie Vaughan The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended
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Originally posted by Robbie View Post'Memories Are Made Of This' by Dean Martin has had a very quick climb to the top. Was it featured in a film or just very popular at the time?Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!
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Greetings Pop Pickers
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 25th 1956
Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 25th 1956 NME RM Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points Week Week The Top 24 Singles Chart 20 Scored 1 1 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 1 2 2188 2 2 Zambesi - Lou Busch 2 1 2180 5 3 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 3 3 2016 4 4 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 4 4 1904 3 5 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 5 5 1792 7 6 Only You - The Hilltoppers 6 6 1680 9 7 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 7 8 1516 10 8 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 8 7 1508 6 9 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes 9 10 1292 12 10 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 11 11 1120 15 11 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 12 12 1008 13 12 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 15 9 984 14 13 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 10 16 920 11 14 Ballad Of Davy Crocket - Tennessee Ernie Ford 14 13 836 8 15 Love And Marriage - Frank Sinatra 13 17 688 17 16 Rock A Beatin' Boogie - Bill Haley and The Comets 19 15 432 NEW 17 With Your Love - Robert Earl 13 416 19 18 Robin Hood - Dick James 16 300 18 19 Who's Sorry Now - Johnnie Ray 17 240 NEW 20 In Old Lisbon - Frank Chacksfield 18 180 RE 21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Gary Miller (A) 18 156 20 22 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 19 104 RE 23 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton 20 60 NEW 24 Young And Foolish - Dean Martin 20 52 21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Max Bygraves 22 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell 16 Robin Hood - Gary Miller (B) The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended
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11 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge
23 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton
24 Young And Foolish - Dean Martin
21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Gary Miller (A)
? Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Max Bygraves
14 Ballad Of Davy Crocket - Tennessee Ernie Ford
9 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes
18 Robin Hood - Dick James
? Robin Hood - Gary Miller (B)
I assume these are cover versions.
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Originally posted by brian05 View Post11 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge
23 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton
24 Young And Foolish - Dean Martin
21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Gary Miller (A)
? Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Max Bygraves
14 Ballad Of Davy Crocket - Tennessee Ernie Ford
9 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes
18 Robin Hood - Dick James
? Robin Hood - Gary Miller (B)
I assume these are cover versions.The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended
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I kind of see why Cashbox printed a list of titles in the 1940's and combined all versions. Listen to the various versions and they all sound pretty identical (okay some do change it a little) but it's not as if one is, say, Jazz and another is, say, Punk (Yes Punk is the 70's but you get what I mean!). They all sound roughly the same. Is that good? I like the change that's now starting to happen (Lonnie, Elvis, Cliff etc ) of 'writing your own stuff' .http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
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Originally posted by kingofskiffle View PostI kind of see why Cashbox printed a list of titles in the 1940's and combined all versions. Listen to the various versions and they all sound pretty identical .The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended
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The multitude of titles all by the same artists is down to the way the industry worked at that time. Song writers took the work to Tin Pan Alley or the Brill Building in the USA and got the work published by them. It was then sent around to the Record Companies, who each had a team of A&R men (no women of course) for each label on the books. They would all listen to the songs presented to them and pick out the best. Each A&R man would assign the track to the artists on the books. The artists had to sing them of course. Few artists wrote their own material so they needed the songs to have hits. The Music Publishers would take the work around to each Record Company. Any songs from the USA would also be done like this. Generally the Labels tried to get an English artist to sing and record the US song before the one on the USA labels got issued in the UK. The largest company in the UK EMI had many labels under it's brand. Each with it's own A&R chap. Just because one A&R wanted one song for an artist, didn't stop another A&R chap selecting the same song. Nor did it stop each A&R chap picking the same song for different artists on the same label.
It was the Beatles that ended the system, but for a while they (well Lennon & McCartney) were feeding the system.
The system had two flaws. It didn't encourage groups. And in the end certain songwriters or teams held the monopoly on popular songs. I also think it didn't help instrumental hits as they are not common at all.Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!
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Greetings Pop Pickers
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 3rd 1956
Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 3rd 1956 NME RM Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points Week Week The Top 27 Singles Chart 20 Scored 1 1 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 1 1 2240 2 2 Zambesi - Lou Busch 2 2 2128 3 3 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 3 3 2016 7 4 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 4 5 1852 6 5 Only You - The Hilltoppers 5 4 1844 8 6 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 6 6 1680 4 7 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 7 7 1568 5 8 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 8 9 1404 10 9 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 9 10 1292 12 10 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 11 8 1276 11 11 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 10 11 1180 9 12 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes 12 12 1008 13 13 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 13 16 740 15 14 Love And Marriage - Frank Sinatra 16 16 560 18 15 Robin Hood - Dick James 14 420 NEW 16 Jimmy Unknown - Lita Roza 13 416 16 17 Rock A Beatin' Boogie - Bill Haley and His Comets 14 364 14 17 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Tennessee Ernie Ford 14 364 20 19 In Old Lisbon - Frank Chacksfield 15 360 NEW 20 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 17 240 RE 21 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell 18 180 17 22 With Your Love - Robert Earl 18 156 NEW 23 My September Love - David Whitfield 19 120 22 24 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 19 104 24 25 Young And Foolish - Dean Martin 20 60 RE 25 With Your Love - Malcolm Vaughan 20 60 NEW 27 Tumbling Tumbleweeds - Slim Whitman 20 52 19 Who's Sorry Now - Johnnie Ray 21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Gary Miller 23 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended
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