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  • For what it's worth, I did some limited research on this awhile back, something similar to combining a Top 30 chart with 2 Top 20s. Actually, I think I looked at combining a Top 50 with 2 Top 30s. Same deal.

    I tried 4 methods for the missing records #31 to #50:
    a--not awarding any extra points for the missing records
    b--using #31 for all the missing records
    c--using the average chart position #40.5 for all the missing records
    d--calculating an average of the other charts for the missing records

    Then I did the combos. I think I did a simple combo with no weighting of record shops, and then a combo with weighting of record shops.

    The end result of this limited research (if my memory is correct) is that all 4 methods were relatively close to each other, that only a few records were affected at the lower end of the combo charts. But for methods b, c, and d, you are assuming things that are not in evidence.

    b is the worst of the lot because you are adding more total points to the chart, you can't have 20 records tied at #31. A 50 position chart would normally have 1275 total inverse points, before applying record shop weightings. But a 30 position chart, with 20 records ranked at #31 would give a total of 1465 inverse points, for an extra 190 points. This throws things off, giving an advantage to those records that are missing from positions #31 to #50 on those charts.

    c and d are less bad, but still you are assuming data that does not exist.

    Philosophically speaking, 'a' is the most logical mathematical solution, you are going with only the data you have. b is not valid, and there are only minimal combo differences compared to c and d. Of course each week's charts will give different results, but overall 'a' is the way to go.

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    • I would have thought (d) is the best. I don't think it is "assuming data that does not exist", it is maximising the data that does exist. When MM was compiling a Top 50 I reckon this was very valuable data. (Not so sure about RR - particularly in the early low sample days!! - but weighting could take care of that,)

      (a) and (b) produce exactly the same results as each other when I test them.

      I think the description in (a) of "not awarding any extra points" is misleading. What matters is that you are awarding a fixed number of points (zero points) and that is the same as awarding a fixed number of points (31 points) counting the other way.

      Zero is not a neutral concept (in this context) it is a number with +1 above it and -1 below it. You can pivot the zero anywhere. Pivoting it at number 31 does not make it any more neutral than pivoting it at (say) 17. If you pivot it at 31 that means number 32 is -1 (minus one) point, number 33 is -2 points and so on. So if you found out that the real position was number 33, under the BBC system you should award 33 points and under the UAC system you should award -2 points. By awarding the default of 31 points (BBC) and 0 points (UAC) you are out by exactly the same number of points under both systems.

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      • Robin - I assume in (a) you are counting up as in UAC and in (b) you are counting down as in BBC. If I have misunderstood please set me right!

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        • I was doing inverse points like this: For the Top 50 chart, chart position #1 = 50 inverse points, down to chart position #50 = 1 inverse point. Or, inverse points = 51 - chart position.

          For the two Top 30 charts, the same thing for chart positions #1 down to #30: #1 = 50 inverse points, down to #30 = 21 inverse points. Then awarding inverse points to the missing records at what would be positions #31 down to #50:

          a = 0 inverse points for all of them
          b = 20 inverse points for all of them
          c = 10.5 inverse points for all of them
          d = 51 - the average chart position for the charts the missing records appear on

          Something like that. It was years ago. I just pulled up my old spreadsheet, and it's got so many scenarios on it (somewhere around 50 or so), I'd be super straining my brain if I were to try and figure it out again, ha.

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          • Here's another thought I haven't done any research on: let's say you have 3 charts. Some records will appear on all 3, some only on 2, some only on 1. Maybe all the 3 chart records should appear on the combo chart first at the top, followed by all the 2 chart records in the middle, followed by all the 1 chart records at the bottom. Using weighted points to sort them within each category.

            Just an alternative eye deer...

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            • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 6th 1956

              Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 6th 1956 NME MM RM Total
              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
              1 1 Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton 1 1 1 4350
              6 2 A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine 3 2 2 4140
              2 3 Whatever Will Be Will be - Doris Day 2 4 3 4105
              5 4 Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 4 3 4 3935
              20 5 Giddy-Up-A-Ding-Dong - Freddie Bell and The Bell Boys 6 5 5 3705
              3 6 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 5 6 6 3690
              4 7 Ying Tong Song / Bloodnok's Rock'n'Roll Call - The Goons 7 8 7 3460
              10 8 Only You - The Platters (B) 7 9 3295
              7 9 The Great Pretender - The Platters (A) 13 8 3073
              8 10 Bring A Little Water Sylvie - Lonnie Donegan (B) 10 11 2953
              14 11 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets 12 16 10 2795
              17 12 Born To Be With You - The Chordettes 11 11 16 2600
              12 13 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 16 9 12 2555
              13 14 Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan (A) 15 13 2505
              11 15 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 10 17 2205
              21 16 Razzle Dazzle - Bill Haley and The Comets 13 20 18 2170
              19 17 When Mexico Gave Up The Rumba - Mitchell Torok 19 11 15 2140
              16 18 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 17 20 19 1850
              24 19 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 20 14 1735
              9 20 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 15 18 1300
              15 21 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 13 1170
              29 22 More - Perry Como (A) 18 17 1125
              22 23 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 24 13 815
              NEW 24 A Woman In Love - Ronnie Hilton 20 660
              RE 25 You Are My First Love - Ruby Murray 21 650
              29 26 More - Jimmy Young 22 585
              28 27 Be-Bop-A-Lula - Gene Vincent 23 520
              18 28 Serenade - Slim Whitman 27 19 500
              RE 29 Love Me As Though There Were No Tomorrow - Nat King Cole 25 390
              RE 30 Walk Hand In Hand - Jimmy Parkinson 26 325
              Ten Thousand Miles - Michael Holliday 28 195
              26 Glendora - Perry Como (B) 29 130
              Glendora - Glen Mason 30 65
              Only You / The Great Pretender - The Platters 8
              Bring A Little Water Sylvie / Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan 9
              23 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
              24 By The Fountains Of Rome - Edmund Hockridge
              27 I Want You I Need You I Love You - Elvis Presley
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              • Robin - giving priority to records that appear in all 3 charts, as per your eye deer, is somewhat achieved in scenario (c) by reducing the unfair advantage to absentees.

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                • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 13th 1956

                  Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 13th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                  1 1 Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton 1 1 1 4350
                  2 2 A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine 2 2 2 4205
                  3 3 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 4 4 3 3975
                  4 4 Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 3 3 5 3940
                  5 5 Giddy-Up-A-Ding-Dong - Freddie Bell and The Bell Boys 7 5 4 3700
                  8 6 Only You - The Platters (B) 6 7 3533
                  7 7 Ying Tong Song / Bloodnok's Rock'n'Roll Call - The Goons 6 10 8 3425
                  6 8 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 9 7 6 3410
                  11 9 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 8 8 10 3215
                  10 10 Bring A Little Water Sylvie - Lonnie Donegan (B) 10 9 3138
                  12 11 Born To Be With You - The Chordettes 12 14 12 2715
                  13 12 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 11 13 15 2620
                  17 13 When Mexico Gave Up The Rumba - Mitchell Torok 14 9 14 2565
                  14 14 Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan (A) 17 13 2400
                  22 15 More - Perry Como (A) 15 15 18 2140
                  16 16 Razzle Dazzle - Bill Haley and His Comets 17 19 16 2050
                  19 17 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 20 17 1555
                  20 18 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 13 12 1550
                  9 19 The Great Pretender - The Platters (A) 11 1200
                  18 20 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 23 20 1180
                  26 21 More - Jimmy Young 20 15 1035
                  15 22 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 16 975
                  21 23 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 18 845
                  NEW 24 Just Walking In The Rain - Johnnie Ray 19 780
                  NEW 25 Guys And Dolls (EP) - Marlon Brando and Jean Simmons 19 720
                  23 26 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 22 585
                  RE 27 Glendora - Perry Como (B) 27 19 500
                  NEW 28 Ten Thousand Miles - Michael Holliday 24 455
                  28 29 Serenade - Slim Whitman 25 390
                  29 30 Love Me As Though There Were No Tomorrow - Nat King Cole 26 325
                  Autumn Concerto - The Melachrino Orchestra 30 18 325
                  Race With The Devil - Gene Vincent 28 195
                  Serenade - Mario Lanza 29 130
                  Only You / The Great Pretender - The Platters 5
                  Bring A Little Water Sylvie / Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan 10
                  24 A Woman In Love - Ronnie Hilton
                  25 You Are My First Love - Ruby Murray
                  27 Be-Bop-A-Lula - Gene Vincent
                  30 Walk Hand In Hand - Jimmy Parkinson
                  The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                  The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                  • Bill Haley is at the peak of his chart domination. He has 5 singles in the Top 20 including Rock Around Around The Clock climbing back into the Top10. Quite an achievement.
                    The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

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                    • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                      Bill Haley is at the peak of his chart domination. He has 5 singles in the Top 20 including Rock Around Around The Clock climbing back into the Top10. Quite an achievement.
                      Yes, very few would go on to have the same success whilst alive until you get to Ed Sheeran... but that's down to a changed music consumption path whereby anything can be accessed rather than what's in the shops and selling well, as in this case.
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                      • Back then also there was less reluctance on Record Companies to release new records before the old one drops out of the chart, or at least has had it's peak. By the middle 1960's Record Companies waited till a single by a current had died off before releasing the new records. Of course there were always exceptions to this "rule". But it wasn't really a rule, just a sort of belief that releasing a new single could damage the sales of the older track.
                        It was even worse in the late 1940's and very early 1950's when artists had several records out in the same month, especially Bing Crosby. Mind you some of these (like Bing's) were due to some kind of contractual obligation to release records.
                        Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                        • What is still a bit of a mystery to me, is that by this time RM had never extended to a Top 30. Given that RM was polling around 60 shops just below NME that was more than enough for that time to easily justify a Top 30 but for some reason they stuck with a Top 20 rather than compete with NME who had moved to an extended chart back in March.

                          It wouldn't have entailed much more work as the figures would already have been available to compile their Top 20 with lots of completed tallies below that still available to them. I know from my RM Early Charts 54/55 that I could compile a Top 30 from less than half that number of returns.
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                          • Space in the paper? They may have felt that the charts they where doing (Top 20, British chart, Albums Top 5) and printing the weekly shop top 10's where enough.
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                            • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
                              Space in the paper? They may have felt that the charts they where doing (Top 20, British chart, Albums Top 5) and printing the weekly shop top 10's where enough.
                              It's possible Lonnie but if that was the case it was not very far thinking on their past just treading water. It certainly allowed NME to get the upper hand and maybe, just maybe, if RM had been a bit braver and more innovative then it wouldn't have fallen by the wayside in 1962 sadly.
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                              • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 20th 1956

                                Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 20th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                2 1 A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine 1 1 1 4350
                                1 2 Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton 2 2 2 4205
                                4 3 Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 3 3 3 4060
                                5 4 Giddy-Up-A-Ding-Dong - Freddie Bell and The Bell Boys 4 4 4 3915
                                3 5 Whatever Will Be Will Be- Doris Day 5 5 5 3770
                                8 6 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 7 6 3605
                                6 7 Only You - The Platters (B) 6 8 3440
                                7 8 Ying Tong Song / Bloodnok's Rock'n'Roll Call - The Goons 10 8 7 3265
                                9 9 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 9 9 9 3190
                                10 10 Bring A Little Water Sylvie - Lonnie Donegan (B) 10 10 3045
                                13 11 When Mexico Gave Up The Rumba - Mitchell Torok 11 11 11 2900
                                19 12 The Great Pretender - The Platters (A) 11 12 2808
                                17 13 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 12 19 13 2555
                                24 14 Just Walking In The Rain - Johnnie Ray 13 15 14 2510
                                15 15 More - Perry Como (A) 14 16 17 2245
                                14 16 Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan (A) 18 15 2163
                                16 17 Razzle Dazzle - Bill Haley and His Comets 15 20 16 2160
                                11 18 Born To Be With You - The Chordettes 18 17 18 1905
                                12 19 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 17 19 1630
                                21 20 More - Jimmy Young 16 13 1335
                                NEW 21 A Woman In Love - The Four Aces 21 20 1310
                                18 22 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 22 13 945
                                NEW 23 Autumn Concerto - The Melachrino Orchestra 19 780
                                27 24 Glendora - Perry Como (B) 20 715
                                22 25 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin 23 520
                                23 26 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 24 455
                                NEW 27 Teach You To Rock / Short'nin Bread - Tony Crombie and His Rockets 25 390
                                30 28 Love Me As Though There Were No Tomorrow - Nat King Cole 26 325
                                NEW 29 Blue Jean Bop - Gene Vincent 27 260
                                NEW 30 I Don't Care - Liberace 28 195
                                28 Ten Thousand Miles - Michael Holliday 29 130
                                26 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 30 65
                                Only You / The Great Pretender - The Platters 8
                                Bring A Little Water Sylvie / Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan 7
                                20 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers
                                25 Guys And Dolls (EP) - Marlon Brando and Jean Simmons
                                29 Serenade - Slim Whitman
                                The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                                • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 27th 1956

                                  Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 27th 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                  1 1 A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine 1 1 1 4350
                                  3 2 Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 2 3 2 4185
                                  2 3 Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton 3 2 3 4080
                                  4 4 Giddy-Up-A-Ding-Dong - Freddie Bell and The Bell Boys 4 5 4 3895
                                  14 5 Just Walking In The Rain - Johnnie Ray 5 4 5 3790
                                  6 6 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 7 6 6 3560
                                  5 7 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 6 8 8 3465
                                  9 8 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 8 10 7 3355
                                  10 9 Bring A Little Water Sylvie - Lonnie Donegan (B) 11 11 2900
                                  11 10 When Mexico Gave Up The Rumba - Mitchell Torok 14 9 9 2865
                                  8 11 Ying Tong Song / Bloodnok's Rock'n'Roll Call - The Goons 12 15 10 2815
                                  7 12 Only You - The Platters (B) 7 15 2740
                                  20 13 More - Jimmy Young 11 15 13 2700
                                  15 14 More - Perry Como 13 12 12 2690
                                  16 15 Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan (A) 13 17 2240
                                  13 16 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 15 16 1940
                                  19 17 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 16 19 1695
                                  29 18 Blue Jean Bop - Gene Vincent 28 18 14 1475
                                  28 19 Love Me As Though There Were No Tomorrow - Nat King Cole 16 20 1195
                                  NEW 20 Rock With The Caveman - Tommy Steele 26 17 1165
                                  17 21 Razzle Dazzle - Bill Haley and His Comets 24 20 1115
                                  RE 22 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 20 18 975
                                  24 23 Glendora - Perry Como 18 845
                                  21 24 A Woman In Love - The Four Aces 19 780
                                  23 25 Autumn Concerto - The Melachrino Orchestra 21 650
                                  NEW 26 Make It A Party - Winifred Atwell 22 585
                                  RE 27 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 23 520
                                  NEW 28 A House With Love In It - Vera Lynn 25 390
                                  12 29 The Great Pretender - The Platters (A) 14 340
                                  22 30 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer 17 280
                                  St. Theresa Of The Roses - Malcolm Vaughan 27 260
                                  18 Born To Be With You - The Chordettes 29 130
                                  27 Teach You To Rock / Short'nin Bread - Tony Crombie and His Rockets 30 65
                                  The Green Door - Jim Lowe 30 65
                                  Bring A Little Water Sylvie / Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan 9
                                  Only You / The Great Pretender - The Platters 10
                                  25 Walk Hand In Hand - Tony Martin
                                  26 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme
                                  30 I Don't Care - Liberace
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                                  • Sorry to contribute more to the storm-in-a-teacup of Nos 21-30, but there is yet another 5th way for this particular era.
                                    I refer to the recent publication of RM Bubblers (C Driscoll).
                                    We all know that Bubblers #1-10 are not the same as Sellers #21-30.
                                    However if you presume that Bubbler No. 1 is RM No.21 (which it isn't, necessarily), then you get another set of contenders which in theory match up to some of the NME Nos.21-30 entries, and we cannot also ignore the droppers outside the RM Top 20...

                                    I have tried this out - and it's war down there! So I am not seriously suggesting this, even though there's a 2nd version of Autumn Concerto in a revised T30!

                                    The UAC is fine as it is.

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                                    • I actually considered that at the outset too membrane as it initially seemed to be a useful source for extending RM at this time but quickly changed my mind when I reviewed it again for the very reasons you outline above. Take for example the chart above the 27th October, and not one of the ten breakers listed in Colin's book for that week are placed in the NME 21 to 30 positions or higher. Also like you say it makes no allowance for records leaving the top twenty.

                                      I love the book but it would further diminish not improve upon the authority of the 21 to 30 positions because of the points we raised.

                                      That said I thank you for your thought provoking input membrane. I love you guys getting involved in this with your theories and factual comments lots of which actually do help in difficult compilation situations.
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                                      • The problem with Driscoll’s book is that he tried to use RM’s dealers charts to make a bubbling under chart for all the important different UK charts. If he had used that wealth of information to extend the RM charts he would probably be able to make a better chart than the NME chart was at the time. However, Brian who does this thread has done exactly that for the very earliest part of RMs own chart life, an extremely interesting job widening the scope of the era. Let’s hope he’ll get access to the remainder of these dealer charts, they lasted till 1961 March 11.

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                                        • The individual RM dealer charts are fascinating music history and the only insight we have today into all the competing records that could quite easily have been compiled into a Top 30 had RM felt so inclined. But they stopped short.

                                          Yeah much as I like David's book and I applaud all the work and research he put into it I do also feel he missed a golden opportunity when he could easily have listed the next ten in order. The info was at his fingertips.

                                          I will hopefully get back to London in the Spring to capture all the remaining dealer charts from RM. When I do rest assured I will share them.
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                                          • Maybe the next project is to write those full RM charts then?
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                                            • I wouldn’t be surprised if it will prove possible to make a top 40 for at least some part of the remaining years till 61.

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                                              • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
                                                Maybe the next project is to write those full RM charts then?
                                                You both have been reading my mind .
                                                I would enjoy moving that project forward again to compile an extended RM chart covering the years 1954 to 1961by using the dealer charts. The challenge is accepted for late Spring next year
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                                                • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 3rd 1956

                                                  Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 3rd 1956 NME MM RM Total
                                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
                                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                                  1 1 A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine 1 1 1 4350
                                                  2 2 Hound Dog - Elvis Presley (A) 2 3 2 4185
                                                  5 3 Just Walking In The Rain - Johnnie Ray 3 2 3 4080
                                                  3 4 Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton 4 4 4 3915
                                                  6 5 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 5 5 3705
                                                  4 6 Giddy-Up-A-Ding-Dong - Freddie Bell and The Bell Boys 6 9 7 3505
                                                  NEW 7 My Prayer - The Platters 8 6 6 3495
                                                  8 8 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 5 10 10 3370
                                                  13 9 More - Jimmy Young 10 7 8 3225
                                                  10 10 When Mexico Gave Up The Rumba - Mitchell Torok 11 8 9 3080
                                                  7 11 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 9 12 13 2890
                                                  20 12 Rock With The Caveman - Tommy Steele 13 15 11 2690
                                                  14 13 More - Perry Como (A) 11 12 2440
                                                  11 14 Ying Tong Song / Bloodnok's Rock'n'Roll Call - The Goons 14 16 15 2365
                                                  19 15 Love Me As Though There Were No Tomorrow - Nat King Cole 15 13 16 2300
                                                  12 16 Only You - The Platters (B) 11 18 2253
                                                  16 17 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 18 19 17 1925
                                                  18 18 Blue Jean Bop - Gene Vincent 21 20 14 1890
                                                  25 19 Autumn Concerto - The Melachrino Orchestra 19 16 18 1860
                                                  26 20 Make It A Party - Winifred Atwell 20 16 18 1795
                                                  9 21 Bring A Little Water Sylvie - Lonnie Donegan (B) 18 780
                                                  NEW 22 The Green Door - Jim Lowe 21 650
                                                  22 23 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 23 520
                                                  21 24 Razzle Dazzle - Bill Haley and His Comets 24 455
                                                  17 24 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 24 455
                                                  NEW 26 Don't Be Cruel - Elvis Presley (B) 14 340
                                                  NEW 27 In The Middle Of The House - Alma Cogan 26 325
                                                  24 28 A Woman In Love - The Four Aces 27 260
                                                  28 29 A House With Love In It - Vera Lynn 28 195
                                                  23 30 Glendora - Perry Como (B) 29 130
                                                  Tonight You Belong To Me - Patience and Prudence 30 65
                                                  Bring A Little Water Sylvie / Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan 15
                                                  Only You / The Great Pretender - The Platters 17
                                                  15 Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan (A)
                                                  27 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
                                                  29 The Great Pretender - The Platters (A)
                                                  30 A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer
                                                  The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                                  The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                                                  • Originally posted by kjell View Post
                                                    I wouldn’t be surprised if it will prove possible to make a top 40 for at least some part of the remaining years till 61.
                                                    On actually thinking more about that kjell, if RR could compile a Top 50 using just 30 returns surely a Top 50 could be compiled from RM's 60 returns double that of RR. Now that would indeed be interesting, to see a Top 50 chart starting in the mid fifties, 20 places more than even NME.

                                                    Nothing like that currently exists and it would be even more interesting to see how RM's Top 50 compared with that of RR during 60/62 until RM ceased chart publication.

                                                    That is gonna be a big project for me next year once I collect the raw data.
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