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  • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
    Stan Freberg was huge in America. Have a listen to All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth.
    For me the best parody of All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth was Spike Jones and His City Slickers who had US number one with it over Christmas 1948. It really is very good.
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    • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post

      he also did a parody of the cop shows at the time I liked - Saint George and the Dragnet I believe although I might have the title wrong.
      Whitburn has it as "St. George And The Dragonet". Fun record.

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      • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
        the Goon credits are always fun. And yes I think thats about right.
        I am sure Monsieur Tibbs will be able to fit in all the words when the record appears!

        In the USA these novelty records were played by Dr Demento in his networked radio show. He also lent his name to compilation albums; some were released over here although noone knew who he was. I remember a Best Of album; the Spike Jones track on there was 'Do you want to buy a bunny?'.

        If you have an internet radio you can still hear his show, other novelty record stations - and even a 24 hour Goons station.

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        • Greetings Pop Pickers

          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 4th 1956

          Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 4th 1956 NME MM RM Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 1 1 1 4350
          6 2 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 2 5 2 4145
          5 3 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 3 2 5 3960
          14 4 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 5 3 3 3930
          2 5 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 4 4 4 3915
          17 6 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 9 11 7 3270
          4 7 Hearbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 6 6 12 3265
          10 8 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 8 10 9 3235
          7 9 Bluebottle Blues / I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons 10 13 6 3225
          11 10 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 6 8 13 3165
          3 11 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 13 7 8 3030
          13 12 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 12 9 11 2875
          12 13 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 14 19 10 2605
          9 14 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 15 13 14 2420
          8 15 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 10 12 20 2405
          23 16 Serenade - Slim Whitman 18 16 15 2105
          19 17 Walk Hand In Hand - Ronnie Carroll 19 17 18 1840
          28 18 The Faithful Hussar - Ted Heath 20 17 1555
          15 19 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 21 16 1550
          25 20 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 16 15 1295
          21 21 Left Bank - Winifred Atwell 17 910
          16 22 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 22 17 865
          NEW 23 Walk Hand In Hand - Jimmy Parkinson 19 720
          RE 24 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley 23 520
          RE 25 Carousel Waltz - Ray Martin 24 455
          RE 26 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday 25 390
          20 27 My September Love - David Whitfield 27 260
          24 28 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 19 240
          18 29 Bad Penny Blues - Humphrey Lyttleton 28 195
          27 30 The Birds And The Bees - Alma Cogan 29 130
          30 Long Tall Sally - Pat Boone 30 65
          Songs For Swingin' Lovers (LP) - Frank Sinatra 26 325
          22 Be-Bop-A-Lula - Gene Vincent
          26 Rock Island Line / Heartbreak Hotel - Stan Freberg
          29 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley
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          • After floating around for weeks, then leaving the chart, re-entering last week Mel Torme suddenly takes a JUMP right into the middle of the top ten.
            Similarly after starting slowly Slim Whitman's Serenade is now also making waves too.
            As Tony Martin goes top three another two versions by Ronnie Carroll and Jimmy Parkinson are charting too.
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            • Originally posted by Splodj View Post

              I am sure Monsieur Tibbs will be able to fit in all the words when the record appears!

              In the USA these novelty records were played by Dr Demento in his networked radio show. He also lent his name to compilation albums; some were released over here although noone knew who he was. I remember a Best Of album; the Spike Jones track on there was 'Do you want to buy a bunny?'.

              If you have an internet radio you can still hear his show, other novelty record stations - and even a 24 hour Goons station.
              I remember Dr Demento from a show he hosted on AFN (American Forces Network) Europe in the late 1970s. He played a number of weird records, or at least that's how they sounded at the time to the young me. If I recall his show was on at 9pm on weekday nights with Wolfman Jack on an hour earlier at 8pm. It was the first time I'd heard of either DJ. I've just checked and Dr Demento is still around and is 80 year old.

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              • A very strange chart run by Mel Torme.

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                • Truly horrendous "cover" versions. What were people in 1956 thinking of?

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                  • You missed out the chart position for the Frank Sinatra LP presumably 26?

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                    • Oops. Thanks brain. Sorted.
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                      • Greetings Pop Pickers

                        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 11th 1956

                        Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 11th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                        2 1 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 1 1 1 4350
                        1 2 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 3 2 2 4140
                        3 3 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 2 4 4 4045
                        4 4 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 5 3 3 3930
                        6 5 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 4 6 5 3815
                        5 6 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 7 5 6 3580
                        7 7 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 6 8 9 3405
                        11 8 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 8 8 7 3395
                        8 9 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 10 11 8 3145
                        10 10 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 9 7 12 3050
                        12 11 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 11 12 10 2940
                        9 12 Bluebottle Blues / I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons 13 13 16 2430
                        13 13 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 19 10 11 2400
                        17 14 Walk Hand In Hand - Ronnie Carroll 16 15 13 2375
                        14 15 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 12 16 20 2195
                        15 16 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 15 17 1880
                        18 17 The Faithful Hussar - Ted Heath 18 15 1805
                        26 18 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday 17 14 1250
                        NEW 19 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - Alma Cogan (A) 22 20 1245
                        19 20 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 25 17 1230
                        21 21 Left Bank - Winifred Atwell 14 1105
                        16 22 Serenade - Slim Whitman 30 14 1085
                        24 23 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley 23 16 820
                        RE 24 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 19 720
                        27 25 My September Love - David Whitfield 20 715
                        22 26 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 21 650
                        RE 27 Only You - The Hilltoppers 24 455
                        25 28 Carousel Waltz - Ray Martin 28 19 435
                        20 29 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 26 325
                        29 30 Bad Penny Blues - Humphrey Lyttleton 27 260
                        Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 18 260
                        Donkey Cart - Frank Chacksfield 19 240
                        Rock Island Line / Heartbreak Hotel - Stan Freberg 29 130
                        Long Tall Sally - Pat Boone 30 65
                        23 Walk Hand In Hand - Jimmy Parkinson
                        28 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer
                        30 The Birds And The Bees - Alma Cogan (B)
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                        • Anyone know what triggered 'Only You' to return? It's been absent for 6 weeks.

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                          • It could very well be a supply issue of the record into stores....
                            http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                            Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                            • The bottom end of the NME chart often had re-entries including past hits that left the chart weeks before. All it would take I think is for a couple of dealer returns to place it high for some reason and this would be reflected. RM and MM often had similar at the bottom end of their chart too.
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                              • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                The bottom end of the NME chart often had re-entries including past hits that left the chart weeks before. All it would take I think is for a couple of dealer returns to place it high for some reason and this would be reflected. RM and MM often had similar at the bottom end of their chart too.
                                Did shops have "bargain bins" in those days, where records dropping off the charts were sold off cheap or was that something that came years later? If records were sold off cheap and picked up a few sales, the low level of dealer returns could mean that it would only take a small handful of dealers doing this to lead to a record recharting.

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                                • On that I honestly don't know about the fifties or early sixties Robbie as it was a decade and a bit later before I was regularly buying records but I can remember my local record shops selling off overstocked chart or non charting singles in boxes on the counter cheaply by the late sixties. I picked up quite a few extra hits that way.
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                                  • It would be a sound business decision if they had the records and could not return them.
                                    http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                                    Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                    • An interesting event, little commented upon and maybe even unnoticed, was happening from 11th August 1956 which had never been achieved before and not even since to date. It was the total domination of a record label to hold the #1 position for a lengthy period consecutively with different artists.
                                      From 11th August the Philips label will have an uninterrupted strangle hold at the top until February 16th 1957.

                                      Doris Day will be followed by Anne Shelton, Frankie Laine, Johnnie Ray, Guy Mitchell and Frankie Vaughan all on Philips, only Tab Hunter will end this total domination by a label on 23rd February with Young Love on London.

                                      A 28 week run for Philips at #1. That's quite a remarkable achievement by any standard.

                                      To pre-empt the inevitable point being raised that Tommy Steele on Decca went to #1 in January 1957 on both NME and RM this was on different weeks and never on MM so would not have been top using any averaging process.
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                                      • EMI was pretty successful in 1963 with Parlophone and Columbia.

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                                        • And Elvis had a re-entry. (in RM only)

                                          RE 24 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley

                                          Maybe a TV appearance or more likely was played on some radio programme (2 way Family Favourites?).

                                          I was going to highlight his movie GI Blues but that didn't happen until 1960 (maybe a very early preview???).

                                          I don't remember any bargain bin until the 1960s.

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                                          • Mr Tibbs, please keep up the good work! It's stunning.

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                                            • Originally posted by membranemusic View Post
                                              Mr Tibbs, please keep up the good work! It's stunning.
                                              No question about it membrane, never fear, this bandwagon will roll on till completion. I'm enjoying this voyage of discovery along with you guys.
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                                              • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                                                And Elvis had a re-entry. (in RM only)

                                                RE 24 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley

                                                Maybe a TV appearance or more likely was played on some radio programme (2 way Family Favourites?).

                                                I was going to highlight his movie GI Blues but that didn't happen until 1960 (maybe a very early preview???).

                                                I don't remember any bargain bin until the 1960s.
                                                There is a site called TV Pop Diaries. I will post the link below and you can check who was on TV for all the decades. I checked both the returning records in question and there was no mention of either act on TV for the few weeks up to the date of the chart.

                                                On the subject of record bargin bins. It wasn't common practice to browse for records at all in racks. Especially as in the 1950's, the 78 was still strong. Also many record shops were called "record dealers" because like car dealers they could only stock certain makes, or in this case labels. So you could only buy an HMV record from an HMV shop or at least one that was allowed the dealership title.
                                                HMV dealers were also not allowed to sell Pye Records, for example. So if you didn't get the right amount of dealers right, when compiling the chart, you could finish up with some labels dominating the chart. I don't know if they took that into account, but if you had more "EMI" labels in you chart, it could be due to the fact there were more EMI dealers in the survey. Bad luck if you were on the other labels!

                                                http://www.tvpopdiaries.co.uk/index.html
                                                Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                                • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                                  Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 18th 1956

                                                  Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 18th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                                  1 1 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 1 2 1 4330
                                                  2 2 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 2 1 2 4225
                                                  4 3 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 3 3 3 4060
                                                  3 4 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 4 4 5 3855
                                                  5 5 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 5 5 4 3830
                                                  6 6 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 6 6 6 3625
                                                  9 7 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 8 9 8 3315
                                                  NEW 8 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 9 9 7 3310
                                                  7 9 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 7 7 13 3120
                                                  11 10 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 10 11 9 3085
                                                  8 11 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 11 8 9 3080
                                                  13 12 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 13 17 11 2650
                                                  14 13 Walk Hand In Hand - Ronnie Carroll 15 13 12 2540
                                                  10 14 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 14 12 16 2385
                                                  22 15 Serenade - Slim Whitman 18 13 14 2225
                                                  15 16 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 16 15 1935
                                                  23 17 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley 20 15 20 1695
                                                  19 18 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - Alma Cogan 23 19 1240
                                                  12 19 Bluebottle Blues / I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons 12 1235
                                                  RE 20 Walk Hand In Hand - Jimmy Parkinson 30 19 18 1085
                                                  NEW 21 I Almost Lost My Mind - Pat Boone 17 910
                                                  16 22 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 22 16 885
                                                  17 23 The Faithful Hussar - Ted Heath 18 845
                                                  RE 24 Be-Bop-A-Lula - Gene Vincent 17 840
                                                  21 25 Left Bank - Winifred Atwell 20 715
                                                  24 26 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 27 17 540
                                                  NEW 27 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 24 455
                                                  18 28 Hot Diggity / Gal With The Yaller Shoes - Michael Holliday 25 390
                                                  25 29 My September Love - David Whitfield 26 325
                                                  RE 30 Long Tall Sally - Pat Boone 19 240
                                                  30 Bad Penny Blues - Humphrey Lyttleton 28 195
                                                  20 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 29 130
                                                  26 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff
                                                  27 Only You - The Hilltoppers
                                                  28 Carousel Waltz - Ray Martin
                                                  29 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole
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                                                  • Bill Haley's bandwagon continues to steamroller ahead big time, as Saints re-enters the top ten Rocking Through The Rye smashes straight in at #8 as the 'Rock Era' starts to take hold.

                                                    Despite this though the crooner challenge is far from over. Between now and the start of 1957 artists generally associated with hits from the early fifties who haven't made a chart impact for some time will suddenly re-emerge with not only big hits, but #1 hits. Who would have thought a few weeks earlier that Doris Day, Anne Shelton, Frankie Laine, Johnnie Ray and Guy Mitchell would swoop back at this time and conquer all before them. To further rub salt in the 'Rock' wound Both Ray and Mitchell would adapt and have further hits including #1 hits in 1957.
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