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  • braindeadpj
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    That's unusual. Two lots of tied points (3 & 4 and 8 & 9) in the top 10 (both split by MM position). Is that a first?

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  • MrTibbs
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    I used the same criteria as I always do for tied points Brian, that being, which had most points from the music paper with most returns. As Helen placed higher in MM she was awarded the higher place. The BBC average was only taken from NME, MM, and Disc at this time with RM and RR not included.

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  • brian05
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    3 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 4 5 4 4 5 3 8810
    4 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 3 3 5 5 3 6 8810

    What criteria was used to separate songs with the same number of points?
    How come the BBC order was reversed?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 13th 1961

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 13th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Blue Moon - The Marcels 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    2 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 2 2 2 2 2 2 9570
    4 3 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 4 5 4 4 5 3 8810
    8 4 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 3 3 5 5 3 6 8810
    3 5 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 5 8 3 3 4 5 8730
    14 6 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 6 6 6 8 6 4 8090
    11 7 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 7 7 8 9 9 7 7540
    7 8 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 9 14 10 6 7 9 7230
    21 9 Runaway - Del Shannon 8 4 7 12 11 13 7230
    6 10 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 10 12 17 7 8 11 6750
    10 11 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 11 15 11 10 10 8 6530
    NEW 12 The Frightened City - The Shadows 12= 9 9 14 16 19 6060
    12 13 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 14 10 12 15 17 10 5910
    17 14 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 12= 11 14 16 12 14 5730
    9 15 Are You Sure - The Allisons 15= 20 15 11 14 18 5280
    5 16 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 15= 17 19 13 15 16 5070
    26 17 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 17 12 13 18 18 21 4980
    13 18 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 18 19 16 17 13 12 4870
    15 19 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 19 15 20 20 20 15 4180
    16 20 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 26 19 17 2140
    NEW 21 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 23 18 19 2020
    NEW 22 I Still Love You All - Kenny Ball 20 18 1040
    24 23 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 22 23 960
    28 24 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 21 28 890
    23 25 Samantha - Kenny Ball 25 24 690
    27 26 Mother-In-Law - Ernie K-Doe 24 560
    19 27 F.B.I. - The Shadows 29 20 490
    NEW 28 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 27 320
    20 29 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 22 270
    NEW 30 Words - The Allisons 28 240
    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 25 180
    The Magnificent Seven - The John Barry Seven 29 160
    My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 29 160
    (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 26 150
    Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 27 120
    Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 29 60
    My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 30 30

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    The Marcels leap frog The Temperance Seven to take #1. The Marcels meet the 2 out of 3 point rule to do this. Although fewer points, they are #1 in 3 of the 5 charts, and are closest to the top by having 8 points to 9 points in the music paper chart add up.
    And they were the best selling "sales" based record that week and next week also

    So Speaks the Voice of God!

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Thank you for doing that . I'd encourage as many as possible to do it!

  • kingofskiffle
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    No he is not a mod - I'm not keen on the comment function myself but I can see how it can add when it is a small point that is required to be added to a specific post.

  • MrTibbs
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    The Marcels leap frog The Temperance Seven to take #1. The Marcels meet the 2 out of 3 point rule to do this. Although fewer points, they are #1 in 3 of the 5 charts, and are closest to the top by having 8 points to 9 points in the music paper chart add up.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 6th 1961

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 6th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    4 1 Blue Moon - The Marcels 1= 1 2 3 1 1 9620
    2 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 1= 2 1 1 2 3 9710
    1 3 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 3 3 3 2 3 2 9380
    12 4 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 7 8 4 6 9 7 8030
    5 5 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 5 4 10 5 11 12 7850
    6 6 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 9 9 9 7 8 4 7680
    11 7 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 4 7 8 9 4 11 7670
    17 8 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 6 6 5 10 6 15 7600
    3 9 Are You Sure - The Allisons 8 12 12 4 7 6 7580
    7 10 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 11 13 6 8 5 5 7550
    9 11 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 10 5 7 11 10 8 7460
    15 12 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 12 11 11 12 12 9 6500
    18 13 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 13= 15 13 14 13 14 5640
    NEW 14 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 13= 13 15 15 14 13 5550
    10 15 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 15 9 17 18 16 16 5230
    14 16 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 17= 17 19 16 18 10 4770
    25 17 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 16 16 16 17 15 23 4680
    8 18 Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 17= 26 18 13 17 18 4250
    19 19 F.B.I. - The Shadows 24 19 20 20 2760
    16 20 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 19= 20 19 19 2170
    26 21 Runaway - Del Shannon 19= 18 14 28 2150
    21 22 Baby Sittin' Boogie - Buzz Clifford 27 20 21 1280
    22 23 Samantha - Kenny Ball 20 24 1090
    24 24 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 19 27 1080
    13 25 Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 25 17 900
    NEW 26 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 21 800
    NEW 27 Mother-In-Law - Ernie K-Doe 22 720
    NEW 28 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 23 640
    20 29 My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 22 270
    NEW 30 My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 28 240
    Will You Love Me Tomorrow - The Shirelles 25 180
    The Magnificent Seven - Al Caiola 29 160
    Coronation Street - Geoff Love 29 160
    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 26 150
    Wheels - The String-A-Longs 29 60
    (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 30 30

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by BrainDamageII View Post
    I just noticed that this facility was available again Brain so that's my premium membership up and running again. Thanks for the prompt.

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  • BrainDamageII
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

    I didn't know there were premium members. So what is a premium member and what is the criteria to become one ?
    https://www.ukmix.org/forum/ukmix/ha...rship-now-open

    12 a year. Bargain

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Well there was this post ...
    https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...6#post10492296

    It appeared shortly after I had posted my research into the best sellers of 1967 and the Voice of God stamped it rubbish!
    I Like it.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by BrainDamageII View Post
    Premium members have the facility to comment
    I didn't know there were premium members. So what is a premium member and what is the criteria to become one ?

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  • BrainDamageII
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    Premium members have the facility to comment

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  • Splodj
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    Well there was this post ...
    https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...6#post10492296

    It appeared shortly after I had posted my research into the best sellers of 1967 and the Voice of God stamped it rubbish!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post

    I don't think moderator privileges should be used in this way. It looks like posts are being denounced by the Voice of God!
    Is Graham a Moderator though Splodj, he is not listed on the site list of Moderators as one ?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Woz1234 View Post

    It should be by Freddy Cannon, you've got it right on the 29th April.
    I've corrected that name Woz. Thanks.

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Graham how do you make comments on posts like you just did ?
    I don't think moderator privileges should be used in this way. It looks like posts are being denounced by the Voice of God!

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  • Woz1234
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 22nd 1961

    The Muskrat Rumble - Johnny Burnette
    It should be by Freddy Cannon, you've got it right on the 29th April.
    Last edited by Woz1234; Mon February 1, 2021, 13:47.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Graham how do you make comments on posts like you just did ?

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  • MrTibbs
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    ' It was more or less down to the charts being run by the Music Industry as they still are. And if you let any body with a vested interest compile statistics then it will show what they want to show. So for example if the police do crime figures they will show higher levels. Since if the figures were lower they would loose funding.'

    Yip that was my point exactly Graham, the charts once reflecting public popularity are now what The Music Industry wants them to be basically a 'puppet' under their control.

    The points system was fine for the time it did reflect to a fair degree of accuracy within its limitations as to what was popular and selling.
    But even when the BMRB sales chart came on board the chart even with sales was no more precise than the points charts had been, plus by that time the Music Industry well and truly had their claws on it.

    It's even worse now with the waters muddied with downloads and streaming, worse even than points and sales, and manipulated more than at any other time. Sad indeed to see what the chart has evolved into.
    Also, strictly speaking it is actually now a 'song' chart not a singles chart.

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  • Graham76man
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    What you are saying is fine as long as all the charts you are using agree. But in the situation outlined previous showed they did not agree. Then you have to have agreement on them all positions away from the top spot and that's rare. But say one shop does have a number one on 100 sales, but three shops each selling 25 have a different number, but the same in those three shops. The points system then screws up.
    And the hyping was happening by 1955 when sales took off. Brian Epstein was accused of hyping the first Beatles single for example.
    The problem with the charts after 1969 wasn't haphazard checking. It was more or less down to the charts being run by the Music Industry as they still are. And if you let any body with a vested interest compile statistics then it will show what they want to show. So for example if the police do crime figures they will show higher levels. Since if the figures were lower they would loose funding.

  • Graham76man
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    The Sun paper was based on a small sample and when the record survey was done all the other charts had much greater samples. There were many different sized shops back then some much larger than others. One record shop could sell say 100 records and another 1,000 in a week. It wouldn't have made much difference to the sales even if they had one Woolies shop on the panel as that would still only contribute 50 points max. Plus the records would be all Embassy Label and I suspect that one shop could not have even made a top 30 chart with just 50 points. Records don't make it with lots of shops backing them.

  • MrTibbs
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    Ha ! Elvis reclaims #1 how many of you saw that coming

    The Marcels and The Temperance Seven close in though. Both still have their eye on claiming the #1 prize.
    And in at #26, a seemingly insignificant entry from Del Shannon will be one of the biggies of the year.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 29th 1961

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 29th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 1 2 1 1 1 1 9820
    4 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 2 1 1 3 2 4 9540
    1 3 Are You Sure - The Allisons 4 5 4 2 4 3 9080
    7 4 Blue Moon - The Marcels 3 3 3 4 3 7 9010
    5 5 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 5 4 5 5 5 2 8750
    13 6 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 6 6 8 9 7 6 7750
    12 7 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 7 14 7 7 6 9 7350
    3 8 Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 8 15 13 6 8 8 6950
    20 9 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 11 9 6 13 11 18 6630
    9 10 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 9 7 14 14 9 10 6540
    18 11 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 10 8 11 10 13 22 6520
    22 12 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 13 10 9 11 16 15 6430
    6 13 Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 12 13 17 8 14 11 6260
    11 14 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 15 11 16 17 15 5 5620
    17 15 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 16 12 12 15 18 17 5490
    8 16 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 14 20 19 12 10 14 5250
    NEW 17 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 18= 16 10 19 19 23 4620
    21 18 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 18= 17 15 20 17 21 4290
    10 19 F.B.I. - The Shadows 17 21 18 12 13 3720
    14 20 My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 20 25 18 16 16 3360
    19 21 Baby Sittin' Boogie - Buzz Clifford 23 20 20 19 2210
    16 22 Samantha - Kenny Ball 19 20 1290
    15 23 Will You Love Me Tomorrow - The Shirelles 24 12 1130
    27 24 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 18 30 1070
    NEW 25 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 22 720
    NEW 26 Runaway - Del Shannon 25 480
    29 27 Seventy Six Trombones - The King Brothers 27 320
    NEW 28 Coronation Street - Geoff Love 27 320
    30 29 Marry Me - Mike Preston 24 210
    25 30 Wheels - The String-A-Longs 25 180
    The Muskrat Rumble - Freddy Cannon 29 160
    (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 26 150
    More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 30 29 140
    (Ghost) Riders In The Sky - The Ramrods 27 120
    Who Am I / This Is It - Adam Faith 28 90

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