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  • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Great to see this historic project continuing, and that all is well with Mr Tibbs.

    First appearance of Peggy Lee. But she'd had hits in the USA since 1941, so is she featured in the Colin Brown book?
    Peggy Lee, without a doubt one of the all time greats !
    Thanks splodj for the welcome back.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

      ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 1st 1957

      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 1st 1957 NME MM RM Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 25 60 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
      1 1 Butterfly - Andy Williams 1 1 1 4500
      3 2 Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray 3 2 2 4285
      2 3 Rock-A-Billy - Guy Mitchell 2 3 3 4265
      4 4 When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole 4 4 4 4050
      10 5 Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey 5 6 6 3815
      5 6 I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen - Slim Whitman 7 5 5 3770
      8 7 Too Much - Elvis Presley 6 7 8 3605
      6 8 Cumberland Gap - Lonnie Donegan 8 9 9 3365
      7 9 Baby Baby - Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers 12 8 7 3250
      9 10 Ninety-Nine Ways - Tab Hunter 9 10 11 3155
      14 11 Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee 10 14 10 3050
      NEW 12 Around The World - Gracie Fields 11 11 14 2820
      26 13 Around The World - Bing Crosby 14 16 12 2620
      11 14 Butterfingers - Tommy Steele 16 13 13 2505
      15 15 Chapel Of The Roses - Malcolm Vaughan 13 17 19 2240
      20 16 Around The World - Ronnie Hilton 14 15 2065
      29 17 I'm Sorry - The Platters 18 19 18 1925
      17 18 Long Tall Sally - Little Richard 15 16 1300
      16 19 Look Homeward Angel - Johnnie Ray 20 17 1115
      25 20 Young Love - Tab Hunter 19 20 1055
      12 21 The Banana Boat Song - Harry Belafonte 20 20 990
      19 22 The Girl Can't Help It - Little Richard (A) 18 20 985
      13 23 Butterfly - Charlie Gracie 17 910
      30 24 We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton 21 650
      27 25 She's Got It - Little Richard (B) 29 12 605
      NEW 26 Little Darlin' - The Diamonds 22 585
      18 26 I'm Walkin' - Fats Domino 22 585
      23 28 Mangos - Rosemary Clooney 24 455
      22 29 Why Baby Why - Pat Boone 25 390
      RE 30 The World Is Mine - Malcolm Vaughan 26 325
      A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene 20 275
      A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers 27 260
      Around The World - Mantovani 27 260
      Streamline Train - The Vipers Skiffle Group 30 65
      21 Heart - Max Bygraves
      24 Party Doll - Buddy Knox
      28 Love Is A Golden Ring - Frankie Laine
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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      • Welcome back Mr Tibbs. It looks like there's a rush on people going "Around the World" (x4) wearing "A White Sport Coat" (x2)(At first I read it as sports car would have been more apt - oh well!).

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        • It's good to be back brain doing what I, and you guys enjoy, pouring over the UAC and comparing music paper chart positions
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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          • Really liked Freight Train. Thought the way it was done, her vocals and the washboard, all worked very well.
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            • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
              Really liked Freight Train. Thought the way it was done, her vocals and the washboard, all worked very well.
              Yeah it was a gem of a single. My dad a big skiffle enthusiast back then had it on a 78. I was of course too young back then to appreciate the genre but later made up for it collecting that, Lonnie D, and The Vipers .
              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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              • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 8th 1957

                Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 8th 1957 NME MM RM Total
                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 25 60 Points
                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                2 1 Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray 1 2 1 4475
                1 2 Butterfly - Andy Williams 2 1 2 4375
                4 3 When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole 3 4 3 4175
                3 4 Rock-A-Billy - Guy Mitchell 3 3 4 4140
                5 5 Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey 6 6 5 3810
                11 6 Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee 5 6 9 3635
                16 7 Around The World - Ronnie Hilton 7 10 7 3525
                6 8 I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen - Slim Whitman 10 5 6 3515
                12 9 Around The World - Gracie Fields 8 8 10 3330
                13 10 Around The World - Bing Crosby 9 11 8 3310
                7 11 Too Much - Elvis Presley 12 12 11 2910
                NEW 12 Gamblin' Man / Puttin' On The Style - Lonnie Donegan 11 9 15 2810
                26 13 Little Darlin' - The Diamonds 14 18 13 2510
                14 14 Butterfingers - Tommy Steele 18 15 12 2385
                10 15 Ninety-Nine Ways - Tab Hunter 16 12 17 2290
                15 16 Chapel Of The Roses - Malcolm Vaughan 15 19 18 2120
                24 17 We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton 19 14 16 2105
                9 18 Baby Baby - Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers 22 19 14 1905
                NEW 19 A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers 17 19 1630
                8 20 Cumberland Gap - Lonnie Donegan 13 16 1545
                NEW 21 A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene 25 20 1050
                NEW 22 Around The World - Mantovani 20 715
                17 23 I'm Sorry - The Platters 21 650
                21 24 The Banana Boat Song - Harry Belafonte 28 17 545
                NEW 25 Streamline Train - The Vipers Skiffle Group 23 520
                20 26 Young Love - Tab Hunter 24 455
                23 27 Butterfly - Charlie Gracie 26 325
                28 28 Mangos - Rosemary Clooney 27 260
                29 29 Why Baby Why - Pat Boone 29 130
                NEW 30 I'll Find You - David Whitfield 30 65
                18 Long Tall Sally - Little Richard
                19 Look Homeward Angel - Johnnie Ray
                22 The Girl Can't Help It - Little Richard (A)
                25 She's Got It - Little Richard (B)
                26 I'm Walkin' - Fats Domino
                30 The World Is Mine - Malcolm Vaughan
                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                • The above Top Ten is hugely interesting. Here we are in the depths of a brave new musical era of rock'n'roll and skiffle and yet with the exception of Chas McDevitt's skiffle group we could be looking at a top ten from the early fifties with sing a long pop and romantic ballads.

                  Nothing wrong with that of course, but the music historians would have us believe that along came rock'n'roll and the old guard were swept away in this new tidal wave of change. Somebody didn't tell Johnnie, Nat, Guy, Peggy, Ronnie, Slim, Gracie or Bing that their time was up.
                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                  • You can go around the world 4 times and buy 2 white sports coats!

                    7 Around The World - Ronnie Hilton
                    9 Around The World - Gracie Fields
                    10 Around The World - Bing Crosby
                    22 Around The World - Mantovani


                    19 A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers
                    21 A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene

                    Just noticed the post by @braindeadpj . He beat me to it!
                    Last edited by brian05; Wed January 26, 2022, 14:22.

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                    • From this week's chart Josephine went Around The World four times wearing two White Sports Coats on the Freight Train to find Mr Wonderful who would be her Young Love. They would marry in the Chapel of The Roses but her Little Darlin' was a Gamblin' Man who spent Too Much in the Rock-A-Billy club. She asked Why Baby Why. He said I'm Sorry and gave her a Butterfly brooch and they returned home again on The Streamline Train by way of the Cumberland Gap singing The Banana Boat Song in Ninety Nine Ways. He told her We Will Make Love she said I'm Walkin' but he said I'll Find You, she asked how will you do that and he replied I will Look Homeward Angel till I find my Baby Baby.

                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                      • Wow thats excellent!
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                        Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                        • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                          ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 15th 1957

                          Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 15th 1957 NME MM RM Total
                          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 25 60 Points
                          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                          1 1 Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray 1 1 1 4500
                          3 2 When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole 2 3 2 4325
                          2 3 Butterfly - Andy Williams 3 2 3 4225
                          4 4 Rock-A-Billy - Guy Mitchell 4 4 4 4050
                          7 5 Around The World - Ronnie Hilton 5 5 6 3840
                          10 6 Around The World - Bing Crosby 6 6 7 3690
                          13 7 Little Darlin' - The Diamonds 8 7 5 3655
                          12 8 Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan 7 8 3528
                          6 9 Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee 10 9 9 3235
                          5 10 Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey 9 8 11 3205
                          9 11 Around The World - Gracie Fields 10 11 10 3125
                          11 12 Too Much - Elvis Presley 12 12 13 2790
                          17 13 We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton 15 16 12 2555
                          8 14 I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen - Slim Whitman 14 14 14 2550
                          18 15 Baby Baby - Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers 17 18 19 1955
                          16 16 Chapel Of The Roses - Malcolm Vaughan 13 18 1950
                          14 17 Butterfingers - Tommy Steele 21 15 16 1950
                          19 18 A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers 16 17 1815
                          15 19 Ninety-Nine Ways - Tab Hunter 20 17 20 1725
                          23 20 I'm Sorry - The Platters 18 20 1120
                          20 21 Cumberland Gap - Lonnie Donegan 19 780
                          24 22 The Banana Boat Song - Harry Belafonte 25 19 690
                          21 23 A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene 22 585
                          22 24 Around The World - Mantovani 23 520
                          NEW 25 All Shook Up - Elvis Presley 24 455
                          NEW 26 Fabulous - Charlie Gracie 26 325
                          30 27 I'll Find You - David Whitfield 27 260
                          NEW 28 Greenback Dollar - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group 28 195
                          NEW 29 Island In The Sun - Harry Belefonte 29 130
                          25 29 Streamline Train - The Vipers Skiffle Group 29 130
                          Gamblin' Man - Lonnie Donegan (B) 10
                          Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan (A) 13 15
                          26 Young Love - Tab Hu nter
                          27 Butterfly - Charlie Gracie
                          28 Mangos - Rosemary Clooney
                          29 Why Baby Why - Pat Boone
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                          • 45cat says 'All Shook Up' was released on 21st June. If true it is entering the NME chart purely on advance orders, as the first 2 days of sale will not be represented until the chart after next (w/e 29th June).

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                            • From NME for 12th July 1957.

                              It took just three weeks for his latest hit, the breathless, jerky " All Shook Up," to jump up the NME Top Thirty ladder to top place.

                              Even when dealers were allowed " request only " 45 rpm copies made specially for American Forces in Europe - enough were sold to make the Hit List.

                              Now that HMV's " Shook Up " is released on both 45 and 78 rpm, record dealers can't get copies fast enough. Listen to the disc and find out why.

                              So did Elvis make the NME chart on import sales alone?

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                              • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                                From NME for 12th July 1957.

                                It took just three weeks for his latest hit, the breathless, jerky " All Shook Up," to jump up the NME Top Thirty ladder to top place.

                                Even when dealers were allowed " request only " 45 rpm copies made specially for American Forces in Europe - enough were sold to make the Hit List.

                                Now that HMV's " Shook Up " is released on both 45 and 78 rpm, record dealers can't get copies fast enough. Listen to the disc and find out why.

                                So did Elvis make the NME chart on import sales alone?
                                I believe so guys. It will drop out of the chart surprisingly next week before re-entering again which seems to suggest this week is not based on UK release sales.
                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                • So in a detailed listing a different catalogue number should be applied for this week.

                                  As advanced orders were enormous, this indicates that they were not taken into account by NME then.

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                                  • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                    So in a detailed listing a different catalogue number should be applied for this week.

                                    As advanced orders were enormous, this indicates that they were not taken into account by NME then.
                                    Were not going down that road again

                                    The NME chart was based on them phoning up record dealers, so if the record dealers didn't put a record in the list then it would not register on the chart. It's unlikely that any of the shops put in advanced orders, because the NME was asking for best sellers, not what the shop ordered. The NME staff would not dare put a record in the chart that wasn't actually selling, especially a well known track as the other Music Press would have had a go at them for fiddling the chart.

                                    Fixed release dates were not common at this point so if a record does have a release date it would have been considered important by the Record Label to confirm to shops when they could get it. Most records at this point were still being issued on the first and second week of each month, just like in the Colin Brown book. The switch to the Friday weekly day happened sometime after 1960.
                                    The fact that imports made the chart for a week, and drop out next week, might be due to the NME phoning different shops each week. Brian Epstein's shop is known to be a chart shop in several charts. He always had imports. And that would apply to any shop that was in a port town.
                                    Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                      ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 22nd 1957

                                      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 22nd 1957 NME MM RM Total
                                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 25 60 Points
                                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
                                      1 1 Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray 1 1 1 4500
                                      8 2 Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan 2 2 4350
                                      2 3 When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole 3 2 3 4225
                                      3 4 Butterfly - Andy Williams 4 3 5 4015
                                      6 5 Around The World - Bing Crosby 5 6 4 3935
                                      5 6 Around The World - Ronnie Hilton 7 4 6 3735
                                      7 7 Little Darlin' - The Diamonds 6 8 9 3520
                                      4 8 Rock-A-Billy - Guy Mitchell 11 7 7 3340
                                      9 9 Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee 10 10 8 3270
                                      11 10 Around The World - Gracie Fields 9 9 10 3240
                                      10 11 Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey 8 12 12 3110
                                      18 12 A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers 12 14 11 2860
                                      13 13 We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton 13 13 13 2700
                                      12 14 Too Much - Elvis Presley 14 16 15 2440
                                      17 15 Butterfingers - Tommy Steele 18 17 14 2215
                                      23 16 A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene 18 15 16 2145
                                      14 17 I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen - Slim Whitman 17 18 17 2075
                                      29 18 Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte 15 19 1760
                                      20 19 I'm Sorry - The Platters 21 19 20 1610
                                      15 20 Baby Baby - Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers 23 18 1300
                                      26 21 Fabulous - Charlie Gracie 16 19 1275
                                      16 22 Chapel Of The Roses - Malcolm Vaughan 20 715
                                      NEW 23 Fire Down Below - Jeri Southern 22 585
                                      NEW 24 School Day - Chuck Berry 24 455
                                      NEW 24 I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams 24 455
                                      NEW 26 Travellin' Home - Vera Lynn 26 325
                                      24 27 Around The World - Mantovani 27 260
                                      22 28 The Banana Boat Song - Harry Belafonte 28 195
                                      21 29 Cumberland Gap - Lonnie Donegan 29 130
                                      19 30 Ninety-Nine Ways - Tab Hunter 30 65
                                      Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan 5
                                      Gamblin' Man - Lonnie Donegan 11
                                      25 All Shook Up - Elvis Presley
                                      27 I'll Find You - David Whitfield
                                      28 Greenback Dollar - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group
                                      29 Streamline Train - The Vipers Skiffle Group
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                      • I strongly suspect, had Melody Maker combined sides into one listing position, probably pushing it to 4 or even 3 in there chart, that Lonnie Donegan would have been number 1 this week…..
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                                        Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                        • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
                                          I strongly suspect, had Melody Maker combined sides into one listing position, probably pushing it to 4 or even 3 in there chart, that Lonnie Donegan would have been number 1 this week…..
                                          It definitely looks that way.

                                          My mother used to own the single, on 10" if I recall.I never cared for 'Puttin' On The Style'. However as that was my introduction to Lonnie Donegan (along with another my mother owned, 'My Old Man's A Dustman') I used to assume he was a novelty act! I remember being surprised when I later found out he had a substantial chart career with non-novelty type songs.

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                                          • Yes I think he is perhaps more known as a novelty act. I do wonder what his career or memory would be like had he not done Dustman and Chewing Gum. There are some other novelty ones such as his recording with Max Milker but those are the charting two.
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                                            Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                            • How could MM placing it at 3 or 4 have made it go up? Surely that would have dragged it down.

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                                              • Yeah I credited it with an average of 2 from NME and RM so it is unlikely it would be #1 in MM this week, joint 2 at best if combined I think the same as the others.
                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                                • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
                                                  Yes I think he is perhaps more known as a novelty act. I do wonder what his career or memory would be like had he not done Dustman and Chewing Gum. There are some other novelty ones such as his recording with Max Milker but those are the charting two.
                                                  He was really innovative at the time though and well ahead of the game with the vast majority of his material. I don't think the novelties detracted from this as it demonstrated how versatile an artist he was.
                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                                  • Effectively you had assumed it was 2 in MM, so had it been 3 or 4 in MM - as suggested - that would inevitably have resulted in a lower score.

                                                    Going back to that Elvis ​​record for US troops in Europe, NME said that dealers could get them on a 'request only' basis. Presumably this means they requested them from RCA, who provided them to stores through their normal distribition network.

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