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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Brian, for 30 January 1960, the Expresso Bongo (EP) wasn't on the MM singles chart, but was on the MM EP chart, as Lonnie pointed out above. Therefore, shouldn't this EP be credited in your points total with an average chart position assigned to MM? Just to be consistent with what you were doing earlier with records on the RR EP chart that didn't chart on the RR singles chart. I think it would bump Expresso Bongo up a bit on your Ultimate Chart for this week. Rock on...

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  • kjell
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    The copyright prolongation idea started in the U.S. caused by Elvis nearing the 50 year limit for his first hits.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    The British Hit Parade series had to end at 1962 as the law on copyright changed which affected recordings from 1963 onwards. Until 2013 copyright on sound recordings existed for 50 years following the date of release. In 2013 this was extended to 70 years.

    https://swanturton.com/extension-of-...ormers-rights/

    Just in time for The Beatles though of course that was purely coincidental...
    I find it odd that music is treated so different to books. I believe there it's 70 years after the author's death that copyright runs out on books. I suppose sheet music falls into the book thing on copyright. It does make it very difficult to have an album, even of number one hits, after 1963. Not just because of the expense, but the copyright holder can refuse permission for it completely!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Chart Commentary

    Adam Faith closes in for a second #1 but Johnny Preston is closing the gap fast too. Perry Como and Nat King Cole score hits in the 60's now after highly successful 50's careers. As usual Nat's is a class ballad.
    The top ten chart positions between the papers is fairly close but below that the gaps widen considerably.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 5 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 20.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 27th 1960.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 27th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Why - Anthony Newley 1 1 1 1 1 6840
    3 2 Poor Me - Adam Faith 2 2 2 3 3 6524
    2 3 A Voice In The Wilderness - Cliff Richard 3 4 3 2 2 6392
    4 4 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddie Cannon 4 3 4 5 6 6098
    6 5 Pretty Blue Eyes - Craig Douglas 5 4 6 4 5 5986
    5 6 On A Slow Boat To China - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 6 6 7 6 4 5740
    10 7 Running Bear - Johnny Preston 7 7 5 7 8 5542
    8 8 Beyond The Sea (La Mer) - Bobby Darin 8 8 8 8 9 5194
    7 9 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 9 9 11 10 7 4958
    16 10 Be Mine - Lance Fortune 10 13 10 9 14 4386
    12 11 Harbour Lights - The Platters 11 11 16 11 10 4310
    13 12 Summer Set - Mr. Acker Bilk 13 10 14 15 15 4108
    15 13 Misty - Johnny Mathis 12 15 13 12 12 4032
    17 14 Bonnie Came Back - Duane Eddy 14 17 9 13 19 3724
    9 15 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 15 14 18 14 13 3686
    18 16 You Got What It Takes - Marv Johnson 16 12 12 17 3360
    11 17 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 17 16 20 17 16 3142
    14 18 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 18 20 20 11 2298
    NEW 19 Delaware - Perry Como 24 19 19 1736
    NEW 20 Who Could Be Bluer - Jerry Lordan 24 17 1400
    23 21 El Paso - Marty Robbins 26 18 1050
    21 22 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 18 20 1044
    26 23 Let It Be Me - The Everly Brothers 18 1040
    NEW 24 Royal Event - Russ Conway 19 14 1020
    20 25 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 19 960
    19 26 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 21 800
    27 27 Lucky Devil - Frank Ifield 22 720
    NEW 28 Time And The River - Nat King Cole 23 640
    NEW 29 Running Bear - Garry Mills 20 16 570
    25 30 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 27 320
    It's Time To Cry - Paul Anka 28 240
    Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard 29 160
    You Got What It Takes - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 30 80

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  • Metalweb
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    Well, that certainly explains it!

    Disappointing, they were impressively comprehensive and collectible CD box sets..

    Would have been up to 1970 by now...

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  • MrTibbs
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    I never knew that the copyright laws had changed to 70 years. That was no coincidence it happened on the threshold of Beatles main recordings lol.

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  • Robbie
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    The British Hit Parade series had to end at 1962 as the law on copyright changed which affected recordings from 1963 onwards. Until 2013 copyright on sound recordings existed for 50 years following the date of release. In 2013 this was extended to 70 years.

    https://swanturton.com/extension-of-...ormers-rights/

    Just in time for The Beatles though of course that was purely coincidental...

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  • kingofskiffle
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    They did all charting A-sides and, I think, B-Sides and RecordMirror etc records form 1952 to end 1962. They are taken directly from original 45 or 78 records, allegedly bought at the time and cleaned up - thus getting around (c) laws as the records are "out of (c). When 1963 came round the UK Government had amended (c) laws to stop this sort of thing. It was felt that the Beatles going out of (c) was too much to bear! See https://consequenceofsound.net/2013/...es-love-me-do/ as well as https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...release-tracks both form 2013 when tis was being discussed. Hence why we got some good releases in the years leading up to this!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah I believe I have seen the later fifties years too in that collection.

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  • Metalweb
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    ^

    Yes, those were great CD collections - I bought several of them when they came out a few years ago.

    They were released by an outfit called Acrobat when the tracks concerned had dropped out of 50 year copyright.

    For some reason the project ended with 1962!

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  • Graham76man
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    You can actually download or buy the CD's of the entire songs that made the charts for 1960 to 1962.
    The albums are called "The British Hit Parade" for 1060, 1961 and 1962. They generally come in two parts for each year. January to June, then July to December.
    Last time I checked they never got around to 1963. Perhaps due to the copyright issues with the Beatles tracks that later years would have.
    Prices are around 10 to 12 for each part (MP3) but you do get around 180 tracks on each part!
    They would compliment Brian's charts perfectly!

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  • MrTibbs
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    There were no 'breakers' in the chart above for that week. Below the Top Ten the points are all over the place as usual.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 7 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 20th 1960.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 20th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Why - Anthony Newley 1 1 1 1 1 6840
    2 2 A Voice In The Wilderness - Cliff Richard 2 2 2 2 2 6612
    5 3 Poor Me - Adam Faith 3 3 3 3 4 6334
    3 4 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 4 4 4 6 5 6030
    7 5 On A Slow Boat To China - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 5 5 6 4 6 5856
    6 6 Pretty Blue Eyes - Craig Douglas 6 6 5 5 7 5748
    4 7 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 7 7 7 7 3 5672
    10 8 Beyond The Sea (La Mer) - Bobby Darin 8 9 9 9 9 5016
    8 9 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 9 11 11 8 8 4824
    17 10 Running Bear - Johnny Preston 10 8 8 10 16 4768
    9 11 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 11 10 10 14 10 4636
    14 12 Harbour Lights - The Platters 12 16 12 13 12 3974
    12 13 Summer Set - Mr. Acker Bilk 14 12 13 17 15 3932
    11 14 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 13 14 19 12 11 3802
    13 15 Misty - Johnny Mathis 15 13 17 18 14 3624
    NEW 16 Be Mine - Lance Fortune 16 22 14 11 2500
    NEW 17 Bonnie Came Back - Duane Eddy 17= 20 16 15 2388
    21 18 You Got What It Takes - Marv Johnson 17= 15 15 2240
    18 19 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 18 19 20 2046
    20 20 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 25 18 18 1910
    19 21 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 19 19 13 1860
    15 22 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 17 20 1538
    23 23 El Paso - Marty Robbins 22 17 1420
    NEW 24 Happy Anniversary - Joan Regan 20 29 20 16 1390
    16 25 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 24 19 1160
    24 26 Let It Be Me - The Everly Brothers 20 880
    NEW 27 Lucky Devil - Frank Ifield 26 400
    26 28 Hallelujah I Love Her So - Eddie Cochran 27 320
    27 29 You Got What It Takes - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 28 240
    22 30 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard 30 80

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post

    Perhaps the reason Cliff did not reach number one was that "A Voice In The Wilderness" was also a track on the EP. Some fans would not purchase both.
    Yeah I agree Brian if buyers had it on the EP they wouldn't go out and buy the single, also the EP was selling well as it was #1 on the EP chart.

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  • brian05
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    NEW 28 Strictly Elvis (EP) - Elvis Presley

    Yet another EP to make the NME singles chart. (by Mister EP himself!)

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  • brian05
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    2 A Voice In The Wilderness - Cliff Richard
    22 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard
    Perhaps the reason Cliff did not reach number one was that "A Voice In The Wilderness" was also a track on the EP. Some fans would not purchase both.

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  • Metalweb
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    ^

    One of the more uncontroversial death discs of the era!

    Probably considered rather politically incorrect nowadays though...

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  • MrTibbs
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    Most of the records I like from this era , have been liked retrospectively as I have little memory of most from the actual time.
    Having said that I usually listen to those I don't immediately recognise on You Tube as I compile the chart and a surprising amount stir a distant memory which I assume was from radio or such at the time and since long forgotten.

    Entering this week is Running Bear, well remembered as I had an older cousin who learned it off by heart and performed it on family occasions for years to come. Needless to say his version never charted !!!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are again 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 13th 1960.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 13th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Why - Anthony Newley 1 1 1 1 1 6840
    2 2 A Voice In The Wilderness - Cliff Richard 2 2 2 2 2 6612
    4 3 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 4 3 4 4 4 6236
    3 4 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 3 5 3 3 3 6224
    7 5 Poor Me - Adam Faith 5 4 5 5 6 5958
    13 6 Pretty Blue Eyes - Craig Douglas 6 6 7 6 10 5440
    20 7 On A Slow Boat To China - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 7 6 8 7 9 5392
    6 8 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 8 9 9 8 5 5254
    5 9 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 9 10 6 9 7 5216
    17 10 Beyond The Sea (La Mer) - Bobby Darin 11 8 10 11 19 4460
    8 11 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 10 14 11 13 8 4394
    14 12 Summer Set - Mr. Acker Bilk 12 11 13 14 14 4176
    12 13 Misty - Johnny Mathis 13 12 14 12 16 4012
    19 14 Harbour Lights - The Platters 14 16 14 10 15 3818
    11 15 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 15 14 20 16 13 3490
    9 16 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 17 20 19 17 12 3082
    NEW 17 Running Bear - Johnny Preston 16 13 12 18 3074
    16 18 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 19 18 20 15 20 2858
    10 19 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 18 17 20 11 2538
    15 20 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 20 17 19 18 1946
    NEW 21 You Got What It Takes - Marv Johnson 21 18 1580
    18 22 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard 23 16 1540
    21 23 El Paso - Marty Robbins 19 960
    NEW 24 Let It Be Me - The Everly Brothers 22 720
    25 25 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 17 700
    26 26 Hallelujah I Love Her So - Eddie Cochran 24 560
    NEW 27 You Got What It Takes - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates 25 480
    NEW 28 Strictly Elvis (EP) - Elvis Presley 26 400
    24 29 Why - Frankie Avalon 27 320
    22 29 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 27 320
    Time And The River - Nat King Cole 29 160
    The Big Hurt - Toni Fisher 30 80

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Just in from work guys !

    Craig Douglas's cover of Steve Lawrence's Pretty Blue Eyes was actually the better version and Steve's never charted here. Similarly Anthony Newley's Why was superior to Frankie Avalon's, who did also chart here.

    There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 6th 1960.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 6th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Why - Anthony Newley 1 1 1 1 1 6840
    4 2 A Voice In The Wilderness - Cliff Richard 2 2 2 2 2 6612
    1 3 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 3 3 3 3 3 6384
    5 4 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 4 4 4 4 5 6106
    7 5 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 5 5 5 5 6 5878
    3 6 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 6 6 7 6 4 5740
    25 7 Poor Me - Adam Faith 7 7 6 7 10 5382
    6 8 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 8 8 11 8 7 5114
    8 9 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 9 9 12 11 8 4810
    9 10 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 10 11 13 9 11 4516
    10 11 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 11 10 15 18 9 4234
    18 12 Misty - Johnny Mathis 13 15 16 10 18 3628
    21 13 Pretty Blue Eyes - Craig Douglas 12 12 9 12 3562
    16 14 Summer Set - Mr. Acker Bilk 14= 17 10 20 17 3498
    12 15 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 17 17 19 15 15 3248
    11 16 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 14= 13 14 16 2836
    29 17 Beyond The Sea (La Mer) - Bobby Darin 18 15 14 17 2832
    13 18 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard 14= 14 8 2740
    23 19 Harbour Lights - The Platters 19 17 20 13 2464
    NEW 20 On A Slow Boat To China - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 21 20 16 2030
    26 21 El Paso - Marty Robbins 24 17 19 1856
    19 22 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 20 20 13 1780
    14 23 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 23 12 1590
    17 24 Why - Frankie Avalon 27 18 1100
    22 25 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 14 850
    RE 26 Hallelujah I Love Her So - Eddie Cochran 22 720
    24 27 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 19 600
    28 28 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 20 550
    RE 29 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 25 480
    30 30 What More Do You Want - Frankie Vaughan 26 400
    I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Johnny Ray 28 240
    Happy Anniversary - Joan Regan 29 160
    Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 30 80
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri December 18, 2020, 19:55.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Sunday 3rd January 1960 was when the Radio Luxembourg chart show switched over to being records, using the NMEs Top 20. So in this respect the BBC were ahead of them!

    Previously Luxembourg had used the best selling sheet music chart compiled by The Music Publishers Association. In the last one of these broadcast on 27th December 1959 'Little Donkey' had been number one, so it was quite a change for it to be at only 16 in their first record chart the following week.
    The MPA didn't stop publishing the Sheet Music chart at that point. In fact it continued till 1985. Though publication in the press ceased in 1965.
    Mary's Boy Child in comparison with Brian's Chart was the highest causality at 5. And the sheet music chart was a top 30 too!
    Even in 1960 the Music Publishers themselves still controlled the industry. Song writers went to the publishers first and then the record companies got the songs sent to them and then a few men would say which artist sang what song. Hence the duplicate songs by different artists. The phrase "old grey whistle test" started with this system. If the song was whistled by the music publishers cleaner, then it was certain to be a hit!

    At this point in time the Friday release date was still in the future. And it's likely all the new hits for each month went to the shops in week one or two (though mostly week one) of the start of each month. So even "Misty - Johnny Mathis" had probably been out for several weeks before it entered the chart. 45 Cat has it down for December!
    It makes you wonder why it took nearly 8 weeks to sell, if that was the case?

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  • Splodj
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    Sunday 3rd January 1960 was when the Radio Luxembourg chart show switched over to being records, using the NMEs Top 20. So in this respect the BBC were ahead of them!

    Previously Luxembourg had used the best selling sheet music chart compiled by The Music Publishers Association. In the last one of these broadcast on 27th December 1959 'Little Donkey' had been number one, so it was quite a change for it to be at only 16 in their first record chart the following week.

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  • MrTibbs
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    It's amazing how records can rank high in one or more charts yet not appear at all in another.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    The first EP in MMs singles chart that I can see is 'Twist and Shout' on 27th July 1963.
    The last EP chart they printed on it's own was 25 May 1963 - which makes sense as to seeing EP's after that date.

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