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  • Splodj
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    The first EP in MMs singles chart that I can see is 'Twist and Shout' on 27th July 1963.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard
    Present in 3 of the papers but not Melody Maker. Wonder why?
    Melody Maker had an EP chart from November 1959 and so it was listed in that. Below is the chart for 30 Jan 1960 from Melody Maker.
    Wks Lwk Twk Artist Title UKLabel CatNum
    7 1 1 Cliff Richard and the Shadows Expresso Bongo (OST) Columbia 7'': SEG 7971
    9 2 2 Tommy Steele, Accompaniment directed by Stanley Black Tommy The Toreador Decca 7'': DFE 6607
    2 4 3 Elvis Presley Strictly Elvis RCA 7'': RCX 175
    11 3 4 Paddy Roberts Strictly For Grown-Ups Decca 7'': DFE 6584
    11 6 5 Cliff Richard and the Shadows Cliff Sings No. 2 Columbia 7'': SEG7987
    3 10 6 Nina and Frederik Nina And Frederik No. 1 Columbia 7'': SEG 7926
    10 5 7 Elvis Presley A Touch Of Gold (Volume 1) RCA 7'': RCX 1045
    1 NE 8 Robert Horton Sunday Night At The London Palladium Pye 7'': NEP 24118
    7 RE 9 Cliff Richard and the Shadows Cliff No 1 Columbia 7'': SEG 7903
    10 7 10 Mario Lanza The Student Prince (OST) RCA Victor 7'': RCX 133

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  • brian05
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    Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard
    Present in 3 of the papers but not Melody Maker. Wonder why?

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    There are 6 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.
    However those are the bottom 6 places, so quite a high degree of alignment.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 7 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 30th 1960.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 30th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 1 1 2 2 1 6742
    4 2 Why - Anthony Newley 2 2 1 1 4 6610
    1 3 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 3 3 5 3 2 6314
    12 4 A Voice In The Wilderness - Cliff Richard 4 4 3 4 3 6266
    8 5 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 5 5 4 5 6 5938
    3 6 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 6 7 7 6 5 5610
    10 7 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 7 6 6 8 7 5574
    5 8 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 8 7 8 7 8 5362
    7 9 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 9 11 9 9 10 4806
    6 10 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 10 9 12 12 9 4722
    11 11 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 11 12 17 10 16 3908
    15 12 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 12 14 15 13 14 3854
    21 13 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard* 14 15 10 19 3763
    9 14 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 13 10 18 11 3174
    16 15 Too Good - Little Tony 15= 23 13 14 20 2916
    24 16 Summer Set - Mr. Acker Bilk 15= 15 11 2480
    20 17 Why - Frankie Avalon 19= 20 15 17 2372
    NEW 18 Misty - Johnny Mathis 17 19 11 18 2370
    19 19 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 18 13 17 2140
    23 20 Dance With Me - The Drifters 22 18 15 2108
    29 21 Pretty Blue Eyes - Craig Douglas 25 14 19 1956
    13 22 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 19= 29 19 12 1830
    NEW 23 Harbour Lights - The Platters 17 16 1690
    17 24 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 20 13 1318
    28 25 Poor Me - Adam Faith 18 1040
    NEW 26 El Paso - Marty Robbins 28 20 900
    18 27 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 21 800
    14 28 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 15 800
    NEW 29 Beyond The Sea (La Mer) - Bobby Darin 24 560
    NEW 30 What More Do You Want - Frankie Vaughan 25 480
    The Big Hurt - Maureen Evans 27 320
    Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 29 160
    * Average of 14.6 taken from NME, RM, Disc, and
    awarded to MM to give a more representative chart
    position.
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri January 15, 2021, 15:23.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Ha Ha, told you these early years the charts are all over the place, and that's even before RR enters the arena
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Mon December 7, 2020, 07:40.

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  • Splodj
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    So far the most discernible trait is that Disc appears to be the slowcoach.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 23rd 1960.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 23rd 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 1 3 1 1 6720
    4 2 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 2 3 2 3 3 6444
    2 3 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 3 4 4 2 2 6332
    15 4 Why - Anthony Newley 4 2 1 4 13 6046
    3 5 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 5 6 5 5 7 5748
    6 6 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 7 7 6 12 4 5492
    7 7 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 6 8 8 7 5 5432
    11 8 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 8 5 7 6 15 5270
    5 9 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 9 12 11 9 6 4806
    21 10 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 10 9 9 10 18 4528
    9 11 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 12 11 12 16 8 4460
    NEW 12 A Voice In The Wilderness - Cliff Richard 11 10 10 8 19 4414
    8 13 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 13 13 14 11 10 4270
    13 14 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 15 15 14 18 14 3644
    12 15 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 14 14 13 12 2994
    20 16 Too Good - Little Tony 19 21 13 17 2412
    14 17 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 16 17 19 9 2396
    10 18 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 18 19 14 16 2356
    16 19 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 17 16 11 2200
    NEW 20 Why - Frankie Avalon 20= 20 20 15 2148
    27 21 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard 20= 18 16 1940
    17 22 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 21 20 17 1918
    26 23 Dance With Me - The Drifters 17 19 1840
    NEW 24 Summer Set - Mr. Acker Bilk 23 18 1420
    18 25 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 25 20 1030
    22 26 Wild Cat - Gene Vincent 24 560
    NEW 27 The Big Hurt - Maureen Evans 26 400
    NEW 28 Poor Me - Adam Faith 27 320
    NEW 29 Hallelujah I Love Her So - Eddie Cochrane 28 240
    NEW 29 Pretty Blue Eyes - Craig Douglas 28 240
    Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 30 80
    Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 30 80

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Metalweb View Post
    The Four Tops version was pretty good...
    Yeah, The Tops at least kept to the original arrangement, and Levi Stubbs did it justice.

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  • Metalweb
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    The Four Tops version was pretty good...

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  • MrTibbs
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    Macarthur Park was epic and in Richard Harris's hands it was a work of art, and then Donna Summer came along and reduced its grandeur to mere sterile disco fodder.

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  • Robbie
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    Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

    On a similar vain to that John Miles Music should have done that too. Stopped by Brotherhood of Man Euro trash song! That's what I call injustice
    Not just Brotherhood Of Man but also the combined might of Barry White (1 week) and Abba too (for 2 weeks) at number 2.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post

    To me 'Macarthur Park' also had the grandeur of a number one. And it would have been nice not to wait 27 years for 'Love is all around' to make it!
    On a similar vain to that John Miles Music should have done that too. Stopped by Brotherhood of Man Euro trash song! That's what I call injustice

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Yeah Robin. It's one of only a few records throughout the entire decade that left me bitterly disappointed that it failed to reach the top.
    To me 'Macarthur Park' also had the grandeur of a number one. And it would have been nice not to wait 27 years for 'Love is all around' to make it!

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  • Metalweb
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    Forgotten fact: Blondie used to open their early gigs with their own interpretation of "Summer Place".....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_4puBs9AbY

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  • MrTibbs
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    Anthony Newley's Why debuts this week. My memories of music prior to 1963, when I was catapulted headlong into a love of music and charts I hold dear to this day, was vague but a handful of songs before then stand out for me as a specific memory. This is one of them, I can clearly remember it being played on the jukebox in a cafe one of my parents took me into at the time, and it's stayed with me since.
    Another one I hold dear from 1960 that's soon gonna appear is Percy Faith's wonderful 'Summer Place'. mmmmmmmmm !

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 16th 1960.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 16th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 1 1 1 1 6840
    2 2 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 2 2 2 2 2 6612
    3 3 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 3 3 3 3 3 6384
    14 4 Starry Eyed - Michael Holiday 4 5 4 7 4 5962
    4 5 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 5 6 7 4 5 5766
    5 6 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 7 4 5 9 9 5656
    6 7 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 6 7 6 6 6 5620
    8 8 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 8 9 8 8 10 5064
    7 9 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 9 8 15 12 8 4672
    9 10 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 10 12 14 5 14 4378
    21 11 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 11 10 9 10 20 4348
    16 12 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 12 11 12 14 13 4286
    15 13 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 15 14 10 17 17 3852
    11 14 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 14 17 13 13 12 3834
    NEW 15 Why - Anthony Newley 13 12 10 11 3540
    20 16 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 17 15 18 20 16 3228
    12 17 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 16 24 17 15 7 3208
    10 18 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 17 20 20 18 11 3034
    18 19 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 19 18 16 16 2510
    25 20 Too Good - Little Tony 20= 19 19 19 2280
    22 21 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 20= 15 1280
    23 22 Wild Cat - Gene Vincent 21 19 1256
    17 23 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 15 800
    24 24 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 22 720
    19 25 Jingle Bell Rock - Max Bygraves 18 650
    28 26 Dance With Me - The Drifters 23 640
    NEW 27 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard 25 480
    29 28 I'll Stay Single - Jerry Lordan 26 400
    NEW 29 When You Ask About Love - The Crickets 27 320
    RE 30 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 28 240
    Too Young - Bill Forbes 29 160
    I Wanna Be Loved - Ricky Nelson 30 80

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah Robin. It's one of only a few records throughout the entire decade that left me bitterly disappointed that it failed to reach the top. If only MM and NME had agreed on the same week

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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Flashing back for a sec to "Eloise" by Barry Ryan in Oct/Nov/Dec 1968, I looked it up on the Top Pops/Music Now charts. It didn't reach #1 there either, the chart run was:

    26-13-5-4-2-2-2-4-7-20-28

    It was on Top of the Pops 4 times, as a new record prior to charting, then at #'s 14, 5, and 2.

    Now back to our regular scheduled programming...

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 7 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 9th 1960.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 9th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 1 1 1 1 6840
    2 2 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 2 2 2 2 2 6612
    4 3 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 3 3 3 3 3 6384
    3 4 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 4 4 4 4 4 6156
    8 5 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 5 5 5 7 5 5852
    12 6 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 6 6 6 6 14 5300
    9 7 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 7 8 11 8 8 5064
    13 8 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 9 7 7 9 15 4996
    5 9 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 8 9 9 5 13 4968
    15 10 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 10 10 12 12 11 4542
    14 11 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 11 12 10 11 16 4290
    11 12 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 12 11 17 15 9 4148
    7 13 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 13 20 13 13 6 3894
    28 14 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 15 14 14 20 10 3848
    21 15 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 14 17 8 14 17 3846
    23 16 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 17 13 16 19 18 3446
    10 17 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 18 15 18 12 3010
    19 18 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 16 18 15 10 2798
    6 19 Jingle Bell Rock - Max Bygraves 19 25 18 7 2174
    28 20 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 20 18 17 19 2172
    25 21 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 20 20 1540
    22 22 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 16 1200
    NEW 23 Wild Cat - Gene Vincent 28 20 790
    17 24 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 22 720
    NEW 25 Too Good - Little Tony 19 720
    20 26 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 23 640
    28 27 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 16 570
    NEW 28 Dance With Me - The Drifters 24 560
    NEW 29 I'll Stay Single - Jerry Lordan 26 400
    NEW 29 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Johnny Ray 26 400
    Piano Party - Winifred Atwell 29 160
    We Got Love - Alma Cogan 29 160

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  • kjell
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    I agree both on keeping the thread in one place and on continuing with 30. Amazing how many super weeklies you’ve done in such a limited time, enjoyable all the way. For me I expect the early sixties to be even more fascinating. I moved away from the mountains radio shade in August 62 to the town of Molde where I really could hear Lux better than the background noises. 62 and 63 has done the most when it comes to defining my musical taste. More than half a century has passed since these moments in time and you’re the only one to undertake this project. You really deserve your big following.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    RM did not publish a chart for this week. The BBC only compiled a Top 20 at this time but I intend to continue compiling a full Top 30. There were no 'breakers' outside the Top 30 this week.

    There are 17 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 2nd 1960. Enjoy !



    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 2nd 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 1 1 1 5040
    2 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 2 2 2 2 4872
    3 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 4 3 5 3 4628
    4 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 3 4 3 4 4574
    5 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 5 5 4 9 4206
    6 Jingle Bell Rock - Max Bygraves 7 7 8 6 4044
    7 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 6 8 6 8 3940
    8 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 9 8 15 7 3648
    9 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 11 6 14 11 3646
    10 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 8 11 13 5 3584
    11 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 10 12 7 12 3382
    12 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 14 10 10 18 3128
    13 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 15 14 11 14 2970
    14 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 12 13 12 15 2962
    15 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 13 19 9 10 2846
    16 Little Donkey - The Beverly Sisters 16 16 17 13 2632
    17 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 19= 17 20 16 2288
    18 Piano Party - Winifred Atwell 17 15 17 1980
    19 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 19= 22 19 20 1726
    20 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 19 16 1530
    21 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 18 19 18 1454
    22 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 17 1120
    23 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 25 19 1080
    24 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 23 640
    25 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 24 560
    26 We Got Love - Alma Cogan 26 400
    27 If You Were The Only Boy In The World - Stevie Marsh 27 320
    28 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 28 240
    28 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 28 240
    28 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 28 240
    0
    RM did not publish a chart for this week. 0
    The BBC only compiled a Top 20 at this time but I have compiled a Top 30. 0
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Sat December 5, 2020, 11:20.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Ok .. so here comes Phase 2 of The Ultimate Averaged Chart 1960 - 1963, winners, losers, and inbetweeners

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  • MrTibbs
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    I will be posting here as I want to keep all The UAE in the one place so the first 2 charts from 1960 will be posted tomorrow. The chart is generally slower back in 1960 and using a Top 30 defo shows a better profile for records climbing and leaving the chart as opposed to a Top 20. It gives the chart a much better definition in expanded form.

    What makes it really interesting though is that because of the greater variance in chart positions between the papers on many occasions it is hard to predict at times on entering the data where the record will place after averaging so I love the moment when the computation provides the result showing where the records land like scattered seeds. No wonder it has me (and you) hooked.

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  • brian05
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    And many thanks MrTibbs from me. It has been a very interesting thread to read. Really looking forward to the 1960-63 years.

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