The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[Graham76man]

I think you mean "7 Rooms of Gloom".

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

And into the chart comes one of my very favourite singles of 1967, She'd Rather Be With Me from The Turtles. Wonderful stuff !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 24th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 24th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum					1	1	1	1	1	19050
2	2	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					2	2	2	2	2	18415
6	3	Carrie Anne - The Hollies					3	3	3	3	3	17780
4	4	Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes					4	4	6	4	4	16645
3	5	Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks					5	5	7	5	5	16010
5	6	The Happening - The Supremes					6=	7	4	7	7	15990
11	7	Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					6=	6	5	8	6	15925
12	8	Paper Sun - Traffic					8	8	10	6	8	14305
10	9	Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley					9	9	13	11	9	12770
13	10	Groovin' - The Young Rascals					10	10	12	10	11	12750
8	11	Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys					11	11	11	12	10	12685
9	12	Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band					12	14	9	9	13	12630
16	13	Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark					13	16	8	13	15	11910
7	14	Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas					14	13	15	14	12	10915
24	15	Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces					16	12	16	17	16	10225
17	16	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					15	17	14	15	14	10095
NEW	17	She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles					17	15	20	18	19	8270
27	18	What Good Am I - Cilla Black					20	18	18	16	28	7605
14	19	Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill					18	22	17	20	18	7505
20	20	Night Of The Long Grass - The Troggs					19	24	19	19	17	6790
25	21	I'll Come Running - Cliff Richard					22	19	22	21	29	5820
18	22	The First Cut Is The Deepest - P.P. Arnold					21	27	21	22	20	5135
NEW	23	Alternate Title - The Monkees					26	21	24	29	30	4035
30	24	Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops					23	23	28	23	21	4000
NEW	25	Strange Brew - Cream					24	20		25	22	3565
19	26	Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw					25	27	25	27	24	3295
NEW	27	Respect - Aretha Franklin					27	25	27	26	27	3040
23	28	Give Me Time - Dusty Springfield					29		23	30	26	2525
15	29	The Wind Cries Mary - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					28	29	26		23	2330
NEW	30	It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr					30	26	30	24		1950
		Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (LP) - The Beatles						30				200
		Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners							29		25	1010
		Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra								28		300

[MrTibbs]

Yeah I get the similarity between the Tops and R Dean as well. I love Motown.

[Metalweb]

Agree Seven Rooms Of Gloom is a great track - it's pretty similar to R Dean Taylor's rather better known There's A Ghost In My House.

Bizarrely, Blondie covered Seven Rooms Of Gloom live on their 79/80 UK tour!

[Graham76man]

Don't forget these charts used points not sales. To them one shop which sold 200 copies of a record was equal to a larger shop selling five times that amount. It's pretty inconsistent too that the Hump would miss the top spot and he didn't, not in the real world. Especially when you put Woolies into the play, which none of the above charts did.
Though Procol would go on to sell 1,703, they were out of the charts by September and Hump was still in November currently on 1,503 as I am still doing the full 1967 chart. However I can't see the record passing their figure.

[MrTibbs]

I believe Whiter Shade sold more over the weeks it thankfully kept Engelbert from No 1 but Engelbert picked up more sales overall by hanging around the chart for longer.
Yeah Splodj when I visited the newspaper library at Colindale a while back to copy all the chart positions I was well into 1969 copying the Disc chart before I realised it was the same as MM.

[Robbie]

At least Procul Harum did what the Beatles couldn't do - they stopped Engelbert in his tracks! How many copies did 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' sell? I once read it sold 600,000 copies which seems a bit low for a 6 week (on Record Retailer) chart topper. I've seen a figure of 750,000 for 'There Goes My Everything' which doesn't tie in with the Procol Harum figure.

Good to see 'Seven Rooms Of Gloom' by The Four Tops making the Ultimate Averaged Chart on the NME chart placing alone. The other newspapers were behind at first on this one and, as a result, so too was POTP. It's a seemingly forgotten Four Tops single. Great song though and a change from their normal style of flowing Motown songs. Excellent vocals and brilliant drumming. Although the track is listed on the charts as 'Seven Rooms Of Gloom', the credit on the actual record is '7-Rooms Of Gloom'.

[Splodj]

Indeed it does seem silly to include albums when you have them listed in a separate chart.

When Disc stopped compiling their own single and album charts there was no mention of it in the paper and I bet very few readers realised they had switched over to using MMs. Only after few years did they have a MM credit underneath their printed chart.

Also Disc did not say who provided their USA charts in the 60s, perhaps presuming that you assumed it was Billboard. In fact only RM did not use Billboard, with Cashbox. Then when Billboard took over RM they became the only one who did use Billboard, with MM changing to Record World and the other two changing to Cashbox.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 17th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 17th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum					1	1	1	1	1	19050
4	2	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					2	2	2	2	2	18415
3	3	Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks					3=	4	3	4	3	17480
2	4	Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes					3=	3	4	3	4	17445
7	5	The Happening - The Supremes					5	5	5	6	6	16325
14	6	Carrie Anne - The Hollies					6	6	8	5	5	15560
5	7	Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas					7	7	6	9	9	15120
6	8	The I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys					8	8	10	7	8	14205
10	9	Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band					9	11	7	10	11	13800
9	10	Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley					10	10	9	14	7	13440
16	11	Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					11	9	11	12	10	13085
24	12	Paper Sun - Traffic					13	14	12	13	12	11565
22	13	Groovin' - The Young Rascals					12	12	15	8	14	11545
15	14	Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill					14	16	13	11	13	11030
8	15	The Wind Cries Mary - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					15	13	17	18	15	9760
26	16	Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark					16=	15	16	15	22	9315
21	17	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					16=	20	14	17	17	9040
17	18	The First Cut Is The Deepest - P.P. Arnold					18	18	18	16	18	8455
12	19	Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw					19	17	20	20	20	7585
28	20	Night Of The Long Grass - The Troggs					20	21	19	22	19	6920
11	21	Pictures Of Lily - The Who					22	21	23	27	21	5250
13	22	Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners					21	28	21	26	16	4875
23	23	Give Me Time - Dusty Springfield					23	26	24	21	27	4090
NEW	24	Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces					26	19	26		26	4075
NEW	25	I'll Come Running - Cliff Richard					27	23	25	24		3800
18	26	Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra					24=		22	23	25	3560
NEW	27	What Good Am I - Cilla Black					24=	23	28	19		3550
19	28	The Boat That I Row - Lulu					28=		27	25	29	1770
20	29	Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones					28=		29	29	23	1380
NEW	30	Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops						25				1200
		Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (LP) - The Beatles						27				800
		New York Mining Disaster 1941 - The Bee Gees					30		30		24	845
		Strange Brew - Cream						29		28		700
		I Got Rhythm - The Happenings								30	28	355
		Respect - Aretha Franklin						30				200
		Casino Royale - Herb Alpert									30	85

[MrTibbs]

Yeah setg you are right, that stirred my memory on what I read, Disc stopped the practise of placing albums in the singles chart when they started their album chart.

[setg1]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that Disc stopped albums in their singles chart around the end of 1966 and only NME continued beyond that.

The last album I can find charting in Disc was "Rubber Soul" at #26 on January 8, 1966. Disc started publishing a separate album chart on April 23 the same year – maybe that's when LPs stopped being eligible for the singles chart? A sensible decision, I wonder why NME didn't do the same...

[MrTibbs]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that Disc stopped albums in their singles chart around the end of 1966 and only NME continued beyond that.

[Splodj]

I think Radio London put 'A Day In The Life' at number one because it put into sharp contrast their policy and that of the BBC who had banned it.

[Graham76man]

Even before Sgt Pepper came out artists were fighting tooth and nail to record the songs off the album. Bernard Cribbins even did When I'm 64.
Others doing songs from it: The Young Idea, David and Jonathan, Joe Brown, Kenny Ball.
Of course if downloads had been around then, the tracks from it would have been all over the top 40! But of course it was many years later when any Beatles tracks from it were issued as a single.

The fact that it's in any of the singles charts shows you how sloppy some of the dealers filled in their returns. Had they all been like that then it would have been number one on NME. Since the album in 200 shops would have outsold any singles. I don't think NME placed it into the singles chart. Unlike Radio London, who placed it at number one, but then all the records were placed into it on that top 40.

[Splodj]

Looks like Disc are no longer including LPs, or surely Sgt Pepper would be in their 30.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 10th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 10th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
3	1	A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum					1	1	1	1	1	19050
1	2	Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes					2	2	3	2	2	18165
2	3	Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks					3	4	2	3	3	17830
6	4	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					4	3	4	4	4	17345
4	5	Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas					5	5	5	5	7	16340
5	6	Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys					6	6	7	6	5	15710
8	7	The Happening - The Supremes					7	7	6	7	6	15575
7	8	The Wind Cries Mary - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					8	8	8	8	8	14605
13	9	Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley					9	9	10	11	9	13520
15	10	Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band					10	10	9	10	11	13500
9	11	Pictures Of Lily - The Who					11	10	11	9	10	13185
10	12	Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw					12	12	12	14	13	11780
12	13	Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners					15	14	19	12	12	9915
NEW	14	Carrie Anne - The Hollies					14	13	17	17	17	9690
18	15	Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill					13	18	15	13	16	9675
28	16	Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					16	15	20	21	14	8395
19	17	The First Cut Is The Deepest - P.P. Arnold					17	22	16	15	19	8170
14	18	Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra					18	23	14	20	18	8055
11	19	The Boat That I Row - Lulu					19	26	13	16	22	7765
16	20	Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones					20	24	18	19	20	6785
21	21	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					21	24	21	18	21	6050
26	22	Groovin' - The Young Rascals					22	15	27	23	23	5680
27	23	Give Me Time - Dusty Springfield					23	17	26	22	24	5545
NEW	24	Paper Sun - Traffic					25	19	23	30	26	4925
17	25	New York Mining Disaster 1941 - The Bee Gees					24	30	22	24	15	4510
29	26	Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark					26	20	24	27		4350
22	27	Casino Royale - Herb Alpert					27	27	25	28	28	2855
NEW	28	Night Of The Long Grass - The Troggs					28	28	30	26	25	1860
24	29	Walking In The Rain - The Walker Brothers					29	29	29	25		1500
20	30	Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck					30		28		27	1090
		Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (LP) - The Beatles						21				2000
		I Got Rhythm - The Happenings								29		200
		Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck									29	170
		Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience									30	85

[Splodj]

Also, by this time she'd had an incredible 39 hits in France including five number ones.

[MrTibbs]

For my money Pet Clark and Dusty Springfield were the best of the best of the sixties female hitmakers, but whilst saying that I'm also not demeaning some of the excellent others of the period who gave me so much listening pleasure.
Pet and Dusty in the mid sixties both recorded some mini masterpieces of pop perfection that I still love today.

Across the water though, and it may come as a surprise to some, Pet was the biggest by far of all our sixties girls, scoring two #1's in 65 and 66 and racking up a further 13 Top Forty hits on top of those by the end of the sixties.
By contrast Dusty had 10, Cilla had 1, Lulu had 3, but Sandie didn't have any, the closest she came was #42.

In America Pet was titled 'The First Lady Of The British Invasion' and by the chart statistics above she most certainly was.

[Splodj]

Pet Clark recorded 3 versions but there was a mix-up in distribution. The UK got 'Don't Sleep In The Subway', France got 'Don't Sleep In The Underground' and the USA got 'Ne Dormez Pas Dans Le Metro'.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

2 excellent new entries this week from Pet Clark and The Young Rascals, the 'summer of love' and the era of flower power begins to bloom. 9 differences in chart positions between the BBC and Ultimate Chart this week mainly in the lower chart region.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 3rd 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 3rd 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes					1	1	1	1	1	19050
2	2	Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks					2	2	2	2	2	18415
13	3	A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum					3	3	3	3	4	17695
3	4	Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas					4	4	4	4	3	17230
4	5	Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys					5	5	5	5	5	16510
21	6	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					6	6	7	6	7	15540
8	7	The Wind Cries Mary - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					7	8	6	8	6	15275
12	8	The Happening - The Supremes					8	7	9	7	8	14655
6	9	Pictures Of Lily - The Who					9	9	8	9	9	14220
5	10	Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw					10	10	10	10	11	13250
7	11	The Boat That I Row - Lulu					12	13	11	13	14	11845
9	12	Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners					11	11	15	11	10	11785
14	13	Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley					13	12	13	14	13	11530
10	14	Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra					14	15	12	16	12	11065
18	15	Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band					15	16	14	12	16	10425
11	16	Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones					16	14	16	15	17	9940
15	17	New York Mining Disaster 1941 - The Bee Gees					17	17	19	17	15	8560
20	18	Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill					18	19	18	19	18	7955
23	19	The First Cut Is The Deepest - P. P. Arnold					19	18	21	18	22	7165
16	20	Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck					20		17	20	19	5620
25	21	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					21	22	20	26	25	5560
22	22	Casino Royale - Herb Alpert					25	21	24	28	27	4390
17	23	A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees					22	29	22	24	21	4200
26	24	Walking In The Rain - The Walker Brothers					24	23	25	25	26	4125
19	25	Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					23		23	23	20	3735
NEW	26	Groovin' - The Young Rascals					26	20		21		3200
NEW	27	Give Me Time - Dusty Springfield					29	26	26	27		2650
NEW	28	Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					27		30	22	24	1745
NEW	29	Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark						25	29			1700
27	30	Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck					28		27		23	1680
		Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (LP) - The Beatles						26				1000
		Night Of The Long Grass - The Troggs					30	24		29		1600
		Birds And Bees - Warm Sounds							28		29	920
		I Got Rhythm - The Happenings						28		30		700
		I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move						30			28	455
		Ha ! Ha ! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann									30	85

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Lots of BBC ties again this week but the divine 'Whiter Shade' THE hit of 1967 comes in to grace the chart !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 27th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 27th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes					1	1	1	1	1	19050
7	2	Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks					2	2	2	3	2	18315
2	3	Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas					3	3	3	2	3	17880
11	4	Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys					4	6	4	4	4	16745
3	5	Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw					5	5	5	5	5	16510
4	6	Pictures Of Lily - The Who					6	4	6	7	6	16175
6	7	The Boat That I Row - Lulu					7	8	7	6	8	15055
14	8	The Wind Cries Mary - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					8=	7	10	8	9	14220
8	9	Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners					8=	9	9	9	7	14140
5	10	Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra					10	10	8	11	10	13735
9	11	Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones					11	12	11	10	11	12600
21	12	The Happening - The Supremes					12	14	12	12	13	11580
NEW	13	A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum					15	11	14	13	21	10900
19	14	Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley					13	13	15	14	15	10660
16	15	New York Mining Disaster 1941 - The Bee Gees					14	15	16	15	12	10165
15	16	Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck					16	19	13	19	14	9545
10	17	A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees					17	17	17	17	18	8805
24	18	Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band					18	20	18	16	17	8140
12	19	Purple Haze - The Jimi Handrix Experience					19	18	20	18	16	7925
29	20	Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill					20	23	19	20	22	6465
NEW	21	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					21	16	22	23	29	6220
23	22	Casino Royale - Herb Alpert					22	22	23	22	27	5040
27	23	The First Cut Is The Deepest - P. P. Arnold					23=	24	24	24	23	4530
13	24	I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move					23=	21	28	26	20	4185
25	25	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					26=	27	21	30	25	3910
NEW	26	Walking In The Rain - The Walker Brothers					25	25	25	21		3700
17	27	Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck					26=		26	27	19	2670
18	28	Ha ! Ha ! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann					28		27	25	24	2195
NEW	29	Music To Watch Girls By - Andy Williams					29	25		28		1500
20	30	Happy Together - The Turtles					30		29	29	26	1125
		Birds And Bees - Warm Sounds						29	30		28	905
		I Got Rhythm - The Happenings						28				600
		Groovin' - The Young Rascals						29				400
		I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens									30	85

[Graham76man]

Hanging around at the same time as these charts were lots of records that for some reason were ignored by the main charts. Most well known too.
Such as David Bowie - The Laughing Gnome (which David hated). Danny Laine - Say You Don't Mind. - yes the 70's hit for someone else! Manfred Man - Sweet Pea. And an EP from Paul Jones - Privilege, which did make RR EP chart. It's was from a movie, which I have never seen! Suppose it might turn up one day on Talking Pictures TV.

[Metalweb]

^

There's a retro feel to it too - it slightly reminds me of The New Vaudeville Band's "Finchley Central" - another new entry in this very chart....

[Robbie]

Have a listen to it Robbie, it's quirky, catchy, and so 1967. It perfectly embraces the era and the spirit of the time.

I meant to edit my first sentence to read "I'd not heard of 'Birds And Bees' by Warm Sounds until now, I've just listened to it on YouTube.". It's an interesting song and I can hear its appeal.

[MrTibbs]

Have a listen to it Robbie, it's quirky, catchy, and so 1967. It perfectly embraces the era and the spirit of the time.