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  • Richard M White
    • 08 Jan 2021
    • 71

    Originally posted by kingofskiffle
    The issue dated 6 August of RR printed the chart with no week counts or last week positions. The next issue was dated 16 August and began the start of Saturday dates for the chart. For this the last week, weeks, etc are all back. The last week positions do match that chart though. So it could very well be down to either some sales being removed for that record (if they thought it odd) or a supply issue. The shops reporting to BMRB had lower stock than others.
    Lonnie - Record Mirror always used the Saturday week ending date. If you check Tony Jasper's Top 20 book - the RR chart w/e 6 August was dated w/e 9 August in RM. (and the w/e dates differ in the preceding months and years but the charts are the same) - much better in my view

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    • kingofskiffle
      Moderator and Site Supporter
      • 08 Jan 2004
      • 8013

      Originally posted by Richard M White

      Lonnie - Record Mirror always used the Saturday week ending date. If you check Tony Jasper's Top 20 book - the RR chart w/e 6 August was dated w/e 9 August in RM. (and the w/e dates differ in the preceding months and years but the charts are the same) - much better in my view
      Yes, of course. Sorry, mis-typed. Meant to say as in RR. I'd not forgotten about RM.
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      • Splodj
        Personal Assistant
        • 25 Jul 2019
        • 2199

        There are two other placings in that last chart that seem odd ...

        BMRB has 'It Mek' dive to 22 when it is up at 10 & 12 in the other two. Conversely MM has 'Something in the air' up at 12 when it has fallen to 21 in the other two; next week in MM it will dive to 26 on its way out.

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        • MrTibbs
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          • 24 Oct 2012
          • 6037

          These are the anomalies that intrigue us though and keep us hooked on these charts. One guy isn't very keen on this round of Ultimate Average Charts as he feels I am comparing oil and water, ie, comparing sales against points, and yes there are differences between both compilation methods but on a fun basis it does make for an interesting chart, and obviously still enjoyed by many.
          Check Out My 'Definitive Combined Music Paper Chart' and 'Extended Record Mirror Chart' Threads On The Chart Analysis Forum '

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          • MrTibbs
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            • 24 Oct 2012
            • 6037

            Greetings Pop Pickers !

            Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 23rd 1969

            Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 23rd 1969 NME MM BMRB Total
            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 Points
            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
            1 1 Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 16500
            2 2 Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb 2 2 2 15950
            4 3 My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder 3 3 4 15300
            13 4 In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans 4 5 3 14700
            5 5 Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan 5 4 5 14550
            3 6 Give Peace A Chance - The Plastic Ono Band 6 6 6 13750
            8 7 Conversations - Cilla Black 8 7 9 12800
            9 8 Early In The Morning - Vanity Fare 7 8 10 12650
            6 9 Goodnight Midnight - Clodagh Rodgers 9 9 7 12300
            18 10 Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye 10 11 8 11500
            12 11 Bringing On Back The Good Times - The Love Affair 11 12 11 10750
            7 12 In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley 12 10 16 10550
            21 13 Curly - The Move 13 14 12 9750
            22 14 Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals 15 13 14 9400
            14 15 I Can Sing A Rainbow/Love Is Blue - The Dells 14 15 15 9000
            20 16 Wet Dream - Max Romeo 17 16 13 8350
            11 17 Baby Make It Soon - The Marmalade 16 17 22 7400
            26 18 Si Tu Dois Partir - Fairport Convention 20 19 21 6200
            10 19 It Mek - Desmond Dekker and The Aces 18 18 28 6150
            NEW 20 Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie 21 21 23 5300
            23 21 Peaceful - Georgie Fame 27 20 24 4250
            30 22 Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg 28 22 17 4250
            NEW 23 Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival 19 28 20 4250
            17 24 Barabajagal - Donovan and The Jeff Beck Group 23 24 3350
            NEW 25 Good Morning Starshine - Oliver 21 29 26 3000
            NEW 26 Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees 25 30 18 2750
            24 27 When Two Worlds Collide - Jim Reeves 26 25 29 2700
            15 28 That's The Way God Planned It - Billy Preston 29 22 2650
            28 29 I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck 24 19 2600
            17 30 Something In The Air - Thunderclap Newman 26 25 1850
            19 Hello Susie - Amen Corner 30 27 30 1300
            B Tears Won't Wash Away My Heartaches - Ken Dodd 27 400
            25 A Way Of Life - The Family Dogg
            29 Breakaway - The Beach Boys
            27 Heather Honey - Tommy Roe
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            • Robbie
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              • 26 Aug 2001
              • 11484

              Great song by Creedence Clearwater Revival in at number 23.

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              • Splodj
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                • 25 Jul 2019
                • 2199

                Although 'Bad Moon Rising' was number one for 3+ weeks on the three major charts, it never made it in Top Pops. Similar situation with 'Wandrin Star'.

                I think these ommisions are worse than the unique number ones it did put there. One of these, 'My Cherie Amour', I recall made number one in NME's midweek chart in the Sunday Mirror.

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                • MrTibbs
                  Site Supporter
                  • 24 Oct 2012
                  • 6037

                  Yeah Top Pops had the same problem overall as especially the earlier years of RR in that they used a very low sample of shops and all W H Smith so the overall poll wasn't anywhere near robust enough.

                  Yeah the Creedence record was easily their best although I loved all their material at this time.

                  Thanks again brain for liking each chart
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                  • MrTibbs
                    Site Supporter
                    • 24 Oct 2012
                    • 6037

                    Greetings Pop Pickers !

                    Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 30th 1969

                    Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 30th 1969 NME MM BMRB Total
                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 Points
                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                    4 1 In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans 1 1 1 16500
                    1 2 Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones 2 2 2 15950
                    2 3 Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb 3 4 3 15150
                    3 4 My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder 4 3 4 15100
                    5 5 Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan 5 5 5 14300
                    10 6 Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye 6 6 7 13650
                    14 7 Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals 8 7 6 13100
                    8 8 Early In The Morning - Vanity Fair 7 8 10 12650
                    13 9 Curly - The Move 10 10 14 11150
                    26 10 Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees 12 11 9 11000
                    23 11 Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival 9 14 8 10950
                    7 12 Conversations - Cilla Black 15 9 13 10500
                    6 13 Give Peace A Chance - The Plastic Ono Band 11 13 15 10100
                    9 14 Goodnight Midnight - Clodagh Rodgers 13 12 16 9850
                    20 15 Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie 14 16 11 9150
                    11 16 Bringing On Back The Good Times - The Love Affair 16 15 12 8900
                    16 17 Wet Dream - Max Romeo 17 19 18 7100
                    12 18 In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley 19 17 20 7000
                    22 19 Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg 20 18 17 6850
                    25 20 Good Morning Starshine - Oliver 18 21 19 6300
                    18 21 Si Tu Dois Partir - Fairport Convention 21 22 21 5250
                    15 22 I Can Sing A Rainbow/Love Is Blue - The Dells 22 20 25 5150
                    29 23 I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck 23 25 22 4000
                    17 24 Baby Make It Soon - The Marmalade 24 23 28 3700
                    27 25 When Two World Collide - Jim Reeves 25 27 23 3000
                    19 26 It Mek - Desmond Dekker and The Aces 27 26 2050
                    NEW 27 Cloud Nine - The Temptations 28 28 24 2050
                    21 28 Peaceful - Georgie Fame 24 1750
                    24 29 Barabajagal - Donovan and The Jeff Beck Group 26 29 1500
                    NEW 30 Tears Won't Wash Away My Heartaches - Ken Dodd 29 26 900
                    Heather Honey - Tommy Roe 27 400
                    28 That's The Way God Planned It - Billy Preston 30 250
                    B Soul Deep - The Box Tops 29 200
                    B It's Getting Better - Mama Cass 30 200
                    B Marrakesh Express - Crosby Stills and Nash 30 100
                    30 Something In The Air - Thunderclap Newman
                    Check Out My 'Definitive Combined Music Paper Chart' and 'Extended Record Mirror Chart' Threads On The Chart Analysis Forum '

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                    • MrTibbs
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                      • 24 Oct 2012
                      • 6037

                      The Temptations debut with their new 'psychedelic' soul rock sound as opposed to their previous style. Diana Ross and The Supremes though were the first to take this path with Love Child. Stevie Wonder will follow with a more progressive change in sound in mid 1970 followed by Marvin Gaye in 1971.
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                      • Robbie
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                        • 26 Aug 2001
                        • 11484

                        The sound of Motown really was changing. Although that was to be expected, the clamour for 60s style Motown never went away in the early 1970s as can be seen by the numerous re-issues and chart re-entries of old Motown releases that follow in the next few years.

                        I meant to post the other day, 20 July 1969 was "one small step for man" but a historic day for mankind as Apollo 11 touched down on the moon and Neil Armstrong walked and talked himself into history. The success of 'In The Year 2525' with its futuristic leanings must have been fuelled by the moon landings although 'Bad Moon Rising' is somewhat of a negative take on things...

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                        • Splodj
                          Personal Assistant
                          • 25 Jul 2019
                          • 2199

                          'Space Oddity' has yet to chart. It was released in time to coincide with the moon trip, but this backfired somewhat ...

                          The first time I heard it on the radio was on 27 July on the David Symonds show. He said that they had deliberately not played it earlier because they wanted to ensure that the astronauts had returned safely first.
                          Last edited by Splodj; Fri June 25, 2021, 12:23.

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                          • MrTibbs
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                            • 24 Oct 2012
                            • 6037

                            I'm going away the weekend to London guys so here are the Ultimate Average Charts in advance for Saturday and Sunday so you don't miss out
                            Check Out My 'Definitive Combined Music Paper Chart' and 'Extended Record Mirror Chart' Threads On The Chart Analysis Forum '

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                            • MrTibbs
                              Site Supporter
                              • 24 Oct 2012
                              • 6037

                              Greetings Pop Pickers !

                              Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 6th 1969

                              Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 6th 1969 NME MM BMRB Total
                              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 Points
                              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                              1 1 In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans 1 1 1 16500
                              6 2 Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye 3 2 6 15350
                              2 3 Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones 3 4 3 15150
                              3 4 Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb 2 3 9 15000
                              4 5 My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder 5 5 4 14400
                              11 6 Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival 8 7 2 13500
                              7 7 Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals 7 6 7 13450
                              10 8 Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees 6 8 5 13350
                              15 9 Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie 10 9 10 11800
                              5 10 Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan 9 11 11 11400
                              8 11 Early In The Morning - Vanity Fare 11 10 12 11150
                              19 12 Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg 12 13 8 10600
                              9 13 Curly - The Move 13 12 13 10150
                              20 14 Good Morning Starshine - Oliver 14 14 14 9350
                              12 15 Conversations - Cilla Black 16 15 15 8600
                              16 16 Bringing On Back The Good Times - The Love Affair 15 16 18 8250
                              14 17 Goodnight Midnight - Clodagh Rodgers 20 17 19 6900
                              17 18 Wet Dream - Max Romeo 17 19 20 6900
                              13 19 Give Peace A Chance - The Plastic Ono Band 19 22 16 6150
                              27 20 Cloud Nine - The Temptations 20 18 28 5750
                              21 21 Si Tu Dois Partir - Fairport Convention 18 21 25 5700
                              18 22 In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley 22 20 21 5550
                              23 23 I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck 25 23 17 4600
                              22 24 I Can Sing A Rainbow/Love Is Blue - The Dells 23 26 23 3650
                              NEW 25 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Bobbie Gentry 24 27 2400
                              25 26 When Two Worlds Collide - Jim Reeves 24 29 1950
                              NEW 27 Marrakesh Express - Crosby Stills and Nash 27 28 30 1650
                              NEW 28 Soul Deep - The Box Tops 25 1500
                              30 29 Tears Won't Wash Away My Heartaches - Ken Dodd 30 22 1150
                              NEW 30 Clean Up Your Own Back Yard - Elvis Presley 26 1000
                              B Birth - The Peddlers 29 27 900
                              X Soul Clap '69 - Booker T. and The MG's 27 800
                              Heather Honey - Tommy Roe 24 700
                              B It's Getting Better - Mama Cass 30 26 700
                              B Put Yourself In My Place - The Isley Brothers 29 400
                              24 Baby Make It Soon - The Marmalade
                              26 It Mek - Desmond Dekker and The Aces
                              28 Peaceful - Georgie Fame
                              29 Barabajagal - Donovan and The Jeff Beck Group
                              Check Out My 'Definitive Combined Music Paper Chart' and 'Extended Record Mirror Chart' Threads On The Chart Analysis Forum '

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                              • MrTibbs
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                                • 24 Oct 2012
                                • 6037

                                Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 13th 1969

                                Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 13th 1969 NME MM BMRB Total
                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 Points
                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                1 1 In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans 1 1 1 16500
                                6 2 Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival 2 2 2 15950
                                2 3 Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye 4 3 5 15000
                                7 4 Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals 6 4 7 14150
                                8 5 Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees 3 8 3 14150
                                9 6 Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie 8 5 4 13800
                                12 7 Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg 5 7 6 13700
                                5 8 My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder 7 6 8 13350
                                3 9 Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones 9 9 9 12100
                                4 10 Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb 10 10 10 11550
                                14 11 Good Morning Starshine - Oliver 11 11 11 11000
                                11 12 Early In The Morning - Vanity Fare 12 12 14 10250
                                10 13 Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan 13 13 12 10000
                                13 14 Curly - The Move 14 14 13 9450
                                20 15 Cloud Nine - The Temptations 17 15 16 8300
                                18 16 Wet Dream - Max Romeo 18 17 18 7400
                                23 17 I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck 23 16 15 6950
                                25 18 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Bobbie Gentry 15 21 19 6900
                                15 19 Conversations - Cilla Black 22 18 21 6050
                                16 20 Bringing On Back The Good Times - The Love Affair 16 20 5750
                                NEW 21 Birth - The Peddlers 20 19 27 5600
                                27 22 Marrakesh Express - Crosby Stills and Nash 26 24 17 4150
                                21 23 Si Tu Dois Partir - Fairport Convention 21 23 4000
                                28 24 Soul Deep - The Box Tops 22 24 2950
                                NEW 25 It's Getting Better - Mama Cass 27 25 26 2800
                                30 26 Clean Up Your Own Back Yard - Elvis Presley 19 30 2650
                                17 27 Goodnight Midnight - Clodagh Rodgers 26 20 2350
                                19 28 Give Peace A Chance - The Plastic Ono Band 28 28 22 2250
                                NEW 29 Put Yourself In My Place - The Isley Brothers 24 23 2200
                                22 30 In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley 27 28 1300
                                B Tears In The Wind - Chicken Shack 25 1200
                                29 Tears Won't Wash Away My Heartaches - Ken Dodd 25 600
                                26 When Two Worlds Collide - Jim Reeves 29 500
                                X Soul Clap '69 - Booker T. and The MG's 29 400
                                Heather Honey - Tommy Roe 29 200
                                B Throw Down A Line - Cliff Richard and Hank Marvin 30 200
                                B Lay Lady Lay - Bob Dylan 30 100
                                24 I Can Sing A Rainbow/Love Is Blue - The Dells
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                                • MrTibbs
                                  Site Supporter
                                  • 24 Oct 2012
                                  • 6037

                                  Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                  Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 20th 1969

                                  Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 20th 1969 NME MM BMRB Total
                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 Points
                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                  2 1 Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival 1 1 1 16500
                                  1 2 In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans 3 2 3 15650
                                  5 3 Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees 2 4 2 15450
                                  7 4 Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg 4 3 4 15100
                                  6 5 Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie 5 5 5 14300
                                  3 6 Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye 6 6 6 13750
                                  4 7 Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals 7 7 7 13200
                                  11 8 Good Morning Starshine - Oliver 9 8 8 12450
                                  8 9 My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder 8 9 11 12100
                                  18 10 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Bobbie Gentry 10 11 9 11400
                                  9 11 Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones 11 10 10 11350
                                  10 12 Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb 12 13 12 10200
                                  13 13 Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan 16 14 13 9050
                                  15 14 Cloud Nine - The Temptations 13 12 27 8750
                                  14 15 Curly - The Move 14 15 20 8500
                                  21 16 Birth - The Peddlers 18 16 17 7750
                                  22 17 Marrakesh Express - Crosby Stills and Nash 15 19 25 6800
                                  NEW 18 Throw Down A Line - Cliff Richard and Hank Marvin 17 22 14 6750
                                  17 19 I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck 21 18 18 6550
                                  25 20 It's Getting Better - Mama Cass 19 21 16 6400
                                  12 21 Early In The Morning - Vanity Fare 23 17 21 6100
                                  NEW 22 A Boy Named Sue - Johnny Cash 27 24 15 4150
                                  29 23 Put Yourself In My Place - The Isley Brothers 19 26 28 3950
                                  24 24 Soul Deep - The Box Tops 30 20 23 3750
                                  16 25 Wet Dream - Max Romeo 25 23 26 3700
                                  26 26 Clean Up Your Own Back Yard - Elvis Presley 22 27 22 3700
                                  NEW 27 Lay Lady Lay - Bob Dylan 24 25 30 3000
                                  NEW 28 Hare Krishna Mantra - The Radha Krishna Temple 28 30 19 2050
                                  NEW 29 I'm Gonna Make You Mine - Lou Christie 26 1000
                                  NEW 30 Tears In The Wind - Chicken Shack 28 29 950
                                  B Love At First Sight - Sounds Nice 24 700
                                  19 Conversations - Cilla Black 29 500
                                  X 25 Miles - Edwin Starr 29 400
                                  20 Bringing On Back The Good Times - The Love Affair
                                  23 Si Tu Dois Partir - Fairport Convention
                                  27 Goodnight Midnight - Clodagh Rodgers
                                  28 Give Peace A Chance - The Plastic Ono Band
                                  30 In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley
                                  Check Out My 'Definitive Combined Music Paper Chart' and 'Extended Record Mirror Chart' Threads On The Chart Analysis Forum '

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                                  • kingofskiffle
                                    Moderator and Site Supporter
                                    • 08 Jan 2004
                                    • 8013

                                    I really do like how they all agree on the number 1.
                                    http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                                    Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                    • Splodj
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                                      • 25 Jul 2019
                                      • 2199

                                      It won't last!

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                                      • Robbie
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                                        • 26 Aug 2001
                                        • 11484

                                        Cliff's duet with Hank Marvin is interesting as by this point the hits had dried up for The Shadows and they had disbanded at the end of 1968 (they would later reunite and score hits in the 70s and 80s). Perhaps this was Cliff's way of helping out his former backing group's lead guitarist.

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                                        • MrTibbs
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                                          • 24 Oct 2012
                                          • 6037

                                          Originally posted by kingofskiffle
                                          I really do like how they all agree on the number 1.
                                          Ha Ha, yeah enjoy the moment, that said they often will, or sometimes two out of the three will agree, but there are some times ahead when there will be a three way split on #1
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