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  • Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 10th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 10th 1956 NME RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
    Week Week The Top 25 Singles Chart 20 Scored
    1 1 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 1 1 2240
    2 2 Zambesi - Lou Busch 2 2 2128
    3 3 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 3 3 2016
    4 4 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 4 6 1800
    10 5 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 5 5 1792
    5 6 Only You - The Hilltoppers 6 4 1784
    6 7 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 7 7 1568
    7 8 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 8 9 1404
    NEW 9 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 9 8 1396
    11 10 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 10 11 1180
    9 11 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 11 10 1172
    8 12 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 14 12 888
    20 13 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 12 15 852
    13 14 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 13 14 844
    16 15 Jimmy Unknown - Lita Roza 13 416
    19 16 In Old Lisbon - Frank Chacksfield 15 360
    27 17 Tumbling Tumbleweeds - Slim Whitman 20 16 320
    21 18 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell 16 300
    15 19 Robin Hood - Dick James 17 240
    NEW 20 Chain Gang - Jimmy Young 17 208
    NEW 20 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 17 208
    NEW 22 Zambesi - Eddie Calvert 18 180
    RE 23 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton 19 120
    23 24 My September Love - David Whitfield 20 20 112
    12 25 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes 19 104
    14 Love And Marriage - Frank Sinatra
    17 Rock A Beatin' Boogie - Bill Haley and His Comets
    17 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Tennessee Ernie Ford
    22 With Your Love - Robert Earl
    24 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets
    25 Young And Foolish - Dean Martin
    25 With Your Love - Malcolm Vaughan
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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    • I believe Melody Maker are about to enter the fray. Although their first survey used only 19 stores, according to the Wiki article on their number ones, and it was not until the early 60s that they became the largest sampler.

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      • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
        I believe Melody Maker are about to enter the fray. Although their first survey used only 19 stores, according to the Wiki article on their number ones, and it was not until the early 60s that they became the largest sampler.
        Yeah Splodj Melody Maker will be joining on 7th April. Not only the Wiki article but Alan Smith's research also indicated a static level throughout the fifties so I will be using a figure of 20 stores for them throughout this decade as you will see soon. Also on 7th April I will be moving NME to 65 stores and RM to 60. I decided to keep NME slightly ahead on the basis it is likely they used a slightly bigger sample by now to compile a Top 30.
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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        • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
          I believe Melody Maker are about to enter the fray. Although their first survey used only 19 stores, according to the Wiki article on their number ones, and it was not until the early 60s that they became the largest sampler.
          I bet there were 19 record shops very close to Melody Maker's offices. I wonder how many were used for the London area? Many people report that a large number of the shops taking part in all the surveys were London based during the 50's. And the list of chart shops was available to anyone who had the cash to buy it.
          Though I do not believe there was a lot of chart fiddling going on by any record companies at this point. The fact there are only a few charts around shows it would be pointless to fiddle these charts. But when more charts started entering clearly the market for hyping would open up. With only 60 shops to a chart for the UK, one part of the country could easily wipe out many of the tracks in any chart. And I bet some of the record company people were laughing at the charts at times, like the Cadbury Smash robots saying: "that record is number one!"
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          • 21 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell

            That was a finger lickin' record!

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            • MrTibbs
              MrTibbs commented
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              Good one lol .

          • Greetings Pop Pickers

            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 17th 1956

            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 17th 1956 NME RM Total
            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
            Week Week The Top 24 Singles Chart 20 Scored
            3 1 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 1 1 2240
            2 2 Zambesi - Lou Busch 2 2 2128
            1 3 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 3 3 2016
            4 4 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 4 4 1904
            5 5 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 5 5 1792
            6 6 Only You - The Hilltoppers 6 6 1680
            9 7 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 7 8 1516
            7 8 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 8 9 1404
            11 9 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 9 10 1292
            20 10 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 12 7 1268
            13 11 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 10 13 1076
            10 12 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 11 15 912
            8 13 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 14 12 888
            20 14 Chain Gang - Jimmy Young 18 11 700
            12 15 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 13 480
            17 16 Tumbling Tumbleweeds - Slim Whitman 19 15 432
            18 17 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell 17 18 396
            NEW 18 My September Love - Robert Earl 14 364
            NEW 19 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Dick Hyman 15 360
            14 20 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 16 300
            NEW 21 I Hear You Knocking - Gale Storm 17 208
            NEW 22 The Rudder And The Rock - David Whitfield (B) 19 104
            16 23 In Old Lisbon - Frank Chacksfield 20 60
            15 24 Jimmy Unknown - Lita Roza 20 52
            19 Robin Hood - Dick James
            22 Zambesi - Eddie Calvert
            23 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton
            25 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes
            24 My September Love - David Whitfield (A)
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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            • Hehe, still bouncing in and out of the Top 10
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              • MrTibbs
                MrTibbs commented
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                Yip. It had amazing longevity.

            • I was expecting 'Chain Gang' by Jimmy Young to be an inspid cover of the Sam Cooke classic but it's not. Surprisingly it's a good song.

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              • Yeah Robbie, it's certainly slightly better than his dreary Unchained Melody cover (for me Al Hibbler's and Roy Hamilton's versions were much better) or his Man From Laramie cover. Later in the year I'll never understand why his cover of More performed better than Perry Como's vastly superior version. For me personally Jimmy was at best an average singer who always recorded inferior cover versions.
                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                • Greetings Pop Pickers

                  Sorry about later than usual chart posting as I was away seeing the new Bond movie. Well worth the wait it was. Great stuff !

                  Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 24th 1956

                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 24th 1956 NME RM Total
                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
                  Week Week The Top 23 Singles Chart 20 Scored
                  1 1 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 1 1 2240
                  4 2 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 2 2 2128
                  3 3 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 3 4 1964
                  2 4 Zambesi - Lou Busch 6 3 1836
                  10 5 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 5 5 1792
                  6 6 Only You - The Hilltoppers 4 7 1748
                  5 7 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 8 6 1560
                  7 8 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 7 8 1516
                  8 9 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 10 9 1284
                  14 10 Chain Gang - Jimmy Young 9 11 1240
                  11 11 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 11 11 1120
                  9 12 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 13 10 1052
                  19 13 Theme From 'The Three Penny Opera' - Dick Hyman 12 16 800
                  12 14 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 14 17 628
                  RE 15 Zambesi - Eddie Calvert 16 15 612
                  24 16 Jimmy Unknown - Lita Roza 19 13 536
                  NEW 17 Seven Days - Anne Shelton 14 364
                  NEW 18 The Trouble With Harry - Alfi and Harry 15 360
                  RE 19 My September Love - David Whitfield (A) 18 18 336
                  NEW 20 Theme From 'The Three Penny opera' - Billy Vaughan 17 20 292
                  18 21 My September Love - Robert Earl 19 104
                  20 22 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 20 60
                  16 23 Tumbling Tumbleweeds - Slim Whitman 20 52
                  13 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra
                  15 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford
                  17 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell
                  21 I Hear You Knocking - Gale Storm
                  23 In Old Lisbon - Frank Chacksfield
                  22 The Rudder And The Rock - David Whitfield (B)
                  Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '
                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                  • It's a mystery to me how Winifred Atwell's horrendous tinny version of Poor People took off here while the vastly superior version by Les Baxter, a US #1, failed to even chart here. Sometimes there just ain't any justice !
                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                    • Greetings Pop Pickers

                      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 31st 1956

                      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 31st 1956 NME RM Total
                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
                      Week Week The Top 24 Singles Chart 20 Scored
                      2 1 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 1 2 2188
                      1 2 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 2 1 2180
                      5 3 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 3 3 2016
                      4 4 Zambesi - Lou Busch 4 4 1904
                      6 5 Only You - The Hilltoppers 5 6 1740
                      3 6 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 7 5 1672
                      7 7 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 6 7 1628
                      8 8 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 8 8 1456
                      10 9 Chain Gang - Jimmy Young 9 9 1344
                      13 10 Theme From 'The ThreePenny Opera' - Dick Hyman 10 12 1128
                      11 11 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 11 11 1120
                      9 12 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 12 10 1112
                      15 13 Zambesi - Eddie Calvert 13 13 896
                      20 14 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Billy Vaughan 15 15 672
                      16 15 Jimmy Unknown - Lita Roza 17 17 448
                      14 16 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 14 420
                      NEW 17 Willie Can - Alma Cogan 18 17 388
                      NEW 18 I'm A Fool - Slim Whitman 14 364
                      18 19 The Trouble With Harry - Alfi and Harry 16 300
                      17 20 Seven Days - Anne Shelton 16 260
                      12 21 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 19 120
                      19 22 My September Love - David Whitfield 19 104
                      NEW 23 Nothin' To Do - Michael Holliday 20 60
                      NEW 24 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 20 52
                      21 My September Love - Robert Earl
                      22 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole
                      23 Tumbling Tumbleweeds - Slim Whitman
                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                      • It's all change for next week April 7th as Melody Maker's Top Twenty chart is added to the calculations albeit with a much smaller sample size of 20. Note too that from April 7th there will also be a slight adjustment in NME and RM sample sizes too.
                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                        • I have to say that although the main focus here is on producing a robust averaged composite chart I also find the fact that all competing charts lined up side by side makes for interesting reading and fascinating comparisons that otherwise might go unnoticed.
                          The thread therefore also provides a detailed and useful database of all these main charts, whichever were available at any given time, to be all together in one place to give an overview as opposed to being presented separately.
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                          • Agreed. Historic charts are always shown as a stream of one particular chart, and seeing them side by side reveals a lot more.

                            In 'discographies' online it is interesting to see how they sometimes see the need to depart from the 'official' chart positions. With the Kinks for example, their discographies mention that the first single (Long Tall Sally) charted in MM and the EP containing Well Respected Man (Kwyet Kinks) reached number one in the EP chart.

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                            • It is good to see the charts all set out in comparison, but it is only down to 30 on each chart. It would be nice to see the charts down to 50.

                              On the other site thing. You would expect that since the discographies are trying to show that certain records did sell. But if they stick to the "official" chart it would like that some records didn't sell at all.
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                              • So far the length of the charts has varied between 22 and 28 and averages around 25 (24.81) meaning that are probably on average 5 unique records each week. Of course frequently the unique record will not be unique the following week, but other times...
                                Once you add MM, this may shift to 25 to 32 each week, so we'll be getting closer to a top 30 each week....
                                Interestingly the average for 1955 is: 25.62 while for 1956 it is 24 so far suggesting there is more agreement so far in 1956 than in 1955.
                                Last edited by braindeadpj; Sun October 3, 2021, 18:15. Reason: actually calculated the values

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                                • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                  I have to say that although the main focus here is on producing a robust averaged composite chart I also find the fact that all competing charts lined up side by side makes for interesting reading and fascinating comparisons that otherwise might go unnoticed.
                                  The thread therefore also provides a detailed and useful database of all these main charts, whichever were available at any given time, to be all together in one place to give an overview as opposed to being presented separately.
                                  Even if some may disagree about the number of stores used, this aspect of the charts (lining them all up side by side) makes it an extremely valuable and informative resource. Thank you again for creating this chart.

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                                  • Interesting how the last 2 no.1s have been stuck at a prior position (3 and 4) for 3 weeks before either jumping to no.1 or climbing to 2 then 1. They did the same on the NME chart, but the current no.1 behaved differently on the RM chart, actually dropping before climbing back up - not yet to reach no.1 (the previous 1 by The Dreamweavers, behaved the same on both charts).
                                    Last edited by braindeadpj; Sun October 3, 2021, 17:58.

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                                    • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post

                                      Even if some may disagree about the number of stores used, this aspect of the charts (lining them all up side by side) makes it an extremely valuable and informative resource. Thank you again for creating this chart.
                                      Although of course the number of stores is open to debate it is as far as possible research based on Alan Smith's in-depth knowledge and contacts in such matters and well documented and accepted including this site.

                                      The exact numbers used are less important than the proportion they create between each chart which is as accurate as is possible using available research info. I think it is fair to say that none of the charts from this era could be considered 100% accurate. All are a guide based on data which could not be substantiated.

                                      However by putting them all together and taking an average gives, I believe, the best result achievable without accurate data from the time which frankly no longer exists.

                                      Factoring in proportions is important and I know this view is supported by many of you fellow 'chartoholics' on here. The music paper charts of the day were not equal in respect of sampling so the BBC methodology was too simplistic by treating them as such. So the further layer of factoring in 'proportions' was adopted to provide a more balanced and fair composite chart.

                                      The end result produces a result not a million miles from the one compiled by the BBC but it smoothes out ties and inconsistencies, even errors, and gives a more balanced outcome. Or so I believe.
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                      • I’d agree with all that. Even assuming that the weighting/combing is wrong (I’m not saying it is - read on!) this side by side comparison is, as others have said, extremely valuable. I like seeing when records first charted and where on the different charts. It’s also interesting seeing different peak positions.

                                        Now, I do feel that the weighting and combining is correct and is as accurate as it can possibly be, given the level of information available. We do not know all and if we did then of course we would do things differently. If we knew, for example, accurate sales from the various shops this list would be different in how it was compiled. I think the data we have is accurate based on Alan’s research. I think it’s really useful having that from a point when some data was kept or remembered. History has a habit of getting re-written (sometimes by accident) when people mis remember facts. Some ‘facts’ get taken as correct simply because the source that used them was accurate for other things so this ‘fact’ must also be correct. I’m sure all authors try and ensure accuracy, but memories do change.

                                        A case in point: When did the Mills Brothers chart with Glow Worm in 1953? Was it 30 Jan or 9 Jan? The compilers of the first Guinness books said 30 Jan, as did all sources issued before about 1992. Now, after 1992 NME printed their chart book and said in the front they had correct a few minor errors (but neglected to say which ones - not knocking them, they didn’t have to). Now Glow Work is listed as 9 Jan. Other works duly corrected they data based on this book. This is reasonable to do, since the publisher was NME, holder of those charts and therefore accurate, right? Only the original printing shows Glow Worm not charting until 30 Jan. I have the scan. This is an error on the part of the NME book when it was printed.
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                                        • Graham76man
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                                          Minor errors like Glow "Work" for "Worm" here in your text - he he!

                                      • I have only seen the NME chart book in libraries, but I thought it had the charts week by week so the real week of Glow Worm's entry would be shown anyway.

                                        It must be possible to identify the 'minor errors' corrected. Although I suppose mistakes made when compiling the book might be misconstrued as corrections!

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                                        • In that case no, as it is still listed as 1 week on chart.

                                          What is fun is that is is clearly an error when you look at the right chart two columns over.

                                          https://www.dropbox.com/s/5n4u7nme6z...EBook.jpg?dl=0

                                          And yet it still got copied as not being an error!
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                                          • The introduction to the NME chart book actually states:

                                            "Under intense pressure of producing the best music weekly in Britain, mistakes were sometimes made in compiling the chart. These have been corrected wherever possible. In very rare cases (three only, we think) a record was missed out of a chart. In these instances we have guessed the likely position and inserted it as an extra."

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                                            • I am confused! Does the original NME of 9 January list the record or not?
                                              I'm guessing it doesn't, since the British Hit Singles book people would have been working with original papers and they have it listed on the 30 January.

                                              Footnote: IF the record was an addition, it would have to have been issued in December of 1952 (nearly all records were released in the first two weeks of the month at this point). The 45 Worlds 78 section shows it was.
                                              http://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/05007

                                              A late January entry would have been odd for a December record, but it could happen.
                                              Last edited by Graham76man; Mon October 4, 2021, 10:31. Reason: Extra information
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