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  • Splodj
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    My memory of WH Smith at this time was that they had the Top 20 in a special display rack. I imagine this was to make purchasing easier, as you could put your favourite record in the basket with whatever else you were buying, and to encourage impulse buying. I wonder if it was the Top Pops chart that they used for the display.

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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Just to compare/contrast this momentous week of Ult-BBC-NME-MM-RR versus the Top Pops/Music Now chart, the Top 7 on that were:

    2-1-2-3-2 . vs. 1 . The Bee Gees - I've Gotta Get A Message To You
    4-4-1-5-5 . vs. 2 . Tom Jones - Help Yourself
    7-7-6-7-8 . vs. 3 . Aretha Franklin - I Say A Little Prayer
    1-1-3-1-3 . vs. 4 . Herb Alpert - This Guy's In Love With You
    5-5-5-6-4 . vs. 5 . Tommy James and The Shondells - Mony Mony
    3-1-4-2-1 . vs. 6 . The Beach Boys - Do It Again
    6-6-7-4-6 . vs. 7 . The Crazy World of Arthur Brown - Fire

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Ok. So this is the week that was the main catalyst for change in music chart history.
    3 records tie at #1 on the BBC solely points based chart, however, The Ultimate Averaged Chart places Herb Alpert on top of the stack as the dealer returns break the tie in his favour.
    In fairness the Bee Gees time will come as they will claim #1 as their own next week but for this week as you can see across the charts there was no way their record could possibly be #1 as it did not hold that position on any one individual chart, being 2, 3, and 2. It was a fluke because of BBC methodology based solely on counting points that it was given that enviable position.
    The Beach Boys fall behind the Bee Gees so #1 was never really theirs either. So that leaves Herb Alpert as the outright winner for that week.

    Also, I mentioned a few posts back that two classic records still to chart in 1968 should have been #1's as they stand out as classics to this day.
    Into the chart this week comes the first of the two, the brilliant haunting Jesamine by The Casuals. Oh the injustice !

    There are 11 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    So, Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 31st 1968. Enjoy

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 31st 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    4 1 This Guy's In Love With You - Herb Alpert 1= 3 1 3 15480
    8 2 I've Gotta Get A Message To You - The Bee Gees 1= 2 3 2 15265
    5 3 Do It Again - The Beach Boys 1= 4 2 1 15200
    3 4 Help Yourself - Tom Jones 4 1 5 5 14710
    1 5 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 5 5 6 4 13745
    2 6 Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 6 7 4 6 13675
    16 7 I Say A Little Prayer - Aretha Franklin 7 6 7 8 12955
    13 8 High In The Sky - Amen Corner 8 8 8 7 12390
    6 9 Sunshine Girl - Herman's Hermits 9 9 9 9 11770
    7 10 I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield 12 12 10 13 10580
    11 11 Dance To The Music - Sly and The Family Stone 10 10 13 10 10485
    18 12 Hold Me Tight - Johnny Nash 11 11 12 11 10450
    12 13 Keep On - Bruce Channel 13 15 11 12 9815
    17 14 On The Road Again - Canned Heat 14 13 14 16 9125
    9 15 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 15 14 16 14 8595
    10 16 Mrs. Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel 16 16 15 17 8190
    14 17 Days - The Kinks 17 17 17 15 7660
    28 18 Dream A Little Dream Of Me - Mama Cass 18 18 18 18 6955
    15 19 Last Night In Soho - Dave dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 19 22 19 20 5735
    21 20 Hard To Handle - Otis Redding 20 23 21 19 5120
    24 21 Your Time Hasn't Come Yet Baby - Elvis Presley 21 19 24 22 4915
    29 22 Lady Willpower - Gary Puckett and The Union Gap 22 24 22 21 4500
    27 23 Dream A Little Dream Of Me - Anita Harris 25 21 23 4000
    19 24 The Universal - The Small Faces 24 29 20 23 3830
    NEW 25 Jesamine - The Casuals 23 20 28 24 3545
    20 26 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 26 25 26 1925
    RE 27 America - The Nice 27 26 25 1760
    NEW 28 Eleanor Rigby - Ray Charles 30 25 1200
    NEW 29 Voices In The Sky - The Moody Blues 28 27 28 1055
    22 30 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 27 1000
    We Can Help You - Alan Bown 26 1000
    Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O.C. Smith 29 28 27 940
    Baby Come Back - The Equals 29 29 670
    Laurel And Hardy - The Equals 30 30 450
    Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    It's THE week for the chart following this, the infamous BBC 3 way tie at #1, but The Ultimate Averaged Chart doesn't have a tie, it has an outright winner

    There are 16 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 24th 1968.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 24th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 1 2 1 1 15850
    2 2 Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 2 3 2 2 15315
    3 3 Help Yourself - Tom Jones 3= 1 4 5 14960
    4 4 This Guy's In Love With You - Herb Alpert 3= 4 3 3 14780
    13 5 Do It Again - The Beach Boys 8 6 5 4 13795
    8 6 Sunshine Girl - Herman's Hermits 5 7 6 8 13005
    5 7 I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield 6 8 7 6 12725
    15 8 I've Gotta Get A Message To You - The Bee Gees 7 5 11 7 12240
    7 9 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 9 9 9 12 11515
    6 10 Mrs. Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel 10 11 8 11 11450
    11 11 Dance To The Music - Sly and The Family Stone 11 10 12 10 10735
    10 12 Keep On - Bruce Channel 13 14 10 13 10180
    16 13 High In The Sky - Amen Corner 12 12 14 9 9920
    12 14 Days - The Kinks 14 16 13 14 8945
    9 15 Last Night In Soho - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 15 15 15 15 8560
    22 16 I Say A Little Prayer - Aretha Franklin 16 13 16 17 8540
    23 17 On The Road Again - Canned Heat 17 17 17 16 7575
    26 18 Hold Me Tight - Johnny Nash 18 18 18 20 6785
    19 19 The Universal - The Small Faces 19 19 20 19 6170
    14 20 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 20 20 19 27 5540
    28 21 Hard To Handle - Otis Redding 22 23 22 23 4530
    17 22 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 21 27 21 18 4405
    20 23 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 23 22 27 22 3565
    24 24 Your Time Hasn't Come Yet Baby - Elvis Presley 24 24 25 24 3495
    18 25 Baby Come Back - The Equals 23 21 2850
    21 26 Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham 25 28 24 26 2775
    NEW 27 Dream A Little Dream Of Me - Anita Harris 27 21 28 2750
    NEW 28 Dream A Little Dream Of Me - Mama Cass 26 25 26 28 2705
    NEW 29 Lady Willpower - Gary Puckett and The Union Gap 28 26 29 30 1585
    27 30 Gotta See Jane - R. Dean Taylor 29 25 510
    We Can Help You - Alan Bown 30= 29 400
    America - The Nice 30 250
    C'Mon Marianne - Grapefruit 30 200
    Voices In The Sky - The Moody Blues 30= 29 170

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  • Graham76man
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    The fact that Record Retailer doesn't have Tommy top shows how badly distributed the record was. You sometimes pick up on these point based charts. What should have been top for several more weeks is let down by pressing issues. Probably not major ones, as that would show in all the charts. It's a side effect of the charts, tell everybody a record is top and you soon run out of copies! But shops will say it's top, but as they don't say how many they have sold, when you add them all up they haven't shifted that many.
    Looking at these charts combined sometimes explains why things happened in the Real Chart list of Number Ones, when I haven't done the full charts yet. But this is a period when the chart had a list of one week chart toppers. Starting with Arthur after the two run of Tommy and before he tops RR. Then Richard Harris, who was at 10! (Woolies know doubt there) Simon and Garfunkel, then Beach Boys and Bee Gees, before the Beatles end the run.

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  • MrTibbs
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    and there's so many more standout discs to come before the end of the year including 2 classics, that like Ultravox many years later, should have been #1's .
    I will identify them as they chart although you all probably have a good idea of what they were already
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Sat November 21, 2020, 12:30.

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  • Robbie
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    Yes, an absolute classic song from Aretha Franklin. I hadn't noticed that 'Gotta See Jane' by R.Dean Taylor is in the UAC 30. I love that record too. Plus, Tom Jones apart, the top 6 is great too. 'Days' too by The Kinks. In fact the list of great songs is quite long.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    1968 keeps getting better, 2 stonking new entries this week from Johnny Nash and Aretha Franklin, mmmmmmmmm.

    There are a huge 18 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 17th 1968.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 17th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 1 1 1 2 15965
    2 2 Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 2 3 2 1 15400
    6 3 Help Yourself - Tom Jones 4 2 3 9 14670
    7 4 This Guy's In Love With You - Herb Alpert 3 4 4 3 14530
    4 5 I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield 5 6 5 4 13795
    3 6 Mrs. Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel 7 8 6 6 12975
    5 7 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 6 5 9 5 12910
    9 8 Sunshine Girl - Herman's Hermits 8 7 7 8 12755
    8 9 Last Night In Soho - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 9 9 8 10 11935
    16 10 Keep On - Bruce Channel 11= 11 10 14 10695
    12 11 Dance To The Music - Sly and The Family Stone 10 10 14 7 10490
    15 12 Days - The Kinks 13 14 10 12 10265
    17 13 Do It Again - The Beach Boys 11= 12 12 11 10250
    10 14 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 15 17 13 15 8660
    23 15 I've Gotta Get A Message To You - The Bee Gees 14 14 18 13 8180
    22 16 High In The Sky - Amen Corner 16 13 19 17 7790
    14 17 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 18 19 15 18 7505
    11 18 Baby Come Back - The Equals 17 18 17 16 7375
    18 19 The Universal - The Small Faces 19 20 16 20 6885
    13 20 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 21 21 20 21 5600
    21 21 Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham 20 22 21 19 5320
    NEW 22 I Say A Little Prayer - Aretha Franklin 22 16 26 26 4675
    30 23 On The Road Again - Canned Heat 23 24 24 27 3490
    29 24 Your Time Hasn't Come Yet Baby - Elvis Presley 24 23 23 2680
    20 25 Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls 27 23 28 2350
    NEW 26 Hold Me Tight - Johnny Nash 28 22 2250
    25 27 Gotta See Jane - R. Dean Taylor 25 29 27 22 2165
    27 28 Hard To Handle - Otis Redding 26 25 30 24 2045
    19 29 Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration 29 25 28 1755
    24 30 My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 30 29 25 1010
    Laurel And Hardy - The Equals 26 1000
    Dream A Little Dream Of Me - Anita Harris 27 800
    Lady Willpower - Gary Puckett and The Union Gap 28 600
    One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim 30 30 285
    Angel Of The Morning - P. P. Arnold 29 170

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    .. The Bee Gees are the last to enter the battlefield !

    There are 13 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 10th 1968.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 10th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 1 1 1 1 16050
    3 2 Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 2 2 2 2 15515
    6 3 Mrs. Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel 3 5 4 4 14245
    8 4 I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield 5 6 3 6 14125
    2 5 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 4 3 7 3 13980
    10 6 Help Yourself - Tom Jones 6= 4 6 7 13690
    7 7 This Guy's In Love With You - Herb Alpert 6= 7 5 5 13510
    12 8 Last Night In Soho - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 8 8 9 9 11970
    14 9 Sunshine Girl - Herman's Hermits 10 10 8 10 11735
    4 10 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 9 9 10 8 11605
    5 11 Baby Come Back - The Equals 11 12 12 11 10250
    15 12 Dance To The Music - Sly and The Family Stone 12 11 13 12 10115
    11 13 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 14 15 11 16 9475
    9 14 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 13 13 14 13 9380
    16 15 Days - The Kinks 15 14 15 15 8760
    20 16 Keep On - Bruce Channel 16 16 16 14 8195
    25 17 Do It Again - The Beach Boys 17 17 17 17 7490
    18 18 The Universal - The Small Faces 18 18 18 18 6955
    13 19 Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration 19 19 19 20 6335
    19 20 Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls 21 20 21 22 5465
    23 21 Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham 20 23 20 19 5370
    NEW 22 High In The Sky - Amen Corner 22 22 23 23 4480
    NEW 23 I've Gotta Get A Message To You - The Bee Gees 23 21 25 27 3840
    17 24 My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 25 25 24 26 3375
    22 25 Gotta See Jane - R. Dean Taylor 24 30 22 21 3300
    21 26 Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles 26 26 26 24 2845
    NEW 27 Hard To Handle - Otis Redding 28 24 29 1900
    24 28 One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim 27 27 25 1510
    NEW 29 Your Time Hasn't Come yet Baby - Elvis Presley 29 27 30 28 1305
    NEW 30 On The Road Again - Canned Heat 30 28 29 920
    America - The Nice 28 600
    Here Comes The Judge - Shorty Long 29 400
    Angel Of The Morning - P. P. Arnold 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    .. and as Herb climbs in come The Beach Boys, August 31st confrontation gets under way !

    There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 3rd 1968.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 3rd 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 1 1 1 1 16050
    2 2 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 2 3 2 2 15315
    7 3 Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 3 2 4 3 14930
    6 4 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 4 7 3 4 14095
    3 5 Baby Come Back - The Equals 6 6 5 6 13625
    10 6 Mrs. Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel 5 4 7 5 13610
    9 7 This Guy's In Love With You - Herb Alpert 7 5 6 11 13150
    11 8 I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield 8 9 9 7 11940
    5 9 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 9 10 8 10 11735
    13 10 Help Yourself - Tom Jones 10 8 10 12 11465
    4 11 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 11 11 11 9 10870
    14 12 Last Night In Soho - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 12 12 12 8 10505
    8 13 Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration 13 13 13 13 9630
    25 14 Sunshine Girl - Herman's Hermits 14 14 14 15 9010
    24 15 Dance To The Music - Sly and The Family Stone 15 15 16 14 8395
    28 16 Days - The Kinks 17 17 17 19 7320
    12 17 My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 18 19 15 21 7250
    21 18 The Universal - The Small Faces 16 16 20 16 7025
    18 19 Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls 19 18 19 22 6365
    26 20 Keep On - Bruce Channel 20 19 23 18 5505
    15 21 Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles 22 23 18 24 5445
    22 22 Gotta See Jane - R. Dean Taylor 21 25 21 17 4890
    30 23 Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham 23 22 24 20 4485
    17 24 One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim 24 24 22 23 4330
    NEW 25 Do It Again - The Beach Boys 25 21 27 26 3425
    20 26 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 26 28 25 25 2610
    16 27 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 28 29 26 28 1905
    19 28 Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 27 27 28 27 1890
    NEW 29 America - The Nice 29 26 1000
    27 30 Young Girl - The Union Gap 30 29 29 670
    Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 30 250
    Love Grows - Gene Pitney 30 200
    Here Comes The Judge - Shorty Long 30 85

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  • braindeadpj
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Yeah Brain, I first looked to see if they could be split using MM positions but neither was on the MM chart, so I moved to the RR chart, Sue was 33 Dusty still hadn't entered their Top 50 so Sue got the higher ranking.

    It's difficult to conclude how the BBC split them as the BBC kept changing the rules on splitting ties. Both were technically climbing so heaven knows why the BBC ranked Dusty higher. I can see no logic in it, but then I see no logic in many of the errors the BBC made in their chart down the years.
    Thank you for confirming how you split them.
    Looking at the previous weeks Top 30 charts, Dusty was a new entry on NME this week, while Sue was climbing from 27, the BBC probably considered a new entry a greater improvement from last week than a climber...That may have been their reasoning..... or of course it could be something else entirely!
    Last edited by braindeadpj; Fri November 20, 2020, 04:52.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    So is 'I Pretend' by Des O'Connor (R.I.P.) another RR only number 1?
    Yes RR got that wrong completely. The Real Chart also agrees with the others on Tommy being top, though he looses it next week, but Des does get to the top with 1,2,3 O'Leary at the start of December 1968, but I would be surprised if the other charts agree with that.

    Did you know that the Equals top seller took over a year to make the chart!
    Check out the release date on 45 Cat.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah Robbie, it only made No 1 on RR.

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  • Robbie
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    So is 'I Pretend' by Des O'Connor (R.I.P.) another RR only number 1?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 16 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 27th 1968.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 27th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    6 1 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 1 1 1 2 15965
    3 2 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 2 3 2 1 15400
    1 3 Baby Come Back - The Equals 3 2 3 3 15180
    2 4 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 5 4 5 6 14025
    4 5 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 4 6 4 5 13960
    7 6 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 6 6 6 4 13545
    10 7 Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 7 5 7 8 13155
    5 8 Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration 8 8 8 7 12390
    15 9 This Guy's In Love With You - Herb Alpert 9 9 9 9 11770
    19 10 Mrs. Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel 10 10 10 10 11235
    18 11 I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield 11 12 13 11 10000
    8 12 My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 12 13 12 13 9880
    24 13 Help Yourself - Tom Jones 14 11 11 22 9765
    23 14 Last Night In Soho - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 13 14 14 12 9265
    14 15 Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles 15 15 15 14 8645
    9 16 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 17 16 17 19 7520
    16 17 One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim 16 20 16 15 7310
    20 18 Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls 18 17 21 17 6490
    11 19 Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 20 18 19 26 6025
    12 20 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 19 25 18 16 5725
    26 21 The Universal - The Small Faces 21 23 23 18 4705
    22 22 Gotta See Jane - R. Dean Taylor 22 26 20 20 4685
    13 23 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 25 26 22 24 3845
    NEW 24 Dance To The Music - Sly and The Family Stone 23 19 28 23 3830
    NEW 25 Sunshine Girl - Herman's Hermits 26 21 25 29 3670
    28 26 Keep On - Bruce Channel 24 24 26 21 3500
    17 27 Young Girl - The Union Gap 30 30 24 25 2460
    29 28 Days - The Kinks 27 22 29 2300
    21 29 D. W. Washburn - The Monkees 28 27 27 1340
    NEW 30 Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham 29 28 30 28 1105
    Some Things You Never Get Used To - Diana Ross and The Supremes 29 400
    I'll Love You Forever Today - Cliff Richard 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah Brain, I first looked to see if they could be split using MM positions but neither was on the MM chart, so I moved to the RR chart, Sue was 33 Dusty still hadn't entered their Top 50 so Sue got the higher ranking.

    It's difficult to conclude how the BBC split them as the BBC kept changing the rules on splitting ties. Both were technically climbing so heaven knows why the BBC ranked Dusty higher. I can see no logic in it, but then I see no logic in many of the errors the BBC made in their chart down the years.

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  • braindeadpj
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    For the July 6th chart, numbers 29 and 30 had the same points from both being no.24 in NME. Did you split them based on RR placing as MM no longer goes below 30? Also how did the BBC split them?
    Last edited by braindeadpj; Thu November 19, 2020, 16:34.

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  • Splodj
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    Dave Dee etc's last top 10 hit, which epitomises the mischievous fun of Howard / Blaikley compositions for them.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 15 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 20th 1968.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 20th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Baby Come Back - The Equals 1 1 1 1 16050
    2 2 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O . C. Smith 2 2 2 2 15515
    3 3 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 3 3 3 3 14980
    6 4 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 5 6 4 5 13960
    5 5 Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration 4 4 6 4 13945
    12 6 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 6 5 5 6 13825
    13 7 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 7 7 7 7 12840
    10 8 My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 8 8 8 10 12135
    4 9 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 10 11 10 9 11120
    16 10 Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 9 9 13 8 10855
    9 11 Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 12 10 11 14 10645
    8 12 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 13 15 9 11 10400
    7 13 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 11 12 11 20 9735
    14 14 Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles 14 17 15 12 8415
    22 15 This Guy's In Love With You - Herb Alpert 15 13 18 16 8125
    15 16 One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim 16 20 14 14 7895
    11 17 Young Girl - The Union Gap 17 18 16 15 7710
    23 18 I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield 19 14 17 22 7665
    NEW 19 Mrs. Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel 18 16 20 17 6940
    19 20 Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls 20 19 21 19 5920
    17 21 D. W. Washburn - The Monkees 22 24 19 21 5250
    25 22 Gotta See Jane - R. Dean Taylor 21 22 22 18 5155
    29 23 Last Night In Soho - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 23 21 26 24 3845
    NEW 24 Help Yourself - Tom Jones 24 22 24 28 3805
    18 25 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 26 22 26 2675
    NEW 26 The Universal - The Small Faces 25 27 27 23 2480
    21 27 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 27 25 25 2010
    NEW 28 Keep On - Bruce Channel 28 26 28 29 1920
    NEW 29 Days - The Kinks 29 25 1200
    NEW 30 Some Things You Never Get Used To - Diana Ross and The Supremes 28 600
    What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 29 500
    America - The Nice 29 400
    Dance To The Music - Sly and The Family Stone 30 27 340
    I'll Love You Forever Today - Cliff Richard 30 30 335
    Your Time Hasn't Come Yet Baby - Elvis Presley 30 200

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Cliff Richard's I'll Love You Forever today is actually his best single of 1968, yet flounders in the bottom third of the chart. Shame.

    And !!! Here comes Herb Alpert into battle.

    There are a massive 17 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 13th 1968.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 13th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Baby Come Back - The Equals 1 1 1 1 16050
    3 2 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 2 2 2 2 15515
    5 3 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 3 3 3 3 14980
    2 4 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 4 4 4 5 14360
    11 5 Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration 5 5 5 4 13995
    10 6 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 7 6 6 9 13120
    4 7 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 6 7 7 6 12925
    6 8 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 9 9 8 10 11935
    9 9 Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 8 8 11 7 11640
    8 10 My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 10 10 10 8 11405
    7 11 Young Girl - The Union Gap 13 14 9 13 10430
    17 12 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 11 11 13 11 10200
    18 13 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 12 12 12 12 10165
    14 14 Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles 14 13 14 14 9295
    16 15 One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim 15 15 15 15 8560
    28 16 Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 16 16 20 18 6855
    22 17 D. W. Washburn - The Monkees 17 20 18 17 6640
    12 18 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 18 23 16 16 6625
    29 19 Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls 20 19 19 24 5995
    15 20 Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 19 21 21 19 5520
    13 21 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 21 26 17 20 5435
    NEW 22 This Guy's In Love With You - Herb Alpert 22 18 27 28 3855
    30 23 I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield 24 17 28 3550
    24 24 I'll Love You Forever Today - Cliff Richard 27 28 23 29 2770
    NEW 25 Gotta See Jane - R. Dean Taylor 23 22 30 23 2730
    19 26 Boy - Lulu 26 22 26 2675
    21 27 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 25 25 21 2350
    20 28 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 29 24 27 2090
    NEW 29 Last Night In Soho - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Touch 30= 25 29 30 1785
    27 30 Dogs - The Who 28 26 25 1760
    If You Don't Want My Love - Robert John 24 1400
    Mrs. Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel 27 800
    Keep On - Bruce Channel 30= 22 765
    Help Yourself - Tom Jones 29 400
    Some Things You Never Get used To - Diana Ross and The Supremes 29 400

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah membrane and Robbie, I'm a few months into compilation in 1960 and it's a bit of a culture shock going back from 1968. I was just a kid myself in 1960 so my memories of songs from that era mainly come from hearing the songs later on the radio etc.
    The innocence and simplicity of the era is the first thing thing that strikes me working with the songs.

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  • Robbie
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    Originally posted by membranemusic View Post
    Mr Tibbs: yes please I look forward to you proceeding with the UAC for 1960 to 1963! Strange and innocent times.
    Yes, it will be interesting to see the UAC from 1960 to 1963. I only know of the era from chart books and Pick Of The Pops but it's a fascinating time that is often overlooked due to those years falling after the rock n roll boom years and before Beatlemania and all that followed from that.

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  • membranemusic
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    Mr Tibbs: yes please I look forward to you proceeding with the UAC for 1960 to 1963! Strange and innocent times.

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  • membranemusic
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    In answer to Robbie, as well as others' comments, in my opinion the main reason why chart runs became longer in 67/68 is because of the influence of the fast pirate radio charts during 65/66/67. Once they were outlawed in 1967, everyone had to start thinking for themselves again!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Another 2 outstanding new entries this week further complimenting the 1968 Hall Of Fame. Arthur Brown's Fire, and Dusty's wistful I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten.

    There are 12 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 6th 1968.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 6th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Baby Come Back - The Equals 1 1 1 1 16050
    1 2 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 2 2 2 3 15430
    8 3 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 3 3 3 2 15065
    4 4 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 4 6 4 4 14045
    6 5 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 5 5 5 5 13910
    5 6 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 6 4 6 7 13690
    3 7 Young Girl - The Union Gap 8 7 7 10 12585
    11 8 My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 9 8 8 9 12220
    10 9 Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 7 9 9 6 12025
    17 10 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 11 11 10 11 10950
    15 11 Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration 10 10 13 8 10655
    7 12 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 12 12 12 13 10080
    9 13 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 13 13 11 16 9875
    18 14 Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles 14 14 16 12 8765
    12 15 Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 16 16 14 17 8440
    21 16 One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim 15 17 15 15 8160
    24 17 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 17 15 21 14 7145
    30 18 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 18 18 17 19 7120
    14 19 Boy - Lulu 19 19 18 18 6755
    20 20 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 21 23 19 22 5365
    13 21 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 22 21 20 25 5260
    26 22 D. W. Washburn - The Monkees 20 20 24 20 4885
    16 23 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 23 27 22 21 3900
    NEW 24 I'll Love You Forever Today - Cliff Richard 24 22 27 27 3140
    19 25 Joanna - Scott Walker 25 23 23 2680
    23 26 Time For Livin' - The Association 26 25 24 2095
    NEW 27 Dogs - The Who 27 26 26 1675
    NEW 28 Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 28 26 29 30 1585
    NEW 29 Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls 30 24 1400
    NEW 30 I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield 29 24 1400
    Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 28 750
    Gotta See Jane - R. Dean Taylor 28 600
    America - The Nice 29 400
    Helule Helule - The Tremeloes 28 255
    Think - Aretha Franklin 30 250
    U.S. Male - Elvis Presley 30 200
    White Horses - Jacky 29 170



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