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  • Splodj
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    Wow - 11 continuous weeks before reaching the top is a long time!

    I suppose at least while a record is climbing, however slowly, it is getting exposure and thereby has the potential to continue higher. More difficult to explain are those that don't enter at all until long after release.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    I've only got data for the official chart here (So NME and RR etc) as I do not have the Ultimate chart in the database (yet!) but from initial entry to peak position Connie takes 42 days.

    For the 1950's, 2 number 1's entered at the top and 5 climbed there within 1 week. Of the 94 number 1's from 1952-1959, 20 took longer from debut to peak than Connie. 11 took 49 days, 2 56, 4 63, 1 70 and one 77 days. Taking 322 days is Bill Haley but that's kind of skewed as it dipped out the chart.

    The average of the 1062 entries in the NME chart for the 1950's is 20.143 days from entry to peak. Of course Bill skews this with his 322 days... Taking him out the average comes down to 19 days from entry to peak.

    This makes Connie in the Top 25% for slowest climbs to 1, but not entirely out of the ordinary.

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  • Splodj
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    Is 'Whos sorry now' the slowest ever sneaker upper within the Top 30? I can imagine a short term no. 1 taking longer to get there, but not one that stayed at the top so long.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Again all four charts largely agree on the top seven singles but below that it's anarchy, huge differences in chart return shops, Perry Como, 22 20 11 Out, and 10 8 19 11. Chordettes at #8 but with a big variation 8 12 14 8. Interesting its NME and RM with their bigger samples that both place it at #8.

    Marvin Rainwater's sales are fading fast as he already leaves the top five. Two weeks ago he was #1. that is quick for the fifties.

    Give me strength, Max Bygraves goes into the top ten with that horrendous record that will stay there for what seems like years.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 24th 1958

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 24th 1958 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 65 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Who's Sorry Now - Connie Francis 1 1 1 1 1 5700
    3 2 Wear My Ring Around Your Neck - Elvis Presley 3 3 3 4 2 5340
    2 3 A Wonderful Time Up There / It's Too Soon To Know - Pat Boone 2 4 2 2 3 5320
    6 4 Tom Hark - Elias and The Zig Zag Jive Flutes 4 2 5 3 4 5275
    5 5 Lollipop - The Mudlarks 5 4 4 7 5 4950
    4 6 Whole Lotta Woman - Marvin Rainwater 6 6 6 5 7 4730
    7 7 Grand Coolie Dam / Nobody Loves Like An Irishman - Lonnie Donegan 7 7 7 6 6 4660
    9 8 Lollipop - The Chordettes 9 8 12 14 8 4030
    8 9 Swingin' Shepherd Blues - Ted Heath 8 13 9 8 10 3900
    13 10 Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves 10 11 10 9 13 3785
    21 11 Kewpie Doll - Frankie Vaughan 12 12 19 10 9 3695
    16 12 Kewpie Doll - Perry Como 11 10 8 19 11 3620
    23 13 On The Street Where You Live - Vic Damone 13 9 11 17 14 3510
    14 14 Sweet Little Sixteen - Chuck Berry 14 20 13 12 15 2885
    22 15 Stairway Of Love - Terry Dene 15 18 15 12 2625
    NEW 16 Swingin' Shepherd Blues - Ella Fitzgerald 18= 15 17 1880
    24 17 Stairway Of Love - Michael Holliday 17 16 1810
    12 18 Breathless - Jerry Lee Lewis 16 30 16 16 19 1760
    10 19 Magic Moments / Catch A Falling Star - Perry Como 17 22 20 11 1660
    20 20 On The Street Where You Live - David Whitfield 18= 26 14 18 1530
    19 21 I May Never Pass This Way Again - Robert Earl 18= 14 18 1430
    NEW 22 Witch Doctor - Don Lang 19 15 1180
    15 23 To Be Loved - Malcolm Vaughan 20 20 1155
    11 24 Tequila - The Champs 25 20 1050
    17 25 Happy Guitar / Princess - Tommy Steele 26 13 1045
    NEW 26 Witch Doctor - David Seville 16 975
    NEW 27 All I Have To Do Is Dream / Claudette - The Everly Brothers 24 18 975
    NEW 28 De-De Dinah - Frankie Avalon 17 350
    NEW 29 Teacher Teacher - Johnny Mathis 28 195
    30 30 Twilight Time - The Platters 29 130
    It's Too Soon To Know - Pat Boone 23
    18 Maybe Baby - The Crickets
    25 Don't / I Beg Of You - Elvis Presley
    26 Tequila - Ted Heath
    27 To Be Loved - Jackie Wilson
    28 Nairobi - Tommy Steele
    29 April Love - Pat Boone

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    A slow climb to the top for Connie Francis yet all four charts (plus the UAC and BBC charts as a result) have her getting there at the same time. With the way the record has slowly climbed the charts I would have expected it to have reached #1 on perhaps one of the charts first before then climing to the top of the others. Is there any reason why the single suddenly burst into life?
    The only theory I have Robbie is that Marvin Rainwater obviously surrendered the top spot in style indicating a big drop in sales this week as it drops not to number 2 but numbers three or four on all four charts. That allowed Connie even if it were by only a small sales increase to ascend to the top spot. Once it did the sales momentum improved.

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  • Robbie
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    A slow climb to the top for Connie Francis yet all four charts (plus the UAC and BBC charts as a result) have her getting there at the same time. With the way the record has slowly climbed the charts I would have expected it to have reached #1 on perhaps one of the charts first before then climing to the top of the others. Is there any reason why the single suddenly burst into life?

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  • braindeadpj
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    So we have 2 kewpie dolls licking a lollipop on the street where you live, while they both climb the stairway of love while drinking tequila looking for them both to be loved!
    Last edited by braindeadpj; Mon April 4, 2022, 03:52. Reason: Wrong with what I'd typed before so I have removed and so am writing this instead.....

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 17th 1958

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 17th 1958 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 65 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Who's Sorry Now - Connie Francis 1 1 1 1 1 5700
    3 2 A Wonderful Time Up There / It's Too Soon To Know - Pat Boone 2 2 2 4 3 5370
    4 3 Wear My Ring Around Your Neck - Elvis Presley 3 5 3 2 2 5290
    1 4 Whole Lotta Woman - Marvin Rainwater 4 3 4 3 4 5235
    7 5 Lollipop - The Mudlarks 5 4 5 6 5 4965
    8 6 Tom Hark - Elias and The Zig Zag Jive Flutes 7 6 7 7 6 4685
    6 7 Grand Coolie Dam / Nobody Loves Like An Irishman - Lonnie Donegan 6 7 6 5 7 4665
    5 8 Swingin' Shepherd Blues - Ted Heath 8 8 8 8 9 4310
    9 9 Lollipop - The Chordettes 9 9 9 10 8 4200
    10 10 Magic Moments / Catch A Falling Star - Perry Como 10 12 10 9 10 3900
    11 11 Tequila - The Champs 11 11 16 12 13 3515
    12 12 Breathless - Jerry Lee Lewis 12 17 11 11 14 3230
    27 13 Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves 13= 13 12 15 16 3185
    16 14 Sweet Little Sixteen - Chuck Berry 13= 18 13 14 11 3175
    13 15 To Be Loved - Malcolm Vaughan 15 14 15 16 15 3065
    24 16 Kewpie Doll - Perry Como 18= 16 17 1815
    19 17 Happy Guitar / Princess - Tommy Steele 17 22 17 13 1655
    14 18 Maybe Baby - The Crickets 26 17 20 1545
    17 19 I May Never Pass This Way Again - Robert Earl 16 15 14 1465
    NEW 20 On The Street Where You Live - David Whitfield 25 19 19 1410
    25 21 Kewpie Doll - Frankie Vaughan 20 19 18 1300
    NEW 22 Stairway Of Love - Terry Dene 18= 29 12 1270
    28 23 On The Street Where You Live - Vic Damone 19 19 1260
    NEW 24 Stairway Of Love - Michael Holliday 27 18 1040
    15 25 Don't / I Beg Of You - Elvis Presley 20 20 715
    26 26 Tequila - Ted Heath 21 650
    RE 27 To Be Loved - Jackie Wilson 23 520
    20 28 Nairobi - Tommy Steele 24 455
    22 29 April Love - Pat Boone 18 325
    NEW 30 Twilight Time - The Platters 28 195
    21 The Clouds Will Soon Roll By - Tony Brent 30 65
    It's Too Soon To Know - Pat Boone 10
    18 La Dee Dah - Jackie Dennis
    23 Mandy - Eddie Calvert

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  • MrTibbs
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    Guys, sorry, there was an error in the calculation of the UAC for 10th of May. I have corrected this and re-posted the correct chart above.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    On the chart for the 12th April, you have Catch A Falling Star and At the Hop both at 13 in the Disc chart with Jailhouse Rock at 14. According to Lonnie's 1958 volume (which includes the Disc chart for that year), Catch A Falling Star was not at 13 that week (it was there the previous week). This does not affect the UAC but perhaps should be corrected for completeness/accuracy of the data. My apologies for the delay in catching this.
    Thanks David for picking up on that.. The complete Disc Top Twenty has been entered correctly above that line. Magic Moments / Catch A Falling Star wasn't split on Disc only NME and for some reason a 13 has been entered erroneously by me in that box which isn't scored so doesn't contribute to the UAC like you say. That said I do like complete accuracy in the UAC so I have amended the above chart and removed that offending 13.

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  • braindeadpj
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    On the chart for the 12th April, you have Catch A Falling Star and At the Hop both at 13 in the Disc chart with Jailhouse Rock at 14. According to Lonnie's 1958 volume (which includes the Disc chart for that year), Catch A Falling Star was not at 13 that week (it was there the previous week). This does not affect the UAC but perhaps should be corrected for completeness/accuracy of the data. My apologies for the delay in catching this.

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  • Splodj
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    There were some good lyrics that year ...

    Our good times start and end without $1 to spend

    Cousin Brucie will be playing the 50s and 60s tonight on WABC at 11pm UK time. One of the few shows still featuring 50s music. But he was a dj in New York then - just! - being on WINS in 1959.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post

    ​​​​​​That brings to mind ...

    Husbands moan at breakfast tables:
    "No milk, no eggs, no marmalade labels"
    Excerpt From A Teenage Opera by Keith West, #2 in 1967. One of my very favourite years of the sixties, and yeah I loved that single

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  • Kewen
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    4 Wear My Ring Around Your Neck - Elvis

    I thought a ring was to be worn on your finger? I could never understand this title.
    it was a pretty common trend for teens in the 50s and early 60s. The ring was the school ring and worn by girls going steady. Just one of those fashion things that come and go, although it was practical and a better option than slapping some ring on your ring finger for the latest beau.

    edit: ow yes! I forgot! Speaking of practical - it nicely solved the issue of how your sporting boyfriends ring would stay on your dainty finger!
    Last edited by Kewen; Sat April 2, 2022, 15:11.

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by Metalweb View Post
    I'd always assumed it was so 'neck' could be rhymed with 'heck'
    ​​​​​​That brings to mind ...

    Husbands moan at breakfast tables:
    "No milk, no eggs, no marmalade labels"

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  • Metalweb
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    4 Wear My Ring Around Your Neck - Elvis

    I thought a ring was to be worn on your finger? I could never understand this title.

    I'd always assumed it was so 'neck' could be rhymed with 'heck' but apparently pre-engagement rings were/are often worn on a necklace...

    Why Do People Wear Wedding Ring On a Necklace? (Explained) - Authority Jewelry

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  • Splodj
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    'Whos Sorry Now' has spent 6 weeks crawling up the chart. One might be forgiven for thinking it has peaked!

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  • brian05
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    4 Wear My Ring Around Your Neck - Elvis

    I thought a ring was to be worn on your finger? I could never understand this title.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 10th 1958

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 10th 1958 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 65 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Whole Lotta Woman - Marvin Rainwater 1 1 1 1 1 5700
    4 2 Who's Sorry Now - Connie Francis 2 2 2 2 3 5450
    2 3 A Wonderful Time Up There / It's Too Soon To Know - Pat Boone 3 3 3 3 2 5380
    15 4 Wear My Ring Around Your Neck - Elvis Presley 4= 4 5 5 4 5065
    3 5 Swingin' Shepherd Blues - Ted Heath 4= 5 4 4 5 5005
    11 6 Grand Coolie Dam / Nobody Loves Like An Irishman - Lonnie Donegan 7 8 9 10 6 4385
    12 7 Lollipop - The Mudlarks 6 10 6 6 9 4310
    13 8 Tom Hark - Elias and The Zig Zag Jive Flutes 8= 7 10 11 8 4265
    9 9 Lollipop - The Chordettes 12 6 12 17 7 4100
    5 10 Magic Moments / Catch A Falling Star - Perry Como 8= 12 7 7 10 4055
    6 11 Tequila - The Champs 10= 9 11 9 11 4010
    7 12 Breathless - Jerry Lee Lewis 10= 11 8 8 13 3875
    14 13 To Be Loved - Malcolm Vaughan 13= 14 14 12 14 3310
    8 14 Maybe Baby - The Crickets 13= 15 13 14 12 3310
    10 15 Don't / I Beg Of You - Elvis Presley 15 21 15 13 17 2610
    17 16 Sweet Little Sixteen - Chuck Berry 16 16 16 18 19 2590
    21 17 I May Never Pass This Way Again - Robert Earl 17= 17 17 19 20 2400
    19 18 La Dee Dah - Jackie Dennis 20 18 20 20 18 2340
    18 19 Happy Guitar / Princess - Tommy Steele 17= 22 16 15 2145
    16 20 Nairobi - Tommy Steele 19 19 19 15 1720
    23 21 The Clouds Will Soon Roll By - Tony Brent 20 16 1615
    20 22 April Love - Pat Boone 23 18 845
    24 23 Mandy - Eddie Calvert 24 455
    NEW 24 Kewpie Doll - Perry Como 25 390
    NEW 25 Kewpie Doll - Frankie Vaughan 26 325
    22 26 Tequila - Ted Heath 28 195
    27 27 Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves 29 130
    NEW 28 On The Street Where You Live - Vic Damone 30 65
    It's Too Soon To Know - Pat Boone 13
    Catch A Falling Star - Perry Como 26
    24 Oh-Oh I'm Falling In Love Again - Jimmie Rodgers
    26 To Be Loved - Jackie Wilson
    28 Why Don't They Understand - George Hamilton IV
    29 Sugartime - Alma Cogan
    29 I May Never Pass This Way Again - Ronnie Hilton

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    17 Sweet Little Sixteen - Chuck Berry

    13 in RM but only 26 in NME. How could that happen?

    'It does seem that the British were slow to appreciate good sounds that were radically new. - Splodj'


    Yeah like I mentioned above there are quite a few marked differences in this week's positions. Even stranger because normally NME was ahead of the pack but this time lagging behind.

    Oh we totally missed out on mid to late fifties rock'n'roll big time with so many classics slipping through the net or ignored here. The British public it seems would rather buy Patience and Prudence, Charlie Drake, Jackie Dennis and all the other disposable tat of the day rather than splash out on the ignored classics that have stood the test of time and that many today think were hits back then.

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  • Metalweb
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    ^

    Yes, it seems bizarre Chuck Berry (notwithstanding his tarnished reputation now) only had three Top Ten hits in the UK (and the first not until '63)....

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  • Splodj
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    The question of why 'Sweet Little Sixteen' underperformed in NME leads to another question of why it underperformed in general. It reached number 2 in Billboard.

    It does seem that the British were slow to appreciate good sounds that were radically new.

    As with Elvis. We came to regard 'Heartbreak Hotel' and 'Hound Dog' as classics, but when released we didn't put them at number one.

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  • brian05
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    17 Sweet Little Sixteen - Chuck Berry

    13 in RM but only 26 in NME. How could that happen?

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  • MrTibbs
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    The Top Five is in broad agreement but outwith this there are some big variations, especially Lonnie Donegan on the two biggest store samplers NME and RM, 16 on NME and 6 on RM. Poles apart. Even stranger is MM in broad agreement with NME and Disc with RM.
    Some of the other differences between the papers is quite startling too.

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