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  • Lonnie Donegan's Nixa/Pye career kicks off this week with Stewball the 'B' side to Lost John which is about to chart and will be the much bigger side. Elvis with Heartbreak Hotel although available won't chart till mid May.
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    • I’ve always thought Lost John to be a little better than Stewball. Stewball is a B-Side (one of those classic ‘okay’ B-Sides of the 1970’s - or to be fair almost any era) where you didn;t buy it for that…
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      • Greetings Pop Pickers

        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 28th 1956

        Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 28th 1956 NME MM RM Total
        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
        1 1 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 1 1 1 4350
        2 2 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 2 3 2 4185
        3 3 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 3 2 3 4080
        14 4 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 4 4 4 3915
        4 5 Only You - The Hilltoppers 5 6 5 3750
        7 6 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 6 8 7 3525
        11 7 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 8 5 6 3515
        9 8 My September Love - David Whitfield 9 7 8 3290
        5 9 Zambesi - Lou Busch 7 10 10 3240
        6 10 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 10 9 9 3125
        8 11 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 11 11 12 2840
        10 12 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - The Dick Hyman Trio 12 17 11 2715
        13 13 You Can't Be True To two - Dave King 13 13 13 2610
        16 14 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 14 16 16 2305
        12 15 Willie Can - Alma Cogan 15 18 15 2260
        21 16 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 19 14 14 2140
        NEW 17 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan (A) 16 20 17 2035
        15 18 I'm A Fool - Slim Whitman 20 11 18 1895
        22 19 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray 17 18 1690
        NEW 20 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 24 19 20 1355
        17 21 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 18 14 1185
        18 22 Seven Days - Anne Shelton 20 715
        RE 23 In A Little Spanish Town - Bing Crosby 22 585
        27 24 Willie Can - The Beverly Sisters 23 520
        19 25 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Billy Vaughn 28 20 415
        23 26 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 25 390
        28 27 Zambesi - Eddie Calvert 26 325
        NEW 28 Innamorata - Dean Martin 27 260
        NEW 29 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 29 130
        NEW 30 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como 30 65
        20 30 Nothin' To Do - Michael Holliday 30 65
        24 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry
        25 Chain Gang - Jimmy Young
        26 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell
        29 Jimmy Unknown - Lita Roza
        30 Stewball - Lonnie Donegan (B)
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        • Greetings Pop Pickers

          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 5th 1956

          Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 5th 1956 NME MM RM Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 2 1 1 4285
          4 2 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 1 2 2 4270
          2 3 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 3 3 3 4060
          3 4 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 4 4 5 3855
          7 5 A Tear Fell Teresa Brewer 6 5 4 3765
          5 6 Only You - The Hilltoppers 5 7 6 3670
          8 7 My September Love - Davis Whitfield 7 6 7 3500
          20 8 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 9 10 8 3230
          14 9 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 8 16 13 2875
          17 10 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 12 11 11 2835
          16 11 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 14 9 10 2805
          11 12 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 10 12 15 2705
          6 13 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 15 8 12 2640
          10 14 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 13 13 14 2550
          12 15 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera - The Dick Hyman Trio 19 15 9 2420
          13 16 You Can't Be True To two - Dave King 11 18 17 2400
          9 17 Zambesi - Lou Busch 16 14 16 2215
          15 18 Willie Can - Alma Cogan 17 17 18 1970
          19 19 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray 18 19 1565
          26 20 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 18 20 920
          21 21 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 20 715
          28 22 Innamorata - Dean Martin 21 650
          30 23 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como 22 585
          30 24 Nothin' To Do - Michael Holliday 23 520
          29 25 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 24 455
          25 26 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Billy Vaughn 25 390
          RE 27 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 26 325
          24 28 Willie Can - The Beverly Sisters 27 260
          18 29 I'm A Fool - Slim Whitman 20 220
          NEW 30 Hell Hath No Fury - Frankie Laine 28 195
          23 In A Little Spanish Town - Bing Crosby 29 130
          22 Seven Days - Anne Shelton 30 65
          27 Zambesi - Eddie Calvert
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          • Starting both the Top 10 and Top 20 One thing I do like is that when his chart career ended in 1962 (ten years into the UK chart life) he is STILL - after another 60 years - still in the Top 100 Most Weeks On Chart for the Top 75. I think also Top 100, but not checked that in a long while. Other artists have done the same thing - massive success in a short space of time then nothing, which is a shame. Some of those older ones are doing well in the current download/streaming era, but others less so.
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            • I think it's unfair that Cliff, good as he was, is often credited as being the first British superstar of the rock era. That accolade without a doubt belongs to Lonnie Donegan. He took the British record industry by the scruff of the neck in early 1956 and dragged it from the era of big bands, ballads and novelty songs and put UK music on the map. Rock Island Line, Lost John, Dead Or Alive,etc, stands out in 1956 as so progressively different and refreshing. Lonnie Donegan gets some credit but nowhere near enough as a pioneer of early British Rock.

              However, having said that I'm going to incur the wrath of Lonnie (kingofskiffle) here. In 1957 when Don't You Rock Me Daddy-O surfaces, for my money The Vipers Skiffle Group's version was a superior version to Lonnie's. Gulp !
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              • ... as a pioneer of early British Rock.
                But is skiffle music rock 'n' roll? It may have later evolved. I consider Lonnie's "Dustman" a novelty record, not rock!

                Cliff's Move It is rock 'n' roll in my opinion.

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                • Originally posted by brian05 View Post

                  But is skiffle music rock 'n' roll? It may have later evolved. I consider Lonnie's "Dustman" a novelty record, not rock!

                  Cliff's Move It is rock 'n' roll in my opinion.
                  Ah, but I never said Skiffle was Rock'n'Roll Brian. I said it was 'Rock' which became the generic umbrella name for a number of new genres from this era. For example, The Platters weren't Rock'n'Roll but they are considered today as part of the 'Rock' movement from that era.
                  The 'Rock' umbrella therefore included many genres such as Rock'n'Roll, Skiffle, Doo-Wop even.

                  Yeah Lonnie's 'Dustman' was a novelty, the birth of 'Rock' didn't kill off the balladeers and the novelties, they co-existed side by side. Many rock artists through the years threw in the occasional novelty, Cliff, Lonnie, even Elvis and we can't forget Chuck Berry and his Ding-A-Ling !
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                  • 1956 is proving a nightmare to work with to compile a composite chart. It's the slowest year yet I've had to work with. What seems easy becomes complicated.
                    The biggest problem is with split sides, as none of the three papers at the moment stick by the same rules. NME sometimes splits and sometimes combines as do RM and MM. The difficulty is they sometimes do it on different weeks making it difficult to even use the averaging system of using two to determine the third. AAAAAAAAAGH !!!!!!!!

                    To give an idea of what I mean. I'm currently working on September 15th 1956.
                    NME combine Lonnie's Dead Or Alive/Bring A Little Water Sylvie at #10
                    RM splits the sides, Dead at #13 and Sylvie at #16
                    MM don't place it at all this week.
                    So I'm baffled as to how a composite chart position can be awarded for this week of the 15th. One combined and one split

                    The following week isn't as bad as MM will split both sides aligning with RM so an average for those two can be used for an NME position.

                    My head hurts


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                    • The way I would have done it would have been to have the combined with full points (chart and shops) then added both tracks as the points of being in the chart (only) to the combined. With the ruling if any one chart combines then the others separate sides are added to it.
                      Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                      • I need to re listen to both tracks Brian so will do so before commenting. Very rarely heard the Vipers version as I prefer to hear a song once and not multiple versions. So when this came on it was usually part of a compilation album so other versions would be skipped.

                        For me their was Jazz (1940’s) then Skiffle came out of that and then Rock and Roll came out of Jazz via a different route. Skiffle sort of faded and Rock music and Rock and Roll took over. Skiffle was about making music yourself out of anything. Rock needed more instruments.

                        I do feel Lonnie’s contribution in general is underrated. Regardless of what came after (and yes he did go down a more novelty route in the 60’s) he got people to play guitars. Loads have said as much (Lennon, Brian May etc).
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                        • 'Lost John' was the first record Lennon bought. He went round chanting the bit at the end, but substituting his own name.

                          The follow up reportedly had an unprecedented 20,000 advance orders.

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                          • So I spent some time listening to both of the versions. I think I understand the difference between the two and why Brian likes the Vipers version. Lonnie does it fast but does different lyrics. I suspect he cleaned them up as the original is a cheating woman and Lonnie might have been going for the BBC crowd in that “you can’t say this on the BBC…. “ era. Either way I’m fairly sure both where played but they are different stories.

                            The Vipers Version sounds a lot more like a song of Skiffle origin in some ways. It’s a couple of guys with not many instruments.

                            I’m not sure I don’t like it more either!
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                            • Yeah u hit the nail on the head Lonnie, I think too it's because it has more of a feel of true stripped back skiffle to it.
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                              • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 12th 1956

                                Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 12th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                2 1 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 1 1 1 4350
                                1 2 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 2 2 2 4205
                                3 3 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 3 3 5 3940
                                5 4 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 5 5 3 3890
                                4 5 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 6 3 6 3685
                                7 6 My September Love - David Whitfield 7 6 4 3680
                                6 7 Only You - The Hilltoppers 3 8 8 3660
                                11 8 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 9 7 7 3350
                                10 9 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan (A) 8 10 10 3175
                                8 10 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 10 9 9 3125
                                9 11 Theme From'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 11 13 11 2860
                                13 12 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 14 11 12 2645
                                16 13 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 12 15 14 2575
                                12 14 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 13 14 16 2410
                                20 15 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 20 12 13 2175
                                14 16 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 17 15 19 1950
                                15 17 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - The Dick Hyman Trio 16 18 19 1784
                                18 18 Willie Can - Alma Cogan 18 17 1685
                                25 19 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 22 15 1545
                                NEW 20 No Other Love - Edmund Hockridge 27 19 18 1280
                                NEW 21 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 15 1040
                                17 22 Zambesi - Lou Busch 21 17 930
                                19 23 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray 19 780
                                NEW 24 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 23 520
                                21 25 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 24 455
                                23 26 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como 25 390
                                RE 27 In A Little Spanish Town - Bing Crosby 26 325
                                RE 28 Stewball - Lonnie Donegan (B) 20 220
                                NEW 29 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 28 195
                                29 30 I'm A Fool - Slim Whitman 29 130
                                22 Innamorata - Dean Martin 30 65
                                24 Nothin' To Do - Michael Holliday
                                26 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Billy Vaughn
                                27 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge
                                28 Willie Can - The Beverly Sisters
                                30 Hell Hath No Fury - Frankie Laine
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                                • This must have been the era that my mother liked more than any other as she owned a number of records from the above chart and also had some compilation album that has a few others from this era on it too (including the above number 1 by Ronnie Hilton). This is the one I think: https://www.discogs.com/master/12175...l-Chartbusters as the cover looks familiar as is the tracklisting.

                                  Unbelievable to think that when she moved from a house to a bungalow in 2003 she threw out all her old 78s, 45s and LPs. And I let her! I should have offered to take them as there were some gems amongst the dross...

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                                  • Like you Robbie I can remember quite a few of the records from this era too as my parents also bought records from the chart at this time so through the years I became familiar with quite a few.

                                    Like Lonnie, here, my father was a huge Lonnie Donegan fan buying his singles, EP's, and albums from that time. I can also remember Kay Starr's Rock And Roll Waltz was a great favourite of theirs and can actually remember seeing them dance to it.

                                    All their collection went too years later believing nobody wanted these 'old records'.
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                                    • NEW 21 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley

                                      The King has arrived - at last. Things will never be the same again.

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                                      • I've just noticed that Elvis Presley makes his chart debut with one of the best debut releases (or at least debut hits) in the history of the singles chart. According to wikipedia every executive at RCA who heard the recording of 'Heartbreak Hotel' (which was recorded in a hallway at the RCA studios in Nashville to get the desired echo effect) thought the song was a mess, that it was a terrible choice of single and that it shouldn't be released. Presley stood his ground, producer Stephen Sholes backed Presley (despite also having reservations about the song but he was impressed by Presley's belief in the song) and the rest is history.

                                        edit: just noticed brian05's post

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                                        • Sorry for the delay, but I noticed a few errors so far:
                                          In the April 21st chart, either the previous weeks positions for Lonnie Donegan and Don Cherry are switched, or since the same error is apparent in the April 28th chart, the artists/titles have been switched. Can you please clarify which error it is? The Complete UK Charts thread (https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...k-charts/page2) shows the NME positions as correct suggesting its the previous weeks that are wrong in both the 21st and 4th May charts.

                                          In the April 28th chart, Bing Crosby is a re-entry as he was at 24 in the 14/4/1956.

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                                          • Also in the May 5th chart 15 and 16 are numbered correctly but are in the wrong order. Consequently the previous week numbers in the May 12th chart are the wrong way round. In addition, in the May 12th chart you have two number 17s, though it looks like Dean Martin should be 16.

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                                            • I had actually noticed all of the above on checking after completion and amended them all on the original spreadsheet. Then after amending to the required changes forget to save the changes so the original errors got posted here.

                                              I have now amended all these errors here in the above charts and on my masters and have remembered to save them this time. Well spotted brain and thanks, I like complete accuracy.
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                                              • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                                Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 19th 1956

                                                Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '


                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 19th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                                1 1 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 1 1 1 4350
                                                2 2 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 2 2 2 4205
                                                4 3 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 4 4 3 3975
                                                6 4 My September Love - David Whitfield 3 5 5 3900
                                                5 5 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 5 2 6 3770
                                                8 6 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 7 6 4 3680
                                                3 7 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 6 7 10 3365
                                                10 8 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 9 9 7 3310
                                                9 9 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan (A) 10 10 9 3105
                                                7 10 Only You - The Hilltoppers 12 8 8 3075
                                                11 11 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 11 11 11 2900
                                                24 12 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 8 12 2635
                                                13 13 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 13 12 13 2630
                                                21 14 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 14 18 17 2205
                                                29 15 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 17 17 15 2150
                                                14 16 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 16 13 18 2115
                                                18 17 Willie Can - Alma Cogan 22 15 19 1625
                                                NEW 18 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell 19 20 1440
                                                17 19 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - The Dick Hyman Trio 25 14 1410
                                                20 20 No Other Love - Edmund Hockridge 24 16 1355
                                                19 21 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 15 18 1300
                                                NEW 22 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 18 18 1105
                                                15 23 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 20 18 975
                                                12 24 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 22 14 925
                                                25 25 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 21 650
                                                16 26 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 27 18 520
                                                23 27 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray 26 325
                                                30 28 I'm A Fool - Slim Whitman 15 320
                                                22 29 Zambesi - Lou Busch 28 195
                                                NEW 30 Robin Hood / Davy Crockett - Dick James 29 130
                                                26 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como 30 65
                                                27 In A Little Spanish Town - Bing Crosby
                                                28 Stewball - Lonnie Donegan (B)
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                                                • NEW 22 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins

                                                  Another great Rock track. Wonder how Elvis will get on with his "cover" version?

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                                                  • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                                                    NEW 22 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins

                                                    Another great Rock track. Wonder how Elvis will get on with his "cover" version?
                                                    The battle between both versions begins next week brian
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