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  • brian05
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    There is a special TOTP supplement in Music Week to celebrate it's 25th anniversary - click here. Scroll down to page 25.
    Some great photographs.

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  • MrTibbs
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    It would have been wrong though on the 31st August to place the Bee Gees at #1 on the upcoming 31st August chart given that it wasn't #1 on any individual chart, whereas The Beach Boys and Herb Alpert were.

    Sales wise it is generally thought that Herb Alpert did just pip the opposition on this week. Dave Taylor agreed backed by supplementary information from E.M.I. who compiled their own chart by averaging similar to the BBC but additionally sampled a further 10% of shops. This indicated Herb Alpert on top.
    Simon v Sunday, I too prefer Sunday and was disappointed to see Simon nudge ahead, but in any chart we have to accept that sometimes sales or points are close and sometimes our favourites lose out in the objective process.

    The BBC process for breaking ties was haphazard at best, one minute one system was used, and the next minute another, plus, you objectively can't use a chart position or direction of travel from another week to influence the current week as the two don't correlate.
    Only actual sales would determine which was the sales leader and sadly as we have so often lamented those don't exist week by week from back then.
    That is why I believe the best, and I say just best, not the precise, way to break a tie for the time retrospectively is simply to use the chart which used the biggest sample. For this period the MM.

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  • Splodj
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    Lazy Sunday would have been number 2, because it had risen from 3 the previous week. Using the same 'trend' method the Bee Gees would have been number one in the week of the infamous 3-way tie.

    But as you have shown, Billboard reported that Robin Scott (controller of Radios 1 and 2) before then had already met with BMRB and been presented with their plans for a sales based chart. The problem he would have had was getting internal BBC approval for the significant increase in cost. I cannot help thinking that ties were at that time allowed more than before because they wanted to show a new chart was needed.

    Incidentally although the BBC's Robin Scott was not the Pop Muzic one, he did co-write a number one in 1955 - Softly Softly by Ruby Murray.

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  • Robbie
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    What an era for music, every week a classic song is entering the charts. This week it's 'Do You Know The Way To San Jose' by Dionne Warwick. It's one of those songs I can never get out of my head for days after hearing it.

    Two songs at number 2 on the POTP chart and this is down to there being a tie on the Melody Maker chart. Sadly the Ultimate Averaged Chart gives the nod to 'Simon Says' ahead of the excellent 'Lazy Sunday'. Had POTP operated a tie-break system for this week which record would have been at number 2?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are just 5 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    As Brain mentioned in comes Sleepy Joe, and another 1968 gem from Julie Driscoll etc which later became the theme for Absolutely Fabulous. Rock on Patsy and Edina.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 11th 1968.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 11th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 1 1 1 1 16050
    2 2 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 2= 2 2 3 15430
    4 3 Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 2= 3 2 2 15315
    8 4 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 4 4 4 4 14445
    19 5 Young Girl - The Union Gap 5 5 5 7 13740
    18 6 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 6 6 6 9 13120
    12 7 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 7 8 8 5 12560
    6 8 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 8 9 7 6 12525
    3 9 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 9 7 9 8 12255
    5 10 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 10 10 10 11 11150
    15 11 White Horses - Jacky 11 11 11 12 10615
    7 12 Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies 12 13 13 10 9885
    9 13 Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls 13 15 12 13 9480
    10 14 I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus 14 14 14 14 9095
    13 15 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 15 12 16 16 8825
    14 16 Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops 16 16 15 17 8190
    11 17 Delilah - Tom Jones 17 17 18 15 7410
    27 18 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 18 18 17 18 7205
    17 19 Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney 19 19 19 20 6335
    21 20 Hello How Are You - The Easybeats 20 21 21 21 5350
    22 21 Little Green Apples - Roger Miller 21 26 20 19 4770
    30 22 Joanna - Scott Walker 22 20 24 23 4630
    NEW 23 Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits 23 23 27 22 3365
    26 24 Forever Came Today - Diana Ross and The Supremes 25 27 22 28 3305
    NEW 25 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 24 25 26 26 2875
    16 26 Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons 26 23 24 2595
    20 27 Valleri - The Monkees 27 25 27 1840
    NEW 28 Helule Helule - The Tremeloes 28 22 1800
    NEW 29 Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 30 24 1400
    23 30 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 29 28 25 1260
    Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets 30 29 29 870
    Wonderboy - The Kinks 28 600
    When We Were Young - Solomon King 29 400
    If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 30 250
    Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 30 85

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  • BrainDamageII
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits
    Talk about being ahead of your time. A song about him 52 years before he becomes president

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    1968 just keeps getting better. All 3 new entries this week are belters. Scott Walker does Rod McKuen's Joanna, gorgeous ballad, Love Affair's Rainbow Valley, I remember spinning around on the waltzers at the fair with that one blaring out, and Union Gap's Young Girl, the sound of summer 1968.

    There are 9 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 4th 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 4th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 1 1 1 1 16050
    4 2 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 2 2 2 2 15515
    3 3 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 4 4 3 4 14695
    8 4 Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 3 3 5 3 14480
    2 5 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 5 5 4 6 14075
    5 6 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 6 6 6 5 13460
    6 7 Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies 7 8 7 8 12555
    23 8 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 8 7 10 7 12090
    9 9 Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls 10 10 9 11 11400
    10 10 I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus 9 13 8 9 11220
    7 11 Delilah - Tom Jones 11 12 11 10 10585
    21 12 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 12 11 13 12 10115
    11 13 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 13 9 15 13 9930
    13 14 Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops 14 14 12 15 9510
    18 15 White Horses - Jacky 15 15 14 14 8895
    15 16 Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons 16 18 17 17 7290
    20 17 Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney 18 19 16 19 7170
    28 18 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 19 16 19 20 6935
    NEW 19 Young Girl - The Union Gap 17 17 20 16 6825
    17 20 Valleri - The Monkees 20 22 18 18 6155
    25 21 Hello How Are You - The Easybeats 21 20 21 23 5380
    22 22 Little Green Apples - Roger Miller 22 21 23 22 4765
    12 23 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 23 24 22 21 4500
    14 24 Lady Madonna - The Beatles 24 23 25 26 3525
    16 25 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 25 26 24 27 3090
    27 26 Forever Came Today - Diana Ross and The Supremes 27 25 26 28 2705
    NEW 27 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 26 27 27 24 2395
    19 28 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 28 28 28 25 1860
    24 29 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 29 29 29 670
    NEW 30 Joanna - Scott Walker 30 29 400
    Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 30 30 335
    Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits 30 200

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  • Metalweb
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    "White Horses" is indeed instantly familiar to anyone of an age to be watching children's television in the late 60s, though I've no memory at all of the programme itself.

    I'm sure John Otway, no less, once called "Honey" (which he covered) the saddest song ever written. I like it too, but then I've always been a "death disc" fan for some reason! We tend to associate them mostly with the early 60s but their chart heyday was the mid 70s. From memory I'm sure there was one week in early '74 when the whole Top 3 (Terry Jacks, Paper Lace, Hot Chocolate) were death discs. The re-release of "Honey" was riding this wave, as was SAHB's cover of "Delilah" around the same time.

    Easybeat's "Hello How Are You" may have only been a minor hit but I bet Jeff Lynne was a fan - it's an obvious influence on ELO's "Telephone Line"!

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    You can buy this edition on eBay for 16. Here is a scan of the article.
    No mention of advance orders.
    Thanks - interesting to read the article and see that there is no mention of NME (and Disc) putting the record straight in at number one.

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  • Robbie
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    Although I was still very young (pre-school age) at this point I do know the vast majority of records in the above chart. However I've never heard of John Rowles or his top 3 hit 'If I Only Had Time'.

    The vocal styling of Steve Marriott on 'Lazy Sunday' seems to have been the blueprint for Damon Albarn's (of Blur) vocal style. Good song.

    I remember 'Honey' from its second time of being a hit, in 1975. It's a bit maudlin and sickly sweet but I can see the appeal of the song. I remember (in 1975) Tony Blackburn on Radio 1 seemed to have a soft spot for the song.

    'White Horses' by Jacky brings back lovely childhood memories to me. I used to watch "The White Horses" when it was repeated on BBC1 during what must have been every summer holidays during the 1970s. Only 13 episodes were ever made and were dubbed from German into English. The BBC wiped all the dubbed episodes in the late 1970s but 12 still survive as audio only and part of one episode exists as an off-air recording and is (or was) on YouTube. But the theme tune - wow, it's excellent. It's so evocative of my childhood. In the early days of YouTube I made a comment on an upload of the song that Jackie Lee herself had made, saying how it lovely the song was. I got a reply from Miss Lee herself thanking me for my comments.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    The divine Honey from Bobby Goldsboro enters mmmmmm !

    There are 15 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 27th 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 27th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 1 1 1 1 16050
    2 2 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 2 2 3 2 15265
    3 3 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 4 4 2 4 14945
    5 4 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 3 3 4 3 14730
    7 5 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 5 6 5 6 13625
    8 6 Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies 6 5 6 7 13490
    4 7 Delilah - Tom Jones 7 7 7 5 13010
    21 8 Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 8 8 9 10 11885
    14 9 Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls 10 10 8 12 11565
    16 10 I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus 9 11 10 8 11205
    13 11 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 11 9 13 11 10600
    9 12 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 12 13 11 18 9705
    18 13 Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops 13 15 12 15 9310
    6 14 Lady Madonna - The Beatles 16 12 17 9 9170
    15 15 Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons 14 14 15 13 8930
    10 16 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 15 17 14 14 8495
    12 17 Valleri - The Monkees 17 16 16 16 8025
    23 18 White Horses - Jacky 18 22 18 19 6070
    11 19 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 19 23 19 17 5790
    20 20 Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney 21 20 20 23 5630
    25 21 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 20 18 22 22 5615
    26 22 Little Green Apples - Roger Miller 22 21 21 25 5010
    NEW 23 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 25 19 26 26 4075
    17 24 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 23 24 24 21 4000
    27 25 Hello How Are You - The Easybeats 24 28 23 20 3535
    19 26 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 26 27 25 24 2895
    29 27 Forever Came Today - Diana Ross and The Supremes 27 26 27 28 2255
    NEW 28 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 28 25 30 1450
    30 29 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets 28 750
    28 30 Jumbo / The Singer Sang His Song - The Bee Gees 29 29 29 670
    Rosie - Don Partridge 29 30 485
    The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 30 27 340
    Peggy Sue - Buddy Holly 30 200

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 13 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 20th 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 20th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 1 1 1 2 15965
    1 2 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 2 2 2 1 15600
    5 3 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 3 3 3 3 14980
    3 4 Delilah - Tom Jones 4 4 4 4 14445
    8 5 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 5 5 5 5 13910
    4 6 Lady Madonna - The Beatles 6 6 6 6 13375
    11 7 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 8 8 7 10 12385
    14 8 Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies 7 7 9 7 12340
    6 9 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 9 9 8 8 12105
    7 10 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 10 10 10 9 11320
    9 11 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 11 12 12 11 10250
    13 12 Valleri - The Monkees 12 13 11 12 10215
    12 13 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 13 11 16 14 9195
    18 14 Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls 15 14 13 18 9005
    16 15 Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons 14 15 14 15 8810
    21 16 I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus 16 16 17 13 8030
    10 17 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 17 18 15 16 7875
    20 18 Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops 18 19 18 17 6840
    17 19 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 19 21 19 19 6020
    26 20 Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney 20 20 20 25 5460
    NEW 21 Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 24 17 24 4550
    15 22 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 21 23 23 21 4450
    NEW 23 White Horses - Jacky 22 24 22 22 4415
    19 24 Rosie - Don Partridge 23 26 25 20 3435
    NEW 25 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 26 22 26 27 3390
    25 26 Little Green Apples - Roger Miller 25 30 21 23 3380
    NEW 27 Hello How Are You - The Easybeats 27 25 28 26 2375
    28 28 Jumbo / The Singer Sang His Song - The Bee Gees 29 30 27 29 1370
    29 29 Forever Came Today - Diana Ross and The Supremes 30 27 29 1300
    30 30 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets 28 29 24 995
    Pretty Brown Eyes - Jim Reeves 28 600
    Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 30 28 505
    She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 30 85

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  • brian05
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    The first I bought by myself after Christmas in 1963 were The Dave Clark Five, Dusty Springfield and The Beatles I Want To Hold Your Hand with money I got. I had already got She Loves You, and The Twist And Shout EP for Christmas.
    The first record I bought was "You'll never walk alone" by Gerry and the Pacemakers, only because "She loves you" had sold out and no more copies were available until 2 weeks later.

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  • brian05
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    I would be interested to know where the suggestion comes from that NME included advance orders, but it seems more than likely that there were at least two instances where they did.

    Then there was the 11-Dec-65 Melody Maker which set out in detail a justification of why the Beatles ‘Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out’ entered its chart only at number 3. I have not seen the article so do not know if it made an explicit claim about the NME, but it seems that in both cases there is at least an implication that they included advance orders.
    You can buy this edition on eBay for 16. Here is a scan of the article.
    No mention of advance orders.



    There is an interesting UKMix thread here.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Splodj there is something very wrong with the 'last' RR chart of February 8th 1969. It is way out of sync with the others, with even Scaffold dropping out of the Top 30 from the Top Ten and yes it does not filter in well with the first week of BMRB.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah kjell, I agree certainly throughout 1969 the BMRB chart was suspect. It was volatile, fluctuated greatly, had ties from actual record sales which should have been practically impossible. Alan Smith who had contacts at the BMRB advised him that in 1969 in particular they were only getting around 15% of returns that were actually useable for compilation purposes, so I think when you take that into consideration when looking at the 1969 chart it becomes evident that had to be the case.

    Also, when I do 1960 to 1963, I then intend going back and doing 1956, when MM come on stream until 1959 as yes it is important to complete 1956 to February 1969 the 'averaged chart' era.
    THEN for fun I'm going back to 1969 to finish that year and let you see how an averaged chart might have looked had compilation continued considering BMRB, NME, MM.
    Some might say it's mixing oil with water as the BMRB chart was sales versus points for the other two, but it is just for fun and it will be interesting just to see how an averaged chart would have smoothed out its inconsistencies and fluctuations.

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  • Splodj
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    The Official Chart seems to have difficulty with the changeover week. Martha Reeves shown as a new entry at 5, when it was actually 4 the previous week.
    https://www.officialcharts.com/chart...19690212/7501/

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  • kjell
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    The BMRB seemed to have problems the first few months so maybe a few months prolongation would clarify something. However, it’s more important to get the early sixties done. I share your view of 30 positions. I also see that the average chart 56 - 59 is likely to make a better understanding of the period that Colin Driscoll did in an unstructured way. Do keep up the good work Brian, your produktivitet is amazing.

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  • MrTibbs
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    I have reached a milestone today. I have now finished compiling The Ultimate Averaged Chart up to and including February 8th 1969, and as you know from the 15th February the BMRB chart will take over.

    So, I can now commence work on the 1960 to 1963 charts which should get really interesting. RM ceased to be included in the BBC chart from 21st May 1960 due to the chart now having a later compilation date, and, the RR chart which had been compiled from 10th March 1960 had never been included in the BBC chart until March 1962.

    So, The Ultimate Averaged Chart will now include those charts in the compilation process delivering a first for an averaged chart covering this period.

    Also, at that time NME had a Top 30, and RR had a Top 50, but RM (until its demise in March 1962) and MM and Disc (until September 1962) only compiled a Top 20. However I wish to maintain consistency of chart length throughout this project so I will be continuing to compile a Top 30 for The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    You will see this period of charts as soon as I have finished posting the remainder of 1968 until February 1969 (around 2 a day).
    I hope you will be just as interested in this previous period of chart history too.

    Brian

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  • MrTibbs
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    I remember That Noise from back then too on 'Children's Choice' on a Saturday morning.
    100% agree on Please Please Me, an injustice of monumental proportions.

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  • Splodj
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    First record was 'That Noise' by Anthony Newley.

    I admit that 'Love Me Do' passed me by, but got all the Beatles from 'Please Please Me' onwards. That it is not recognised as their first number one is an affront I take personally!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Four joint #11's in the BBC chart this week. Even by now it was getting silly.

    There are 13 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 13th 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 13th 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    4 1 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 1 1 2 1 15800
    3 2 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 2 2 1 3 15680
    2 3 Delilah - Tom Jones 3 3 3 2 15065
    1 4 Lady Madonna - The Beatles 4 4 5 4 14195
    10 5 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 5 6 4 5 13960
    5 6 (Sittin' On) - The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 6 5 6 6 13575
    7 7 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 7 7 7 8 12755
    16 8 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 8 8 8 7 12390
    8 9 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 9 9 9 9 11770
    6 10 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 10 10 11 11 10900
    18 11 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 11= 12 10 17 10240
    17 12 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 11= 11 12 16 10025
    15 13 Valleri - The Monkees 11= 14 13 12 9515
    23 14 Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies 11= 13 16 10 9135
    9 15 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy Beaky, Mick and Tich 16 15 14 18 8555
    21 16 Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons 15 18 15 13 8130
    14 17 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 17 16 17 19 7520
    25 18 Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls 20 17 19 22 6565
    11 19 Rosie - Don Partridge 18 19 20 15 6510
    26 20 Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops 21 21 18 23 5930
    28 21 I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus 19 20 22 14 5895
    12 22 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 22 23 21 21 4950
    13 23 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 23 22 24 24 4145
    19 24 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 24 27 25 27 2640
    30 25 Little Green Apples - Roger Miller 26= 23 28 2255
    29 26 Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney 26= 24 28 30 2235
    20 27 Fire Brigade - The Move 29 26 26 1675
    NEW 28 Jumbo / The Singer Sang His Song - The Bee Gees 28 27 25 1510
    NEW 29 Forever Came Today - Diana Ross and The Supremes 30 25 1200
    NEW 30 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets 25 30 20 1135
    I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 26 1000
    Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 28 600
    White Horses - Jacky 29 500
    Darlin' - The Beach Boys 30 29 420
    Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 29 400

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  • MrTibbs
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    What were those first records Splodj ? The first I bought by myself after Christmas in 1963 were The Dave Clark Five, Dusty Springfield and The Beatles I Want To Hold Your Hand with money I got. I had already got She Loves You, and The Twist And Shout EP for Christmas.

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    The catalyst for Monday releases is most likely 'Going Underground' by The Jam in March 1980.
    Yes, it appears the first Abba single released on Monday was 'The Winner Takes It All' in July.

    I bought my first records in 1962, or at least grown-ups bought them for me! I heard them on Playtime on the Light Programme at 4.30-5 after school each day, when they played ‘records for the young’.

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  • Robbie
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    ^
    I can only speak about the very late 70s and very early 80s here as that was when I did the bulk of my singles buying, but I used to go to my favourite record shop (Callers on Northumberland Street in Newcastle) on a Saturday morning and records were often being sold out of the boxes in which they had arrived. The guy that ran the record department would be trying to stock the shelves while the shop was open and if you asked for a single that had been released that weekend and if he hadn't yet had a chance to work his way through the package it was in he would just open the packaging and hand you the single. I was always impressed by how he knew which box to open as often there were several on the floor. Needless to say, of course, but the shop wasn't a chart return shop, at least not one that used diaries to record sales.

    On the other hand, HMV, further along Northumberland Street, rarely sold new singles on a Saturday. Unless the single was by a big act it would usually be Monday before the singles were out on the shelving display.

    I mentioned 'Going Underground' by The Jam in a previous post: I can remember going into Callers on a Saturday (I can date this to Saturday 8 March 1980) and asking for the single. The guy apologised, said he had it in stock, but said he had been instructed (by whom? I don't know, probably a rep from the label), to not sell the single until the Monday. I went in the following Saturday to buy the single and asked how it was selling. The answer? It was selling massively, helped by the fact that all initial copies were a double pack single (which I bought) and the guy said he thought it was going to go straight in at number 1. And he was right.

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