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  • Yes really looking forward to it - but we have this for now, and I’m enjoying the 1950’s. Looking forward to 1957 when Mr D gets most of his number 1’s.
    http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
    Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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    • So MM is splitting 'Hound Dog' / 'Don't Be Cruel'. Are they all doing this and, if so, is it preventing Elvis from being number one?

      (Re Top 50s, ones for the 60s would also be interesting using MM and RR and perhaps even a lowly weighted Music Echo. There were some excellent records in the lower reaches then. Obviously the MM Top 50 period would be the most robust. Not that I am wishing any more work on anyone, just saying I would like to see it!)

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      • I’ve made chartruns of what you’ve done so far on RM dealers charts Brian. It’s a taste of what will come and has refueled my enthusiasm.

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        • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
          So MM is splitting 'Hound Dog' / 'Don't Be Cruel'. Are they all doing this and, if so, is it preventing Elvis from being number one?
          RM will also split Hound Dog/Don't Be Cruel but at best 'Cruel' only ever hovered around the bottom ten of the UAC so didn't really impact much on the outcome at the top. Also given that the combined sides on NME peaked at #2 and failed to reach the top was also a strong indicator that even combined in all charts it would at best be a strong #2.

          1957 is going to be kind to Lonnie Donegan but even kinder to Elvis. Also I have a surprise, a first, on the UAC to unleash on you all by the end of 1956 so watch this space
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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          • Oohhh surprises. I like those.
            http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
            Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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              Hee Hee !

          • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 10th 1956

            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 10th 1956 NME MM RM Total
            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
            3 1 Just Walking In The Rain - Johnnie Ray 2 1 1 4285
            1 2 A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine 1 2 2 4270
            2 3 Hound Dog - Elvis Presley (A) 2 3 3 4125
            7 4 My Prayer - The Platters 4 4 6 3795
            9 5 More - Jimmy Young 6 6 4 3745
            5 6 Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets 5 7 5 3730
            4 7 Lay Down Your Arms - Anne Shelton 6 5 7 3585
            6 8 Giddy-Up-A-Ding-Dong - Freddie Bell and The Bell Boys 8 9 8 3315
            8 9 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 8 10 9 3235
            13 10 More - Perry Como (A) 10 13 11 2925
            10 11 When Mexico Gave Up The Rumba - Mitchell Torok 13 8 10 2890
            22 12 The Green Door - Jim Lowe 14 15 13 2505
            20 13 Make It A Party - Winifred Atwell 11 18 18 2340
            12 14 Rock With The Caveman - Tommy Steele 17 17 13 2270
            16 15 Only You - The Platters (B) 14 17 2188
            18 16 Blue Jean Bop - Gene Vincent 16 12 2115
            NEW 17 Green Door- Frankie Vaughan 20 11 15 2075
            NEW 18 Rip It Up - Bill Haley and His Comets 21 19 16 1790
            11 19 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 15 20 1700
            15 20 Love Me As Though There Were No Tomorrow - Nat King Cole 12 15 1555
            26 21 Don't Be Cruel - Elvis Presley (B) 11 19 1120
            19 22 Autumn Concerto - The Melachrino Orchestra 18 845
            14 23 Ying Tong Song / Bloodnok's Rock'n'Roll Call - The Goons 22 585
            23 24 I'm In Love Again - Fats Domino 24 455
            17 25 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 25 390
            NEW 26 In The Middle Of The House - Jimmy Parkinson 26 325
            29 27 A House With Love In It - Vera Lynn 27 260
            RE 28 Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan (A) 20 220
            NEW 29 Tonight You Belong To Me - Patience and Prudence 28 195
            NEW 30 Two Different Worlds - Ronnie Hilton 29 130
            Only You / The Great Pretender - The Platters 18
            Bring A Little Water Sylvie / Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan 23
            Rock'n'Roll Stage Show (LP) - Bill Haley and His Comets 30
            21 Bring A Little Water Sylvie - Lonnie Donegan (B)
            24 Razzle Dazzle - Bill Haley and His Comets
            24 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets
            27 In The Middle Of The House - Alma Cogan
            28 A Woman In Love - The Four Aces
            30 Glendora - Perry Como (B)
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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            • In the midst of the onslaught of the 'Rock' era bandwagon along comes MOR Johnnie Ray scoring a monster #1 and Elvis as a result is denied that position for the second time this year.

              It had appeared by the middle of this year that those stalwarts of the early fifties Doris Day, Frankie Laine and Johnnie Ray had, had their day then all three storm back with massive #1 hits and Guy Mitchell will join them by the year end as a final snub to popular music's newer trends.

              The absolutely horrendous Tonight You Belong To Me by Patience and Prudence makes the chart, heaven knows who bought that trash !
              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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              • I didn't know the Patience and Prudence song until now. What a dreadful song!

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                • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                  I didn't know the Patience and Prudence song until now. What a dreadful song!
                  Your definitely in the minority there Robbie, 205,000 likes on YouTube and not one dislike!
                  Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                  • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

                    Your definitely in the minority there Robbie, 205,000 likes on YouTube and not one dislike!
                    Robbie - go find it on youtube and add a dislike!
                    http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                    Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                    • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

                      Your definitely in the minority there Robbie, 205,000 likes on YouTube and not one dislike!
                      Probably Patience and Prudence 'liked' it 205,000 times. Everyone else just ignored it because they already knew how awful it was
                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                      • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post

                        Robbie - go find it on youtube and add a dislike!
                        I beat Robbie to it. I have added a 'dislike' . From the comments it's both loved and loathed, no in-between, I'm in the latter category.
                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                        • It's quite tame at the side of Jonathan King's version of Mississippi!
                          Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                          • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

                            Your definitely in the minority there Robbie, 205,000 likes on YouTube and not one dislike!
                            YouTube reset the Dislike count for (all?) videos on their website a couple of weeks ago as an "experiment". Apparently some people can see them, some can't see them and some can only see the dislike count since the count was reset to 0. I'm seeing 117 Dislike's so I'm assuming I'm in the third category...

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                            • I really hate YouTube. It's become a big corporate site, telling users what to do all the time and endless propaganda under the pretence of saying it's factual. I guess they used the reset to zero to make the propaganda videos look good. They probably had more dislikes than likes! Strange that they didn't tell any users, such as me they were going to reset the dislike to zero. I think they removed a lot of comments from videos too. I was looking at the David Essex one I did years ago and there were a lot less comments on it. Including a great one, from some woman telling another woman to get her mother to watch the David video as it would bring her out of the menopause!

                              On my blog I'm slowing phasing out any YouTube videos, because they just keep vanishing all the time. As long as you resize any video to under 100mb they can be upload direct to the site. And can't be removed.
                              Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                              • Angel Radio has the NME Top 30 from 30-Nov-57 at 12.40 today. They go in anniversary rotation, so it was 23-Nov-56 last week and should be 7-Dec-58 next week

                                Then at 4.20 they have the Colin Brown Top 30 from 27-Mar-44. The first 8 1940s Top 30s starting with 8th July 1940 are at ...
                                https://www.angelradio.co.uk/listenagain
                                ... but I don't know for how long.

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                                • Great find Splodj. I'm definitely gonna give that a spin
                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                  • The only problem with the Brown book is that he often lists the B side of a record, but it was the A side that was the hit and often a version of song in the sheet music chart. I hope that the radio station has worked that one out, otherwise they will be playing songs that even 80 to 90 year olds won't remember! Sometimes it's the most obvious ones that he lists to. For example the Brunswick label actually put A and B on the sides. Not all companies did that. Bing Crosby was on that label and thanks to a deceased uncle, I have a number of the 78's from him dating to the early forties. That's when I first noticed that he was putting in the B sides.
                                    Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                    • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                                      The only problem with the Brown book is that he often lists the B side of a record, but it was the A side that was the hit and often a version of song in the sheet music chart. I hope that the radio station has worked that one out, otherwise they will be playing songs that even 80 to 90 year olds won't remember! Sometimes it's the most obvious ones that he lists to. For example the Brunswick label actually put A and B on the sides. Not all companies did that. Bing Crosby was on that label and thanks to a deceased uncle, I have a number of the 78's from him dating to the early forties. That's when I first noticed that he was putting in the B sides.
                                      I totally agree there Graham. He defo got a lot of the sides mixed up. We also need to remember the book is good to some extent but it was a list of records ordered and not sold. A big difference in chart land.
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                      • I find it hard to believe too that his lists stop within a few weeks of the first NME chart being done. He said he stopped them due to the new music (which he didn't like) coming out. But it would have only have been on the small scale in 1952 surely? I reckon he got wind of the NME chart coming out and stopped them then. It's a pity he didn't wait while the end of the year. Because the first NME charts were slow with the uptake of new hits. And his books had 10 to 15 new entries a month, before they stopped. It would have made a great comparison.
                                        Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                        • I think that’s why he stopped the book! I am sure he would have this for a few years after (think it says so in the introduction to some extent - years since I’ve read that) but the OCC would have stopped him so as not to do something ‘better’ than there’s.
                                          http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                                          Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                          • It would have been good to see his charts for 1953, to compare them to the NME chart.

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                                            • This puzzles me. Does the OCC have any legal right to stop others from doing charts in Britain? In accordance with Western law I believe they only could stop him from publishing their own.

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                                              • Yes but I think they may have asked him not to go beyond and he may have agreed. I need to re read the intro to the book
                                                http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                                                Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                                • It may have been a condition of the OCC giving the book their blessing.

                                                  Can't the A-side can be identified by having the lower catalogue number?

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