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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by membranemusic View Post
    Hello everybody
    I would like to take the liberty in attaching a pdf scan of a press cutting which I think you will agree is relevant to this thread, and to my knowledge has not been available on the internet before now. In terms of the dates you have reached MrTibbs, it is a little premature, but as you are moving so fast and accurately I thought that would be OK. Apologies for not being able to do an A3 scan, and so it is spread across 2 pages.
    Unfortunately the attachment is over the size limit, and perhaps I could get permission to send the pdfs to the moderator or via dropbox etc.
    I would be interested to hear people’s responses, once I can get an upload to the thread.
    Keep on please mrtibbs.
    You can use PDF archive to upload the file. It will not be too big for them. All you need to do is register which is free. Then upload to the site. You can then put a download link to it.
    PDF archive will not delete the file. And they don't charge you for it. Though you can delete it. And it's much better than dropbox and the rest.

    https://www.pdf-archive.com/

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Also in 1964 there was a World In Action television programme about the pop industry (broadcast 22-Sep) which you can see here ...
    https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/...de-1964-online

    The charts are featured from 9.20.

    There is a scene of someone compiling the Melody Maker charts. Interesting to see that the return sheet visible at 9.33 has spaces for a Top 40 to be filled out - but only the Top 16 have been entered!

    Coincidentally the World In Action programme the week before this was on The Sun, on the day that it launched.
    Very interesting, though at times you can't hear what the commenter is saying for the loud music, which is what they used to say at the time
    As you would expect. The chart returns were filled in by the shop girls! I would put the album inclusions to this method. The other accusation of what the dealers want to sell, I have heard before. Still around when BMRB were doing charts. I do think this was true. Just because the way dealers got the records. I at one time and I suspect a lot of people thought that the shops used to get the records from the record companies sort of free paying the record company back a fee of the amount they sold it at. When in fact the dealers were buying in records from record companies and selling them on at a marked up price. But to do this the dealers had to be persuaded to take so many records in the first place. And that was like selling a Beatles record to a Rolling Stones fan. Of course the dealers needed no selling of those big name acts. They knew they could sell them. But anyone new was a different matter. So the record company reps would persuade the dealers in large numbers to take records they didn't like. And to get the public to buy this "crap" record the dealers would make out it was selling at 10, when it was selling at 45! So when it did get into the chart at number 10, the public started to buy it in the large numbers anyway!
    Some dealers or record shops probably broke lots of records into the charts on their own. One I know for certain that had that power was Brian Epstein and that was before the Beatles! In fact it's why Epstein had some clout with EMI. He was that good at predicting what would make the charts, that if he ordered more than the typical amount of a record. It went around quickly that it would be a hit! And a major distribution push went into action on the record.

    Filling in a dealer return would require either a lot of guess work, or somebody to write down stock levels in the shop. But at the end of the day what a store was selling must have been recorded, just to keep the shop stocked with the best sellers. With several stores selling the same records if the public couldn't get it from you they would go somewhere else. So if you haven't ordered enough you would loose money. If a shop had in stock 50 copies of a record at the start of the week and had only 10 left at the end, then they could compile a chart return on that basis. But the temptation would be to say you sold 40, of the 50, when you had only sold 10. And the other shops would do the same. A quick phone call around the area dealers from the other dealers was all that was needed. You could even get a chain going that extend to a wide area, way beyond. Maybe they were like the Freemasons! They could have even been members of these sorts of groups and you could have a big sale on a record that wasn't selling.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Sorry guys I had the positions on the master chart but omitted to carry over. Have done now. Thanks for noticing that Robin.

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  • Splodj
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    Also in 1964 there was a World In Action television programme about the pop industry (broadcast 22-Sep) which you can see here ...
    https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/...de-1964-online

    The charts are featured from 9.20.

    There is a scene of someone compiling the Melody Maker charts. Interesting to see that the return sheet visible at 9.33 has spaces for a Top 40 to be filled out - but only the Top 16 have been entered!

    Coincidentally the World In Action programme the week before this was on The Sun, on the day that it launched.
    Last edited by Splodj; Fri July 3, 2020, 18:37.

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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Membranemusic, bring on your article, it sounds most interesting !!!

    (Brian, on your 29 Aug 64 chart table, the component chart positions for the LP are blank...)

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  • Splodj
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    31 points would have put it at 19, below Billy J at 18. Looks like just a general hash-up in the calculation.

  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 5th September 1964.

    * Denotes an average score awarded as RR excluded EP's, but appeared in all 3 other music paper charts.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 5th 1964 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total
    Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points
    Week Week Title and Artist Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored
    1 1 Have I The Right - The Honeycombs 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    2 2 Do Wah Diddy Diddy - Manfred Mann 3 3 2 3 4 17945
    4 3 You Really Got Me - The Kinks 2 2 4 2 2 17915
    3 4 I Won't Forget You - Jim Reeves 4 4 3 4 3 17480
    11 5 I Wouldn't Change You For The World - The Bachelors 5 5 5 5 8 16255
    12 6 The Crying Game - Dave Berry 6 6 6 7 5 15860
    5 7 A Hard Day's Night - The Beatles 7 8 7 6 6 15225
    8 8 It's For You - Cilla Black 8 12 8 8 7 13890
    6 9 Tobacco Road - The Nashville Teens 9 11 11 11 14 12445
    13 10 Five By Five (EP) - The Rolling Stones 11 7 15 16 * 11864
    9 11 I Get Around - The Beach Boys 10 16 10 14 9 11820
    7 12 Call Up The Groups - The Barron Knights 15 18 9 17 11 11200
    10 13 It's All Over Now - The Rolling Stones 12 17 12 15 10 10935
    23 14 Rag Doll - The Four Seasons 13= 10 18 10 17 10740
    27 15 I'm Into Something Good - Herman's Hermits 13= 9 19 9 18 10705
    22 16 As Tears Go By Marianne Faithfull 16 13 16 12 15 10610
    17 17 Such A Night - Elvis Presley 17 14 17 13 13 10230
    15 18 I Love You Because - Jim Reeves 18 21 13 18 12 9415
    21 19 She's Not There - The Zombies 19 19 14 19 16 9125
    NEW 20 Where Did Our Love Go - The Supremes 22 15 27 21 5200
    14 21 It's Only Make Believe - Billy Fury 24 26 20 30 21 4700
    16 22 On The Beach - Cliff Richard 23 24 24 24 23 4530
    24 23 The Wedding - Julie Rogers 21 30 21 23 19 4520
    19 24 From A Window - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 25= 25 23 28 22 4265
    NEW 25 Everybody Loves Somebody - Dean Martin 27 20 26 26 29 4120
    20 26 I Found Out The Hard Way - The Four Pennies 28 28 22 29 24 3645
    18 27 I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself - Dusty Springfield 25= 25 22 20 3335
    NEW 28 I Should Have Known Better - The Naturals 29 27 28 25 25 2660
    NEW 29 You Never Can Tell - Chuck Berry 30 23 30 27 2190
    26 30 Wishin' And Hopin' - The Merseybeats 29 30 585
    A Hard Day's Night (LP) - The Beatles 20 22 20 2900
    You'll Never Get To Heaven - Dionne Warwick 26 425
    Together - P J Proby 29 400
    Rhythm And Greens - The Shadows 27 400
    The Ferris Wheel - The Everly Brothers 28 255
    It's Gonna Be Alright - Gerry and The Pacemakers 30 200

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  • MrTibbs
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    As I mentioned above i take approx 1.5 hours per chart, and because the spreadsheet does the work for me this is done in just a bit over an hour. I mention this because like you highlight above Splodj where I see an unusual result I like to double check my input figures again to ensure the error is not at my end. It wasn't. Either it was a BBC compilation error like Robin says, and let's remember there were lots of these over the years, or one of those weeks the RR chart was unavailable. at the time of compilation.
    Yes we would be most interested in seeing that article you refer to above membranemusic. I hope you manage to make it accessible for us too.
    I can now confidently say after reviewing 8 months of The Ultimate Averaged Chart that adding the percentages of record store input has most definitely provided a much more accurate chart, impacting on ties and smoothing out anomalies to give a more accurate result.
    This is your chart of the sixties guys !

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  • membranemusic
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    Hello everybody
    I would like to take the liberty in attaching a pdf scan of a press cutting which I think you will agree is relevant to this thread, and to my knowledge has not been available on the internet before now. In terms of the dates you have reached MrTibbs, it is a little premature, but as you are moving so fast and accurately I thought that would be OK. Apologies for not being able to do an A3 scan, and so it is spread across 2 pages.

    This is from The Sun and published early in December 1964 and relevant to the chart week ended 28 Nov 1964. The Sun undertook a thorough investigative article about the UK charts and their accuracy. It bears interesting comparison with the Cable 1976 analysis document, also mentioned in this thread. Interestingly The Sun used actual sales from a sample of 71 stores covering 31,000 sales within that week. To their credit, they reported that they asked 250 stores to co-operate.

    Unfortunately the attachment is over the size limit, and perhaps I could get permission to send the pdfs to the moderator or via dropbox etc.

    I would also like to enclose my excel analysis of their reported sales, revealing the points proportional to each chart position. Someone cleverer than I can possibly prepare a logarithmic graph from The Sun’s figures. Note that the paper’s NME reported chart positions are incorrect. The others I think are correct, but they chose not to print the BBC chart positions. The article may have been prepared before the broadcast of the BBC charts that Sunday. I have therefore added the BBC chart as broadcast, and of course unmodified by mrtibbs’ calculations.
    As with the 1976 figures, it reveals the far greater sales proportionately for the top positions, which will endorse mrtibbs’ view of allocating extra points to a No.1.

    I would be interested to hear people’s responses, once I can get an upload to the thread.
    Keep on please mrtibbs.

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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    The Stones EP rise to number 13 in the Ultimate chart should have been reflected in the BBC chart. Perhaps Chinnery had difficulty dividing by 3! 4 positions out is a significant error.
    Perhaps Derek goofed and gave the EP 31 points for RR, which would average out to 18 BBC position points...
    Last edited by RokinRobinOfLocksley; Fri July 3, 2020, 13:09.

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  • Splodj
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    The Stones EP rise to number 13 in the Ultimate chart should have been reflected in the BBC chart. Perhaps Chinnery had difficulty dividing by 3! 4 positions out is a significant error.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 29th August 1964.

    * Denotes an average score awarded as RR excluded EP's, but appeared in all 3 other music paper charts.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 29th 1964 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total
    Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points
    Week Week Title and Artist Total Chart Positions 30 Scored
    3 1 Have I The Right - The Honeycombs 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    1 2 Do Wah Diddy Diddy - Manfred Mann 2 2 2 2 2 18415
    5 3 I Won't Forget You - Jim Reeves 3 4 3 3 3 17580
    12 4 You Really Got Me - The Kinks 4 3 5 4 4 17095
    2 5 A Hard Day's Night - The Beatles 5 5 4 5 5 16760
    6 6 Tobacco Road - The Nashville Teens 6 6 6 8 6 15675
    4 7 Call Up The Groups - The Barron Knights 8 7 8 7 10 14735
    9 8 It's For You - Cilla Black 7 8 9 6 8 14555
    8 9 I Get Around - The Beach Boys 9 11 7 10 7 14140
    7 10 It's All Over Now - The Rolling Stones 10 10 10 11 9 13320
    16 11 I Wouldn't Trade You For The World - The Bachelors 11 13 11 9 11 12500
    20 12 The Crying Game - Dave Berry 12 11 12 12 12 12265
    18 13 Five By Five (EP) - The Rolling Stones 17 9 19 13 * 10679
    11 14 It's Only Make Believe - Billy Fury 13 16 13 17 17 10090
    17 15 I Love You Because - Jim Reeves 14 19 14 18 14 9395
    13 16 On The Beach - Cliff Richard 18 15 16 22 15 9210
    24 17 Such A Night - Elvis Presley 16 13 20 14 20 8985
    10 18 I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself - Dusty Springfield 15 22 15 15 13 8930
    14 19 From A Window - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 19 19 17 16 19 8420
    15 20 I Found Out The Hard Way - The Four Pennies 20 18 18 19 18 8155
    28 21 She's Not There - The Zombies 22 17 22 24 21 6600
    27 22 As Tears Go By - Marianne Faithfull 21 23 21 23 16 6175
    NEW 23 Rag Doll - The Four Seasons 24 21 27 20 29 4270
    30 24 The Wedding - Julie Rogers 23 26 24 25 23 4030
    23 25 You'll Never Get To Heaven - Dionne Warwick 25 24 26 27 22 3815
    22 26 Wishin' And Hopin' - The Merseybeats 28 23 30 24 2695
    NEW 27 I'm Into Something Good - Herman's Hermits 27 25 26 25 2210
    19 28 House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals 29 25 29 30 1785
    21 29 Someday We're Gonna Love Again - The Searchers 30 29 28 28 1405
    26 30 The Ferris Wheel - The Everly Brothers 29 26 925
    A Hard Day's Night (LP) - The Beatles 26 30 21 2100
    Everybody Loves Somebody - Dean Martin 27 800
    I Should Have Known Better - The Naturals 28 27 640
    You Never Can Tell - Chuck Berry 28 600
    Thinking Of You Baby - The Dave Clark Five 30 250
    Twelve Steps To Love - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 30 200
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri July 3, 2020, 23:37.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Having the excell spreadsheet does all the hard work Graham. I simply input the record titles and chart positions 1 - 30 for the NME column, then just the additional titles and chart positions in the other 3 chart columns then allow the spreadsheet to do all the calculations. I then just double check it over to ensure I have input the correct info, save it, and post it here for you guys to enjoy. All in all as I don't rush the process it takes about 1.5 hours per chart.

    It's amazing what you see for the first time when you see all the music paper charts lined up against each other for comparison.
    I never appreciated how often and how many tied positions the NME had and often in very high chart positions.
    NME and Disc, closely align, probably due to using advance orders. As you would expect the greatest variation in chart positions occurs in positions 21 -30 in the music paper charts. Fascinating Stuff though !

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 22nd August 1964.

    * Denotes an average score awarded as RR excluded EP's, but appeared in all 3 other music paper charts.


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 22nd 1964 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total
    Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points
    Week Week Title and Artist Total Chart Positions 30 Scored
    1 1 Do Wah Diddy Diddy - Manfred Mann 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    2 2 A Hard Day's Night - The Beatles 2 3 2 3 2 18115
    9 3 Have I The Right - The Honeycombs 3 2 4 2 3 17830
    3 4 Call Up The Groups - The Barron Knights 4 4 3 5 5 17210
    7 5 I Won't Forget You - Jim Reeves 5 6 5 4 4 16495
    5 6 Tobacco Road - The Nashville Teens 6 5 6 6 6 16075
    4 7 It's All Over Now - The Rolling Stones 7 7 7 7 7 15240
    8 8 I Get Around - The Beach Boys 9 10 8 8 8 14205
    13 9 It's For You - Cilla Black 8 9 9 9 13 13630
    6 10 I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself - Dusty Springfield 10 11 10 10 9 13220
    11 11 It's Only Make Believe - Billy Fury 11 13 11 11 12 12215
    23 12 You Really Got Me - The Kinks 13 8 14 12 15 12110
    10 13 On The Beach - Cliff Richard 12 12 13 14 11 11700
    12 14 From A Window - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 14 17 12 15 10 10935
    14 15 I Found Out The Hard Way - The Four Pennies 15 16 15 13 14 10245
    28 16 I Wouldn't Trade You For The World - The Bachelors 16 15 18 16 21 8800
    25 17 I Love You Because - Jim Reeves 17 22 16 17 16 8225
    NEW 18 Five By Five (EP) - The Rolling Stones 18 13 26 18 * 7170
    15 19 House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals 21= 24 17 20 22 6765
    24 20 The Crying Game - Dave Berry 19 21 20 21 20 6685
    16 21 Someday We're Gonna Love Again - The Searchers 20 18 22 24 18 6655
    17 22 Wishin'And Hopin' - The Merseybeats 21= 25 19 22 17 6290
    18 23 You'll Never Get To Heaven - Dionne Warwick 23 23 21 27 23 5180
    NEW 24 Such A Night - Elvis Presley 26 19 29 23 3700
    22 25 Thinking Of You Baby - The Dave Clark Five 28 25 24 26 3375
    20 26 The Ferris Wheel - The Everly Brothers 29 27 23 30 27 3240
    NEW 27 As Tears Go By - Marianne Faithfull 24= 28 27 26 19 3120
    NEW 28 She's Not There - The Zombies 27 20 25 28 3055
    19 29 Hold Me - P J Proby 30 25 28 24 2395
    NEW 30 The Wedding - Julie Rogers 28 29 25 1460
    A Hard Day's Night (LP) - The Beatles 24= 19 1200
    How Can I Tell Her - The Fourmost 29 400
    Long Tall Sally (EP) - The Beatles 30 250
    Twelve Steps To Love - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 30 200
    The Girl From Ipanema - Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto 29 170
    Kissin' Cousins - Elvis Presley 30 85

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  • Graham76man
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    Brian I am amazed at how fast you can produce these charts.
    It took me between 1pm till 6pm yesterday to knock out one 1967 Real Chart!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 15th August 1964.


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 15th 1964 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total
    Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points
    Week Week Title and Artist Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored
    2 1 Do Wah Diddy Diddy - Manfred Mann 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    1 2 A Hard Day's Night - The Beatles 2 2 2 2 2 18415
    4 3 Call Up The Groups - The Barron Knights 3 4 3 3 3 17580
    3 4 It's All Over Now - The Rolling Stones 4 3 5 5 4 16995
    6 5 Tobacco Road - The Nashville Teens 5 6 4 6 6 16375
    5 6 I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself - Dusty Springfield 7 5 7 7 7 15640
    8 7 I Won't Forget You - Jim Reeves 6 9 6 4 5 15560
    10 8 I Get Around - The Beach Boys 8 10 8 9 8 14105
    17 9 Have I The Right - The Honeycombs 9 7 10 8 11 14050
    7 10 On The Beach - Cliff Richard 10 8 11 10 9 13570
    13 11 It's Only Make Believe - Billy Fury 11 11 9 11 10 13285
    15 12 From A Window - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 12 13 12 12 12 11865
    22 13 It's For You - Cilla Black 13= 12 14 14 17 10940
    16 14 I Found Out The Hard Way - The Four Pennies 13= 14 16 13 14 10395
    11 15 House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals 15 18 13 15 13 10230
    9 16 Someday We're Gonna Love Again - The Searchers 16 15 15 16 16 9975
    14 17 Wishin' And Hopin' - The Merseybeats 17 16 17 17 15 9260
    18 18 You'll Never Get To Heaven - Dionne Warwick 18 17 19 20 20 7835
    12 19 Hold Me - P J Proby 19 21 18 19 18 7555
    24 20 The Ferris Wheel - The Everly Brothers 20 20 20 22 22 6615
    26 21 The Girl From Ipanema - Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto 21= 22 21 25 30 4985
    30 22 Thinking Of You Baby - The Dave Clark Five 25 23 22 27 4250
    NEW 23 You Really Got Me - The Kinks 24 19 29 21 3900
    NEW 24 The Crying Game - Dave Berry 23 26 24 21 2800
    RE 25 I Love You Because - Jim Reeves 26 25 30 19 2620
    19 26 It's Over - Roy Orbison 28= 23 24 2595
    23 27 Kissin' Cousins - Elvis Presley 27 26 28 23 2430
    NEW 28 I Wouldn't Trade You For The World - The Bachelors 28= 24 23 2200
    27 29 (They Call Her) La Bamba - The Crickets 24 1750
    25 30 Long Tall Sally (EP) - The Beatles 30 27 28 1300
    A Hard Day's Night (LP) - The Beatles 21= 18 1300
    The Wedding - Julie Rogers 25 1200
    You're No Good - The Swinging Blue Jeans 28 28 855
    As Tears Go By - Marianne Faithfull 26 27 840
    Happiness - Ken Dodd 27 800
    Someone Someone - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 30 25 760
    Hello Dolly - Louis Armstrong 29 29 570
    Ramona - The Bachelors 26 425
    How Can I Tell Her - The Fourmost 30 200
    She's Not There - Zombies 29 200

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 8th August 1964.

    * Denotes an average score awarded as RR excluded EP's, but appeared in all 3 other music paper charts.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 8th 1964 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total
    Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points
    Week Week Title and Artist Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored
    1 1 A Hard Day's Night - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    3 2 Do Wah Diddy Diddy - Manfred Mann 2 2 2 2 2 18415
    2 3 It's All Over Now - The Rolling Stones 3 3 3 3 4 17695
    5 4 Call Up The Groups - The Barron Knights 4 5 4 4 3 17030
    4 5 I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself - Dusty Springfield 5 4 5 5 5 16710
    10 6 Tobacco Road - The Nashville Teens 6 6 8 6 6 15375
    8 7 On The Beach - Cliff Richard 7 7 7 8 7 15140
    9 8 I Won't Forget You - Jim Reeves 8 8 9 9 9 14170
    11 9 Someday We're Gonna Love Again - The Searchers 11 11 6 12 11 13850
    13 10 I Get Around - The Beach Boys 9 9 11 7 10 13585
    6 11 House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals 10 10 10 11 8 13405
    7 12 Hold Me - P J Proby 12 12 13 10 13 11930
    14 13 It's Only Make Believe - Billy Fury 13 13 12 13 12 11765
    12 14 Wishin' And Hopin' - The Merseybeats 14 15 14 14 14 10595
    19 15 From A Window - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 15 17 16 15 15 9510
    22 16 I Found Out The Hard Way - The Four Pennies 17 20 15 17 23 8280
    NEW 17 Have I The Right - The Honeycombs 16 17 19 18 18 8205
    27 18 You'll Never Get To Heaven - Dionne Warwick 21= 14 20 25 6660
    17 19 It's Over - Roy Orbison 20 25 17 25 17 6490
    16 20 You're No Good - The Swinging Blue Jeans 19 21 22 20 19 6370
    18 21 Someone Someone - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 21= 24 23 23 20 5135
    NEW 22 It's For You - Cilla Black 26 15 27 29 28 4655
    15 23 Kissin' Cousins - Elvis Presley 23 23 24 16 4625
    25 24 The Ferris Wheel - The Everly Brothers 25 19 28 21 29 4320
    20 25 Long Tall Sally (EP) - The Beatles 24 27 25 19 * 4129
    28 26 The Girl From Ipanema - Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto 28 29 18 27 4050
    24 27 (They Call Her) La Bamba - The Crickets 30 30 21 24 3295
    23 28 Hello Dolly - Louis Armstrong 27 28 29 22 22 2765
    21 29 Ramona - The Bachelors 29 26 30 21 2200
    NEW 30 Thinking Of You Baby - The Dave Clark Five 26 1000
    A Hard Day's Night (LP) - The Beatles 18 22 16 3300
    I Love You Because - Jim Reeves 26 26 925
    The Crying Game - Dave Berry 24 700
    My Guy - Mary Wells 27 340
    Like Dreamers Do - The Applejacks 30 30 335
    As Tears Go By - Marianne Faithfull 28 300

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 1st August 1964.

    * Denotes an average score awarded as RR excluded EP's, but appeared in all 3 other music paper charts.


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 1st 1964 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total
    Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points
    Week Week Title and Artist Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored
    1 1 A Hard Day's Night - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    2 2 It's All Over Now - The Rolling Stones 2 2 2 3 2 18315
    8 3 Do Wah Diddy Diddy - Manfred Mann 3 3 3 2 5 17710
    3 4 I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself - Dusty Springfield 4 4 4 5 3 17130
    6 5 Call Up The Groups - The Barron Knights 5 5 5 4 4 16695
    4 6 House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals 6 7 8 6 7 15090
    5 7 Hold Me - P J Proby 7 9 6 8 6 15075
    9 8 On The Beach - Cliff Richard 8 6 9 10 8 14555
    7 9 I Won't Forget You - Jim Reeves 9 10 7 9 9 14270
    10 10 Tobacco Road - The Nashville Teens 10 8 13 7 10 13285
    14 11 Someday We're Gonna Love Again - The Searchers 11 11 10 11 12 12865
    15 12 Wishin' And Hopin' - The Merseybeats 13 12 11 14 13 12030
    20 13 I Get Around - The Beach Boys 12 14 12 12 11 11750
    21 14 It's Only Make Believe - Billy Fury 14 13 14 13 18 10755
    11 15 Kissin' Cousins - Elvis Presley 15 16 16 16 15 9610
    12 16 You're No Good - The Swinging Blue Jeans 16 14 17 19 17 9290
    13 17 It's Over - Roy Orbison 17 19 15 22 14 8745
    16 18 Someone Someone - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 18 18 18 18 16 8425
    NEW 19 From A Window - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 20 17 19 21 22 7565
    17 20 Long Tall Sally (EP) - The Beatles 19 20 22 15 * 7070
    19 21 Ramona - The Bachelors 22 23 21 20 19 6220
    27 22 I Found Out The Hard Way - The Four Pennies 24 23 20 24 25 5560
    18 23 Hello Dolly - Louis Armstrong 23 23 24 23 20 5085
    24 24 (They Call Her) La Bamba - The Crickets 25 27 25 27 21 3550
    NEW 25 The Ferris Wheel - The Everly Brothers 26 20 28 27 2840
    23 26 Like Dreamers Do - The Applejacks 27 23 29 26 2625
    NEW 27 You'll Never Get To Heaven - Dionne Warwick 28 26 27 26 2500
    NEW 28 The Girl From Ipanema - Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto 26 1250
    22 29 Nobody I Know - Peter and Gordon 29 29 28 1155
    25 30 Sweet William - Millie 28 30 30 935
    A Hard Day's Night (LP) - The Beatles 21 22 17 3200
    My Guy - Mary Wells 29= 30 24 795
    I Love You Because - Jim Reeves 29= 23 680
    Hello Dolly - Frankie Vaughan 28 600
    Have I The Right - The Honeycombs 25 600
    Why Not Tonight - The Mojos 30 250
    Dimples - John Lee Hooker 29 170

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  • MrTibbs
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    Thanks Robbie. Appreciated.

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  • Robbie
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    Thanks for posting the overall points total Brian. It's something I wouldn't have thought about asking for but it does add an extra bonus to your great presentation style of the Ultimate Averaged Chart that you are posting.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Great minds and all that Robin, I had changed the BBC column colour to the same as the rest, didn't like it as I remembered I made it different in the first place to differentiate between it and the charts for compilation but forgot to change it back.
    You want the points for albums too, no problem lol.

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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Brian, maybe you'd like to shade the BBC column with a different colour so that it stands out slightly from the 4 component charts...

    And how about including the LP total points? Even though you're not including LPs in the Top 30, you could still show the total points...

    And how about shading RR EP cells with a different colour, to indicate that while RR didn't include EPs in their singles chart, you have assigned them a RR value so as not to penalize the EP in total points. I'm not saying put your assigned RR points in the RR cell, just shade the cell...
    Last edited by RokinRobinOfLocksley; Tue June 30, 2020, 12:21.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 25th July 1964.

    As mentioned yesterday all charts from here on will include the allocated points for your further interest.

    Just to remind you, The BBC Charts are posted just for your information. They are NOT included in the Ultimate Averaged Chart calculations.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 25th 1964 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total
    Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points
    Week Week Title and Artist Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored
    1 1 A Hard Day's Night - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    2 2 It's All Over Now - The Rolling Stones 2 2 2 2 2 18415
    5 3 I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself - Dusty Springfield 3 3 3 3 3 17780
    3 4 House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals 4 4 5 4 5 16810
    4 5 Hold Me - P J Proby 5 6 4 5 7 16390
    13 6 Call Up The Groups - The Barron Knights 6 5 7 7 6 15725
    6 7 I Won't Forget You - Jim Reeves 7 8 6 8 4 15445
    23 8 Do Wah Diddy Diddy - Manfred Mann 8 7 8 6 9 14920
    8 9 On The Beach - Cliff Richard 9 9 9 9 8 14055
    21 10 Tobacco Road - The Nashville Teens 10 9 11 11 12 13015
    11 11 Kissin' Cousins - Elvis Presley 11 13 10 14 11 12250
    7 12 You're No Good - The Swinging Blue Jeans 12 12 14 10 14 11595
    9 13 It's Over - Roy Orbison 13 17 13 13 10 10885
    18 14 Someday We're Gonna Love Again - The Searchers 14 11 16 17 13 10680
    17 15 Wishin' And Hopin' - The Merseybeats 16 15 12 19 16 10425
    10 16 Someone Someone - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 15 14 15 16 15 10260
    14 17 Long Tall Sally (EP) - The Beatles 17 18 17 12 9309
    12 18 Hello Dolly - Louis Armstrong 18 16 18 18 17 8740
    15 19 Ramona - The Bachelors 19 21 19 15 18 7705
    NEW 20 I Get Around - The Beach Boys 20 19 20 21 20 7085
    NEW 21 It's Only Make Believe - Billy Fury 23 20 25 22 4600
    16 22 Nobody I Know - Peter and Gordon 25 30 21 23 26 3925
    20 23 Like Dreamers Do - The Applejacks 24 28 23 27 22 3765
    NEW 24 (They Call Her) La Bamba - The Crickets 30 25 22 3450
    24 25 Sweet William - Millie 27= 22 26 29 3250
    22 26 My Guy - Mary Wells 21 24 29 28 19 3220
    NEW 27 I Found Out The Hard Way - The Four Pennies 26 28 24 23 2130
    28 28 Hello Dolly - Frankie Vaughan 27= 26 26 25 2010
    27 29 Why Not Tonight - The Mojos 24 1750
    19 30 Can't You See That She's Mine - The Dave Clark Five 27= 25 21 1450
    A Hard Day's Night (LP) - The Beatles 22 23 20
    From A Window - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 27 1000
    Chapel Of Love - The Dixie Cups 27 30 30 985
    You're My World - Cilla Black 29 27 740
    Dimples - John Lee Hooker 24 595
    I Love You Because - Jim Reeves 30 29 420
    Shout - Lulu and The Luvvers 28 255

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 18th July 1964.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 18th 1964 BBC NME MM Disc RR
    Last This Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart
    Week Week Title and Artist Total Chart Positions 30
    NEW 1 A Hard Day's Night - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 3
    2 2 It's All Over Now - The Rolling Stones 2 2 2 2 1
    1 3 House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals 3 3 3 3 2
    3 4 Hold Me - P J Proby 4 4 4 4 5
    16 5 I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself - Dusty Springfield 5 5 5 5 6
    7 6 I Won't Forget You - Jim Reeves 6 5 8 6 4
    5 7 You're No Good - The Swinging Blue Jeans 7 8 6 8 8
    13 8 On The Beach - Cliff Richard 8 7 10 7 9
    4 9 It's Over - Roy Orbison 9 12 7 9 7
    6 10 Someone Someone - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 10 9 9 10 10
    10 11 Kissin' Cousins - Elvis Presley 11 10 11 15 11
    9 12 Hello Dolly - Louis Armstrong 12 13 12 12 13
    NEW 13 Call Up The Groups - The Barron Knights 13 10 13 13 17
    12 14 Long Tall Sally (EP) - The Beatles 15 14 14 14
    8 15 Ramona - The Bachelors 14 17 15 11 12
    11 16 Nobody I Know - Peter and Gordon 16 21 16 16 14
    27 17 Wishin' And Hopin' - The Merseybeats 17 19 18 19 18
    NEW 18 Someday We're Gonna Love Again - The Searchers 19 15 20 21 22
    14 19 Can't You See That She's Mine - The Dave Clark Five 18 26 19 18 15
    20 20 Like Dreamers Do - The Applejacks 21 24 17 26 21
    28 21 Tobacco Road - The Nashville Teens 22 15 26 24 26
    15 22 My Guy - Mary Wells 20 22 30 17 16
    NEW 23 Do Wah Diddy Diddy - Manfred Mann 24= 25 23 23 30
    25 24 Sweet William - Millie 24= 18 27 27
    18 25 You're My World - Cilla Black 27 30 22 20
    17 26 Shout - Lulu and The Lovers 26 24 28 19
    NEW 27 Why Not Tonight - The Mojos 29 21 27
    21 28 Hello Dolly - Frankie Vaughan 28 20 25
    22 29 Chapel Of Love - The Dixie Cups 25 29 28
    NEW 30 Near You - The Migil Five 23
    A Hard Day's Night (LP) - The Beatles 23 29 20
    I Get Around - The Beach Boys 30 28 22
    I Love You Because - Jim Reeves 29 25
    Dimples - John Lee Hooker 28 29
    Hello Dolly - Kenny Ball 27
    Here I Go Again - The Hollies 30 24
    The Rise And Fall Of Flingel Bunt - The Shadows 23

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  • MrTibbs
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    You are spot on with that Robin. I actually heard a Pick Of The Pops chart rundown with Alan Freeman for that week some time back and it confirms Roy Orbison coming down from No 1.

    By the way guys I'm just about to post the chart for 18th July, but I've had a few requests, Robin included, who helped me with the spreadsheet, to give the points as well for each chart position so from tomorrow I will post this information too.

    Brian

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