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  • MrTibbs
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    Runaway takes #1 this week this week due to holding 2 out of 3 of the 3 point rule. It has most points and best profile.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 27th 1961


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 27th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Runaway - Del Shannon* 1 2 1 1 2 5 9650
    1 2 Blue Moon - The Marcels 5 7 3 2 5 2 8960
    6 3 The Frightened City - The Shadows 3 4 4 5 3 4 8850
    NEW 4 Surrender - Elvis Presley 2 1 1 4 1 27 8790
    4 5 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 4 3 5 6 4 3 8740
    2 6 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 6 8 8 3 7 1 8400
    5 7 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 7 5 6 8 6 6 8110
    7 8 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 8 10 7 7 8 11 7510
    14 9 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 9 6 9 11 11 14 7030
    10 10 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 10 11 11 9 9 16 6770
    8 11 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 14 17 12 10 15 7 6090
    17 12 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 12 9 10 17 12 19 5870
    9 13 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 11 12 18 12 13 12 5860
    11 14 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 13 15 15 14 10 8 5850
    12 15 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 16= 16 16 15 18 10 5140
    24 16 Little Devil - Neil Sedaka 16= 14 13 16 19 30 4720
    13 17 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 15 20 13 14 13 4250
    15 18 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 19 19 18 16 9 3800
    19 19 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 18 13 14 17 17 3580
    16 20 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 21 20 20 15 2490
    18 21 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 24 17 20 1730
    21 22 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 30 19 23 1640
    NEW 23 Running Scared - Roy Orbison 20 1210
    20 24 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 22 18 1110
    28 25 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 20 18 1040
    NEW 26 Hello Mary Lou - Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 27 19 1040
    22 27 I Still Love You All - Kenny Ball 23 24 850
    27 28 My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 25 480
    NEW 29 I've Told Every Little Star - Linda Scott 26 400
    26 30 Are You Sure - The Allisons 21 300
    * 3 Point Rule Applied
    F.B.I. - The Shadows 22 270
    Why Not Now - Matt Monro 28 240
    And The Heavens - Cried - Anthony Newley 25 180
    Spurs Song - The Totnamites 29 160
    Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 26 150
    Lazy River - Bobby Darin 28 90
    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 29 60

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  • Metalweb
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    Maybe it's just a question of semantics….


    This wiki article maintains it was pressed as an export but charted as an import....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_and_My_Shadows

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  • Splodj
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    I've mentioned how the RM singles reviewer was sent a copy at the end of April, weeks after it charted. There is a lot of info on the web about how this was an import - Wiki etc.

    It is even identified as an import when it entered at 33 here ...

    https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...068#post467068

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  • Metalweb
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    Was 'Gee Whiz It's You' an import in the true sense of the word? I'm sure I've read that the single was pressed in the UK and was meant for export to continental Europe but enough copies were diverted to UK shops to make it an unofficial UK release.
    Guinness note it as an "export single".

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  • Robbie
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    Was 'Gee Whiz It's You' an import in the true sense of the word? I'm sure I've read that the single was pressed in the UK and was meant for export to continental Europe but enough copies were diverted to UK shops to make it an unofficial UK release.

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  • Metalweb
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Tim Rice said 'Runaway' was his all-time favourite record. This was in the 70s (when he was compiling Guinness) so don't know if it is still.
    He took it to his desert island in '76 but it lost out to Tammy Wynette !


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009n0z8

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  • Splodj
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    I think it extremely likely that NME were using advance orders then, as they had it come in at No. 1 and RR at 27. Presley records that were long anticipated like this built up advance orders over weeks, but the chart compilers clearly had a policy of not registering them until the record had been released. This strikes me as a sensible policy.

    As for imports, as 'Gee Whiz' had charted on imports alone I see no reason why 'Surrender' would not have charted in the same way if imports of it had sold in sufficient numbers.

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  • Graham76man
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    Something unusual happened in that week (20 May) in the Real Chart. Elvis went flying in at Number One a week before the other charts. Two things might explain that. One paid upfront advanced orders. Though NOT people saying can you save me a copy without putting the money down. Or shops selling the USA copies, which had been issued in March over there. 45 Cat had no specific date on the record except May. But I found a Disc Paper and it confirmed that the record came out on the 19 May so I have updated 45 Cat to show this date.
    The Disc article does mention that advanced orders of the Elvis single were expected to be greater than the previous by him.
    As always with the Compilers of the Real Chart they will not tell me if they are advanced orders or if any USA records were purchased. It could be a combination of both. But since none of the charts of that time have it the charts that week. None were using advanced orders from the retailers. As the week ending charts for the 27 May cover the 19 May date, even if only for two days. But as we know already you can shift a lot of records in two days.

    PS: I was going to post this early today, but UKMIX broke down again.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    Frank Sinatra is a re-entry with My Blue Heaven on the 20th May Chart. It was at 30 on the 6th May.
    Amended

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  • braindeadpj
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    Frank Sinatra is a re-entry with My Blue Heaven on the 20th May Chart. It was at 30 on the 6th May.
    Last edited by braindeadpj; Wed February 3, 2021, 16:12.

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  • Splodj
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    Tim Rice said 'Runaway' was his all-time favourite record. This was in the 70s (when he was compiling Guinness) so don't know if it is still.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Del Shannon is heading for #1 but he will soon have very strong competition !

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 20th 1961

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 20th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Blue Moon - The Marcels 1 2 1 1 1 3 9760
    2 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 2 3 2 2 2 2 9490
    9 3 Runaway - Del Shannon 3 1 3 3 4 8 9200
    4 4 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 4 5 5 4 3 1 8910
    6 5 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 6= 4 6 7 7 4 8310
    12 6 The Frightened City - The Shadows 6= 6 4 6 6 9 8280
    3 7 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 5 7 8 5 5 5 8240
    5 8 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 8 8 7 8 8 6 7710
    14 9 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 9 12 9 11 10 12 6660
    17 10 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 11 10 10 12 15 14 6340
    7 11 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 10 11 16 13 9 7 6300
    8 12 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 12 16 13 10 11 10 6220
    10 13 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 13 19 11 9 13 11 6080
    28 14 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 14 9 14 15 18 20 5520
    11 15 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 15 15 18 14 14 13 5320
    13 16 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 16 14 15 18 12 16 5150
    24 17 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 17 13 12 17 19 19 5080
    18 18 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 18 16 19 16 20 15 4600
    21 19 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 19 16 17 16 18 3180
    19 20 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 20 20 17 2510
    23 21 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 22 19 24 2250
    22 22 I Still Love You All - Kenny Ball 20 20 17 26 1730
    16 23 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 24 20 22 1490
    NEW 24 Little Devil - Neil Sedaka 22 720
    30 25 Words - The Allisons 25 480
    15 26 Are You Sure - The Allisons 29 21 460
    RE 27 My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 26 400
    NEW 28 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 27 320
    NEW 29 Spurs Song - The Totnamites 28 240
    20 30 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 23 240
    F.B.I. - The Shadows 25 180
    And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 27 120
    (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 28 90
    I've Told Every Little Star - Linda Scott 30 80
    Mother-In-Law - Ernie K-Doe 29 60
    Baby Sittin' Boogie - Buzz Clifford 30 30

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah it is very unusual brain. If I remember correctly it has only happened once before in the top ten, it usually occurs between 21 and 30 as only NME and RR compile a chart beyond a top 20 at this stage.

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  • braindeadpj
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    That's unusual. Two lots of tied points (3 & 4 and 8 & 9) in the top 10 (both split by MM position). Is that a first?

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  • MrTibbs
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    I used the same criteria as I always do for tied points Brian, that being, which had most points from the music paper with most returns. As Helen placed higher in MM she was awarded the higher place. The BBC average was only taken from NME, MM, and Disc at this time with RM and RR not included.

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  • brian05
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    3 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 4 5 4 4 5 3 8810
    4 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 3 3 5 5 3 6 8810

    What criteria was used to separate songs with the same number of points?
    How come the BBC order was reversed?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 13th 1961

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 13th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Blue Moon - The Marcels 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    2 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 2 2 2 2 2 2 9570
    4 3 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 4 5 4 4 5 3 8810
    8 4 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 3 3 5 5 3 6 8810
    3 5 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 5 8 3 3 4 5 8730
    14 6 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 6 6 6 8 6 4 8090
    11 7 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 7 7 8 9 9 7 7540
    7 8 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 9 14 10 6 7 9 7230
    21 9 Runaway - Del Shannon 8 4 7 12 11 13 7230
    6 10 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 10 12 17 7 8 11 6750
    10 11 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 11 15 11 10 10 8 6530
    NEW 12 The Frightened City - The Shadows 12= 9 9 14 16 19 6060
    12 13 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 14 10 12 15 17 10 5910
    17 14 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 12= 11 14 16 12 14 5730
    9 15 Are You Sure - The Allisons 15= 20 15 11 14 18 5280
    5 16 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 15= 17 19 13 15 16 5070
    26 17 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 17 12 13 18 18 21 4980
    13 18 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 18 19 16 17 13 12 4870
    15 19 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 19 15 20 20 20 15 4180
    16 20 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 26 19 17 2140
    NEW 21 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 23 18 19 2020
    NEW 22 I Still Love You All - Kenny Ball 20 18 1040
    24 23 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 22 23 960
    28 24 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 21 28 890
    23 25 Samantha - Kenny Ball 25 24 690
    27 26 Mother-In-Law - Ernie K-Doe 24 560
    19 27 F.B.I. - The Shadows 29 20 490
    NEW 28 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 27 320
    20 29 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 22 270
    NEW 30 Words - The Allisons 28 240
    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 25 180
    The Magnificent Seven - The John Barry Seven 29 160
    My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 29 160
    (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 26 150
    Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 27 120
    Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 29 60
    My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 30 30

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    The Marcels leap frog The Temperance Seven to take #1. The Marcels meet the 2 out of 3 point rule to do this. Although fewer points, they are #1 in 3 of the 5 charts, and are closest to the top by having 8 points to 9 points in the music paper chart add up.
    And they were the best selling "sales" based record that week and next week also

    So Speaks the Voice of God!

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Thank you for doing that . I'd encourage as many as possible to do it!

  • kingofskiffle
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    No he is not a mod - I'm not keen on the comment function myself but I can see how it can add when it is a small point that is required to be added to a specific post.

  • MrTibbs
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    The Marcels leap frog The Temperance Seven to take #1. The Marcels meet the 2 out of 3 point rule to do this. Although fewer points, they are #1 in 3 of the 5 charts, and are closest to the top by having 8 points to 9 points in the music paper chart add up.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 6th 1961

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 6th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    4 1 Blue Moon - The Marcels 1= 1 2 3 1 1 9620
    2 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 1= 2 1 1 2 3 9710
    1 3 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 3 3 3 2 3 2 9380
    12 4 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 7 8 4 6 9 7 8030
    5 5 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 5 4 10 5 11 12 7850
    6 6 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 9 9 9 7 8 4 7680
    11 7 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 4 7 8 9 4 11 7670
    17 8 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 6 6 5 10 6 15 7600
    3 9 Are You Sure - The Allisons 8 12 12 4 7 6 7580
    7 10 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 11 13 6 8 5 5 7550
    9 11 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 10 5 7 11 10 8 7460
    15 12 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 12 11 11 12 12 9 6500
    18 13 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 13= 15 13 14 13 14 5640
    NEW 14 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 13= 13 15 15 14 13 5550
    10 15 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 15 9 17 18 16 16 5230
    14 16 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 17= 17 19 16 18 10 4770
    25 17 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 16 16 16 17 15 23 4680
    8 18 Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 17= 26 18 13 17 18 4250
    19 19 F.B.I. - The Shadows 24 19 20 20 2760
    16 20 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 19= 20 19 19 2170
    26 21 Runaway - Del Shannon 19= 18 14 28 2150
    21 22 Baby Sittin' Boogie - Buzz Clifford 27 20 21 1280
    22 23 Samantha - Kenny Ball 20 24 1090
    24 24 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 19 27 1080
    13 25 Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 25 17 900
    NEW 26 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 21 800
    NEW 27 Mother-In-Law - Ernie K-Doe 22 720
    NEW 28 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 23 640
    20 29 My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 22 270
    NEW 30 My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 28 240
    Will You Love Me Tomorrow - The Shirelles 25 180
    The Magnificent Seven - Al Caiola 29 160
    Coronation Street - Geoff Love 29 160
    A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 26 150
    Wheels - The String-A-Longs 29 60
    (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 30 30

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by BrainDamageII View Post
    I just noticed that this facility was available again Brain so that's my premium membership up and running again. Thanks for the prompt.

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