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  • Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 14th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 14th 1956 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 1 1 1 4350
    4 2 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 2 3 2 4185
    10 3 Bluebottle Blues / I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons * 4 3 3985
    13 4 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 5 2 4 3890
    3 5 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 3 4 6 3860
    8 6 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 7 6 5 3620
    6 7 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 6 5 9 3465
    2 8 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 7 9 7 3440
    11 9 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 9 7 10 3170
    5 10 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 13 8 8 3010
    12 11 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 11 12 13 2760
    9 12 My September Love - David Whitfield 10 20 15 2545
    29 13 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 12 15 17 2395
    14 14 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 18 14 12 2325
    7 15 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 14 18 16 2265
    15 16 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 19 11 14 2200
    NEW 17 Bad Penny Blues - Humphrey Lyttelton 21 19 1370
    16 18 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 15 16 1340
    19 19 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 17 17 1190
    23 20 Portuguese Washerwoman - Joe 'Fingers' Carr 26 20 985
    24 21 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 28 18 975
    NEW 22 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 20 715
    NEW 23 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 21 650
    27 24 The Faithful Hussar - Ted Heath 23 520
    21 25 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday 24 455
    NEW 26 Kiss Me Another - Georgia Gibbs 25 390
    18 27 Skiffle Session (EP) - Lonnie Donegan 27 260
    25 28 Serenade - Slim Whitman 19 240
    NEW 29 The Faithful Hussar - Louis Armstrong 29 130
    NEW 30 The Birds And The Bees - Alma Cogan 30 65
    Bluebottle Blues - The Goons (A) 13
    I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons (B) 9
    Songs For Swingin' Lovers (LP) - Frank Sinatra 16 11 2175
    17 Bluebottle Blues - The Goons
    20 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson
    22 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins
    26 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme
    28 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves
    * An explanation. Strangely this week NME combined the sides of this single against normal practise of splitting sides. To compound this RM appear to have done the same with Bluebottle Blues taking a top three placing and I'm Walking Backwards vanishing from their chart. Only MM appears to have split the sides. So MM split sides have been ignored and an average of 3.5 awarded to MM from an average taken from NME and RM to validate a more likely overall chart position, as both NME and RM have gone with combined sides. This will be the formula I will use going forward for all similar situations like this where there is division between splitting and non split sides on the various charts.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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    • Seems that there was a debate going on about whether to combine the sides - or maybe just confusion! Perhaps NME were starting to think they should only separate double A sides, or perhaps it was reported to them that most people were simply asking for "that Goons record please".

      With the subsequent success of the Ying Tong Song, most notably its climb back up the chart in 1973, it is difficult to believe that it was also a B-side when originally released.

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      • As with the Beatles, I suspect enough retailers simply listed as both sides. If your inputs are both sides you can’t split them .
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        Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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        • Why humiliate yourself by quoting a ridiculous Goons song title when you can quickly ask for it generically and discretely slip it into your suitcase!

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          • If the early RM Dealer Returns were anything to go by, a nightmare for a chart compiler as I found out doing the 1954/1955 charts, then I can't imagine NME's were any better to work with. Some dealers combining sides, some not, and some combining versions even. So I can understand the difficulties for the papers too.
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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            • I'd imagine that regular ones could be trained in how to send the data in, but then the holiday relief might mess it up.... Getting good clean data is always an issue - hence why the compilers loved Bar codes in the 1980's/90's Well, when they wherenot trying to get cornflakes into the chart
              http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
              Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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              • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                RR started compiling the first EP chart on 12th March 1960 with the first #1 EP being Cliff with the Expresso Bongo EP. Yeah RM started printing this EP chart also in 1962 alongside the RR chart.
                Melody Maker began compiling an EP chart on 21 Nov 1959, a Top 10 chart. Which ran till 25 May 1963. My notes say these charts are posted in a thread here on UKMix. And the MM EP charts prior to the RR EP charts also appear in the Complete UK Charts thread on page 30.

                Which brings up an interesting question. The 'official' charts declared official charts prior to RR for singles and LPs, but they didn't do so for EPs. Why not? Why not declare the MM EP charts prior to RR as 'official' as well? The RM and MM LP charts were declared 'official' prior to RR, so there shouldn't be a problem with them being MM EP charts. Whadaya say Graham Betts?

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                • Possibly because it's only an extra 5 months. Other charts (with one exception!) are for multiple years. The exception is the strike charts in 1971.
                  http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                  Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                  • History is history, KoS, you know you want the early MM EP charts included as 'official', ha.

                    I found the thread for the below EP info, titled "Record Retailer/Record Mirror #1 EP's List":

                    https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...or-1-ep-s-list

                    This has:
                    --the RR/RM #1 EPs 1960-67 (thanks Mario)
                    --the MM Top 10 EP charts 1959-63 (thanks Alan Smith)
                    --the Pop Weekly Top 5 EP charts Sep-Nov 1965 (Alan)
                    --and the Music Echo Top 20 to Top 10 EP charts, Nov 1965 - April 1966 (Alan)

                    History is history !!

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                    • Humphrey Lyttelton scores his only chart entry. Lyttleton would join BBC Radio 2 from when it started broadcating in 1967, hosting the weekly jazz programme. He presented "The Best Of Jazz" until 2007. He was also host of the BBC Radio 4 comedy panel show "I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue" from 1972 until shortly before his death in April 2008. Lyttleton was the second future BBC Radio 2 host to chart in 1956. Jimmy Young, a chart regular in this period, would also become a future Radio 2 host after a spell on both the Light Programme and a 6 year run on Radio 1 from when the station first came on air until 1973.

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                      • I have just been trying out something different for the Ultimate Averaged Chart as an experiment. I believe Robin actually suggested it at some point and I thought I would give it a go to see how it worked out and surprisingly the outcome was positive I believe.

                        This related to the last chart for 1956, the 29th December when only NME compiled a chart. So, to provide an Ultimate Averaged Chart for that week I used the chart positions for MM and RM to find a midway point between their chart positions of 22nd December and 5th January 1957. These were then factored in to the Ultimate Averaged Chart. You will see the end result in due course and I will be interested to hear your views on this when you see the result.
                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                        • Very interesting Brian.

                          It'd also be interesting to compare a midpoint NME chart of (Dec 22 and Jan 5) against the actual NME chart of Dec 29. And compare both of those against the MM and RM midpoint charts for Dec 29.

                          I recall someone saying that they read where the diary returns of a skipped no-chart week were sometimes included in the following week chart, so this following week chart could sometimes include mixed data over 2 weeks. Thus it might also be interesting to see which NME chart the Jan 5 MM and RM charts are closer to, the NME Jan 5 chart, or a combined NME (Dec 29 + Jan 5) chart.

                          Math is fun !!

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                          • Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View Post
                            Which brings up an interesting question. The 'official' charts declared official charts prior to RR for singles and LPs, but they didn't do so for EPs. Why not? Why not declare the MM EP charts prior to RR as 'official' as well?
                            Hang on, as far as I know the RR EP charts themselves have never been declared 'official'. They are not on the OCC website. As I've said before, this means that they've excluded the 5th biggest selling record of 1963 (Beatles 'Twist and Shout' EP).

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                            • They are official. They have been in the Hits Of The 60's Guiness book in 1980odd and also in the Virgin Book of Singles 2 (2009) and the 1960's Graham Betts book. So they are indeed official. And they have been in the Complete Book Of British Charts as well. Don;t trust the OCC website.....
                              http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                              Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                              • I must have misunderstood the definition of 'official'.

                                It was a bit unsporting of Music Echo not to have at least a Top 50 for their EPs!

                                I expect the Pop Weekly EP chart was the previous week's RR chart tweaked just enough to avoid legal action, if their composite singles chart is anything to go by.

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                                • 'official' means "official according to the 'official' charts co". It does not mean "according to actual UK chart history", or something called "truth". For the truth-mongers amongst us, 'official' began in Feb 1969. Or, there is "subjective" truth, and there is "objective" truth. But I digress, ha...

                                  What I wanna know is: who is the 'official' fish n chips company of the UK, and can they prove it? I'm getting hungry...

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                                  • They can't have a very good copyright protection for the name if the main competitor is called 'The Official Big Top 40'.

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                                    • Actually, you can not stop people from using the word official in their title. for example, I am the Official KingOfSkiffle poster. That is something that I can say and I could (c) that. What they can not do is call their chart the Official Chart or variations thereof. They are being naughty, but under (c) law they are fine.
                                      http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                                      Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                      • I always call them the "Offal" Chart Company, because that's what they serve up!

                                        In some cases you can be blocked from using your own real name! There was a Astrology on YouTube, who was using her real name, but there was a well known singer who had the same name. The singer took her to court and stopped her using her own name! Presumably the singer objected because of the astrology thing.
                                        Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                        • Steady on Graham; sounds harsh on a nice bit of liver and onions to me!

                                          I wondered about how they get away with saying "official big top 40", but assumed it either wasn't in breach of (C) law or an external agreement had been reached between OCC and whoever now compiles the Big Top 40 (assuming it's not themselves anymore!) to allow use of the term, however conflicting it sounds to uninitiated listeners. I am guessing OCC would be pretty litigious, given the way they've acted in the past over some posters on the web daring to use their chart data without permission, so the safer bet had to be that they couldn't realistically litigate against use of the term "official" by chart competitors, as Lonnie says above. Perhaps it's because they use the word "big" in between that and "top 40" that is enough to distinguish and protect it from challenge via the courts, although that feels a tad tenuous to me, especially in the light of the tale above about someone being forced by law to remove their own name from YouTube posts! They do seem very careful never to describe the ILR chart as "the official chart", but do escape with "officially the UK's biggest song" or what have you, which surely is a step too far (at least when it differs from the No 1 on the OCC chart)? I suppose the terms "big" and "biggest" are suitably nebulous and could mean a range of different measures, although when one looks at the current wording for the OCC's Top 100 singles chart it also uses the expression "biggest songs" as "best-selling" no longer covers it, so it's a convenient shorthand for saying "most sold and streamed in combination on a ratio of 100 streams to 1 sale or 600 to 1 if it's non-subscription, and double those for songs in decline against the average market after nine weeks charted (oh, and the song is one of an artist's top three most-consumed tracks that week)"!!!

                                          Anyway; off-topic now chaps sorry. Let's get back to the relative simplicity of the 1950s...

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                                          • kingofskiffle
                                            kingofskiffle commented
                                            Editing a comment
                                            Big 40 is iTunes sales only (I think) and does not (I think) include streams. It is compiled by iTunes as when I get sent it for CP work it’s got iTunes codes instead of ISRC and they are always iTunes versions.

                                        • A Wiki article says the Official Big Top 40 is based on (a) iTunes downloads, (b) Apple Music streaming, and (c) radio airplay from the stations that broadcast the show.

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                                          • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 21st 1956

                                            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 21st 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                            Week Week The Top 29 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                            4 1 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 1 1 1 4350
                                            1 2 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 2 2 3 4145
                                            2 3 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 3 3 2 4120
                                            3 4 Bluebottle Blues / I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons 5 4 3840
                                            5 5 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 4 4 6 3795
                                            6 6 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 7 8 5 3580
                                            7 7 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 6 6 9 3445
                                            9 8 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 9 9 8 3250
                                            23 9 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 7 5 12 3220
                                            8 10 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 10 19 7 3045
                                            11 11 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 12 7 9 3035
                                            13 12 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 10 12 15 2705
                                            21 13 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 12 16 14 2555
                                            10 14 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 17 16 11 2410
                                            14 15 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 14 13 16 2365
                                            18 16 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 18 13 18 1985
                                            17 17 Bad Penny Blues - Humphrey Lyttelton 19 17 1620
                                            22 18 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 21 19 1370
                                            12 19 My September Love - David Whitfield 16 16 1275
                                            25 20 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday 29 15 20 1110
                                            NEW 21 Left Bank - Winifred Atwell 20 715
                                            20 22 Portuguese Washerwoman - Joe 'Fingers' Carr 24 19 695
                                            19 23 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 21 650
                                            15 24 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 23 520
                                            NEW 25 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley 25 390
                                            24 26 The Faithful Hussar - Ted Heath 26 325
                                            29 27 The Faithful Hussar - Louis Armstrong 27 260
                                            30 28 The Birds And The Bees - Alma Cogan 28 195
                                            NEW 29 Be-Bop-A-Lula - Gene Vincent 30 65
                                            I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons (B) 10
                                            Bluebottle Blues - The Goons (A) 11
                                            Songs For Swingin' Lovers (LP) - Frank Sinatra 15 13 2120
                                            16 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley
                                            26 Kiss Me Another - Georgia Gibbs
                                            27 Skiffle Session (EP) - Lonnie Donegan
                                            28 Serenade - Slim Whitman
                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                            • An interesting week !

                                              After Rock Around The Clock Frankie Lymon etc gives us the second rock'n'roll #1.

                                              Again, as with Blue Suede Shoes The Wayward Wind would have been a bigger record but with Gogi Grant and Tex Ritter both running almost neck and neck they cancelled each other out, but for me Gogi Grant's is THE version.

                                              After a slow start Doris Day is now gaining momentum, perhaps the wider distribution of the movie it is from is helping the upward surge in the chart as it will eventually elbow The Teenagers aside.

                                              Tony Martin leaps into the top ten. It was two decades later before I actually heard this record when it was played on a certain now 'named and shamed' DJ's Sunday 'Old Record Club' and I actually liked it a lot and sought it out.

                                              Yeah as Gambo said above 'Let's get back to the relative simplicity of the 1950s...', unless you are compiling them
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                              • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                                                Humphrey Lyttelton scores his only chart entry.
                                                Also significant for being the first UK jazz record to chart, and the first record Joe Meek worked on. He brought to the fore and compressed the piano sound, which was similar to the piano on Lady Madonna - the lyrics of which have been compared witn 'Blue Monday' also released in 56.

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                                                • Alan 'Fluff' Freeman, best DJ ever in my opinion ranked Humphrey Lyttelton's Bad Penny Blues as one of his favourite records of all time along with Martha Reeves and The Vandellas' Dancing In The Street. For me of course The Vandellas was the better of the two lol.

                                                  All together now 'Calling out around the world are you ready for a brand new beat' Oh Yeah !!
                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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