The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[kingofskiffle]

Yes really looking forward to it - but we have this for now, and I’m enjoying the 1950’s. Looking forward to 1957 when Mr D gets most of his number 1’s.

[Splodj]

So MM is splitting 'Hound Dog' / 'Don't Be Cruel'. Are they all doing this and, if so, is it preventing Elvis from being number one?

(Re Top 50s, ones for the 60s would also be interesting using MM and RR and perhaps even a lowly weighted Music Echo. There were some excellent records in the lower reaches then. Obviously the MM Top 50 period would be the most robust. Not that I am wishing any more work on anyone, just saying I would like to see it!)

[kjell]

I’ve made chartruns of what you’ve done so far on RM dealers charts Brian. It’s a taste of what will come and has refueled my enthusiasm.

[MrTibbs]

So MM is splitting 'Hound Dog' / 'Don't Be Cruel'. Are they all doing this and, if so, is it preventing Elvis from being number one?

RM will also split Hound Dog/Don't Be Cruel but at best 'Cruel' only ever hovered around the bottom ten of the UAC so didn't really impact much on the outcome at the top. Also given that the combined sides on NME peaked at #2 and failed to reach the top was also a strong indicator that even combined in all charts it would at best be a strong #2.

1957 is going to be kind to Lonnie Donegan but even kinder to Elvis. Also I have a surprise, a first, on the UAC to unleash on you all by the end of 1956 so watch this space

[kingofskiffle]

Oohhh surprises. I like those.

[MrTibbs]

Hee Hee !

[MrTibbs]

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 10th 1956

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 10th 1956							NME	MM	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	65	20	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
3	1	Just Walking In The Rain - Johnnie Ray					2	1	1	4285
1	2	A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine					1	2	2	4270
2	3	Hound Dog - Elvis Presley (A)					2	3	3	4125
7	4	My Prayer - The Platters					4	4	6	3795
9	5	More - Jimmy Young					6	6	4	3745
5	6	Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets					5	7	5	3730
4	7	Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton					6	5	7	3585
6	8	Giddy-Up-A-Ding-Dong - Freddie Bell and The Bell Boys					8	9	8	3315
8	9	Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets					8	10	9	3235
13	10	More - Perry Como (A)					10	13	11	2925
10	11	When Mexico Gave Up The Rumba - Mitchell Torok					13	8	10	2890
22	12	The Green Door - Jim Lowe					14	15	13	2505
20	13	Make It A Party - Winifred Atwell					11	18	18	2340
12	14	Rock With The Caveman - Tommy Steele					17	17	13	2270
16	15	Only You - The Platters (B)						14	17	2188
18	16	Blue Jean Bop - Gene Vincent					16		12	2115
NEW	17	Green Door- Frankie Vaughan					20	11	15	2075
NEW	18	Rip It Up - Bill Haley and His Comets					21	19	16	1790
11	19	Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day					15		20	1700
15	20	Love Me As Though There Were No Tomorrow - Nat King Cole					12	15		1555
26	21	Don't Be Cruel - Elvis Presley (B)						11	19	1120
19	22	Autumn Concerto - The Melachrino Orchestra					18			845
14	23	Ying Tong Song / Bloodnok's Rock'n'Roll Call - The Goons					22			585
23	24	I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino					24			455
17	25	See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets					25			390
NEW	26	In The Middle Of The House - Jimmy Parkinson					26			325
29	27	A House With Love In It - Vera Lynn					27			260
RE	28	Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan (A)						20		220
NEW	29	Tonight You Belong To Me - Patience and Prudence					28			195
NEW	30	Two Different Worlds - Ronnie Hilton					29			130
		Only You / The Great Pretender - The Platters					18
		Bring A Little Water Sylvie / Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan					23
		Rock'n'Roll Stage Show (LP) - Bill Haley and His Comets					30
21		Bring A Little Water Sylvie - Lonnie Donegan (B)
24		Razzle Dazzle - Bill Haley and His Comets
24		The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets
27		In The Middle Of The House - Alma Cogan
28		A Woman In Love - The Four Aces
30		Glendora - Perry Como (B)

[MrTibbs]

In the midst of the onslaught of the 'Rock' era bandwagon along comes MOR Johnnie Ray scoring a monster #1 and Elvis as a result is denied that position for the second time this year.

It had appeared by the middle of this year that those stalwarts of the early fifties Doris Day, Frankie Laine and Johnnie Ray had, had their day then all three storm back with massive #1 hits and Guy Mitchell will join them by the year end as a final snub to popular music's newer trends.

The absolutely horrendous Tonight You Belong To Me by Patience and Prudence makes the chart, heaven knows who bought that trash !

[Robbie]

I didn't know the Patience and Prudence song until now. What a dreadful song!

[Graham76man]

I didn't know the Patience and Prudence song until now. What a dreadful song!

Your definitely in the minority there Robbie, 205,000 likes on YouTube and not one dislike!

[kingofskiffle]

Your definitely in the minority there Robbie, 205,000 likes on YouTube and not one dislike!

Robbie - go find it on youtube and add a dislike!

[MrTibbs]

Your definitely in the minority there Robbie, 205,000 likes on YouTube and not one dislike!

Probably Patience and Prudence 'liked' it 205,000 times. Everyone else just ignored it because they already knew how awful it was

[MrTibbs]

Robbie - go find it on youtube and add a dislike!

I beat Robbie to it. I have added a 'dislike' . From the comments it's both loved and loathed, no in-between, I'm in the latter category.

[Graham76man]

It's quite tame at the side of Jonathan King's version of Mississippi!

[Robbie]

Your definitely in the minority there Robbie, 205,000 likes on YouTube and not one dislike!

YouTube reset the Dislike count for (all?) videos on their website a couple of weeks ago as an "experiment". Apparently some people can see them, some can't see them and some can only see the dislike count since the count was reset to 0. I'm seeing 117 Dislike's so I'm assuming I'm in the third category...

[Graham76man]

I really hate YouTube. It's become a big corporate site, telling users what to do all the time and endless propaganda under the pretence of saying it's factual. I guess they used the reset to zero to make the propaganda videos look good. They probably had more dislikes than likes! Strange that they didn't tell any users, such as me they were going to reset the dislike to zero. I think they removed a lot of comments from videos too. I was looking at the David Essex one I did years ago and there were a lot less comments on it. Including a great one, from some woman telling another woman to get her mother to watch the David video as it would bring her out of the menopause!

On my blog I'm slowing phasing out any YouTube videos, because they just keep vanishing all the time. As long as you resize any video to under 100mb they can be upload direct to the site. And can't be removed.

[Splodj]

Angel Radio has the NME Top 30 from 30-Nov-57 at 12.40 today. They go in anniversary rotation, so it was 23-Nov-56 last week and should be 7-Dec-58 next week

Then at 4.20 they have the Colin Brown Top 30 from 27-Mar-44. The first 8 1940s Top 30s starting with 8th July 1940 are at ...
https://www.angelradio.co.uk/listenagain
... but I don't know for how long.

[MrTibbs]

Great find Splodj. I'm definitely gonna give that a spin

[Graham76man]

The only problem with the Brown book is that he often lists the B side of a record, but it was the A side that was the hit and often a version of song in the sheet music chart. I hope that the radio station has worked that one out, otherwise they will be playing songs that even 80 to 90 year olds won't remember! Sometimes it's the most obvious ones that he lists to. For example the Brunswick label actually put A and B on the sides. Not all companies did that. Bing Crosby was on that label and thanks to a deceased uncle, I have a number of the 78's from him dating to the early forties. That's when I first noticed that he was putting in the B sides.

[MrTibbs]

The only problem with the Brown book is that he often lists the B side of a record, but it was the A side that was the hit and often a version of song in the sheet music chart. I hope that the radio station has worked that one out, otherwise they will be playing songs that even 80 to 90 year olds won't remember! Sometimes it's the most obvious ones that he lists to. For example the Brunswick label actually put A and B on the sides. Not all companies did that. Bing Crosby was on that label and thanks to a deceased uncle, I have a number of the 78's from him dating to the early forties. That's when I first noticed that he was putting in the B sides.

I totally agree there Graham. He defo got a lot of the sides mixed up. We also need to remember the book is good to some extent but it was a list of records ordered and not sold. A big difference in chart land.

[Graham76man]

I find it hard to believe too that his lists stop within a few weeks of the first NME chart being done. He said he stopped them due to the new music (which he didn't like) coming out. But it would have only have been on the small scale in 1952 surely? I reckon he got wind of the NME chart coming out and stopped them then. It's a pity he didn't wait while the end of the year. Because the first NME charts were slow with the uptake of new hits. And his books had 10 to 15 new entries a month, before they stopped. It would have made a great comparison.

[kingofskiffle]

I think that’s why he stopped the book! I am sure he would have this for a few years after (think it says so in the introduction to some extent - years since I’ve read that) but the OCC would have stopped him so as not to do something ‘better’ than there’s.

[Robbie]

It would have been good to see his charts for 1953, to compare them to the NME chart.

[kjell]

This puzzles me. Does the OCC have any legal right to stop others from doing charts in Britain? In accordance with Western law I believe they only could stop him from publishing their own.

[kingofskiffle]

Yes but I think they may have asked him not to go beyond and he may have agreed. I need to re read the intro to the book

[Splodj]

It may have been a condition of the OCC giving the book their blessing.

Can't the A-side can be identified by having the lower catalogue number?