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That's unusual. Two lots of tied points (3 & 4 and 8 & 9) in the top 10 (both split by MM position). Is that a first?
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I used the same criteria as I always do for tied points Brian, that being, which had most points from the music paper with most returns. As Helen placed higher in MM she was awarded the higher place. The BBC average was only taken from NME, MM, and Disc at this time with RM and RR not included.
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3 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 4 5 4 4 5 3 8810 4 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 3 3 5 5 3 6 8810
What criteria was used to separate songs with the same number of points?
How come the BBC order was reversed?
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Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 13th 1961
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 13th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 Blue Moon - The Marcels 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900 2 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 2 2 2 2 2 2 9570 4 3 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 4 5 4 4 5 3 8810 8 4 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 3 3 5 5 3 6 8810 3 5 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 5 8 3 3 4 5 8730 14 6 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 6 6 6 8 6 4 8090 11 7 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 7 7 8 9 9 7 7540 7 8 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 9 14 10 6 7 9 7230 21 9 Runaway - Del Shannon 8 4 7 12 11 13 7230 6 10 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 10 12 17 7 8 11 6750 10 11 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 11 15 11 10 10 8 6530 NEW 12 The Frightened City - The Shadows 12= 9 9 14 16 19 6060 12 13 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 14 10 12 15 17 10 5910 17 14 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 12= 11 14 16 12 14 5730 9 15 Are You Sure - The Allisons 15= 20 15 11 14 18 5280 5 16 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 15= 17 19 13 15 16 5070 26 17 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 17 12 13 18 18 21 4980 13 18 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 18 19 16 17 13 12 4870 15 19 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 19 15 20 20 20 15 4180 16 20 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 26 19 17 2140 NEW 21 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 23 18 19 2020 NEW 22 I Still Love You All - Kenny Ball 20 18 1040 24 23 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 22 23 960 28 24 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 21 28 890 23 25 Samantha - Kenny Ball 25 24 690 27 26 Mother-In-Law - Ernie K-Doe 24 560 19 27 F.B.I. - The Shadows 29 20 490 NEW 28 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 27 320 20 29 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 22 270 NEW 30 Words - The Allisons 28 240 A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 25 180 The Magnificent Seven - The John Barry Seven 29 160 My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 29 160 (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 26 150 Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 27 120 Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 29 60 My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 30 30
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Originally posted by MrTibbs View PostThe Marcels leap frog The Temperance Seven to take #1. The Marcels meet the 2 out of 3 point rule to do this. Although fewer points, they are #1 in 3 of the 5 charts, and are closest to the top by having 8 points to 9 points in the music paper chart add up.
So Speaks the Voice of God!
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Thank you for doing that. I'd encourage as many as possible to do it!
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No he is not a mod - I'm not keen on the comment function myself but I can see how it can add when it is a small point that is required to be added to a specific post.
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The Marcels leap frog The Temperance Seven to take #1. The Marcels meet the 2 out of 3 point rule to do this. Although fewer points, they are #1 in 3 of the 5 charts, and are closest to the top by having 8 points to 9 points in the music paper chart add up.
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Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 6th 1961
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 6th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 4 1 Blue Moon - The Marcels 1= 1 2 3 1 1 9620 2 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 1= 2 1 1 2 3 9710 1 3 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 3 3 3 2 3 2 9380 12 4 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 7 8 4 6 9 7 8030 5 5 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 5 4 10 5 11 12 7850 6 6 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 9 9 9 7 8 4 7680 11 7 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 4 7 8 9 4 11 7670 17 8 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 6 6 5 10 6 15 7600 3 9 Are You Sure - The Allisons 8 12 12 4 7 6 7580 7 10 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 11 13 6 8 5 5 7550 9 11 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 10 5 7 11 10 8 7460 15 12 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 12 11 11 12 12 9 6500 18 13 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 13= 15 13 14 13 14 5640 NEW 14 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 13= 13 15 15 14 13 5550 10 15 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 15 9 17 18 16 16 5230 14 16 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 17= 17 19 16 18 10 4770 25 17 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 16 16 16 17 15 23 4680 8 18 Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 17= 26 18 13 17 18 4250 19 19 F.B.I. - The Shadows 24 19 20 20 2760 16 20 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 19= 20 19 19 2170 26 21 Runaway - Del Shannon 19= 18 14 28 2150 21 22 Baby Sittin' Boogie - Buzz Clifford 27 20 21 1280 22 23 Samantha - Kenny Ball 20 24 1090 24 24 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 19 27 1080 13 25 Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 25 17 900 NEW 26 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 21 800 NEW 27 Mother-In-Law - Ernie K-Doe 22 720 NEW 28 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 23 640 20 29 My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 22 270 NEW 30 My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 28 240 Will You Love Me Tomorrow - The Shirelles 25 180 The Magnificent Seven - Al Caiola 29 160 Coronation Street - Geoff Love 29 160 A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 26 150 Wheels - The String-A-Longs 29 60 (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 30 30
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Originally posted by BrainDamageII View Post
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Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
I didn't know there were premium members. So what is a premium member and what is the criteria to become one ?
£12 a year. Bargain
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Originally posted by Splodj View PostWell there was this post ...
https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...6#post10492296
It appeared shortly after I had posted my research into the best sellers of 1967 and the Voice of God stamped it rubbish!I Like it.
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Well there was this post ...
https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...6#post10492296
It appeared shortly after I had posted my research into the best sellers of 1967 and the Voice of God stamped it rubbish!
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' It was more or less down to the charts being run by the Music Industry as they still are. And if you let any body with a vested interest compile statistics then it will show what they want to show. So for example if the police do crime figures they will show higher levels. Since if the figures were lower they would loose funding.'
Yip that was my point exactly Graham, the charts once reflecting public popularity are now what The Music Industry wants them to be basically a 'puppet' under their control.
The points system was fine for the time it did reflect to a fair degree of accuracy within its limitations as to what was popular and selling.
But even when the BMRB sales chart came on board the chart even with sales was no more precise than the points charts had been, plus by that time the Music Industry well and truly had their claws on it.
It's even worse now with the waters muddied with downloads and streaming, worse even than points and sales, and manipulated more than at any other time. Sad indeed to see what the chart has evolved into.
Also, strictly speaking it is actually now a 'song' chart not a singles chart.
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What you are saying is fine as long as all the charts you are using agree. But in the situation outlined previous showed they did not agree. Then you have to have agreement on them all positions away from the top spot and that's rare. But say one shop does have a number one on 100 sales, but three shops each selling 25 have a different number, but the same in those three shops. The points system then screws up.
And the hyping was happening by 1955 when sales took off. Brian Epstein was accused of hyping the first Beatles single for example.
The problem with the charts after 1969 wasn't haphazard checking. It was more or less down to the charts being run by the Music Industry as they still are. And if you let any body with a vested interest compile statistics then it will show what they want to show. So for example if the police do crime figures they will show higher levels. Since if the figures were lower they would loose funding.
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The Sun paper was based on a small sample and when the record survey was done all the other charts had much greater samples. There were many different sized shops back then some much larger than others. One record shop could sell say 100 records and another 1,000 in a week. It wouldn't have made much difference to the sales even if they had one Woolies shop on the panel as that would still only contribute 50 points max. Plus the records would be all Embassy Label and I suspect that one shop could not have even made a top 30 chart with just 50 points. Records don't make it with lots of shops backing them.
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Ha ! Elvis reclaims #1 how many of you saw that coming
The Marcels and The Temperance Seven close in though. Both still have their eye on claiming the #1 prize.
And in at #26, a seemingly insignificant entry from Del Shannon will be one of the biggies of the year.
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Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 29th 1961
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 29th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 2 1 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 1 2 1 1 1 1 9820 4 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 2 1 1 3 2 4 9540 1 3 Are You Sure - The Allisons 4 5 4 2 4 3 9080 7 4 Blue Moon - The Marcels 3 3 3 4 3 7 9010 5 5 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 5 4 5 5 5 2 8750 13 6 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 6 6 8 9 7 6 7750 12 7 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 7 14 7 7 6 9 7350 3 8 Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 8 15 13 6 8 8 6950 20 9 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 11 9 6 13 11 18 6630 9 10 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 9 7 14 14 9 10 6540 18 11 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 10 8 11 10 13 22 6520 22 12 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 13 10 9 11 16 15 6430 6 13 Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 12 13 17 8 14 11 6260 11 14 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 15 11 16 17 15 5 5620 17 15 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 16 12 12 15 18 17 5490 8 16 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 14 20 19 12 10 14 5250 NEW 17 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 18= 16 10 19 19 23 4620 21 18 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 18= 17 15 20 17 21 4290 10 19 F.B.I. - The Shadows 17 21 18 12 13 3720 14 20 My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 20 25 18 16 16 3360 19 21 Baby Sittin' Boogie - Buzz Clifford 23 20 20 19 2210 16 22 Samantha - Kenny Ball 19 20 1290 15 23 Will You Love Me Tomorrow - The Shirelles 24 12 1130 27 24 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 18 30 1070 NEW 25 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 22 720 NEW 26 Runaway - Del Shannon 25 480 29 27 Seventy Six Trombones - The King Brothers 27 320 NEW 28 Coronation Street - Geoff Love 27 320 30 29 Marry Me - Mike Preston 24 210 25 30 Wheels - The String-A-Longs 25 180 The Muskrat Rumble - Freddy Cannon 29 160 (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 26 150 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 30 29 140 (Ghost) Riders In The Sky - The Ramrods 27 120 Who Am I / This Is It - Adam Faith 28 90
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