The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[Graham76man]

You are not combining Nancy's - You Only Live Twice and Nancy and Lee's - Jackson on the NME chart? It's just a double A side, not two separate records. In the end it's just a flaw in NME's compilation, with some retailers putting down the Bond Theme and some putting down Jackson. It's unlikely that any shop put them both down in the top 50. Unless the person filling in the chart return was a bit thick?
I thought you had a way of putting them together without giving the record to greater shove up the chart?

It's a shame the record company didn't release both sides as separate singles. As this split clearly stopped the Bond Theme reaching the top ten. Even the Real Chart only had it at 12 though it stayed 23 weeks selling nearly 700K.

Some of the Pirate Radio stations clearly hated the Bond Theme, especially Radio London. Who always listed Jackson in it's made up top 40. But I think it's much better than Jackson! I suspect if the Record Company had known that the "Theme" would get some stick from the Pirates, they would have issued it separate.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

The most sublime, evocative song of the 'flower power' era is poised to capture #1, Scott McKenzie's San Francisco.
There are a massive 17 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Guys, Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 5th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 5th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	All You Need Is Love - The Beatles					1	1	1	2	1	18950
2	2	San Francisco - Scott McKenzie					2	2	2	1	2	18515
3	3	It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr					3	3	3	3	4	17695
9	4	Death Of A Clown - Dave Davies					4	4	4	9	3	16730
5	5	She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles					6	7	5	4	7	16040
4	6	Alternate Title - The Monkees					5	6	7	5	5	15810
20	7	I'll Never Fall In In Love Again - Tom Jones					7	4	8	6	6	15775
6	8	See Emily Play - Pink Floyd					9	9	6	10	9	14620
13	9	I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder					8	10	9	7	8	14055
10	10	Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann Singers					10	8	10	8	11	13850
8	11	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					11	11	12	11	12	12365
7	12	A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum					12	14	11	13	10	11985
11	13	Let's Pretend - Lulu					13	12	13	12	13	11730
19	14	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					14	13	14	14	14	10995
16	15	You Only Live Twice / Jackson - Nancy Sinatra					16	15	15	18	20	9435
12	16	Respect - Aretha Franklin					15	16	17	17	15	9260
15	17	Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me - Gladys Knight and The Pips					19	19	16	20	18	8355
25	18	007 - Desmond Dekker					17	18	19	16	19	8120
23	19	Tramp - Otis Redding and Carla Thomas					18	17	20	15	21	8000
14	20	Groovin' - The Young Rascals					20	23	18	21	16	7125
NEW	21	Creeque Alley - The Mamas And Papas					21	20	23	19	17	6590
17	22	Carrie Anne - The Hollies					23	21	26	25	26	4275
18	23	Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops					26	26	21	27	28	4155
29	24	Annabella - John Walker					22	27	24	22	24	4045
27	25	Marta / My World - The Bachelors					24	29	22	26	22	3915
24	26	Tonight In Tokyo - Sandie Shaw					25	30	25	24	23	3080
NEW	27	Trying To Forget - Jim Reeves					27	27	27	23		2600
NEW	28	Gin House - Amen Corner					29	25		30	27	1640
NEW	29	Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes					30	23				1600
21	30	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					28		28	28	25	1560
		Jackson - Nancy Sinatra and Lee Hazlewood						22
		Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces							30	29	29	620
		Strange Brew - Cream							29			500
		Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark									30	85

[Graham76man]

Joe Brown reached 34 with his version at this time in 1967. The biggest hit for it would come a year later for Joe Cocker, of course the last big hitter on the 45 market was Wet Wet Wet.
John Barry's theme to You Only Live Twice did sell, but reached only reached 51.

[Splodj]

RR almost back to 'normal'.

A song that hadn't charted when originally released by its co-writer Lonnie Donegan now makes it with Tom Jones.

In 1967 the Beach Boys recorded With A Little Help From My Friends but it was not released until 1983. The Seekers contemporary recording of This Is My Song was not released until 1995!

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 10 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 29th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 29th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	All You Need Is Love - The Beatles					1	1	1	1	1	19050
7	2	San Francisco - Scott McKenzie					2	2	2	2	3	18330
3	3	It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr					3	3	3	3	2	17865
2	4	Alternate Title - The Monkees					4	4	4	4	4	17145
5	5	She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles					5	5	6	5	5	16260
8	6	See Emily Play - Pink Floyd					6	8	5	6	6	15725
4	7	A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum					7	6	7	8	7	15340
6	8	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					8	7	8	7	8	14905
28	9	Death Of A Clown - Dave Davies					9	10	9	10	10	13585
19	10	Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann - Singers					10	9	11	12	9	13170
18	11	Let's Pretend - Lulu					11	12	10	11	11	12750
10	12	Respect - Aretha Franklin					12	13	12	9	12	12165
24	13	I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder					13	11	15	15	23	10280
11	14	Groovin' - The Young Rascals					16	17	14	21	15	9410
17	15	Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me - Gladys Knight and The Pips					14	19	16	17	13	9080
20	16	You Only Live Twice / Jackson - Nancy Sinatra					15	18	18	13	17	8840
9	17	Carrie Anne - The Hollies					17	21	13	22	16	8675
12	18	Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops					18	22	17	14	19	8020
22	19	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					20	15	21	28	20	6935
NEW	20	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones					19	14	26	19	21	6700
16	21	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					23	20	23	20	27	5640
13	22	Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces					22	27	20	24	18	5355
29	23	Tramp - Otis Redding and Carla Thomas					25	16	27	27	26	4825
26	24	Tonight In Tokyo - Sandie Shaw					24		22	16	22	4515
NEW	25	007 - Desmond Dekker					21	24		18	14	4145
14	26	Strange Brew - Cream					26		19	23	29	3970
NEW	27	Marta / My World - The Bachelors					27	26	25	25	28	3355
15	28	Paper Sun - Traffic					29=	25	24			2950
RE	29	Annabella - John Walker					28	23			25	2110
RE	30	When You're Young And In Love - The Marvelettes					29=	30		26	24	1295
		Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark							28		30	835
		Trying To Forget - Jim Reeves						28				600
		With A Little Help From My Friends - The Young Idea						29		30		500
		Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich							29			500
		Shake - Otis Redding							30			250
		The Happening - The Supremes								29		200

[Metalweb]

Anyone remember Sham 69's version?

Followed the "get the worst singer in the band to perform it" example....from a much lower baseline.....

[Graham76man]

Sales figures from The Real Chart.
300,000 copies ordered. For at least 8,000 shops. That's 37 in each shop!
I can imagine some manager on the phone, "what's the idea sending me 25 copies of the Beatles!"

[MrTibbs]

It came from The Beatles Sgt. Pepper album Brian. Ringo sang it but it had lots of cover versions.

[brian05]

Very strange indeed.
A great song - wonder who did the original version!!

[MrTibbs]

Yip, The Young Idea jumped from 29 to 10 on RR, then the following week will drop from 10 right out of the Top 30 on RR.

[brian05]

At least RR got the no. 1 correct!
Surprise that the Young Idea were at no. 10 in RR.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Seeing the charts lined up side by side lays bare just how out of sync RR is with the others on some records due to the drop in store returns.
Also there are 17 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 22nd 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 22nd 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
3	1	All You Need Is Love - The Beatles					1	1	1	1	1	19050
2	2	Alternate Title - The Monkees					2	2	2	2	2	18415
6	3	It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr					3	3	3	4	3	17680
1	4	A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum					4	5	5	3	4	16795
5	5	She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles					5	4	4	5	7	16790
4	6	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					6	6	7	6	6	15625
21	7	San Francisco - Scott McKenzie					7	7	8	7	5	15160
10	8	See Emily Play - Pink Floyd					8	8	6	8	8	15105
7	9	Carrie Anne - The Hollies					10	9	9	10	19	13020
13	10	Respect - Aretha Franklin					9	10	12	9	16	12425
9	11	Groovin' - The Young Rascals					12	11	10	11	22	12015
12	12	Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops					11	14	13	15	12	11115
11	13	Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces					13	12	15	14	17	10690
15	14	Strange Brew - Cream					14	16	14	12	18	10255
8	15	Paper Sun - Traffic					16	13	11	16		10100
16	16	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					15	23	18	13	9	8520
20	17	Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me - Gladys Knight and The Pips					17	17	20	21	15	7910
23	18	Let's Pretend - Lulu					19	18	16	20		7450
NEW	19	Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann Singers					20	20	22	18	26	6175
NEW	20	You Only Live Twice / Jackson - Nancy Sinatra					18	21	25	23	11	6000
17	21	Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark					21	27	19	19	24	5595
24	22	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					22	21	21	24		5200
14	23	Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					23=	26	17	25		5100
27	24	I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder					23=	15	26	27		4850
19	25	Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley					23=	24	23	22	30	4385
NEW	26	Tonight In Tokyo - Sandie Shaw					27	25	28		21	2800
18	27	The Happening - The Supremes					28=		24	26	25	2760
NEW	28	Death Of A Clown - Dave Davies						28	27	29	23	2480
NEW	29	Tramp - Otis Redding and Carla Thomas						19				2400
NEW	30	With A Little Help From My Friends - The Young Idea					26				10	1785
		* RR is all over the place this week due to a problem with store returns but the Ultimate Averaged Chart does a much better job than the BBC chart does by producing a much more balanced chart.
		007 - Desmond Dekker					28=			17	27	1740
		When You're Young And In Love - The Marvelettes					28=				13	1530
		Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers									14	1445
		Marta - The Bachelors								30	20	1035
		Shake - Otis Redding							30	28	28	805
		Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes							29			500
		Trying To Forget - Jim Reeves						29				400
		Annabella - John Walker						30				200
		Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas									29	170

[brian05]

The actual sale of the Beatles that week was 210,000 of course going straight in at the top.

Fascinating! Where did you get that information from? What is your source??

A large store might for example run out of stock

Unlikely, after 2 days. They would have sufficient records in stock knowing it was by the Beatles (and it had been featured in the worldwide TV program). With 300,000 advance orders there would have been plenty of records in all stores, assuming a good EMI distribution system.

It is more likely that both NME and DISC had discontinued their advance orders policy. But we will see the situation in December 1967 (and how an EP got into the singles chart).

[Graham76man]

If NME and DISC allowed advance orders to influence who was at number one, how come All You Need Is Love is no. 1 in NME but only no. 6 in DISC?
Or was this practice discontinued at some stage?
The advance orders were 300,000 by the day of release.

The Beatles track was released on Friday of the chart week, two days of sales. Advanced orders would have shown up the week before, making the single enter before it was released.
Both NME and Disc only got a return of the most popular 50 record that a shop was saying it was selling. This is why some of them added albums to the list, but some stuck to the concept of 45rpm only. Depending on how the dealer filled in the form a record could have placed at 49 on one list and 1 on another. Though in both stores that record sold the most in both stores. A large store might for example run out of stock and place the record at 20. But the actual numbers of copies sold in that store might have outsold any number one in four other stores that were smaller.
The actual sale of the Beatles that week was 210,000 of course going straight in at the top.
Generally a point system works, giving reasonably correct positions for some records, but it has two problems. One is distribution. Stores will say a record is selling well, but actually they don't have enough copies to maintain the positions that a points system will give the record. For example a record at 30 going down might be in actual sales 49. Second is store size. As above a large store can shift more copies of some singles than many small scale shops put together. But the points system treats them as equal. Balancing out the charts using several charts is great, but the problem is when there is no agreement. The Beatles could have been between One and Six that week, but only the NME was right, that week. So it's no surprise that Brian has it three, halfway point!
For example if today the same method was employed on download charts. Amazon would have equal footing with iTunes. And when the OCC was still doing download charts only, we know that you could be the top in Amazon (exclusive) and not show up in the top 100 best sellers.

[MrTibbs]

Yes Robbie, I think the week of the 15th saw the start of the effect of this reduction in store returns affecting a chart that already had the lowest number of store returns anyway. You can see one early example of this epitomised in Splodj's comment above whereas Traffic were 8 8 8 in three music papers and 15 in RR and obviously way off the mark.

RR's chart got even worse on the 22nd and 29th with chart positions all over the place. I actually seriously considered not including RR in the averaging process for these weeks due to this.
I actually made a comment on the chart for 22nd July, which you are due to see next that RR positions are 'all over the place'.

Brian, the difference could possibly be due to either Disc having discontinued by now to use advanced orders or that it was because Disc used a smaller sample size of store returns than NME.

[brian05]

If NME and DISC allowed advance orders to influence who was at number one, how come All You Need Is Love is no. 1 in NME but only no. 6 in DISC?
Or was this practice discontinued at some stage?
The advance orders were 300,000 by the day of release.

[Robbie]

Is this not the time when Record Retailer was having problems getting dealer returns on time? I think Record Retailer changed its publication day and there were a few charts compiled in July and August 1967 that were compiled using a much lower number of returns. The RR chart became very volatile for a short while. One of the records to have a bizarre RR chart run ('With A Little Help From My Friends' by Young Idea) is new at number 29. The Mike Sammes Singers will soon chart on RR with 'Somewhere My Love' and that too has a bizarre chart run. I'm thinking that perhaps the dealers that did get returns in on time were perhaps selling more MOR type records.

[MrTibbs]

Yeah yet another one of those big RR chart anomalies and proof the sample size was totally inadequate and not robust enough.

[Splodj]

I don't know what RR had against the excellent 'Paper Sun'.

RR placed it at 15 this week when the others had it at 8, then next week plunged it down to 37.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 15 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 15th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 15th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum					1	3	2	1	1	18400
3	2	Alternate Title - The Monkees					2	2	1	3	3	18580
NEW	3	All You Need Is Love - The Beatles					3	1	3	6	2	17965
2	4	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					4=	5	4	5	4	16845
5	5	She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles					4=	4	5	4	5	16810
9	6	It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr					6	6	6	3	6	16175
4	7	Carrie Anne - The Hollies					7	7	7	7	7	15240
6	8	Paper Sun - Traffic					9=	8	8	8	15	14010
8	9	Groovin' - The Young Rascals					9=	9	9	10	11	13700
19	10	See Emily Play - Pink Floyd					8	10	10	9	8	13605
10	11	Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces					11	11	11	13	14	12245
15	12	Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops					13	12	12	12	18	11555
17	13	Respect - Aretha Franklin					12	15	15	11	10	10985
7	14	Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					14=	13	13	14	19	10820
13	15	Strange Brew - Cream					16	14	14	15	17	10440
12	16	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					14=	17	17	16	9	9670
11	17	Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark					17	16	16	18	20	8985
14	18	The Happening - The Supremes					18	20	18	17	16	8125
18	19	Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley					19	22	20	19	12	7365
26	20	Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me - Gladys Knight and The Pips					21	19	19	20	22	7265
NEW	21	San Francisco - Scott McKenzie					20	18	26	21	13	6380
16	22	Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes					22	27	21	23	23	4780
28	23	Let's Pretend - Lulu					23	30	23	22		3100
NEW	24	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					26=	28	22	30		2950
30	25	Shake - Otis Redding					25	24	30	28	28	2205
24	26	I'll Come Running - Cliff Richard					28		24		26	2175
NEW	27	I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder					29=	21				2000
21	28	What Good Am I - Cilla Black					29=		25	27		1900
NEW	29	Annabella - John Walker					26=	25		24		1900
NEW	30	When You're Young And In Love - The Marvelettes					24	29		26	21	1750
		Claire - Paul and Barry Ryan						23				1600
		Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill					29=		28		24	1345
		Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band							29	25		1100
		Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann Singers						26				1000
		Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks							27			1000
		You Only Live Twice / Jackson - Nancy Sinatra									25	510
		Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas									27	340
		Marta - The Bachelors								29		200
		With A Little Help From My Friends - The Young Idea									29	170
		Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners									30	85

[Metalweb]

I believe Whiter Shade sold more over the weeks it thankfully kept Engelbert from No 1 but Engelbert picked up more sales overall by hanging around the chart for longer.
Yeah Splodj when I visited the newspaper library at Colindale a while back to copy all the chart positions I was well into 1969 copying the Disc chart before I realised it was the same as MM.

If it wasn't for A Whiter Shade Of Pale Engelbert would have emulated Gerry & The Pacemakers in getting his first three hits to Number One.

Ironically the classically influenced AWSOP also owed much of its success to the older record buyer...

[Graham76man]

I could never understand why EMI in the UK went with Let's Pretend for Lulu instead of To Sir With Love,
a USA #1 for 5 weeks and the biggest selling single in the U.S. of 1967. A very strange mistake.

Actually Brian that's an easy one to understand. The film wasn't released in the UK till November of 1967, so the public would have not known in July the connection of the song to the movie.
The film was much bigger in the states than it was here. Due to the fact that a black teacher was teaching white kids. Although the UK had it's element of racism, there were no laws telling black people that they couldn't mix with white people. It was the reason why the film was shot in the UK and not the USA. Even though he was clearly an American actor, which would have been odd for an American black teacher to be teaching in the UK, unless he came to the UK to train to be a teacher! It would have been hard to get the teaching qualifications (being black) in the USA, though not impossible. But it was clearly the intention of the film to highlight the silly laws of the USA, not to get caught up in reality.
Lulu admitted herself that she was just playing herself in the film. It was a bit ironic really as Lulu missed some school later in life, so much so that the school bobby came knocking on the door and Lulu's mum answered the question "Why hasn't she been at school?" With "She's a pop star".

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

I could never understand why EMI in the UK went with Let's Pretend for Lulu instead of To Sir With Love,
a USA #1 for 5 weeks and the biggest selling single in the U.S. of 1967. A very strange mistake.

But, meantime here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 8th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 8th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum					1	1	1	1	1	19050
2	2	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					2	2	2	2	2	18415
7	3	Alternate Title - The Monkees					3	3	3	3	3	17780
3	4	Carrie Anne - The Hollies					4=	5	4	4	5	16860
6	5	She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles					4=	4	5	5	4	16795
5	6	Paper Sun - Traffic					6	6	7	6	8	15455
4	7	Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					7	7	6	8	7	15390
8	8	Groovin' - The Young Rascals					8	8	9	7	9	14370
19	9	It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr					9	9	10	9	6	13975
11	10	Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces					10	10	8	10	12	13665
12	11	Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark					11	11	11	12	16	12175
13	12	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					12	14	13	15	10	11285
20	13	Strange Brew - Cream					13	12	15	11	18	10905
10	14	The Happening - The Supremes					14	17	12	13	14	10795
18	15	Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops					15	13	14	17	15	10610
9	16	Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes					17	15	16	14	20	9585
24	17	Respect - Aretha Franklin					16	16	18	16	11	9450
15	18	Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley					18	19	19	19	13	8130
27	19	See Emily Play - Pink Floyd					19	18	20	18	17	7840
14	20	Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks					20	20	17	20	23	7480
21	21	What Good Am I - Cilla Black					22=	21	21	21		5500
17	22	Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band					21	22	24	22	19	5470
16	23	Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys					25	24	23	25	24	4595
26	24	I'll Come Running - Cliff Richard					26	25	22	23	27	4590
22	25	Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill					22=	23	25	24	22	4565
NEW	26	Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me - Gladys Knight and The Pips					24	30	26	29	21	2500
23	27	Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas					27	29	27	26	25	2410
NEW	28	Let's Pretend - Lulu					28	27	30	28	30	1435
NEW	29	Claire - Paul and Barry Ryan					30	26		30		1100
NEW	30	Shake - Otis Redding					29		29	27	29	1070
		Night Of The Long Grass - The Troggs							28			750
		Annabella - John Walker						28				600
		Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck									26	425
		When You're Young And In Love - The Marvelettes									28	255

[MrTibbs]

If I remember correctly I think Dave Taylor once told me Cashbox compiled an averaged chart of their own and then added a random sample of some stores on top of this to get their chart but it was usually a week behind which would tie in with what you said Splodj.

[Splodj]

I wonder how Cashbox compiled their British chart. Alan Smith says it was a composite topped up with small-scale sampling.

However the Cashbox Top 20 does not bear such a striking similarity to the BBC chart as the Pop Weekly Top 30 which was supposed to be compiled in the same way (but ended in Nov-65). Looking at the 1-Jul-67 Cashbox the chart appears to be comparable to w/e 24-June published UK ones, evidenced by The Turtles entering at 16, but there are significant differences. For example, it has the Kinks at 3 instead of 5 or 7.