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  • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    NEW 22 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins

    Another great Rock track. Wonder how Elvis will get on with his "cover" version?
    The battle between both versions begins next week brian
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    • Greetings Pop Pickers

      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 26th 1956

      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 26th 1956 NME MM RM Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
      1 1 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 1 1 1 4350
      3 2 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 2 2 2 4205
      6 3 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 4 3 3 3995
      2 4 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 3 6 5 3880
      4 5 My September Love - David Whitfield 5 4 4 3850
      5 6 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 6 5 7 3585
      9 7 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 7 7 6 3540
      12 8 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 9 14 8 3150
      8 9 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 10 10 9 3105
      14 10 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 8 13 11 3055
      10 11 Only You - The Hilltoppers 11 9 10 3000
      7 12 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 13 8 12 2770
      11 13 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 12 11 13 2715
      22 14 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 14 20 15 2285
      13 15 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 17 15 14 2250
      NEW 16 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 15 19 19 2000
      23 17 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 21 12 16 1930
      15 18 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 19 17 1620
      16 19 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 22 17 19 1585
      26 20 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 25 16 18 1470
      NEW 21 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 16 18 1235
      21 22 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 17 910
      18 23 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell 20 715
      NEW 24 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 23 520
      27 25 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray 24 455
      25 26 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 26 325
      NEW 27 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 27 260
      NEW 28 Ivory Tower - The Three Kayes 28 195
      RE 29 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como 29 130
      24 30 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 30 65
      17 Willie Can - Alma Cogan
      28 I'm A Fool - Slim Whitman
      20 No Other Love - Edmund Hockridge
      19 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - The Dick Hyman Trio
      29 Zambesi - Lou Busch
      30 Robin Hood / Davy Crockett - Dick James
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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      • 'Heartbreak Hotel' climbs into the top 10 while 'Blue Suede Shoes' enters at 21. The latter was possibly rush released to compete with the Carl Perkins version. If not it seems like a strange release policy to have two singles by the same act (and a new act at that) competing for sales. 'Heartbreak Hotel' appears to have taken a few weeks from release to chart so perhaps His Master's Voice were already set to release 'Blue Suede Shoes' and went ahead regardless.

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        • Here's something interesting, I was looking up the release date for the other Elvis Track on 45 Worlds and they have it for June. Which is clearly wrong! But I wanted to see if the papers had a date for it. But the only one I could find that is on the US site, was Melody Maker for June of 1956. And guess what under the chart for June they had a list of stores. So I captured the image and found they were using (if I counted them right) 31 stores! As you can see the text is a bit smudge, so hard to read. But it does reveal the stores and one of them is Brian Epstein's NEMES store in Liverpool. Which is also found later in Record Mirror's list proving that the same stores could have taken part in the surveys of different papers. Alan Smith said they didn't. But clearly they did!

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          Other issues in June have 30 and 33 shops used.
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          • Greetings Pop Pickers

            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 2nd 1956

            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 2nd 1956 NME MM RM Total
            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
            1 1 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 1 1 1 4350
            2 2 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 4 2 2 4075
            3 3 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 3 3 3 4060
            7 4 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 2 4 4 4045
            10 5 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 5 8 5 3710
            5 6 My September Love - David Whitfield 7 6 5 3620
            4 7 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 6 7 7 3545
            6 8 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 8 5 10 3275
            8 9 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 9 11 8 3210
            9 10 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 12 9 9 2995
            24 11 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 10 12 11 2945
            11 12 Only You - The Hilltoppers 11 13 12 2800
            18 13 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 14 17 13 2465
            16 14 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 13 15 15 2450
            13 15 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 15 18 14 2320
            15 16 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 17 14 16 2150
            14 17 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 16 19 17 2055
            12 18 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 21 9 19 1810
            21 19 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 19 20 18 1780
            17 20 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 22 16 19 1605
            22 21 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 18 845
            23 22 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell 20 715
            19 23 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and The Comets 23 520
            NEW 24 Delilah Jones - The McGuire Sisters 24 455
            29 25 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como 25 390
            NEW 26 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 26 325
            27 27 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 27 260
            NEW 28 The Happy Whistler - Cyril Stapleton 28 195
            RE 29 No Other Love - Edmund Hockridge 29 130
            28 30 Ivory Tower - The Three Kayes 30 65
            20 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin
            25 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray
            26 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson
            30 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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            • While 'Lost John' is poised to enter the top three Lonnie's 'Rock Island Line' is still hanging around in the Top 20. Elvis the other 'new kid on the block' is also making big strides up the Top 10.
              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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              • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                'Heartbreak Hotel' climbs into the top 10 while 'Blue Suede Shoes' enters at 21. The latter was possibly rush released to compete with the Carl Perkins version.
                40 years of NME charts says,

                "HMV rush Elvis' cover version of Blue Suede Shoes on to the UK market as soon as Heartbreak Hotel made the chart. The song was marketed as an EP in the US. But in the UK, the usurping of an original with a stronger cover version was still the major ploy in the A&R man's book - even when, as here, both versions were American."

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                • On the May 26th chart Perry Como Juke box jury is a re-entry. Also the last week positions for 'The Happy Whistler' and 'You Can't Be True To Two' are switched and also 'Mountain Greenery' and 'No Other Love'

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                  • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
                    On the May 26th chart Perry Como Juke box jury is a re-entry. Also the last week positions for 'The Happy Whistler' and 'You Can't Be True To Two' are switched and also 'Mountain Greenery' and 'No Other Love'
                    Those are sorted above guys. I'm concerned that a few minor errors are creeping in here just a couple of days apart. As I mentioned in an earlier post a few days ago these Fifties charts are much more difficult to work with and much more time consuming due to checking A and B sides that both chart, split sides on one chart but not another, etc etc.

                    In my attempt to work ahead compiling these under pressure for daily posts perhaps this pace is obviously compromising sufficiently robust checks which previous years with less variance allowed and therefore a few more errors are slipping through the net. I have said all along this is a very important project for me, I'm a perfectionist and I want to get this project spot on and completely error free in order to deliver the best composite chart around anywhere.

                    So to allow myself more time for compiling and checking these more complicated charts and reduce the pressure on daily delivery I intend for the time being to post a chart every other day as opposed to daily. I hope this is acceptable to you guys also. I don't want the embarrassment of guys picking up on careless errors every couple of days. It reflects badly on the project.

                    As a side issue I get a lot of enquiries as to why I don't include the other less known minor charts into the project. My answer is simple and for two reasons. Firstly, this project is about revisiting, correcting, and improving the BBC charts so has to stay true to the charts they used.
                    Secondly, all the other minor charts had a shorter shelf life of a few years at best so no real consistency, also, although the major charts had obvious differences between them, especially RR as we all discuss at length, they do have a consistency in the higher positions. The minor charts, like Top Pops, Music Echo etc, had enormous differences between them and the majors at times including off the wall number one's, Music Echo had some really weird ones. They whilst respected in their own right would bring nothing of value to The Ultimate Averaged Chart. All these different charts dropping by for just a couple of years then dropping out would just disrupt consistency. That's just my thoughts of course you will also have your own opinions on this which I of course respect as always.

                    Brian
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                    • Brian, you’re doing exactly what is sensible. And I appreciate that the few minor faults are quickly corrected. Even the pope has turned out to do faults, and god hasn’t been seen for 2000 years.

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                      • There’s one way to completely avoid doing faults, and that is to do nothing at all. Heaven forbid that.

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                        • Apologies for not mentioning earlier, but on the June 2nd chart, Edmond Hockridge is a reentry.

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                          • Just a heads up for you. 45Cat site has now the option to have more than 50 results if you subscribe. You can subscribe to all three sites for under 30 for the year. There are lots of features too for subscribers. I have done so myself and checked the results for the current month on here, got more than 100 results back. You can have up to 250 results. They did say you could have the 78's in most collected order, but 45 Worlds never did that option, so it doesn't work there.
                            There are a lot of most owned EP's from this period. Do you think that people went more for the 45 EP's than they did for the 45 singles at this time? Getting 78's for the singles? I don't know if 78's were cheaper than 45's at this time, but it could have been a factor in keeping the 78 alive at this point (1956).
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                            • I suspect sales of record players would be an indication here as well as, unless I am mistaken, a new record plater was needed for 45 rather than 78? I know that today one can play them all and one needle can do the lot (my dad’s needed a special needle for the 78 to avoid damage but it can be done). So today you’d buy one, but then those who had a 78 would have needed a new machine I think.
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                              • My dad had a radiogram that played both as I remember. The cartridge had two different needles on it with a little nozzle on front that you rotated to select a needle for 45's or LP's, and another to play 78's.
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                                • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                  Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 9th 1956

                                  Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                  I've corrected the Edmund Hockridge record mentioned above.

                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 9th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                  1 1 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton * 1 1 3 4230
                                  3 2 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone* 2 2 1 4265
                                  4 3 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan (A) 3 4 2 4100
                                  2 4 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 5 3 4 3870
                                  5 5 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 4 6 5 3815
                                  11 6 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 7 8 6 3520
                                  6 7 My September Love - David Whitfield 8 5 7 3455
                                  14 8 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 6 9 13 3145
                                  8 9 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 9 7 11 3110
                                  7 10 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 11 10 9 3040
                                  9 11 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 13 11 8 2950
                                  13 12 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 12 12 12 2755
                                  19 13 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 10 18 14 2645
                                  10 14 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 17 18 10 2430
                                  26 15 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 15 14 16 2280
                                  17 16 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 16 17 15 2215
                                  12 17 Only You - The Hilltoppers 14 13 20 2125
                                  15 18 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 21 20 1310
                                  21 19 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 22 19 1305
                                  27 20 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 28 20 18 1195
                                  20 21 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 19 15 1100
                                  22 22 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell 18 845
                                  NEW 23 Hot Diggity - The Stargazers 17 840
                                  30 24 Ivory Tower - The Three Kayes 20 715
                                  16 25 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 25 15 710
                                  NEW 26 Take It Satch (EP) - Louis Armstrong 20 660
                                  18 27 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 23 520
                                  RE 28 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray 24 455
                                  28 29 The Happy Whistler - Cyril Stapleton 26 325
                                  NEW 30 The Wayward Wind - Jimmy Young 27 260
                                  Stewball - Lonnie Donegan (B) 20 220
                                  24 Delilah Jones - The McGuire Sisters 29 120
                                  Who Are We - Vera Lynn 30 65
                                  23 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets
                                  25 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como
                                  29 No Other Love - Edmund Hockridge
                                  * Three Point Rule apllied to confirm #1
                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                  • The 3 speed mechanism was generally fitted to all new record players by this time. Cartridges would be the type you turn over for 78's. They were no longer being called "needles" but "stylus" though. Many people even young people even call them "needles" today. The 78 records still need a larger stylus today as the grooves on a 78 are larger than the 45 and 33. If you have a 78 today you can still play them, even if the record deck has only 45 or 33 speeds. Though you will to record it with an audio software. The software then can change it to the 78 speed.
                                    Later on the Boxed record player came out that would be a favourite of the teenager gave the 45 and LP a boost. fhdhfefyw6usa4npcyts.jpg
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                                    • ^
                                      that looks exactly like the record player my mum still had in the early 70s! That too had a 33/45/78 changeable control. To play 78s you had to flick the needle over.

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                                      • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 16th 1956

                                        Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 16th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                        2 1 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 1 1 1 4350
                                        3 2 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 2 4 2 4165
                                        1 3 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 4 2 3 4015
                                        5 4 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 3 4 6 3860
                                        4 5 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 7 3 4 3740
                                        6 6 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 7 5 3665
                                        8 7 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 5 8 7 3590
                                        7 8 My September Love - David Whitfield 8 6 8 3375
                                        13 9 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 9 11 9 3150
                                        11 10 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 11 10 9 3040
                                        16 11 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 10 15 13 2765
                                        9 12 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 12 9 15 2635
                                        15 13 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 13 15 12 2630
                                        10 14 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 15 20 14 2280
                                        12 15 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 14 13 18 2245
                                        14 16 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 21 17 11 2130
                                        19 17 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 17 18 1690
                                        NEW 18 Gal With The Yaller Shoes - Michael Holliday (B) 19 20 1440
                                        17 19 Only You - The Hilltoppers 16 12 1355
                                        20 20 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 18 14 1185
                                        NEW 21 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday (A) 20 16 1120
                                        22 22 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell 20 715
                                        29 23 The Happy Whistler - Cyril Stapleton 22 585
                                        18 24 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 23 520
                                        24 25 Ivory Tower - The Three Kayes 24 455
                                        21 26 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 25 390
                                        25 27 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 18 260
                                        23 28 Hot Diggity - The Stargazers 19 240
                                        NEW 29 Carousel Waltz - Ray Martin 28 195
                                        26 30 Take It Satch (EP) - Louis Armstrong 29 130
                                        No Other Love - Edmund Hockridge 30 65
                                        27 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers
                                        28 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray
                                        30 The Wayward Wind - Jimmy Young
                                        Songs For Swingin' Lovers (LP) - Frank Sinatra 26 325
                                        Carousel' Sountrack (LP) 27 195
                                        * RM did not list a #17 this week
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                        • So the NME chart has one EP and two LPs in their chart.
                                          Is that the first occasion these were allowed in the SINGLES chart?
                                          Did the NME can any explanation why they were included?

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                                          • I don’t believe they did. And yes I think it is.
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                                            • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                                              So the NME chart has one EP and two LPs in their chart.
                                              Is that the first occasion these were allowed in the SINGLES chart?
                                              Did the NME can any explanation why they were included?
                                              NME will continue to chart albums in the singles chart until the late sixties Brian.
                                              RM will also chart those two albums in their singles chart in the next few weeks.
                                              MM stayed true to singles and did not chart the albums.

                                              NME, RM (till it's demise in 1962), MM, and Disc all charted EP's in their singles chart again well into the sixties. Only RR resisted this until the end of 1967 when they too charted The Beatles' 'Magical Mystery Tour' EP in their singles chart.
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                              • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                                RM will also chart those two albums in their singles chart in the next few weeks.
                                                It looks like RM stopped including albums in the 'general / singles' chart when they started their LP chart. Although it is possible that "Songs for Swingin' Lovers", having fallen from 11 to 13, would have exited the singles chart anyway.

                                                There is an EP coming up called 'All Star Hit Parade' which was really an EEP as it had 6 tracks!

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                                                • I think it is rather because of these two that they started the Albums chart - or rather because these and others where showing up in returns they would have had a talk internally about the chart and what they where charting. Remember, NME was 'The Hit Parade' not "Singles Chart", and neither was RM - they called it 'Britain's Top Ten', with no specific mention that it was singles. Even MM called it 'Top Discs', which could imply both singles and albums.
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                                                  • Interesting that there were 3 different reactions to the growth in sales of LPs at this time:

                                                    NME - we'll include them in our general chart
                                                    RM - we'll create a separate chart
                                                    MM - we'll exclude them from our general chart

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