Originally posted by Graham76man
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True, and both Marty Wilde and Georgie Fame also got the song into the breakers, the former at the same time as Glen. So sales splitting probably explains the failure of either version to chart properly. -
In a way it was:Originally posted by Metalweb View Post
.Five weeks on the Breakers list from 27 Jan 1968, peaking in 2nd placeLeave a comment:
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Something that should have been recorded in 1968: Joe Cocker giving his agonised anxt treatment to 'Yummy Yummy Yummy'!Leave a comment:
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It's particularly extraordinary that such a classic, much covered song as "By The Time I Get To Phoenix" was never a hit in this country...Leave a comment:
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Before I post the first 6 charts from 1969 taking us to the end of this phase of the project indulge me again with my usual list of criminally ignored records from 1968. If we didn't have a top thirty accommodating below par ballads and some just awful records (Sue Nicholls springs to mind) there would have been space on the chart for these gems that missed out.
Angel Pavement - Baby You've Got To Stay
Dusty Springfield - I Will Come To You
The Lemon Pipers - Rice Is Nice
Madeline Bell - I'm Gonna Make You Love Me
The Montanas - You've Got To Be Loved
The 5th Dimension - Stoned Soul Picnic
The Flowerpot Men - In A Moment Of Madness
The Candy Choir - No Grey Skies
Glen Campbell - By The Time I Get To Phoenix
Long John Baldry - When The Sun Comes Shining Through
Nirvana - Rainbow Chaser
The Rascals - People Got To Be Free
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Lots of companies and institutions deposit records and documents in national and local archive institutions, costing them nothing. Some things like magazines and books have at least 3 statutory sites which they are required to be send a copy. Hence why places have copies of music magazines. If you are still in contact with any places you worked for, then suggest to them to deposit old records in there local archive office. It will cost them nothing and if there is any sensitive data, they can place an embargo as to when the public will be allowed to see it.Originally posted by membranemusic View Post
Stuff can often be deposited from law firms after the collapse of say a record store. Indeed many law firms were fundamental in founding some of the archives and libraries. The big record companies also have their own archives. However it's not perfect and some record companies have thrown out master tapes of artists!
There's tons of material out there. You only have to watch something like the Antiques Roadshow to see some ex employee of some firm that has rescued materials that went to the skip and is now worth a fortune. It's just finding where it's been placed! And if you can see it!Leave a comment:
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It wasn't Brian's idea it was mine. Based on the fact that as far as the rest of the world is concerned and due to the people who did the first British Hit Singles Book it has become the "official chart" of the 60's despite the fact it was the least accurate and used the smallest of samples. Had the NME increased the chart to a top a top 50, it's unlikely that the BHSB people would have switched from the NME top 30 to the RR. At least not until 1969 when an actual sales based chart was done. Had Melody Maker also not chopped its chart down, it might have replaced the NME and the RR charts in the book. Or if they had found the 31 to 50 part of the charts for 1967, as some people have indeed located some later years of it, then again the larger sample of the Melody Maker might have become "official".Originally posted by membranemusic View Post
I did suggest to Brian that only the top ten of the chart (without RR) would do as the top ten is the part that really counts. Removing RR will remove it's slow nature and faults. And should give a better picture of the top selling records of the 60's.
In anycase Brian has already done the charts with RR, so we would have both as a comparison.Leave a comment:
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
This is a first for you guys because just like at the end of 1967 MM and the BBC did not compile a chart for this week so The UAC has been compiled from NME and RR who did compile charts.
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 28th 1968.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 28th 1968 NME MM RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 Lily The Pink - The Scaffold 1 1 8550 3 2 One Two Three O'Leary - Des O'Connor 2 4 8095 4 3 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 3 2 8065 2 4 Ain't Got No..I Got Life - Nina Simone 4 3 7780 6 5 I'm The Urban Spaceman - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 5 6 7325 8 6 Sabre Dance - Love Sculpture 6 5 7210 5 7 The Good The Bad And The Ugly - Hugo Montenegro 7 8 6755 14 8 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Marmalade 8 7 6640 7 9 May I Have The Next Dream With You - Malcolm Roberts 9 11 6100 11 10 Race With The Devil - The Gun 10 10 5985 16 11 Albatross - Fleetwood Mac 12 9 5670 9 12 I'm A Tiger - Lulu 11 13 5530 13 13 A Minute Of Your Time - Tom Jones 13 14 5045 10 14 Breaking Down The Walls Of Heartache - The Bandwagon 15 12 4815 19 15 Private Number - William Bell and Judy Clay 14 16 4675 18 16 Love Child - Diana Ross and The Supremes 16 21 3850 20 17 Son Of A Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield 18 20 3535 15 18 Eloise - Barry Ryan 19 18 3505 17 19 Harper Valley P.T.A. - Jeannie C. Riley 20 17 3390 12 20 This Old Heart Of Mine - The Isley Brothers 21 19 3020 28 21 OB-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Bedrocks 17 30 2885 21 22 Elenore - The Turtles 27 15 2160 29 23 I Shall Be Released - The Tremeloes 22 29 1970 22 24 If I Knew Then What I Know Now - Val Doonican 26 22 1765 23 25 Quick Joey Small - The Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus 25 25 1710 30 26 Something's Happening - Herman's Hermits 24 28 1655 25 27 Stop Her On Sight (SOS) - Edwin Starr 23 1600 24 28 Those Were The Days - Mary Hopkin 28 24 1195 RE 29 Atlantis - Donovan 29 23 1080 26 30 Don't Forget To Catch Me - Cliff Richard 30 26 625 Neither MM or The BBC compiled a chart for 28th December. So The Ultimate Averaged Chart was compiled from NME and RR. For Once In My Life - Stevie Wonder 27 340 Leave a comment:
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The reason I did not include all the other 'rogue' charts membrane is because they were all transient and as such would detract from year on year consistency. I agree about RR though, I included it because it was a recognised chart from 1960 although yes it was also the weakest and least credible and as such did not really bring much to the averaging process.Originally posted by membranemusic View PostLeave a comment:
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Graham: as one who was employed by the music industry for many decades, I am afraid I can refute your suggestion that all sales figures are kept in record company archives indefinitely. Companies are obliged to keep several years of data for accounting, auditing and tax reasons, but as soon as those 6 years are up, out they go to the recycling centre. Reason: it costs money to store stuff which has no commercial value in warehouses. The same would apply to digital back-ups of similar vintage. Sorry!
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Mr Tibbs: re your suggestion of a version of the chart without RR, I am personally not keen; not because I am particularly fond of RR, but because one cannot deny its existence throughout the 60s. Far more interesting to include the ‘rogue’ charts like Pop Weekly, Music Now, Cashbox etc, although that water has already passed under the bridge, and I am not suggesting you go back now!
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The Beatles should have issued this track in the UK, as it was released in a lot of European countries. Missed out a number one.14 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The MarmaladeLeave a comment:
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Brian when you start posting the new early 60's UAC I would start it on a new thread. It will be easier for people to follow them rather than sticking them end of the 1969 chart. Same too for the one without retailer!
You can post the link(s) to the next UAC on the end of this thread.Leave a comment:
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
There are 11 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 21st 1968.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 21st 1968 NME MM RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 Lily The Pink - The Scaffold 1 1 1 1 16050 4 2 Ain't Got No..I Got Life - Nina Simone 2 4 2 2 15115 3 3 One Two Three O'Leary - Des O'Connor 3 2 3 4 15095 5 4 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 4 3 5 3 14480 2 5 The Good The Bad And The Ugly - Hugo Montenegro 5 5 4 6 14075 11 6 I'm The Urban Spaceman - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 6 6 7 5 13210 9 7 May I Have The Next Dream With You - Malcolm Roberts 8 7 6 15 12410 13 8 Sabre Dance - Love Sculpture 7 8 8 7 12390 10 9 I'm A Tiger - Lulu 9= 9 9 12 11515 8 10 Breaking Down The Walls Of Heartache - The Bandwagon 11 10 10 11 11150 14 11 Race With The Devil - The Gun 9= 10 12 8 10905 6 12 This Old Heart Of Mine - The Isley Brothers 12= 16 11 10 9785 16 13 A Minute Of Your Time - Tom Jones 14 12 13 16 9575 21 14 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Marmalade 12= 13 15 9 9470 7 15 Eloise - Barry Ryan 15 14 14 18 8755 24 16 Albatross - Fleetwood Mac 16 15 19 13 7730 15 17 Harper Valley P.T.A. - Jeannie C. Riley 17 17 17 17 7490 17 18 Love Child - Diana Ross and The Supremes 18= 19 16 19 7170 18 19 Private Number - William Bell and Judy Clay 18= 18 22 14 6295 23 20 Son Of A Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield 20 20 19 20 6135 12 21 Elenore - The Turtles 21 21 18 21 6100 19 22 If I Knew Then What I Know Now - Val Doonican 22 22 21 24 4895 26 23 Quick Joey Small - The Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus 23 23 24 22 4115 22 24 Those Were The Days - Mary Hopkin 24 27 23 23 3480 NEW 25 Stop Her On Sight (SOS) - Edwin Starr 25 24 28 25 2660 25 26 Don't Forget To Catch Me - Cliff Richard 26 28 26 28 2105 20 27 All Along The Watchtower - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 28= 24 1750 NEW 28 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Bedrocks 28= 26 29 1500 NEW 29 I Shall Be Released - The Tremeloes 27 25 29 1370 NEW 30 Something's Happening - Herman's Hermits 30 27 1200 Atlantis - Donovan 28= 29 26 825 I'm In A Different World - The Four Tops 27 340 On Mother Kelly's Doorstep - Danny La Rue 30 250 Toy - The Casuals 30 200 With A Little Help From My Friends - Joe Cocker 30 85 Leave a comment:
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Yeah I noticed that too on entering the figures brain. Another BBC miscalculation there.Leave a comment:
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Again the BBC chart appears to make no sense in the lower reaches. Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell (- 29 28) being equal at 30 with Leapy Lee (30 30 -)!!!, whereas The Marbles (- 27 30) which would really be equal on points to Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell not showing?Last edited by braindeadpj; Tue December 1, 2020, 00:01.Leave a comment:
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
I agree with Robbie's comment earlier in that Diana Ross and The Supremes Love Child was their strongest single in well over a year. All singles since Reflections in the summer of 1967 had been really weak by their standards.
It was a real pity that Apple didn't release The Beatles original Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da as a single as it was far and away the best version. I think The Bedrock's version, still to chart, was even superior to Marmalade's.
In too comes the sublime preacher Man from Dusty Springfield. Sheer Class ! Little did we know that was gonna be her last Top 30 single until the eighties come back, and magic also materialised this week in the form of Fleetwood Mac's Albatross. Bellissimo !
There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 14th 1968.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 14th 1968 NME MM RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 2 1 Lily The Pink - The Scaffold 1 1 1 1 16050 1 2 The Good The Bad And The Ugly - Hugo Montenegro 2 2 2 2 15515 6 3 One Two Three O'Leary - Des O'Connor 3 3 3 4 14895 7 4 Ain't Got No..I Got Life - Nina Simone 4 5 4 3 14330 11 5 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 5 4 5 5 14110 4 6 This Old Heart Of Mine - The Isley Brothers 6 8 5 7 13140 3 7 Eloise - Barry Ryan 7 10 7 8 12155 5 8 Breaking Down The Walls Of Heartache - The Bandwagon 8= 6 10 10 12035 10 9 May I Have The Next Dream With You - Malcolm Roberts 8= 9 8 9 12020 9 10 I'm A Tiger - Lulu 10= 7 9 12 11915 15 11 I'm The Urban Spaceman - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 10= 11 11 6 11125 8 12 Elenore - The Turtles 12 12 12 14 9995 23 13 Sabre Dance - Love Sculpture 13 13 16 11 9050 16 14 Race With The Devil - The Gun 14 15 14 13 8980 13 15 Harper Valley P.T.A. - Jeannie C. Riley 15 16 13 15 8860 19 16 A Minute Of Your Time - Tom Jones 16 14 17 16 8175 21 17 Love Child - Diana Ross and The Supremes 17 18 15 17 7790 22 18 Private Number - William Bell and Judy Clay 18 17 20 19 6570 14 19 If I Knew Then What I Know Now - Val Doonican 19 19 18 21 6500 12 20 All Along The Watchtower - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 20 20 19 23 5880 NEW 21 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Marmalade 22 22 22 22 4815 17 22 Those Were The Days - Mary Hopkin 21 26 21 18 4605 NEW 23 Son Of A Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield 23 21 25 24 4095 NEW 24 Albatross - Fleetwood Mac 24 28 23 20 3535 NEW 25 Don't Forget To Catch Me - Cliff Richard 26 27 24 29 2720 27 26 Quick Joey Small - The Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus 25 23 28 27 2690 18 27 With A Little Help From My Friends - Joe Cocker 27= 26 25 1760 30 28 Les Bicyclettes De Belsize - Engelbert Humperdinck 27= 25 26 1625 29 29 Atlantis - Donovan 29 24 1400 20 30 Only One Woman - The Marbles 27 30 1085 The Beatles (LP) - The Beatles 29 400 You're All I Need To Get By - Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell 30= 29 28 755 Little Arrows - Leapy Lee 30= 30 30 450 Leave a comment:
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One of my memories of 1963 is going into a friend's house and seeing Beatles records which the family were buying in anticipation of the day that they could afford something to play them on!
By the way, it could be claimed (at a stretch!) that the first time a Lennon/McCartney composition got into the charts was in March 1962 when the album ‘Adam Faith’ skirted the LP Top 20, because the middle eight of the track “I’ve Just Fallen For Someone” was written by John Lennon (but uncredited).
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So, broadly we are all singing from the same hymn sheet here. Interesting point Splodge about the UAC being used instead of Guinness lol, they are certainly more 'official' than the 'official'.
Late 1963 was also the year when I really got into music at the age of 10 and I have to thank The Beatles for that. I had heard everything that had gone before either on Luxembourg or records my parents bought but suddenly I heard She Loves You and I was catapulted into a world of music that enveloped me and never looked back.
I got She Loves You and the Twist And Shout EP for Christmas that year and a few days later went and got myself I Want To Hold Your Hand. Magical Stuff !Leave a comment:
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You are absolutely right and I should have included them in my list as described.Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
However, A Hard Days Night was 3 on RR so the BBC didn't need to override their normal calculations. With Help they did; spookily it was a case of 1115 versus 2221 which I gave in the example above as the tipping point.
These two illustrate perfectly what I was trying to say - that the problem did not arise simply because RR was odd-one-out, but only when it was adrift by a large margin.Last edited by Splodj; Mon November 30, 2020, 14:11.Leave a comment:
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