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  • I wonder if the NME placing of The Goons is a glitch, or if the other charts have reverted to tallying separate sides.

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    • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 25th 1956

      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 25th 1956 NME MM RM Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
      1 1 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 1 2 1 4330
      2 2 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 2 1 2 4225
      3 3 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 3 3 3 4060
      4 4 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 4 4 4 3915
      5 5 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 5 5 5 3770
      8 6 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 6 6 3625
      9 7 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 7 7 7 3480
      6 8 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 8 8 8 3335
      7 9 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 9 14 9 3090
      15 10 Serenade - Slim Whitman 10 9 11 3005
      13 11 Walk Hand In Hand - Ronnie Carroll 13 12 10 2810
      10 12 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 12 15 13 2635
      21 13 I Almost Lost My Mind - Pat Boone 14 13 13 2545
      12 14 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 15 9 16 2380
      17 15 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley 17 16 15 2170
      11 16 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 21 19 12 2030
      14 17 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 11 9 1740
      24 18 Be-Bop-A-Lula - Gene Vincent 16 20 1635
      19 19 Bluebottle Blues / I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons 20 17 1555
      30 20 Long Tall Sally - Pat Boone 18 20 1065
      NEW 21 My Son John - David Whitfield 30 18 845
      27 22 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 19 780
      NEW 23 You Are My First Love - Ruby Murray 19 720
      NEW 24 Long Tall Sally - Little Richard 20 660
      23 25 The Faithful Hussar - Ted Heath 22 585
      26 26 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 26 20 545
      18 27 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - Alma Cogan 23 520
      25 27 Left Bank - Winifred Atwell 23 520
      16 29 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 25 390
      NEW 30 Born To Be With You - The Chordettes 17 280
      Treasure Of Love - Clyde McPhatter 27 260
      Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 18 260
      22 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 20 220
      Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton 28 195
      Sadie's Shawl - Frank Cordell 29 130
      20 Walk Hand In Hand - Jimmy Parkinson
      28 Hot Diggity / The Gal With The Yaller Shoes - Michael Holliday
      29 My September Love - David Whitfield
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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      • There is an amazing consensus at the top end of the above chart. All three papers by and large agree totally on the top eight positions. The only difference being MM disagreeing on the #1 single but without a shadow of a doubt NME and RM had that correct.
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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        • The 3-way tie (at MMs number 9) must be rare, if not unique.

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          • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
            The 3-way tie (at MMs number 9) must be rare, if not unique.
            Probably MM's really low shop sample had a lot to do with this. BUT, strangely, NME consistently had ties in the upper end of the chart too (as well as lower positions) and often in the top ten yet using a much bigger sample. By comparison RM just below NME in sample size had far far fewer ties in the top ten but like MM often had ties in the lower chart positions.

            Even stranger as you already know these frequent ties high in the top ten in NME carried on well into the sixties but less frequent with all the others. It had to have something to do with NME's compilation method.
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            • Graham76man
              Graham76man commented
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              MM was not as low as your numbers. If you look at the papers on the American site they were getting at least 30 and probably more, but it did vary.

          • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
            The 3-way tie (at MMs number 9) must be rare, if not unique.
            Interesting question! So I went digging....

            Lots of times we had 2 records tie for a position. So Ignored those.

            In fact, three records at a single position has happened 44 times on the UK Singles chart - most during the time whenNME compiled the chart, then 5 times in 1969, once in 1986 and three times in 1993 (In the 76-100 section of the chart - two happening in a single week!)
            Date Pos
            19/12/1952 6
            19/12/1952 10
            26/12/1952 6
            26/12/1952 10
            23/01/1953 12
            26/11/1954 14
            17/12/1954 20
            24/12/1954 20
            31/12/1954 20
            01/04/1955 15
            27/01/1956 20
            21/09/1956 6
            16/11/1956 15
            08/02/1957 21
            13/12/1957 22
            07/02/1958 26
            14/02/1958 7
            14/03/1958 30
            19/12/1958 25
            09/01/1959 14
            23/01/1959 18
            06/02/1959 3
            13/02/1959 22
            20/02/1959 23
            26/06/1959 28
            17/07/1959 28
            07/08/1959 15
            04/09/1959 19
            18/09/1959 28
            25/09/1959 18
            16/10/1959 28
            04/12/1959 30
            01/01/1960 19
            01/01/1960 28
            05/02/1960 17
            05/03/1969 46
            02/04/1969 35
            09/04/1969 38
            07/05/1969 39
            07/05/1969 43
            08/03/1986 54
            16/01/1993 82
            16/01/1993 96
            25/09/1993 72
            And now we come to other charts....

            NME continued to have 3 tied at a position through to 1970 (10 Jan 1970 the last occurrence). They also had 4 three times!
            30/06/1961 28
            25/05/1962 28
            21/06/1963 28
            Record Mirror had quite a few as well, but I need to re-verify me Record Mirror charts with the ones MrTibbs is posting above, as I know mine are for the Tony Jasper book (and thus full of errors) but they had 3 ties on 8 occasions, and once a 4 way tie - if my data is correct)

            The BBC Averaged chart had loads of 3 record ties, quite a few times when 4 where tied (16 jul 1966 at 6 had 4 records but that's the only one in the Top 10) and once they had 6 records - 15 Feb 1958 at number 25, but I assume that this was just unable to sort out positions as it was below the Top 20 they broadcast.

            Melody Maker also had 3 many times. 4 times in the Top 10 (two in 1957 and 19 Jun 1976 at 6) They also had 5 way ties twice. 1976 was the last time my data shows ties for Melody Maker (Note I do not have the 1980's data added yet).
            Date Pos Number
            19/01/1957 20 4
            26/01/1957 17 4
            06/04/1957 18 4
            27/04/1957 20 4
            01/06/1957 20 4
            02/11/1957 18 4
            04/01/1958 20 4
            15/02/1958 20 4
            14/03/1970 45 4
            31/10/1970 49 4
            19/05/1956 18 5
            22/02/1958 15 5
            Disc had 3 once on their first chart, Pop Weekly Singles had 3 4 times, one in the Top 10 on 7 Sep 1963.

            And, saving the best for last, the main UK chart, in 1969, had a five way tie once - 12 Feb 1969 in the first of the BMRB charts at 45.

            Over on the album chart ties where very rare, but did happen - mostly in 1969 when the BMRB where starting. Ignoring those (which included 4 records at 4 on 24 May 169) we had a 4 way tie at 56 on 23 Dec 1978 as the most, and also the last time we had a tie on the album chart of more than 2 records.

            In America ties where far more common up until the advent of the Hot 100 and a change of the way they compiled the chart. The chart with the most was the Top 100 from 1955-1958, which ranked sides of records. I know this thread is about the UK so I will only mention this briefly, but the biggest number of ties recorded was for this chart as below
            Date Pos Number
            28/01/1956 93 9
            16/06/1958 86 9
            01/07/1957 85 10
            07/04/1958 91 10
            09/06/1958 87 10
            However, all that pails with the most number of ties at a single position. 12. 12 records tied at a single position on the Juke Box chart Billboard printed on 2 Sep 1950, all at position 19.

            So 3 is not that rare at all.
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            • Wow ! That's what I call comprehensive Lonnie.

              I can actually understand how easy it was for ties to occur on a points based chart especially if the sample tally was low but for the BMRB to have a five way tie in a chart where copies sold was used rather than points should have been nigh impossible. 2 tying is possible, just, but 5. This again to my my mind exemplifies that at the outset the BMRB chart was using only a minimal sample of valid returns for compilation purposes as we have discussed many times. This is perhaps the strongest evidence yet.
              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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              • Graham advised, ''MM was not as low as your numbers. If you look at the papers on the American site they were getting at least 30 and probably more, but it did vary.''

                We have debated this so often but yet again let me quantify. Nobody, not me, not you Graham, not even Alan Smith can hand on heart state Alan's figures (the ones I use) were definitive. But Alan's figures as things stand are the best 'guide' we actually have and were at least based on his research with industry insiders so carry some weight.

                That said the exact figure is relatively unimportant as it is the proportion used to differentiate between the paper samples that is the main factor to consider, so the figures I use are a good representation of that for the purpose of this exercise.

                Remember too that all these charts used are only based on what the stores reported on and like we have debated on before these figures themselves will have an element of error contained within due to manipulation, errors, omissions, miscalculations and so on. At least by combining and averaging and factoring in approximate store return numbers do we get as good a balanced chart as is now possible.

                The Ultimate Averaged Chart is only 'A' chart based on specific data to give a likely averaged outcome. It in no way can be described as 'THE' chart, no more than any other chart, NME, RM, MM, DISC, RR. It's just another chart of choice improving on the methodology employed by the BBC taking the same view that a combination of many charts together has to be better than any individual chart.

                I do present it as 'definitive' reflecting the era in as much as it is accurate by correcting all the obvious errors that the individual music paper charts made at the time, including the BBC one. The methodology is transparent for all to see which further allows you guys to also see any errors I make for correction along the way. So based on that yes ! The Ultimate Averaged Chart more robust than any other chart but not better, it's just another chart.

                I hope this clarifies the purpose and reasoning behind the project in order that we can all continue to enjoy it. It reflects the times imperfections and all.

                Brian



                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                • Just to reemphasize Brian's statement above:
                  .
                  That said the exact figure is relatively unimportant as it is the proportion used to differentiate between the paper samples that is the main factor to consider, so the figures I use are a good representation of that for the purpose of this exercise.

                  Of course we would like to know the exact number of record shops sampled each week by each chart, but good ballpark / approximate / highly reasonable numbers will yield close to the same averaged ranking results. The big thing is the relative proportion of number of sampled shops, chart against chart. In the case of the above Aug 25 1956 chart, it's NME 65 vs MM 20 vs RM 60. NME and RM are way above MM, so MM's impact will be minimal.

                  But just for the heck of it, I took Brian's chart above Aug 25 1956, and changed MM from 20 to 30 shops. And the results were the same except for 2 swaps: the records at 25 and 26 swapped, and the records at 29 and 30 swapped.

                  But it would be very kool if someone were to go thru the MM charts late 50s to 1960 on the American site, and total up how many shops are listed each week !! At some point in 1960, MM quit supplying those exact numbers / dealer names, when they upped it to over 100 shops.

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                  • Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View Post
                    But it would be very kool if someone were to go thru the MM charts late 50s to 1960 on the American site, and total up how many shops are listed each week !! At some point in 1960, MM quit supplying those exact numbers / dealer names, when they upped it to over 100 shops.
                    Can I ask here which American site we are talking about ? . Obviously if this site can give a more accurate guide as to numbers of returns MM used in the fifties so much the better for my computations so if anyone can advise me on this it would be most helpful.

                    As things stand, going forward I increase MM input incrementally, 20 stores at present, 25 from January 1957, 30 from January 1958, and finally 35 from January 1959. This then ties in with the sample of 38 used from January 1960. This is consistent with Alan Smith's figures used throughout the project.
                    As referred to by Robin above MM made the conscious decision from July 30th 1960 to have the best chart service of any chart and increased their chart sample to over a hundred. This effectively provided a larger sample than any other individual paper from that date and remained so throughout the decade.

                    Also referring again to Robin's comments above re the two 'position swaps' . These only occurred in the bottom end of the chart which as such is mainly reliant on the NME chart as RM and MM only compiled a Top 20. Therefore the Top 20 itself, which all three charts input to, remains the same even with Robin's additional experimental increase in MM store returns proving that it is indeed robust and the proportions do what they say on the tin.
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                    • Brian, it's the WorldRadioHistory.com site, previously known as AmericanRadioHistory.com. Here's the link to MM issues:

                      https://worldradiohistory.com/Melody_Maker.htm

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                      • For the period for 1956 MM would print the stores supplying data beneath there chart - I counted 29 on the 25 Aug 1956 chart. It is possible that this is a generic list and so could be incomplete or inaccurate. It could also be a true account for that weeks charts, but this list was dropped eventually. In 9 Jan 1960 this ran to 28 shops.
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                        • Thanks for that info Robin. Yeah I did a random check on the years 56 to 58 and store numbers vary. I did see a 29 for August 56 as mentioned above, but in every other I looked at randomly the following numbers were given, 24, 21, 24, 20, 21, 22, 15, 15 over these years so no consistency it would seem. Up to 1958 the paper stated above the chart exactly how many were used. So it would seem the formula I am using is entirely credible as an average for this period.
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                          • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 1st 1956

                            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 1st 1956 NME MM RM Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                            1 1 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 1 1 1 4350
                            2 2 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 2 2 2 4205
                            3 3 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 4 3 3 3995
                            4 4 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 3 4 5 3920
                            6 5 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 5 6 4 3810
                            5 6 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 5 5 6 3710
                            7 7 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 7 7 9 3360
                            10 8 Serenade - Slim Whitman 8 8 9 3275
                            9 9 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 11 9 8 3120
                            8 10 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 9 12 11 3010
                            13 11 I Almost Lost My Mind - Pat Boone 15 11 7 2880
                            12 12 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 10 14 16 2605
                            22 13 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 12 17 14 2535
                            30 14 Born To Be With You - The Chordettes 13 20 12 2530
                            17 15 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 16 10 18 2175
                            NEW 16 Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton 14 15 2065
                            15 17 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley 18 17 20 1785
                            11 18 Walk Hand In Hand - Ronnie Carroll 17 17 1750
                            21 19 My Son John - David Whitfield (A) 22 13 1665
                            23 20 You Are My First Love - Ruby Murray 19 17 1060
                            18 21 Be-Bop-A-Lula - Gene Vincent 19 780
                            NEW 22 By The Fountains Of Rome - Edmund Hockridge 24 15 775
                            24 23 Long Tall Sally - Little Richard 19 720
                            20 24 Long Tall Sally - Pat Boone 21 650
                            14 25 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 23 520
                            NEW 26 My Unfinished Symphony - David Whitfield (B) 29 15 450
                            19 27 Bluebottle Blues / I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons 25 390
                            RE 28 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 13 360
                            NEW 29 Donkey Cart - Frank Chacksfield 26 325
                            27 30 Left Bank - Winifred Atwell 27 260
                            25 The Faithful Hussar - Ted Heath 28 195
                            Sadie's Shawl - Frank Cordell 30 65
                            29 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth. 30 65
                            16 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists
                            26 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley
                            27 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - Alma Cogan
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                            • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 8th 1956

                              Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 8th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                              1 1 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 1 1 1 4350
                              2 2 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 2 2 2 4205
                              3 3 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 3 3 5 3940
                              5 4 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 4 5 4 3895
                              16 5 Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton 5 6 3 3870
                              4 6 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 6 4 6 3665
                              6 7 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 7 7 7 3480
                              7 8 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 9 8 10 3150
                              14 9 Born To Be With You - The Chordettes 8 9 13 3015
                              13 10 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 12 13 9 2915
                              11 11 I Almost Lost My Mind - Pat Boone 15 12 8 2800
                              8 12 Serenade - Slim Whitman 11 13 13 2740
                              10 13 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 17 11 11 2510
                              12 14 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 10 12 2505
                              17 15 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley 14 16 19 2125
                              NEW 16 The Great Pretender - The Platters (A) 18 16 2070
                              9 17 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 19 15 15 2060
                              NEW 18 Only You - The Platters (B) 17 18 1938
                              18 19 Walk Hand In Hand - Ronnie Carroll 20 20 16 1835
                              20 20 You Are My First Love - Ruby Murray 16 10 1395
                              24 21 Long Tall Sally - Pat Boone 18 845
                              15 22 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 22 19 825
                              28 23 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 19 720
                              22 24 By The Fountains Of Rome - Edmund Hockridge 20 715
                              21 25 Be-Bop-A-Lula - Gene Vincent 23 520
                              19 26 My Son John - David Whitfield (A) 24 455
                              RE 27 My September Love - David Whitfield 25 390
                              29 28 Donkey Cart - Frank Chacksfield 26 325
                              NEW 29 A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine 27 260
                              NEW 30 Bring A Little Water Sylvie / Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan 28 195
                              Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 29 130
                              25 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 30 65
                              The Great Pretender / Only You - The Platters 13
                              23 Long Tall Sally - Little Richard
                              26 My Unfinished Symphony - David Whitfield (B)
                              27 Bluebottle Blues / I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons
                              30 Left Bank - Winifred Atwell
                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                              • I love how close the top few records are.
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                                • The Great Separator (NME) acting against type by being the only one to combine The Platters.

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                                  • For those of you who may have forgotten an average was taken from MM and RM and awarded to NME to correctly place the individual sides on the UAC.
                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                    • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 15th 1956

                                      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '


                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 15th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                      1 1 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 1 1 1 4350
                                      5 2 Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton 2 2 2 4205
                                      3 3 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 4 3 5 3875
                                      2 4 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 6 3 3 3865
                                      4 5 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and The Comets 5 5 4 3830
                                      6 6 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 3 6 6 3820
                                      7 7 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 8 7 7 3415
                                      16 8 The Great Pretender - The Platters (A) 9 9 3190
                                      14 9 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 13 10 10 2850
                                      18 10 Only You - The Platters (B) 12 11 2848
                                      NEW 11 Ying Tong Song / Bloodnok's Rock'n'Roll Call - The Goons 9 8 2810
                                      12 12 Serenade - Slim Whitman 12 14 12 2715
                                      9 13 Born To Be With You - The Chordettes 15 8 14 2520
                                      29 14 A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine 11 20 15 2480
                                      30 15 Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan (A) 13 2250
                                      15 16 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley 14 11 19 2225
                                      11 17 I Almost Lost My Mind - Pat Boone 16 13 18 2115
                                      30 18 Bring A Little Water Sylvie - Lonnie Donegan (B) 16 1875
                                      10 19 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 19 20 17 1840
                                      8 20 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 20 15 19 1755
                                      24 21 By The Fountains Of Rome - Edmund Hockridge 17 16 1210
                                      13 22 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 17 18 1170
                                      17 23 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 26 19 1045
                                      20 24 You Are My First Love - Ruby Murray 21 17 930
                                      19 25 Walk Hand In Hand - Ronnie Carroll 22 585
                                      21 26 Long Tall Sally - Pat Boone 23 520
                                      NEW 27 Love Me As Though There Were No Tomorrow - Nat King Cole 24 455
                                      26 28 My Son John - David Whitfield 28 18 455
                                      NEW 29 Serenade - Mario Lanza 25 390
                                      22 30 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 26 325
                                      Razzle Dazzle - Bill Haley and His Comets 29 130
                                      Tryin' - The Hilltoppers 30 65
                                      The Great Pretender / Only You - The Platters 7
                                      Dead Or Alive / Bring A Little Water Sylvie - Lonnie Donegan 10
                                      23 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff
                                      25 Be-Bop-A-Lula - Gene Vincent
                                      27 My September Love - David Whitfield
                                      28 Donkey Cart - Frank Chacksfield
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                      • An Explanation.

                                        The fifties as I said before was by far the most difficult decade to work with due to differing charts adopting different compilation rules and constantly changing them turning the averaging process into a nightmare. This week was one of those weeks that involved much deliberation and frustration to try and reach a fair outcome.

                                        Averaging MM and RM and awarding to NME was done again and will continue for The Platters single splitting.

                                        Next, The Goons. NME combined it, MM split it then appeared to combine it. RM didn't obviously indicate what it had done as it only ever listed the Ying Tong Song but its chart position aligned with NME so I strongly suspect it combined both sides. So next week an average is taken this time from NME and RM and awarded to MM as both sides chart separately then on the following weeks MM appears to combine sides also.

                                        Then Lonnie Donegan. He charted last week at #30 on NME combined sides alone. This week NME stick with combined sides while RM goes with split sides. It did not chart yet on MM so for this week I simply awarded the same chart positions as RM to NME to ascertain an UAC position. From next week MM will also split the sides so again an average of MM and RM will be used for NME.

                                        Phew !!!

                                        Brian
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                        • I understand your predicament Brian. So far I’ve admired your motivation and now I’m admiring your Stamina too.

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                                          • Originally posted by kjell View Post
                                            I understand your predicament Brian. So far I’ve admired your motivation and now I’m admiring your Stamina too.
                                            It's a good job it's a labour of love kjell or I'd have no hair left . NME's lack of consistency especially blows me away. Further along where I am at present sometimes they combine and other times they split sides, no explanation. For the so called premier chart of the fifties it was haphazardly compiled at times. But then so were the others. Sigh !
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                                            • Very strange that The Goons and Donegan do not feature in MM. If combined sides make the Top 10 you would expect at least one separated side to make the 20.

                                              It is as if they had started tallying the points and found it was just too complicated to allocate them properly to each side and so decided simply to exclude both records!

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                                              • Further to my comment above I remember Dave Taylor once telling me that in the fifties according to him RM was a more accurate and robust chart than NME as it used postal returns as opposed to telephone calls. I remembered this when Splodj made the same comment earlier.

                                                I have to agree. The fact that shops took the time to list and send a return had to be better than a brief telephone call where an anonymous somebody could just rhyme of any ten records without any comeback.
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                                                • Did the papers pick up the system of shops saying what they were selling the most of rather than asking them for actual record sales (IE: 90, 65 45) from the American charts? Were the USA charts using the system of asking shops for a list of best sellers? After all nearly everything pop music related was import from that country. It would make sense to do it that way. It also meant that your not getting actual sales information from the record shops. Since you can't actually tell if the number one record had sold 100 records or 10,000. For a lot of record companies wouldn't like sales information being passed on to the competition. Nor would the record stores. A problem that remained for many years. Even these days it's like pulling teeth to find out how many records have been sold by an individual store.
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