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  • Splodj
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    Posters have suggested that NME were no longer counting advance orders, and these charts may be further evidence - although I realise that by now advance orders for Beatles records were not what they had been.

    Also I notice that when Sgt Pepper entered the LP charts at number one NME felt the need to explain how this had happened, and they said it was because the album had been released for sale in the week before the official release date of 1st June 1967 (indeed Wikipedia now says that the release date was 26-May) and I think it is significant they made no mention of advance orders.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 30th 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 30th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    6 1 Lady Madonna - The Beatles 1 1 2 1 15800
    2 2 Delilah - Tom Jones 2 2 1 2 15765
    1 3 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 3 3 3 4 14895
    5 4 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 4 4 4 3 14530
    3 5 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 5 5 6 5 13660
    11 6 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 6 6 5 6 13625
    4 7 Rosie - Don Partridge 7 8 7 7 12640
    20 8 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 8 7 8 8 12505
    7 9 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 9 9 9 9 11770
    9 10 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 10 10 11 11 10900
    15 11 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 11 11 10 12 10865
    14 12 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 12 12 13 10 10085
    8 13 Fire Brigade - The Move 13 13 12 13 9880
    12 14 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 14 14 14 15 9010
    17 15 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 15 15 16 14 8395
    10 16 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 16 16 15 16 8275
    13 17 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 17 18 17 17 7290
    NEW 18 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 18 17 18 18 7155
    21 19 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 19 19 19 19 6420
    27 20 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 20 22 20 20 5485
    NEW 21 Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons 21 23 24 21 4200
    NEW 22 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 23= 23 21 4100
    16 23 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 22 26 22 25 3760
    NEW 24 Valleri - The Monkees 25 20 25 3700
    NEW 25 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 23= 21 27 27 3340
    19 26 Words - The Bee Gees 27 30 23 24 2795
    22 27 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 26 28 26 22 2615
    23 28 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 29 25 30 29 1620
    18 29 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 28 28 23 1430
    30 30 Theme From 'Valley Of The Dolls' - Dionne Warwick 30 27 28 1055
    Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 29 26 925
    Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 29 30 485

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah Robbie. The Ofarims defended successfully for a 4th week on MM and NME and next week The Beatles will top all three charts.

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  • Robbie
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    Ah, so 'The Legend Of Xanadu' was only a Record Retailer number 1?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are a massive18 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 23rd 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 23rd 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 1 1 1 2 15965
    4 2 Delilah - Tom Jones 3 3 2 3 15230
    2 3 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 2 2 4 1 15100
    3 4 Rosie - Don Partridge 4 4 6 4 13945
    7 5 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 5 5 5 5 13910
    NEW 6 Lady Madonna - The Beatles 6 6 3 11 13700
    6 7 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 7 7 7 6 12925
    5 8 Fire Brigade - The Move 8 8 8 7 12390
    12 9 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 9 9 9 9 11770
    8 10 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 10 10 11 8 11155
    16 11 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 11 11 10 10 11035
    10 12 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 12 12 12 12 10165
    11 13 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 13 13 13 14 9545
    26 14 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 14 14 17 13 8430
    28 15 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 17 16 14 22 8015
    9 16 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 15 17 16 15 7910
    17 17 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 16 18 15 17 7790
    13 18 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 19 21 18 19 6270
    14 19 Words - The Bee Gees 18 20 20 16 6225
    NEW 20 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 22 15 19 6200
    21 21 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 20 19 21 20 5835
    15 22 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 21 22 22 18 5155
    20 23 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 24 24 24 25 3660
    24 24 Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 23 23 27 21 3450
    18 25 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 27 28 26 26 2275
    NEW 26 Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 25 25 23 2180
    NEW 27 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 28 23 29 2170
    19 28 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 26 27 28 24 2145
    27 29 Nevertheless - Frankie Vaughan 29 25 29 30 1785
    NEW 30 Theme From 'Valley Of The Dolls' - Dionne Warwick 26 1000
    Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 30 29 27 740
    No One Can Break A Heart Like You - The Dave Clark Five 28 255
    If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 30 250
    Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 30 200

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  • MrTibbs
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    Hi Brian. Disc and Music Echo's returns were by now (since August 1967 when DAME discontinued their own chart) already added to the MM tally of stores to produce the MM chart so the outcome would not differ.

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  • brian05
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    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 13th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Hello Goodbye - The Beatles 1 1 3 1 15550
    2 2 Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles 2 4 1 2 15365

    As a matter of interest (and mathematics) would these positions change if DAME is included as a 4th chart?
    Would a re-calculation result in the EP going to number one?

    PS your nice colour scheme did not copy across.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 16th 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 16th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 1 1 1 1 16050
    2 2 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 2 2 2 2 15515
    5 3 Rosie - Don Partridge 3 3 3 4 14895
    11 4 Delilah - Tom Jones 5 4 4 6 14275
    3 5 Fire Brigade - The Move 4 5 5 3 14080
    6 6 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 6 6 6 5 13460
    15 7 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 7 7 8 9 12420
    9 8 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 8 10 7 7 12240
    4 9 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 9 8 10 8 11805
    7 10 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 10 9 9 12 11515
    12 11 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 11 12 11 11 10500
    17 12 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 12 11 14 10 10035
    8 13 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 13 13 12 13 9880
    13 14 Words - The Bee Gees 15 15 13 15 9060
    10 15 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 14 14 15 14 8845
    26 16 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 16 16 19 17 7190
    23 17 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 18 17 18 21 6900
    14 18 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 17 22 16 16 6825
    16 19 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 19 21 17 18 6605
    20 20 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 20 19 20 19 6170
    21 21 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 21 18 23 24 5195
    18 22 Everlasting Love - The Love Affair 22 26 21 20 4435
    19 23 Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 23 24 22 22 4415
    27 24 Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 24 27 25 23 2980
    25 25 Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band 25 28 24 26 2775
    NEW 26 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 26 20 30 2285
    NEW 27 Nevertheless - Frankie Vaughan 27 25 30 29 1620
    NEW 28 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 28= 23 1600
    24 29 Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris 29 27 1400
    30 30 Little Girl - The Troggs 26 1250
    Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set 30 28 27 1090
    Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 28= 29 25 1010
    No One Can Break A Heart Like You - The Dave Clark Five 28 255
    No Face No Name No Number - Traffic 30 200

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  • MrTibbs
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    Guys, I have gone back and corrected the No 1 on July 15th 1967. I omitted to apply the rule that the record holding the #1 position on most charts would hold #1 on The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    As Procol Harum were #1 on both RR and Disc they have been placed at #1, the other two charts MM and NME were divided, MM opting for The Monkees, and NME opting for The Beatles.

    I have checked retrospectively and this is the only occasion this rule was not applied.
    Going forward the same situation will arise in November 1968, Barry Ryan will have most points due to being #1 on MM, but Hugo Montenegro will be placed at #1 as he holds #1 in both NME and RR.

    As you know I'm a stickler for accuracy and as some of you guys copy the charts I wanted to let you know about this amendment.

    Brian

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 6 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 9th 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 9th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 1 1 1 1 16050
    3 2 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 2 2 2 2 15515
    5 3 Fire Brigade - The Move 3 3 3 4 14895
    2 4 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 4 4 4 3 14530
    10 5 Rosie - Don Partridge 5 5 5 5 13910
    17 6 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 6 7 6 6 13175
    4 7 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 7 6 7 9 12870
    7 8 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 8 8 8 7 12390
    14 9 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 9 9 9 10 11685
    6 10 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 10 11 10 8 11205
    22 11 Delilah - Tom Jones 11 10 12 12 10565
    12 12 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 12 12 11 13 10330
    15 13 Words - The Bee Gees 13 14 14 11 9350
    9 14 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 15 16 13 16 8775
    23 15 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 14 15 15 14 8645
    11 16 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 16 17 16 15 7910
    26 17 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 17 13 19 20 7535
    8 18 Everlasting Love - The Love Affair 18 18 17 17 7290
    18 19 Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 19 19 18 19 6670
    13 20 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 20 20 21 18 5805
    24 21 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 21 21 24 23 4430
    19 22 Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set 22 25 22 21 4300
    28 23 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 23= 23 23 24 4195
    21 24 Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris 23= 22 25 27 3640
    16 25 Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band 25 30 20 25 3460
    25 26 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 26 24 28 26 2575
    30 27 Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 27 29 29 22 1665
    27 28 Today - Sandie Shaw 30 26 30 1335
    20 29 I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits 28 27 28 1255
    NEW 30 Little Girl - The Troggs 29 26 30 1250
    Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 27 800
    No Face No Name No Number - Traffic 28 600
    No One Can Break A Heart Like You - The Dave Clark Five 29 170

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 2nd 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 2nd 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 1 1 1 1 16050
    1 2 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 2 2 2 2 15515
    14 3 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 3 3 3 3 14980
    3 4 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 4 4 4 5 14360
    7 5 Fire Brigade - The Move 5 5 5 6 13825
    4 6 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 6 7 6 4 13345
    8 7 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 7 6 7 7 13040
    5 8 Everlasting Love - The Love Affair 8 8 9 9 11970
    6 9 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 9 9 8 10 11935
    18 10 Rosie - Don Partridge 10 10 10 14 10895
    10 11 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 11 12 11 12 10415
    12 12 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 12 11 12 16 10025
    9 13 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 15 14 14 13 9180
    19 14 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 14 15 15 11 8900
    13 15 Words - The Bee Gees 13 16 16 8 8705
    11 16 Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band 17 17 13 17 8490
    26 17 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 16 13 17 15 8460
    17 18 Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 18 18 18 19 6870
    15 19 Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set 19 19 19 18 6505
    16 20 I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits 20 22 20 20 5485
    20 21 Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris 21 20 21 23 5380
    NEW 22 Delilah - Tom Jones 24 21 22 4250
    27 23 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 22 23 24 21 4200
    NEW 24 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 23 25 25 24 3295
    25 25 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 25 27 26 26 2475
    NEW 26 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 26 24 27 2400
    22 27 Today - Sandie Shaw 27 23 28 2255
    NEW 28 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 29 26 28 1750
    21 29 Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny 30 29 25 1010
    NEW 30 Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 28 22 765
    Nevertheless - Frankie Vaughan 28 600
    Daydream Believer - The Monkees 30 29 420
    Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 29 400
    The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame 27 340
    Little Girl - The Troggs 30 200
    Valley Of The Dolls - Dionne Warwick 30 200
    Bend Me Shape Me - The American Breed 30 85


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  • MrTibbs
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    It won't go to #1 on The Ultimate Averaged Chart sadly as it only topped RR. It will peak at #2 as it did on MM and NME.

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  • Metalweb
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    Not only are the new entries by Louis, Donovan and Otis excellent songs but I also love 'The Legend Of Xanadu'.
    "Xanadu" is surely the most esoteric word to feature in the title of two Number One singles.....

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  • MrTibbs
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    On TOTP the whip stands out in my mind , lol, I also have to say surprisingly that Tony Blackburn's cover of Ben E Kings So Much Love was actually a competent version.

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  • Robbie
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    Not only are the new entries by Louis, Donovan and Otis excellent songs but I also love 'The Legend Of Xanadu'.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 13 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    3 stonking new entries this week, from Otis, Louis, and Donovan. Magnifique !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 24th 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 24th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 1 1 1 1 16050
    20 2 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 2 2 4 2 15015
    4 3 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 3 3 3 3 14980
    3 4 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 4 4 2 5 14860
    2 5 Everlasting Love - The Love Affair 5 5 5 4 13995
    6 6 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 9 6 7 11 12700
    12 7 Fire Brigade - The Move 7 9 6 8 12605
    10 8 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 6 7 8 7 12590
    5 9 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 8 8 10 6 11975
    8 10 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 10 10 9 10 11485
    7 11 Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band 11 11 11 9 10870
    11 12 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 13 13 12 14 9795
    13 13 Words - The Bee Gees 12 14 13 12 9515
    NEW 14 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 14 12 16 13 9080
    14 15 Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set 15 15 14 15 8810
    9 16 I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits 16 15 15 16 8475
    18 17 Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 17 18 17 18 7205
    23 18 Rosie - Don Partridge 18 17 18 19 7070
    26 19 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 19 20 19 17 6390
    22 20 Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris 20 19 24 23 4830
    16 21 Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny 21 24 22 20 4585
    25 22 Today - Sandie Shaw 23 21 23 27 4340
    17 23 Daydream Believer - The Monkees 22 26 21 22 4265
    15 24 The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame 24 30 20 21 3800
    NEW 25 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 25 25 27 2200
    NEW 26 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 26 22 1800
    NEW 27 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 27 23 1600
    24 28 The Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles 25 1500
    30 29 The Best Part Of Breaking Up - The Symbols 26 29 1420
    28 30 Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues 29 26 28 1255
    I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones 30 28 26 1175
    Bend Me Shape Me - The American Breed 28 30 24 845
    So Much Love - Tony Blackburn 28 600
    Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 25 510
    Tin Soldier - The Small Faces 29 500
    Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 29 400
    Honey Chile - Martha and The Vandellas 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 17th 1968


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 17th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 1 1 1 1 16050
    1 2 Everlasting Love - The Love Affair 2 2 2 2 15515
    6 3 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 3 3 3 3 14980
    4 4 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 4 4 4 5 14360
    3 5 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 5 5 6 4 13745
    7 6 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 6 6 5 7 13540
    5 7 Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band 7 7 7 6 12925
    10 8 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 8 8 8 8 12305
    9 9 I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits 9 9 9 11 11600
    16 10 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 10 10 11 9 11070
    12 11 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 11 11 10 12 10865
    22 12 Fire Brigade - The Move 12 11 13 10 10285
    17 13 Words - The Bee Gees 13 13 12 13 9880
    20 14 Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set 14 16 14 16 8525
    8 15 The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame 15 15 17 14 8145
    11 16 Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny 16 17 16 15 7910
    13 17 Daydream Believer - The Monkees 17 19 15 17 7590
    21 18 Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 18 18 20 18 6455
    14 19 Tin Soldier - The Small Faces 19 21 18 24 5845
    NEW 20 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 22 14 22 5650
    18 21 I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones 20 26 18 20 5185
    23 22 Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris 21 19 25 21 4750
    NEW 23 Rosie - Don Partridge 23 22 24 22 4315
    19 24 The Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles 26 21 25 3010
    NEW 25 Today - Sandie Shaw 27 23 27 29 2770
    NEW 26 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 24 24 29 23 2580
    15 27 Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops 28 23 26 2425
    24 28 Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues 25 26 19 2270
    27 29 Bend Me Shape Me - The American Breed 29 25 30 28 1705
    28 30 The Best Part Of Breaking Up - The Symbols 30 28 27 1090
    What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 26 1000
    So Much Love - Tony Blackburn 28 600
    The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 29 400
    Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 29 400
    Honey Chile - Martha and The Vandellas 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    BUT, it won't top the Ultimate Averaged chart

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  • MrTibbs
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    Wow there's another surprise averaged #1 going to appear in 1968

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  • Graham76man
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    However if you read George Martin's own biography, even he didn't know the true size of the Beatles sales. In fact the bosses at EMI were going to give him paltry Christmas bonus, which nearly resulting in him quitting. Then the "boss" offered a new deal on the bonus. When it came through, Martin was amazed how big it was. He thought they had made a mistake, saying that would mean sales at this sort of level. His boss said that's what they were. Martin concluded even with the bigger bonus, they were still robbing his eyes out!
    Anybody who believes record company figures is as thick as Trump.
    Even today many record company contracts still included a breakage reduction even for digital sales!
    The numbers of records stolen from shops or given away free for the shops to sell for deals would probably amount to equal of the figure talked about in real sales.

    Let's talk about distribution of records!
    The Newspaper article from 1964 that featured on this thread said there were 8,000 shops in the UK. So to cover those shops with a reasonable number of copies. Say 100 per shop. The record company needed to send out 800,000 copies. Even 10 copies requires 80,000 sent out.
    They reported to that 71 shops had supplied them with sales figures.
    They calculated the number of sales for the number one (3,954). This means that each one of those 71 shops must have at least 55 copies sent to them, assuming that the record company shared out the records evenly amongst the 71. Of course that probably didn't happen in reality. But it does show how vast the quantities of singles needed to be shipped out each week.
    The only accurate shipping figures that have been published are those done by that Colin chap in the 40's and early 50's.
    But even back then the record companies appear to have stopped distribution of massive sellers (at least big on the sheet music charts) while the record was still peaking.
    The reason the charts were important to record companies back in the 60's was it was the only way they could tell what was selling quickly. Orders from shops would have been slow coming back. Especially if the company had sent out 100,000 plus records!
    Many of the shops were not telling the Record Companies what they were selling anyway. The BMRB still had that problem in the late 70's.
    I think that many of the sales figures reported in the press were the record companies bragging to other record companies. You only have to look how much they were patting on the back each other when the Foundations went top in 1967. Full page adds in some of the press! Adds like that wasn't for the average Record Mirror, or NME reader. They were aimed simply at the other companies.

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  • brian05
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    I assume you are aware of the post on this forum that goes into detail on Beatles singles and EP sales ...
    Yes. But the figures are on the conservative side since their total is about 4 million less than the official OCC singles total of 20,799,632 given in February 2004.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are a massive18 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 10th 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 10th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Everlasting Love - The Love Affair 1 1 1 1 16050
    5 2 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 2 3 2 2 15315
    2 3 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 3 2 3 4 15095
    6 4 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 6 4 4 9 14020
    4 5 Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band 4 6 5 3 13880
    8 6 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 5 5 6 5 13660
    10 7 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 7 7 7 6 12925
    3 8 The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame 8 10 8 7 11990
    12 9 I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits 10 8 9 11 11800
    16 10 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 9 9 10 8 11605
    7 11 Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny 11 11 11 10 10785
    17 12 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 12 12 12 15 9910
    9 13 Daydream Believer - The Monkees 13 14 13 16 9175
    11 14 Tin Soldier - The Small Faces 14 13 14 17 9040
    13 15 Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops 17 15 15 20 8135
    27 16 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 15 17 18 12 7665
    NEW 17 Words - The Bee Gees 16 16 19 14 7445
    18 18 I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones 19 21 16 19 6770
    14 19 Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles 20 23 17 18 6205
    28 20 Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set 18 22 20 13 6080
    26 21 Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 21 18 24 23 5030
    NEW 22 Fire Brigade - The Move 22 20 25 22 4465
    25 23 Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris 24 19 26 26 4075
    23 24 Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues 23 25 23 21 4050
    19 25 Paradise Lost - The Herd 25 27 22 24 3645
    15 26 Hello Goodbye - The Beatles 26 21 30 2585
    NEW 27 Bend Me Shape Me - The American Breed 28 24 1400
    NEW 28 The Best Part Of Breaking Up - The Symbols 27 27 25 1310
    21 29 Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound 27 1000
    NEW 30 So Much Love - Tony Blackburn 29 26 1000
    World - The Bee Gees 28 750
    Today - Sandie Shaw 29 30 650
    Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold 29 500
    I Second That Emotion - Smokey Robinson and The Miracles 30 27 340
    The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 28 255
    Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 30 200
    Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic 29 170

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post

    Is this the article? DAME 15 July 1967.
    Yes that is it. I saw it at the 1960smusicmagazines.com website, which unfortunately appears to have now started requiring you to go through password access and some dubious advertisment hurdles.

    I assume you are aware of the post on this forum that goes into detail on Beatles singles and EP sales ...
    https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...478#post808478

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 16 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 3rd 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 3rd 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Everlasting Love - The Love Affair 1 1 1 1 16050
    3 2 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 2 2 2 3 15430
    2 3 The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame 3 4 3 2 14865
    6 4 Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band 4 3 4 4 14645
    20 5 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 5 5 5 7 13740
    12 6 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 6 6 6 8 13205
    10 7 Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny 8 9 7 6 12525
    21 8 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 7 7 9 5 12510
    4 9 Daydream Believer - The Monkees 10 10 8 11 11650
    16 10 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 9 8 12 9 11220
    9 11 Tin Soldier - The Small Faces 11 12 10 10 10835
    14 12 I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits 13 13 11 14 10045
    5 13 Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops 12 11 13 13 10030
    7 14 Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles 14 15 14 12 9065
    8 15 Hello Goodbye - The Beatles 16 16 15 16 8275
    24 16 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 15 14 18 15 8010
    22 17 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 17 17 16 17 7740
    11 18 I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones 18 18 17 20 7035
    18 19 Paradise Lost - The Herd 19 19 20 19 6170
    13 20 World - The Bee Gees 20 24 21 18 5005
    17 21 Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound 21 30 19 24 3795
    19 22 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 22 29 23 21 3250
    25 23 Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues 24 26 24 26 3175
    15 24 Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold 23 22 22 3015
    30 25 Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris 25 20 29 2700
    NEW 26 Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 29 21 2000
    NEW 27 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 27 23 30 30 1935
    NEW 28 Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set 30 22 1800
    28 29 The Other Man's Grass - Petula Clark 25 1500
    23 30 Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic 26 28 23 1430
    31 The Best Part Of Breaking Up - The Symbols 28 27 25 1310
    32 Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney 27 28 1255
    33 Careless Hands - Des O'Connor 26 1250
    34 Words - The Bee Gees 25 1200
    35 Bend Me Shape Me - The American Breed 28 600
    36 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 27 340
    37 Honey Chile - Martha and The Vandellas 30 200
    38 In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes 29 170


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  • brian05
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    There was another interview with Dick James in Disc and Music Echo when 'All You Need Is Love' was released, where he goes into the arrangements he made to get it pressed quickly and makes a fairly accurate estimate of its total sales.
    Is this the article? DAME 15 July 1967.



    You can find it here.

    https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Dis...1967-07-15.pdf

    Sales passed the 500,000 mark by 19th August 1967 and eventually 600,000.
    (Although I have seen a figure of 760,000 for 1967 sales).

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