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  • Originally posted by Splodj View Post

    There is an EP coming up called 'All Star Hit Parade' which was really an EEP as it had 6 tracks!
    It was an EP yet it wasn't an EP as such. Although various artists sang a part each of a different popular song of the time each track just ran consecutively. Given that the original versions of each of thee songs had just been a hit for the original artists I could never understand the popularity of this disc.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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    • Hello Mr. Tibbs, you have two 28's and no 27 for the NME chart in the 16th June chart. According to the Complete UK Charts thread (https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...k-charts/page2), the Carousel soundtrack was at 27 and the Carousel Waltz was at 28.

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      • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

        I could never understand the popularity of this disc.
        45 Cat answers that question:

        "LORD'S TAVERNERS RECORD
        The entire profits from this record, together with fees and royalties from artists, publishers, etc., are being donated to The National Playing Fields Association."
        It was the first ever Charity record to chart!

        Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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        • Sorted, probably because both were listed in close proximity to each other.
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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          • Greetings Pop Pickers

            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 23rd 1956

            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 23rd 1956 NME MM RM Total
            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
            1 1 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 1 1 1 4350
            4 2 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 2 3 4 4065
            2 3 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 3 6 2 4060
            6 4 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 4 3 3845
            3 5 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 5 2 5 3830
            7 6 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 4 5 6 3775
            5 7 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 8 7 7 3415
            8 8 My September Love - David Whitfield 8 9 8 3315
            13 9 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 7 15 9 3200
            9 10 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 10 8 10 3085
            11 11 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 12 10 15 2615
            21 12 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday (A) 15 13 11 2600
            10 13 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 14 11 13 2585
            15 14 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 11 12 2440
            18 15 Gal With The Yaller Shoes - Michael Holliday (B) 13 19 17 2250
            17 16 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 17 19 1630
            16 17 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 27 16 1160
            20 18 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 18 17 1125
            NEW 19 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 29 17 970
            12 20 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 22 14 925
            14 21 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 18 845
            22 22 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell 20 715
            19 23 Only You - The Hilltoppers 26 12 705
            24 24 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 21 650
            23 25 The Happy Whistler - Cyril Stapleton 23 520
            28 26 Hot Diggity - The Stargazers 28 17 475
            NEW 27 Serenade - Slim Whitman 24 455
            NEW 28 Rich Man Poor Man - Jimmy Young 25 390
            25 29 Ivory Tower - The Three Kayes 30 16 365
            27 30 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 20 220
            The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 30 65
            Songs For Swingin' Lovers (LP) - Frank Sinatra 16 13 2055
            Carousel Soundtrack (LP) 19 720
            26 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan
            29 Carousel Waltz - Ray Martin
            30 Take It Satch (EP) - Louis Armstrong
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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            • Ah, and he falls. Shame. So close to a number 1 in a way. It isn’t the best of songs….
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              • Quite an interesting entry at number 19 by Johnny Dankworth. The producer was none other than George Martin who had taken over as head of Parlophone the previous year.

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                • Yeah it would have been good to see Lonnie nudge Pat Boone aside but this was to be Pat's biggest UK hit much loved apparently on Two Way Family Favourites on the radio every Sunday. If it hadn't been for MM's lower chart placing Lonnie would have held on to #2.
                  Yeah it wasn't George Martin's finest hour but then I suspect he will go on to greater things

                  Blue Suede Shoes was a cracking toon by any standards and would no doubt been a bigger hit had both Elvis and Carl not cancelled each other out both peaking a couple of places apart.
                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                  • And thats one reason why I think record companies started to limit recordings. It wasn’t like the dance band era it’s different versions having an uplift to sales. As chart placing became more important they wanted and needed to maximise this.
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                    Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                    • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                      The producer was none other than George Martin who had taken over as head of Parlophone the previous year.
                      So The Goons version of 'Unchained Melody' must have been one of his first jobs in this role. Although it is usually omitted from his production credits, presumably because EMI refused to release it at the time. Apparently it was his 'working with the Goons' stories that most impressed The Beatles about him at their first meeting!

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                      • Originally posted by Splodj View Post

                        So The Goons version of 'Unchained Melody' must have been one of his first jobs in this role. Although it is usually omitted from his production credits, presumably because EMI refused to release it at the time. Apparently it was his 'working with the Goons' stories that most impressed The Beatles about him at their first meeting!
                        George Martin produced singles by Peter Sellers, who had a solo record deal with Parlophone but as The Goons were on Decca I wouldn't have thought he would be their producer?

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                        • Yeah Splodj was right there Robbie, apparently George Martin did produce The Goons Unchained Melody according to Discogs.
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                          • After EMI refused to release 'Unchained Melody' The Goons moved to Decca in protest, although subsequently Martin did produce again with Milligan and Sellers.

                            The issue was further complicated by Secombe having a contract with Philips which meant he could only contribute speaking parts on Goons records. A pity because he would have been perfect for the Ying Tong Song tenor.

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                            • Greetings Pop Pickers

                              Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 30th 1956

                              Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 30th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                              1 1 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 1 1 1 4350
                              2 2 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 2 2 3 4145
                              3 3 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 3 6 2 4060
                              6 4 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 5 3 4 3870
                              5 5 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 4 5 6 3775
                              4 6 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 4 5 3725
                              7 7 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 9 7 7 3350
                              8 8 My September Love - David Whitfield 7 13 9 3240
                              14 9 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 8 10 13 2995
                              10 10 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 10 8 12 2965
                              9 11 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 12 12 11 2815
                              NEW 12 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 16 15 8 2675
                              12 13 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday (A) 14 16 15 2365
                              NEW 14 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 18 9 18 2065
                              15 15 Gal With The Yaller Shoes - Michael Holliday (B) 19 10 2040
                              11 16 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 17 14 19 1970
                              NEW 17 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 20 20 17 1775
                              19 18 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 10 11 1765
                              NEW 19 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 22 15 1545
                              NEW 20 Portuguese Washerwoman - Joe 'Fingers' Carr 25 19 1110
                              13 21 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 15 1040
                              20 22 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 24 17 735
                              NEW 23 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 20 715
                              16 24 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 23 520
                              17 25 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 28 19 435
                              27 26 Serenade - Slim Whitman 25 390
                              18 27 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 30 18 325
                              21 28 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 27 260
                              NEW 29 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 29 130
                              NEW 30 I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons 30 65
                              Songs For Swingin' Lovers (LP) - Frank Sinatra 13 13 2250
                              22 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell
                              23 Only You - The Hilltoppers
                              24 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong
                              25 The Happy Whistler - Cyril Stapleton
                              26 Hot Diggity - The Stargazers
                              28 Rich Man Poor Man - Jimmy Young
                              29 Ivory Tower - The Three Kayes
                              30 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King
                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                              • Ooh and the Goons appear as if by magic maybe not magic but they still appear. Some of that was sheer brilliance. Some (to me listening in the 1990’s for the first time) was odd and strange and not funny at all…
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                                • Agree with that assessment of The Goons. You can hear though that the audience at the time thought all of it was funny! In fact the show often starts with the audience laughing, presumably at something visual. Most of my knowledge of the songs in this era comes from the two musical items in each of their shows.

                                  Must be the only Christmas record to have been released in summer.

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                                  • I think some is changing acceptability. SOme of their characters are absolutely not correct today (Same with Little Britain and others) but we all know an Eccles. I’ve worked with some…. And we all know a Ned Seagoon…. And I think that is what makes it work. The war was still fresh and Spike was dealing with that and being ex service men writing for ex servicemen the jokes where ones they knew. And also horribly rude if you know the story behind it…
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                                    Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                    • Yes the way that 'publicity stunt' line is delivered infers the original lyric was something ruder rhyming with 'front'!

                                      Spike justified the release date by saying it was for his mum who lived in Australia where it was the middle of winter, which is itself absurd on many levels.

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                                      • Agree here too. There were parts of each record that were really funny but other sections make me go, what was that all about.
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                        • The Goons record has 25 most owns as a 45 and 25 as a 78 on the 45Cat & Worlds site. Which is very good for a 50's record there.
                                          Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                          • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 7th 1956

                                            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July7th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                            Week Week The Top 29 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                            1 1 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 1 1 1 4350
                                            3 2 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 2 3 2 4185
                                            2 3 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 3 2 4 4020
                                            12 4 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 4 6 3 3935
                                            6 5 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 5 4 6 3730
                                            4 6 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 7 5 5 3640
                                            5 7 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 8 8 10 3215
                                            18 8 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 10 14 8 3085
                                            8 9 My September Love - David Whitfield 9 15 11 2950
                                            30 10 I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons (B) 6 9 18 2845
                                            17 11 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 16 7 9 2775
                                            14 12 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 15 11 12 2580
                                            19 13 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 13 18 13 2510
                                            11 14 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 11 13 17 2500
                                            10 15 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 17 12 14 2310
                                            7 16 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 17 10 15 2290
                                            NEW 17 Bluebottle Blues - The Goons (A) 17 7 1720
                                            NEW 18 Skiffle Session (EP) - Lonnie Donegan 20 20 1375
                                            9 19 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 14 1105
                                            21 20 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 22 19 825
                                            13 21 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday (A) 19 780
                                            16 22 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 24 15 775
                                            20 23 Portuguese Washerwoman - Joe 'Fingers' Carr 20 715
                                            23 24 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 23 520
                                            26 25 Serenade - Slim Whitman 27 19 500
                                            24 26 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 25 390
                                            NEW 27 The Faithful Hussar - Ted Heath 28 195
                                            27 28 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 29 130
                                            29 29 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 30 65
                                            Songs For Swingin' Lovers (LP) - Frank Sinatra 12 16 2135
                                            Carousel Soundtrack (LP) 26 20 985
                                            15 Gal With The Yaller Shoes - Michael Holliday (B)
                                            22 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr
                                            25 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May
                                            28 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell
                                            * RM omitted a #19 this week but two records at #20. As this was what the chart said I have gone with this option.
                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                            • The Goons single has effectively been flipped with the B side storming ahead of the A side.

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                                              • I take it that the policy is to leave LP's out of the top 30?
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                                                • kingofskiffle
                                                  kingofskiffle commented
                                                  Editing a comment
                                                  Yes, as the plan was to create. singles chart - RM remove LP's in a few weeks, so points build only go for one (NME).

                                              • NEW 18 Skiffle Session (EP) - Lonnie Donegan - 20 in RM.

                                                Did RM not have a separate EP chart at this time?

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                                                • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                                                  NEW 18 Skiffle Session (EP) - Lonnie Donegan - 20 in RM.

                                                  Did RM not have a separate EP chart at this time?
                                                  I don't think RM ever had an EP chart of their own? They listed the RR one in 1962-67 but that was when they took the RR charts after they stopped compiling their own.
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                                                  Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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