The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 13 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

3 stonking new entries this week, from Otis, Louis, and Donovan. Magnifique !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 24th 1968

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 24th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann					1	1	1	1	16050
20	2	Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim					2	2	4	2	15015
4	3	She Wears My Ring - Solomon King					3	3	3	3	14980
3	4	Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner					4	4	2	5	14860
2	5	Everlasting Love - The Love Affair					5	5	5	4	13995
6	6	Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes					9	6	7	11	12700
12	7	Fire Brigade - The Move					7	9	6	8	12605
10	8	Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo					6	7	8	7	12590
5	9	Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck					8	8	10	6	11975
8	10	Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood					10	10	9	10	11485
7	11	Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band					11	11	11	9	10870
11	12	Darlin' - The Beach Boys					13	13	12	14	9795
13	13	Words - The Bee Gees					12	14	13	12	9515
NEW	14	The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					14	12	16	13	9080
14	15	Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set					15	15	14	15	8810
9	16	I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits					16	15	15	16	8475
18	17	Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations					17	18	17	18	7205
23	18	Rosie - Don Partridge					18	17	18	19	7070
26	19	Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers					19	20	19	17	6390
22	20	Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris					20	19	24	23	4830
16	21	Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny					21	24	22	20	4585
25	22	Today - Sandie Shaw					23	21	23	27	4340
17	23	Daydream Believer - The Monkees					22	26	21	22	4265
15	24	The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame					24	30	20	21	3800
NEW	25	What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong					25	25	27		2200
NEW	26	Jennifer Juniper - Donovan					26	22			1800
NEW	27	(Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding					27	23			1600
24	28	The Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles							25		1500
30	29	The Best Part Of Breaking Up - The Symbols							26	29	1420
28	30	Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues					29	26		28	1255
		I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones					30		28	26	1175
		Bend Me Shape Me - The American Breed					28		30	24	845
		So Much Love - Tony Blackburn						28			600
		Dear Delilah - Grapefruit								25	510
		Tin Soldier - The Small Faces							29		500
		Guitar Man - Elvis Presley						29			400
		Honey Chile - Martha and The Vandellas								30	85

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 17th 1968

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 17th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
2	1	The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann					1	1	1	1	16050
1	2	Everlasting Love - The Love Affair					2	2	2	2	15515
6	3	Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner					3	3	3	3	14980
4	4	She Wears My Ring - Solomon King					4	4	4	5	14360
3	5	Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck					5	5	6	4	13745
7	6	Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes					6	6	5	7	13540
5	7	Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band					7	7	7	6	12925
10	8	Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood					8	8	8	8	12305
9	9	I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits					9	9	9	11	11600
16	10	Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo					10	10	11	9	11070
12	11	Darlin' - The Beach Boys					11	11	10	12	10865
22	12	Fire Brigade - The Move					12	11	13	10	10285
17	13	Words - The Bee Gees					13	13	12	13	9880
20	14	Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set					14	16	14	16	8525
8	15	The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame					15	15	17	14	8145
11	16	Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny					16	17	16	15	7910
13	17	Daydream Believer - The Monkees					17	19	15	17	7590
21	18	Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations					18	18	20	18	6455
14	19	Tin Soldier - The Small Faces					19	21	18	24	5845
NEW	20	Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim					22	14	22		5650
18	21	I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones					20	26	18	20	5185
23	22	Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris					21	19	25	21	4750
NEW	23	Rosie - Don Partridge					23	22	24	22	4315
19	24	The Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles					26		21	25	3010
NEW	25	Today - Sandie Shaw					27	23	27	29	2770
NEW	26	Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers					24	24	29	23	2580
15	27	Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops					28		23	26	2425
24	28	Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues					25		26	19	2270
27	29	Bend Me Shape Me - The American Breed					29	25	30	28	1705
28	30	The Best Part Of Breaking Up - The Symbols					30		28	27	1090
		What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong						26			1000
		So Much Love - Tony Blackburn						28			600
		The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich						29			400
		Dear Delilah - Grapefruit						29			400
		Honey Chile - Martha and The Vandellas								30	85

[MrTibbs]

BUT, it won't top the Ultimate Averaged chart

[MrTibbs]

Wow there's another surprise averaged #1 going to appear in 1968

[Graham76man]

However if you read George Martin's own biography, even he didn't know the true size of the Beatles sales. In fact the bosses at EMI were going to give him paltry Christmas bonus, which nearly resulting in him quitting. Then the "boss" offered a new deal on the bonus. When it came through, Martin was amazed how big it was. He thought they had made a mistake, saying that would mean sales at this sort of level. His boss said that's what they were. Martin concluded even with the bigger bonus, they were still robbing his eyes out!
Anybody who believes record company figures is as thick as Trump.
Even today many record company contracts still included a breakage reduction even for digital sales!
The numbers of records stolen from shops or given away free for the shops to sell for deals would probably amount to equal of the figure talked about in real sales.

Let's talk about distribution of records!
The Newspaper article from 1964 that featured on this thread said there were 8,000 shops in the UK. So to cover those shops with a reasonable number of copies. Say 100 per shop. The record company needed to send out 800,000 copies. Even 10 copies requires 80,000 sent out.
They reported to that 71 shops had supplied them with sales figures.
They calculated the number of sales for the number one (3,954). This means that each one of those 71 shops must have at least 55 copies sent to them, assuming that the record company shared out the records evenly amongst the 71. Of course that probably didn't happen in reality. But it does show how vast the quantities of singles needed to be shipped out each week.
The only accurate shipping figures that have been published are those done by that Colin chap in the 40's and early 50's.
But even back then the record companies appear to have stopped distribution of massive sellers (at least big on the sheet music charts) while the record was still peaking.
The reason the charts were important to record companies back in the 60's was it was the only way they could tell what was selling quickly. Orders from shops would have been slow coming back. Especially if the company had sent out 100,000 plus records!
Many of the shops were not telling the Record Companies what they were selling anyway. The BMRB still had that problem in the late 70's.
I think that many of the sales figures reported in the press were the record companies bragging to other record companies. You only have to look how much they were patting on the back each other when the Foundations went top in 1967. Full page adds in some of the press! Adds like that wasn't for the average Record Mirror, or NME reader. They were aimed simply at the other companies.

[brian05]

I assume you are aware of the post on this forum that goes into detail on Beatles singles and EP sales ...

Yes. But the figures are on the conservative side since their total is about 4 million less than the official OCC singles total of 20,799,632 given in February 2004.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are a massive18 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 10th 1968

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 10th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Everlasting Love - The Love Affair					1	1	1	1	16050
5	2	The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann					2	3	2	2	15315
2	3	Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck					3	2	3	4	15095
6	4	She Wears My Ring - Solomon King					6	4	4	9	14020
4	5	Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band					4	6	5	3	13880
8	6	Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner					5	5	6	5	13660
10	7	Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes					7	7	7	6	12925
3	8	The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame					8	10	8	7	11990
12	9	I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits					10	8	9	11	11800
16	10	Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood					9	9	10	8	11605
7	11	Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny					11	11	11	10	10785
17	12	Darlin' - The Beach Boys					12	12	12	15	9910
9	13	Daydream Believer - The Monkees					13	14	13	16	9175
11	14	Tin Soldier - The Small Faces					14	13	14	17	9040
13	15	Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops					17	15	15	20	8135
27	16	Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo					15	17	18	12	7665
NEW	17	Words - The Bee Gees					16	16	19	14	7445
18	18	I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones					19	21	16	19	6770
14	19	Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles					20	23	17	18	6205
28	20	Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set					18	22	20	13	6080
26	21	Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations					21	18	24	23	5030
NEW	22	Fire Brigade - The Move					22	20	25	22	4465
25	23	Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris					24	19	26	26	4075
23	24	Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues					23	25	23	21	4050
19	25	Paradise Lost - The Herd					25	27	22	24	3645
15	26	Hello Goodbye - The Beatles					26		21	30	2585
NEW	27	Bend Me Shape Me - The American Breed					28	24			1400
NEW	28	The Best Part Of Breaking Up - The Symbols					27	27		25	1310
21	29	Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound							27		1000
NEW	30	So Much Love - Tony Blackburn					29	26			1000
		World - The Bee Gees							28		750
		Today - Sandie Shaw						29	30		650
		Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold							29		500
		I Second That Emotion - Smokey Robinson and The Miracles					30			27	340
		The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck								28	255
		Dear Delilah - Grapefruit						30			200
		Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic								29	170

[Splodj]

Is this the article? DAME 15 July 1967.

Yes that is it. I saw it at the 1960smusicmagazines.com website, which unfortunately appears to have now started requiring you to go through password access and some dubious advertisment hurdles.

I assume you are aware of the post on this forum that goes into detail on Beatles singles and EP sales ...
https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...478#post808478

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 16 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 3rd 1968

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 3rd 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Everlasting Love - The Love Affair					1	1	1	1	16050
3	2	Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck					2	2	2	3	15430
2	3	The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame					3	4	3	2	14865
6	4	Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band					4	3	4	4	14645
20	5	The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann					5	5	5	7	13740
12	6	She Wears My Ring - Solomon King					6	6	6	8	13205
10	7	Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny					8	9	7	6	12525
21	8	Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner					7	7	9	5	12510
4	9	Daydream Believer - The Monkees					10	10	8	11	11650
16	10	Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes					9	8	12	9	11220
9	11	Tin Soldier - The Small Faces					11	12	10	10	10835
14	12	I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits					13	13	11	14	10045
5	13	Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops					12	11	13	13	10030
7	14	Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles					14	15	14	12	9065
8	15	Hello Goodbye - The Beatles					16	16	15	16	8275
24	16	Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood					15	14	18	15	8010
22	17	Darlin' - The Beach Boys					17	17	16	17	7740
11	18	I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones					18	18	17	20	7035
18	19	Paradise Lost - The Herd					19	19	20	19	6170
13	20	World - The Bee Gees					20	24	21	18	5005
17	21	Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound					21	30	19	24	3795
19	22	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican					22	29	23	21	3250
25	23	Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues					24	26	24	26	3175
15	24	Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold					23		22	22	3015
30	25	Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris					25	20	29		2700
NEW	26	Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations					29	21			2000
NEW	27	Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo					27	23	30	30	1935
NEW	28	Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set					30	22			1800
28	29	The Other Man's Grass - Petula Clark							25		1500
23	30	Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic					26		28	23	1430
	31	The Best Part Of Breaking Up - The Symbols					28	27		25	1310
	32	Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney							27	28	1255
	33	Careless Hands - Des O'Connor							26		1250
	34	Words - The Bee Gees						25			1200
	35	Bend Me Shape Me - The American Breed						28			600
	36	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck								27	340
	37	Honey Chile - Martha and The Vandellas						30			200
	38	In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes								29	170

[brian05]

There was another interview with Dick James in Disc and Music Echo when 'All You Need Is Love' was released, where he goes into the arrangements he made to get it pressed quickly and makes a fairly accurate estimate of its total sales.

Is this the article? DAME 15 July 1967.



You can find it here.

https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Dis...1967-07-15.pdf

Sales passed the 500,000 mark by 19th August 1967 and eventually 600,000.
(Although I have seen a figure of 760,000 for 1967 sales).

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Amen Corner wiped the floor with American Breed's version of Bend Me Shape Me. Superb !

There are 11 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 27th 1968

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 27th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
6	1	Everlasting Love - The Love Affair					1	1	1	2	15965
1	2	The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame					2	2	2	1	15600
7	3	Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck					3	3	3	3	14980
4	4	Daydream Believer - The Monkees					4	4	5	6	14025
2	5	Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops					6	5	4	7	13990
14	6	Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band					5	6	6	4	13545
3	7	Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles					7	8	7	5	12810
5	8	Hello Goodbye - The Beatles					8	7	7	8	12755
12	9	Tin Soldier - The Small Faces					9	10	10	9	11320
17	10	Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny					10	9	11	10	11185
8	11	I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones					11	12	9	16	10575
24	12	She Wears My Ring - Solomon King					12	13	15	13	9130
9	13	World - The Bee Gees					13	16	13	12	9115
NEW	14	I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits					14	14	17	17	8090
10	15	Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold					16	17	14	19	8070
NEW	16	Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes					15	14	21	14	7345
11	17	Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound					19	23	12	20	7285
19	18	Paradise Lost - The Herd					18	19	18	15	7010
13	19	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican					20	21	16	18	6855
30	20	The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann					21	11	22	26	6675
NEW	21	Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner					17	17	23	11	6500
26	22	Darlin' - The Beach Boys					22	22	20	25	5060
16	23	Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic					23	26	19	23	4680
28	24	Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood					24	20	29	21	3550
25	25	Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues					25	24	25	24	3495
18	26	In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes					27	25	24	29	3120
15	27	Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney					26	27	28	22	2315
21	28	The Other Man's Grass - Petula Clark					28	28	26	27	2190
20	29	Careless Hands - Des O'Connor					29		27	28	1255
NEW	30	Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris					30	29			400
		All My Love - Cliff Richard							30	30	335
		The Best Part Of Breaking Up - The Symbols						30			200

[MrTibbs]

lmao @ Dumpertruck

[Splodj]

There was another interview with Dick James in Disc and Music Echo when 'All You Need Is Love' was released, where he goes into the arrangements he made to get it pressed quickly and makes a fairly accurate estimate of its total sales.

On the subject of sales figures for 1967 I share the scepticism about accuracy, but tend to believe the relative sales declared by individual record companies. So for example when EMI say that 'All You Need Is Love' sold more than 'Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever' I see no reason to think they are lying.

Incidentally DandME did a points chart for 1967 where the 3 Dumpertruck singles also formed the top 3, albeit with 'The Last Waltz' on top.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 12 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 20th 1968

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 20th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
5	1	The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame					1	1	1	2	15965
4	2	Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops					2	2	3	5	15010
2	3	Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles					4	6	2	4	14545
3	4	Daydream Believer - The Monkees					5	3	4	6	14475
1	5	Hello Goodbye - The Beatles					3	4	5	1	14450
18	6	Everlasting Love - The Love Affair					6	5	6	3	13830
22	7	Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck					7	7	7	8	12755
7	8	I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones					8	8	8	7	12390
8	9	World - The Bee Gees					9	9	9	11	11600
6	10	Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold					10	10	10	10	11235
9	11	Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound					11	11	12	12	10365
15	12	Tin Soldier - The Small Faces					13	12	11	14	10245
11	13	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican					12	14	13	9	9770
24	14	Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band					14	13	14	13	9380
10	15	Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney					15	17	16	15	7910
13	16	Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic					16	18	15	16	7875
26	17	Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny					18	15	18	22	7215
14	18	In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes					19	19	17	19	6920
20	19	Paradise Lost - The Herd					17	16	21	20	6435
12	20	Careless Hands - Des O'Connor					20	20	19	17	6390
19	21	The Other Man's Grass - Petula Clark					21	24	20	21	5000
16	22	Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry					22	23	23	23	4280
17	23	All My Love - Cliff Richard					24	29	22	25	3160
30	24	She Wears My Ring - Solomon King					23	26	27	18	3105
NEW	25	Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues					25	25	25	27	3040
NEW	26	Darlin' - The Beach Boys					27	21	28		2750
25	27	Jackie - Scott Walker					26		24	24	2345
29	28	Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood					28	22		30	1885
21	29	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					29		26	26	1675
NEW	30	The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann					30	27			800
		Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes						28			600
		Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five							30	28	505
		I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits							29		500
		Mr. Second Class - The Spencer Davis Group						30			200
		The Best Part Of Breaking Up - The Symbols								29	170

[MrTibbs]

Thanks for that Brian it confirms that by 13th January MMT was indeed already a big seller with more sales to come so perhaps its inclusion in the Top Ten singles of 1967 was justified after all.

[brian05]

So the MMT EP made no. 1 in the Melody Maker (and DISC) chart. Here's a scan from DISC dated 13th January 1968, with some sales figures.

[MrTibbs]

Yeah, agree Robbie, some cracking toons on this chart, John Fred, Simon Dupree, Monkees, Four Tops, Georgie Fame, Both Beatles, Long John Baldry, Scaffold (Thank U Very Much for 'luv'), Scott Walker, Plastic Penny, all my pocket money went on those back in the day.

[Robbie]

'Judy In Disguise' - a great song. I also love the version by Silicon Teens which was released in January 1980. I also love the kitsch sound of 'Kites' by Simon Dupree. It doesn't matter how many times I hear the song, I never get fed up of hearing it.

My mum used to own a compilation album which contained 'She Wears My Ring' by Solomon King. I remember being surprised when I found out it was a hit in 1968 as it sounds a decade out of date.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 13th 1968

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 13th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Hello Goodbye - The Beatles					1	1	3	1	15550
2	2	Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles					2	4	1	2	15365
6	3	Daydream Believer - The Monkees					3	2	2	5	15260
8	4	Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops					4	3	4	3	14730
13	5	The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame					5	5	5	4	13995
5	6	Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold					6	7	6	6	13175
4	7	I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones					7	6	7	7	13040
9	8	World - The Bee Gees					8	8	8	12	11965
11	9	Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound					9	9	10	9	11520
7	10	Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney					11	11	9	11	11200
3	11	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican					10	10	11	8	11155
10	12	Careless Hands - Des O'Connor					13	12	12	13	10080
14	13	Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic					12	13	13	10	9885
18	14	In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes					14	14	14	14	9095
20	15	Tin Soldier - The Small Faces					15	15	17	16	7975
12	16	Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry					16	18	15	18	7705
16	17	All My Love - Cliff Richard					17	19	16	17	7340
NEW	18	Everlasting Love - The Love Affair					18	20	18	15	6810
19	19	The Other's Man's Grass - Petula Clark					19	17	21	20	6235
28	20	Paradise Lost - The Herd					20	21	22	21	5100
17	21	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					21	26	20	19	4770
NEW	22	Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck					23	16	24		4750
15	23	Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five					22	27	19	22	4565
NEW	24	Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band					24	22	26	23	3730
22	25	Jackie - Scott Walker					25	27	23	24	3395
NEW	26	Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny					26	24	27	27	2740
26	27	Susannah's Still Alive - Dave Davies					27	22		26	2225
23	28	Big Spender - Shirley Bassey					30		25		1500
NEW	29	Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood					29	25			1200
NEW	30	She Wears My Ring - Solomon King					28		30	25	760
		Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues							28		750
		I Only Live To Love You - Cilla Black							29	29	670
		Chain Of Fools - Aretha Franklin						29			400
		I Second That Emotion - Smokey Robinson and The Miracles								28	255
		Love Is All Around - The Troggs						30			200
		I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor								30	85

[Splodj]

Magical Mystery Tour moves in mysterious ways in the MM charts. After climbing more slowly, it is about to take a leap ...

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here we go ! Onward and Upward into 1968

There are 18 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 6th 1968

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 6th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Hello Goodbye - The Beatles					1	1	1	1	16050
2	2	Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles					2	2	4	2	15015
3	3	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican					4	3	2	8	14805
4	4	I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones					3	4	3	3	14780
9	5	Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold					6	7	5	4	13595
6	6	Daydream Believer - The Monkees					6	5	6	6	13575
8	7	Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney					8	8	7	7	12640
7	8	Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops					7	6	11	5	12210
11	9	World - The Bee Gees					9	9	10	12	11265
5	10	Careless Hands - Des O'Connor					11	10	9	14	11145
13	11	Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound					10	11	12	9	10620
10	12	Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry					13	14	8	15	10510
12	13	The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame					12	12	14	10	9835
15	14	Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic					14	13	16	11	9050
14	15	Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five					15	16	13	17	8690
16	16	All My Love - Cliff Richard					18	15	17	18	7805
18	17	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					19	19	15	16	7675
17	18	In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes					16	17	18	13	7580
21	19	The Other Man's Grass - Petula Clark					17	18	20	21	6200
19	20	Tin Soldier - The Small Faces					20	22	19	19	5820
22	21	Love Is All Around - The Troggs					23	23	22	26	4275
20	22	Jackie - Scott Walker					21	21	26	22	4015
25	23	Big Spender - Shirley Bassey					24	27	21	24	3895
23	24	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					26	24	24	30	3235
24	25	I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor					25	25	25	25	3210
26	26	Susannah's Still Alive - Dave Davies					22	20		20	3135
28	27	So Tired - Frankie Vaughan					27		23	27	2340
NEW	28	Paradise Lost - The Herd					28		28	23	1430
RE	29	Soul Man - Sam and Dave					29		27	28	1255
27	30	Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations					30	26			1000
		Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich						28	30		850
		I Only Live To Love You - Cilla Black							29	29	670
		There Is A Mountain - Donovan						29			400
		Chain Of Fools - Aretha Franklin						30			200

[MrTibbs]

Before I continue into 1968 here is my usual end of year list of non charting injustices, the records which were criminally ignored in 1967 and should (in my humble opinion) have charted here in the UK.

Buckinghams - Kind Of A Drag
Doors - Light My Fire
Ed Ames - My Cup Runneth Over
Lulu - Best Of Both Worlds and To Sir With Love (should have been singles here too)
P.P. Arnold - The Time Has Come (how the he** did this manage to miss out)
Peter Paul and Mary - I Dig Rock And Roll Music
Spanky and Our Gang - Sunday Will Never Be The Same
Union Gap - Woman Woman

Ah well ! 1968 next.

Brian.

[kingofskiffle]

It's not a worthy thing - it allows us to amend posts and post reasons why. Comments sort of can get out of hand if you want to comment on the comment I'm making on a post (You can see the coding issues this could cause). I think there was a post about it in the Front Desk but can't recall....

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

MM did not compile a chart for this week and neither did the BBC, so the chart this week is based on NME and RR.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 30th 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 30th 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Hello Goodbye - The Beatles						1		1	8550
7	2	Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles						2		2	8265
2	3	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican						3		4	7895
4	4	I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones						4		3	7780
6	5	Careless Hands - Des O'Connor						5		11	6900
12	6	Daydream Believer - The Monkees						7		7	6840
16	7	Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops						6		10	6785
5	8	Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney						9		5	6610
10	9	Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold						8		9	6470
3	10	Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry						12		8	5755
9	11	World - The Bee Gees						11		15	5360
23	12	The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame						10		18	5305
11	13	Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound						13		14	5045
8	14	Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five						14		16	4675
14	15	Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic						16		12	4615
13	16	All My Love - Cliff Richard						19		6	4525
17	17	In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes						15		17	4390
15	18	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck						17		13	4330
19	19	Tin Soldier - The Small Faces						20		19	3220
24	20	Jackie - Scott Walker						18		28	2855
NEW	21	The Other Man's Grass - Petula Clark						22		24	2395
18	22	Love Is All Around - The Troggs						21		27	2340
22	23	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan						24		20	2335
20	24	I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor						25		21	2050
26	25	Big Spender - Shirley Bassey						26		22	1765
29	26	Susannah's Still Alive - Dave Davies						23		30	1685
21	27	Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations						27		25	1310
25	28	So Tired - Frankie Vaughan								23	680
27	29	Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich						28			600
NEW	30	La Derniere Valse - Mireille Mathieu								26	425
		Neither MM or The BBC compiled a chart for 30th December. So The Ultimate Averaged Chart was compiled from NME and RR.									0
		There Is A Mountain - Donovan						29			400
		Autumn Almanac - The Kinks						30			200
		I Only Live To Love You - Cilla Black								29	170

[MrTibbs]

I find The Top Ten Of Music really useful and lots of its bestseller lists credible, however, some of its lists do seem to incorporate sales in the top ten split between the two years, and others don't. A few records listed in the top ten in a few lists do raise my eyebrows as well, as do some of the omissions.

I honestly believe that ANY list of bestselling singles of the fifties, sixties and early seventies is highly suspect as accurate sales data is notably sketchy at best for many records.