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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    It missed out first time around in 1964 but Martha Reeves and The Vandellas didn't miss on re-issue in 1969. Right On !

    There are are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 25th 1969.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 25th 1969 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Marmalade 1 2 1 1 15850
    2 2 Albatross - Fleetwood Mac 2 1 2 2 15715
    6 3 For Once In My Life - Stevie Wonder 3 3 3 3 14980
    5 4 Something's Happening - Herman's Hermits 4= 4 4 7 14190
    3 5 Lily The Pink - The Scaffold 4= 6 5 4 13795
    4 6 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 6 5 6 6 13575
    9 7 Private Number - William Bell and Judy Clay 7 7 7 8 12755
    19 8 Blackberry Way - The Move 8 8 10 5 12060
    7 9 Sabre Dance - Love Sculpture 9= 10 8 11 11650
    8 10 I'm The Urban Spaceman - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 9= 11 9 9 11370
    12 11 Fox On The Run - Manfred Mann 11 9 11 10 11185
    11 12 Son Of A Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield 12 13 12 13 9880
    16 13 Stop Her On Sight (SOS) - Edwin Starr 13 14 15 12 9015
    23 14 You Got Soul - Johnny Nash 14= 12 16 15 8910
    10 15 Ain't Got No..I Got Life - Nina Simone 14= 15 14 14 8895
    14 16 Love Child - Diana Ross and The Supremes 16 16 13 16 8775
    15 17 A Minute Of Your Time - Tom Jones 17 17 18 18 7155
    13 18 One Two Three O'Leary - Des O'Connor 18 22 17 17 6490
    24 19 Please Don't Go - Donald Peers 19 21 19 23 5680
    21 20 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Bedrocks 22= 17 24 4550
    30 21 Hey Jude - Wilson Pickett 24= 24 21 29 4070
    NEW 22 Dancing In The Street - Martha Reeves and The Vandellas 20 20 27 21 4050
    17 23 I'm A Tiger - Lulu 21 30 20 20 3885
    29 24 I Guess I'll Always Love You - The Isley Brothers 24= 19 28 27 3490
    20 25 The Good The Bad And The Ugly - Hugo Montenegro 22= 22 19 3270
    26 26 Quick Joey Small - The Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus 26 25 26 24 3045
    NEW 27 To Love Somebody - Nina Simone 27 28 25 25 2610
    18 28 Race With The Devil - The Gun 29 23 26 2425
    NEW 29 Going Up Country - Canned Heat 28 27 30 22 1815
    NEW 30 Soul Limbo - Booker T. and The MG's 30 23 1600
    On Mother Kelly's Doorstep - Danny La Rue 26 1000
    Mrs Robinson (EP) - Simon and Garfunkel 29 30 585
    Love Story - Jethro Tull 29 400
    May I Have The Next Dream With You - Malcolm Roberts 28 255
    I'll Pick A Rose For My Rose - Marv Johnson 30 200

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah Gambo that would actually explain it, the timing of the discontinuation of the EP chart. Imagine if that chart had continued for just a few months more then Magical Mystery Tour wouldn't have qualified for the singles chart.

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  • Gambo
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    I always assumed that a few EPs began registering in the main RR Top 50 singles charts from December 1967 because they took the decision to discontinue the separate EP chart (the final edition was W/E 16 December). Rather than disallow EPs to feature at all, they conceded to permit them into the singles listing if their sales returns racked up enough points to make the cut, albeit that very few were selling sufficiently by then to outsell the average typical 45s. Only a major force such as The Beatles would still have the commercial might across all formats to achieve a notable chart placing with an EP, which of course they did with 'Magical Mystery Tour'.

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  • MrTibbs
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    No Brian, back at the end of 1967 The Beatles made the RR singles chart peaking at #2 with the Magical Mystery Tour Double EP. Somewhere along the way, obviously late in the decade they made a policy change. Odd, to do it then when EP's were in the twilight of their existence.

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  • brian05
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    Mrs Robinson (EP) - Simon and Garfunkel
    Is this the first EP to make the RR singles chart?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Just 3 more charts after this one and we're away back to 1960. A different beast entirely !

    There are are 11 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 18th 1969.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 18th 1969 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Marmalade 1 1 1 1 16050
    5 2 Albatross - Fleetwood Mac 2 2 2 2 15515
    2 3 Lily The Pink - The Scaffold 3 3 3 4 14895
    3 4 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 4 4 4 3 14530
    8 5 Something's Happening - Herman's Hermits 5 5 6 6 13575
    12 6 For Once In My Life - Stevie Wonder 6 6 7 5 13210
    6 7 Sabre Dance - Love Sculpture 7 8 5 8 13055
    4 8 I'm The Urban Spaceman - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 8 7 8 7 12590
    11 9 Private Number - William Bell and Judy Clay 9 9 9 10 11685
    7 10 Ain't Got No..I Got Life - Nina Simone 10 12 10 9 10920
    10 11 Son Of A Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield 11 10 11 11 10900
    21 12 Fox On The Run - Manfred Mann 12 13 13 12 9715
    9 13 One Two Three O'Leary - Des O'Connor 13 14 12 14 9595
    17 14 Love Child - Diana Ross and The Supremes 14 11 14 17 9440
    15 15 A Minute Of Your Time - Tom Jones 16 18 15 20 7535
    20 16 Stop Her On Sight (SOS) - Edwin Starr 15 15 19 16 7475
    14 17 I'm A Tiger - Lulu 17 19 17 18 7005
    13 18 Race With The Devil - The Gun 18= 20 16 19 6970
    NEW 19 Blackberry Way - The Move 18= 20 22 13 5980
    16 20 The Good The Bad And The Ugly - Hugo Montenegro 20 25 18 15 5810
    19 21 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Bedrocks 23 17 21 26 5725
    18 22 May I Have The Next Dream With You - Malcolm Roberts 21 22 20 21 5400
    27 23 You Got Soul - Johnny Nash 22 16 25 23 5180
    26 24 Please Don't Go - Donald Peers 24 23 23 25 4110
    24 25 Don't Forget To Catch Me - Cliff Richard 25 24 24 3150
    30 26 Quick Joey Small - The Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus 26= 27 26 28 2305
    22 27 Harper Valley P.T.A. - Jeannie C. Riley 26= 28 22 1515
    23 28 Breaking Down The Walls Of Heartache - The Bandwagon 27 1000
    NEW 29 I Guess I'll Always Love You - The Isley Brothers 29= 26 1000
    NEW 30 Hey Jude - Wilson Pickett 29 29 900
    On Mother Kelly's Doorstep - Danny La Rue 28 600
    Going Up The Country - Canned Heat 28 24 595
    This Old Heart Of Mine - The Isley Brothers 29= 30 27 590
    Soul Limbo - Booker T. and the MG's 29 30 485
    Mrs Robinson (EP) - Simon and Garfunkel 29 170

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by Metalweb View Post

    True, and both Marty Wilde and Georgie Fame also got the song into the breakers, the former at the same time as Glen. So sales splitting probably explains the failure of either version to chart properly.
    I don't think the splitting is a good argument. In 1970 Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head gets split like mad, around five versions, but one of them does really well and three make the top 50.
    I would put it down to some bad charts. Or possibly some missing stores that would favour Glen. Record stores don't have the same people buying from them. Probably true with many stores and shops. You could go into one shop and it would sell Country music and another shop on the other side of the road, wouldn't have any Country records.

    Often a good indication of if the charts were playing up is the ownership on 45 Cat. Since they also included a value on rare records it eliminates such records as being "chart". I did a complete survey of all the top 50 records for a year showing the amount of owns of each hit. From this you could work out how much it would take to enter the top 50. And I was able to work out where a record could get to with the points it had. So to make the top 50 you would need at least 12 to 13 owns, by 20 you are up to 30 and to get to the top 75 and over. Though having said that some really big sellers had less than that.
    So on that would Glen miss out? No is the answer with 38 owns. Would put him no higher than 16. Marty Wilde, would though he has only 11.
    Fame's version was released later towards the end of May. At 18 owns it should have entered the 50, but no higher than 42.
    There's also a special issue dated to 1968 only featuring Fame and Simon and Garfunkel. That has 36 owns, but probably never qualified as a chart record.
    It's remarkable too that many records advertised in the music press at the time and given sparkling reviews on the new singles pages have ownerships of 0 to 3 on 45 Cat.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    So here we go .. into 1969

    There are are just 7 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 11th 1969.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 11th 1969 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Marmalade 1 1 1 1 16050
    1 2 Lily The Pink - The Scaffold 2 2 2 3 15430
    2 3 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 3 3 3 2 15065
    6 4 I'm The Urban Spaceman - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 4 4 4 5 14360
    8 5 Albatross - Fleetwood Mac 5 5 5 4 13995
    7 6 Sabre Dance - Love Sculpture 6 6 6 6 13375
    5 7 Ain't Got No..I Got Life - Nina Simone 7 9 7 7 12440
    17 8 Something's Happening - Herman's Hermits 8 7 9 8 12255
    4 9 One Two Three O'Leary - Des O'Connor 9 8 8 13 11880
    14 10 Son Of A Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield 10 12 10 9 10920
    15 11 Private Number - William Bell and Judy Clay 11 10 11 12 10815
    24 12 For Once In My Life - Stevie Wonder 12 11 13 10 10285
    9 13 Race With The Devil - The Gun 13 12 12 14 9995
    12 14 I'm A Tiger - Lulu 14 16 14 11 8950
    13 15 A Minute Of Your Time - Tom Jones 16= 15 16 17 8140
    11 16 The Good The Bad And The Ugly - Hugo Montenegro 16= 18 14 16 8125
    16 17 Love Child - Diana Ross and The Supremes 15 14 18 15 8010
    10 18 May I Have The Next Dream With You - Malcolm Roberts 18 17 17 18 7405
    19 19 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Bedrocks 19= 21 19 24 5595
    25 20 Stop Her On Sight (SOS) - Edwin Starr 19= 20 22 22 5215
    NEW 21 Fox On The Run - Manfred Mann 21 19 25 23 4580
    20 22 Harper Valley P.T.A. - Jeannie C. Riley 22 23 24 21 4200
    18 23 Breaking Down The Walls Of Heartache - The Bandwagon 23 29 20 19 4170
    27 24 Don't Forget To Catch Me - Cliff Richard 24 25 21 26 4125
    23 25 This Old Heart Of Mine - The Isley Brothers 25 23 20 2935
    NEW 26 Please Don't Go - Donald Peers 26 23 28 25 2860
    NEW 27 You Got Soul - Johnny Nash 28 22 1800
    21 28 If I Knew Then What I Know Now - Val Doonican 27 27 29 27 1640
    28 29 Atlantis - Donovan 29 28 27 1600
    29 30 Quick Joey Small - Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus 30= 26 1250
    On Mother Kelly's Doorstep - Danny La Rue 30= 26 1000
    Elenore - The Turtles 30= 29 28 755
    Blackberry Way - The Move 30 29 370
    Love Story - Jethro Tull 30 200
    Going Up Country - Canned Heat 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    Strangely though Robbie, Marmalade will fall back after one week on top and Lily The Pink will return to #1 on RR, while Marmalade will be #1 on NME and MM that week. RR defo got it wrong I think.
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Wed December 2, 2020, 21:35.

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  • Robbie
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    ^
    Record Retailer seem to be very much ahead of the curve for the chart dated 04/01/69. A quicker number 1, higher placed climbers and lower placed fallers.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    So here we go .. into 1969

    There are a massive 17 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 4th 1969.


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 4th 1969 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Lily The Pink - The Scaffold 1 1 1 2 15965
    3 2 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 2 2 2 3 15430
    8 3 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Marmalade 3 3 5 1 14650
    2 4 One Two Three O'Leary - Des O'Connor 4 4 3 8 14355
    4 5 Ain't Got No..I Got Life - Nina Simone 5= 5 4 7 13990
    5 6 I'm The Urban Spaceman - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 5= 6 5 5 13710
    6 7 Sabre Dance - Love Sculpture 7= 7 7 6 12925
    11 8 Albatross - Fleetwood Mac 7= 8 8 4 12645
    10 9 Race With The Devil - The Gun 9 10 9 11 11400
    9 10 May I Have The Next Dream With You - Malcolm Roberts 10 9 10 16 10925
    7 11 The Good The Bad And The Ugly - Hugo Montenegro 11 10 11 15 10560
    12 12 I'm A Tiger - Lulu 12 12 12 13 10080
    13 13 A Minute Of Your Time - Tom Jones 14= 13 13 17 9290
    17 14 Son Of A Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield 13 17 14 9 8920
    15 15 Private Number - William Bell and Judy Clay 14= 14 15 14 8845
    16 16 Love Child - Diana Ross and The Supremes 17 15 16 18 8055
    26 17 Something's Happening - Herman's Hermits 16 16 18 10 8035
    14 18 Breaking Down The Walls Of Heartache - The Bandwagon 18 24 17 19 5920
    21 19 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Bedrocks 19 18 23 20 5535
    19 20 Harper Valley P.T.A. - Jeannie C. Riley 22 20 20 26 5375
    24 21 If I Knew Then What I Know Now - Val Doonican 21 19 22 23 5330
    22 22 Elenore - The Turtles 24 22 21 25 4810
    20 23 This Old Heart Of Mine - The Isley Brothers 23 26 19 22 4765
    NEW 24 For Once In My Life - Stevie Wonder 20 23 28 12 3965
    27 25 Stop Her On Sight (SOS) - Edwin Starr 25 21 25 3500
    18 26 Eloise - Barry Ryan 29= 24 1750
    30 27 Don't Forget To Catch Me - Cliff Richard 26 29 29 21 1750
    29 28 Atlantis - Donovan 27 25 30 28 1705
    25 29 Quick Joey Small - The Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus 28 26 27 1590
    28 30 Those Were The Days - Mary Hopkin 27 29 1170
    I'm In A Different World - The Four Tops 27 800
    On Mother Kelly's Doorstep - Danny La Rue 28 600
    Please Don't go - Donald Peers 29 24 595
    Fox On The Run - Manfred Mann 30 200
    Toy - The Casuals 30 85

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  • Metalweb
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    Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

    In a way it was:
    .
    True, and both Marty Wilde and Georgie Fame also got the song into the breakers, the former at the same time as Glen. So sales splitting probably explains the failure of either version to chart properly.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Something that should have been recorded in 1968: Joe Cocker giving his agonised anxt treatment to 'Yummy Yummy Yummy'!
    Joe's facial expressions and hand gestures as he sang had me totally hooked. Magical performer.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by Metalweb View Post
    It's particularly extraordinary that such a classic, much covered song as "By The Time I Get To Phoenix" was never a hit in this country...
    In a way it was:
    Five weeks on the Breakers list from 27 Jan 1968, peaking in 2nd place
    .

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  • Splodj
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    Something that should have been recorded in 1968: Joe Cocker giving his agonised anxt treatment to 'Yummy Yummy Yummy'!

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  • Metalweb
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    It's particularly extraordinary that such a classic, much covered song as "By The Time I Get To Phoenix" was never a hit in this country...

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  • MrTibbs
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    Before I post the first 6 charts from 1969 taking us to the end of this phase of the project indulge me again with my usual list of criminally ignored records from 1968. If we didn't have a top thirty accommodating below par ballads and some just awful records (Sue Nicholls springs to mind) there would have been space on the chart for these gems that missed out.

    Angel Pavement - Baby You've Got To Stay
    Dusty Springfield - I Will Come To You
    The Lemon Pipers - Rice Is Nice
    Madeline Bell - I'm Gonna Make You Love Me
    The Montanas - You've Got To Be Loved
    The 5th Dimension - Stoned Soul Picnic
    The Flowerpot Men - In A Moment Of Madness
    The Candy Choir - No Grey Skies
    Glen Campbell - By The Time I Get To Phoenix
    Long John Baldry - When The Sun Comes Shining Through
    Nirvana - Rainbow Chaser
    The Rascals - People Got To Be Free

    Just saying lol.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by membranemusic View Post
    Graham: as one who was employed by the music industry for many decades, I am afraid I can refute your suggestion that all sales figures are kept in record company archives indefinitely. Companies are obliged to keep several years of data for accounting, auditing and tax reasons, but as soon as those 6 years are up, out they go to the recycling centre. Reason: it costs money to store stuff which has no commercial value in warehouses. The same would apply to digital back-ups of similar vintage. Sorry!
    Lots of companies and institutions deposit records and documents in national and local archive institutions, costing them nothing. Some things like magazines and books have at least 3 statutory sites which they are required to be send a copy. Hence why places have copies of music magazines. If you are still in contact with any places you worked for, then suggest to them to deposit old records in there local archive office. It will cost them nothing and if there is any sensitive data, they can place an embargo as to when the public will be allowed to see it.
    Stuff can often be deposited from law firms after the collapse of say a record store. Indeed many law firms were fundamental in founding some of the archives and libraries. The big record companies also have their own archives. However it's not perfect and some record companies have thrown out master tapes of artists!
    There's tons of material out there. You only have to watch something like the Antiques Roadshow to see some ex employee of some firm that has rescued materials that went to the skip and is now worth a fortune. It's just finding where it's been placed! And if you can see it!

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by membranemusic View Post
    Mr Tibbs: re your suggestion of a version of the chart without RR, I am personally not keen; not because I am particularly fond of RR, but because one cannot deny its existence throughout the 60s. Far more interesting to include the ‘rogue’ charts like Pop Weekly, Music Now, Cashbox etc, although that water has already passed under the bridge, and I am not suggesting you go back now!
    It wasn't Brian's idea it was mine. Based on the fact that as far as the rest of the world is concerned and due to the people who did the first British Hit Singles Book it has become the "official chart" of the 60's despite the fact it was the least accurate and used the smallest of samples. Had the NME increased the chart to a top a top 50, it's unlikely that the BHSB people would have switched from the NME top 30 to the RR. At least not until 1969 when an actual sales based chart was done. Had Melody Maker also not chopped its chart down, it might have replaced the NME and the RR charts in the book. Or if they had found the 31 to 50 part of the charts for 1967, as some people have indeed located some later years of it, then again the larger sample of the Melody Maker might have become "official".

    I did suggest to Brian that only the top ten of the chart (without RR) would do as the top ten is the part that really counts. Removing RR will remove it's slow nature and faults. And should give a better picture of the top selling records of the 60's.
    In anycase Brian has already done the charts with RR, so we would have both as a comparison.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    This is a first for you guys because just like at the end of 1967 MM and the BBC did not compile a chart for this week so The UAC has been compiled from NME and RR who did compile charts.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 28th 1968.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 28th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Lily The Pink - The Scaffold 1 1 8550
    3 2 One Two Three O'Leary - Des O'Connor 2 4 8095
    4 3 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 3 2 8065
    2 4 Ain't Got No..I Got Life - Nina Simone 4 3 7780
    6 5 I'm The Urban Spaceman - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 5 6 7325
    8 6 Sabre Dance - Love Sculpture 6 5 7210
    5 7 The Good The Bad And The Ugly - Hugo Montenegro 7 8 6755
    14 8 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Marmalade 8 7 6640
    7 9 May I Have The Next Dream With You - Malcolm Roberts 9 11 6100
    11 10 Race With The Devil - The Gun 10 10 5985
    16 11 Albatross - Fleetwood Mac 12 9 5670
    9 12 I'm A Tiger - Lulu 11 13 5530
    13 13 A Minute Of Your Time - Tom Jones 13 14 5045
    10 14 Breaking Down The Walls Of Heartache - The Bandwagon 15 12 4815
    19 15 Private Number - William Bell and Judy Clay 14 16 4675
    18 16 Love Child - Diana Ross and The Supremes 16 21 3850
    20 17 Son Of A Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield 18 20 3535
    15 18 Eloise - Barry Ryan 19 18 3505
    17 19 Harper Valley P.T.A. - Jeannie C. Riley 20 17 3390
    12 20 This Old Heart Of Mine - The Isley Brothers 21 19 3020
    28 21 OB-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Bedrocks 17 30 2885
    21 22 Elenore - The Turtles 27 15 2160
    29 23 I Shall Be Released - The Tremeloes 22 29 1970
    22 24 If I Knew Then What I Know Now - Val Doonican 26 22 1765
    23 25 Quick Joey Small - The Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus 25 25 1710
    30 26 Something's Happening - Herman's Hermits 24 28 1655
    25 27 Stop Her On Sight (SOS) - Edwin Starr 23 1600
    24 28 Those Were The Days - Mary Hopkin 28 24 1195
    RE 29 Atlantis - Donovan 29 23 1080
    26 30 Don't Forget To Catch Me - Cliff Richard 30 26 625
    Neither MM or The BBC compiled a chart for 28th December. So The Ultimate Averaged Chart was compiled from NME and RR.
    For Once In My Life - Stevie Wonder 27 340

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post

    The Beatles should have issued this track in the UK, as it was released in a lot of European countries. Missed out a number one.
    I agree Brian, it was the superior version but EMI missed a trick and Marmalade stole the glory. Similarly I never forgave EMI for not releasing The Long And Winding Road here in 1970.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by membranemusic View Post
    Mr Tibbs: re your suggestion of a version of the chart without RR, I am personally not keen; not because I am particularly fond of RR, but because one cannot deny its existence throughout the 60s. Far more interesting to include the ‘rogue’ charts like Pop Weekly, Music Now, Cashbox etc, although that water has already passed under the bridge, and I am not suggesting you go back now!
    The reason I did not include all the other 'rogue' charts membrane is because they were all transient and as such would detract from year on year consistency. I agree about RR though, I included it because it was a recognised chart from 1960 although yes it was also the weakest and least credible and as such did not really bring much to the averaging process.

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  • brian05
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    I am quite sure that EMI held on to all their Beatles sales.

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  • membranemusic
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    Graham: as one who was employed by the music industry for many decades, I am afraid I can refute your suggestion that all sales figures are kept in record company archives indefinitely. Companies are obliged to keep several years of data for accounting, auditing and tax reasons, but as soon as those 6 years are up, out they go to the recycling centre. Reason: it costs money to store stuff which has no commercial value in warehouses. The same would apply to digital back-ups of similar vintage. Sorry!

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  • membranemusic
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    Mr Tibbs: re your suggestion of a version of the chart without RR, I am personally not keen; not because I am particularly fond of RR, but because one cannot deny its existence throughout the 60s. Far more interesting to include the ‘rogue’ charts like Pop Weekly, Music Now, Cashbox etc, although that water has already passed under the bridge, and I am not suggesting you go back now!

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