The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[Splodj]

'Dont Be Cruel' was flipped to 'Hound Dog'.

[MrTibbs]

I think it was much more difficult in the fifties to tell the earliest example of this because records were more thought of as having two songs of equal value rather than having a defined A side and a B side. This shows up in just how often both sides of a single would chart.

Two good examples I can think of in the sixties though where planned A sides were then flipped happened in 1964. The Four Pennies #1 Juliet was originally the planned B side to Tell Me Girl, to my mind a good decision. Later in the year Sandie Shaw's Always Something...
follow up was intended to be I'd Be Far Better Off Without You but was then flipped in favour of Girl Don't Come.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 20th 1958

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 20th 1958								NME	MM	DISC	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey					65	25	40	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	When - The Kalin Twins					1	1	1	1	1	5700
2	2	Stupid Cupid / Carolina Moon - Connie Francis					2	2	2	2	2	5510
4	3	Volare - Dean Martin					3	3	3	4	3	5280
3	4	Return To Me - Dean Martin					4	4	4	3	4	5170
5	5	All I Have To Do Is Dream / Claudette - The Everly Brothers					5	5	5	6	6	4840
8	6	Poor Little Fool - Ricky Nelson					7	6	7	9	5	4665
6	7	Splish Splash - Charlie Drake					6	8	6	5	7	4600
9	8	Fever - Peggy Lee					8	7	10	7	9	4365
7	9	Endless Sleep - Marty Wilde					9	10	8	8	11	4060
15	10	Mad Passionate Love - Bernard Bresslaw					10	11	16	13	8	3775
13	11	Patricia - Perez Prado					11=	9	17	11	12	3720
12	12	Volare - Domenico Modugno					13	11	13	14	13	3510
16	13	Bird Dog - The Everly Brothers					11=	16	11	12	10	3495
10	14	Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves					14	13	12	17	16	3105
14	15	Yakkety Yak - The Coasters					15	15	9		14	2610
22	16	Girl Of My Dreams - Tony Brent					16	16	14		15	2360
NEW	17	Born Too Late - The Poni-Tails					18	19	15	20	20	2280
19	18	If Dreams Came True - Pat Boone					19	18		18	18	2145
24	19	Moon Talk - Perry Como					20	25		16	19	1710
18	20	Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy						20			17	1555
11	21	Hard Headed Woman - Elvis Presley						21	19	19		1430
21	22	Early In The Morning - Buddy Holly					17	26		10		1165
17	23	Rave On - Buddy Holly						23		15		1160
26	24	Trudie - Joe 'Mr Piano' Henderson						14				1105
28	25	Big Man - The Four Preps						22				585
25	26	Little Bernadette - Harry Belafonte						24				455
NEW	27	Volare - Marino Marini							18			325
NEW	28	The Times Are Getting Hard Boys - Lonnie Donegan							20			275
NEW	29	Move It - Cliff Richard						27				260
29	30	Wonderful Things - Frankie Vaughan						28				195
23		Who's Sorry Now - Connie Francis						29				130
20		Splish Splash - Bobby Darin						30				65
27		Think It Over - The Crickets
29		Sugar Moon - Pat Boone

[MrTibbs]

As Brian mentioned here comes Cliff charting for the first time. Little did he know at that time that his career was about to impact greatly on popular music for decades to come.

Lonnie Donegan had a remarkable gift of foresight as well as hit making capacity. He forewarns us in 1958 at #28 of the cost of living crisis looming in 2022

[Robbie]

Welcome back to the UK Brian!

'Move It' is an excellent record. The intro alone is mighty fine.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 27th 1958

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 27th 1958								NME	MM	DISC	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey					65	25	40	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
2	1	Stupid Cupid / Carolina Moon - Connie Francis					1	1	1	1	1	5700
1	2	When The Kalin Twins					2	3	2	2	2	5445
3	3	Volare - Dean Martin					3	2	3	3	3	5385
4	4	Return To Me - Dean Martin					4	4	4	7	5	4950
13	5	Bird Dog - The Everly Brothers					5	8	7	4	4	4795
6	6	Poor Little Fool - Ricky Nelson					6	6	6	5	7	4730
10	7	Mad Passionate Love - Bernard Bresslaw					8	7	11	6	6	4560
8	8	Fever - Peggy Lee					7	5	5	9	10	4480
7	9	Splish Splash - Charlie Drake					9	9	8	8	8	4305
9	10	Endless Sleep - Marty Wilde					11=	10	12	10	9	4000
5	11	All I Have To Do Is Dream / Claudette - The Everly Brothers					10	12	10	13	11	3680
17	12	Born Too Late - The Poni-Tails					11=	13	9	11	12	3660
11	13	Patricia - Perez Prado					13	11	17	12	15	3370
12	14	Volare - Domenico Mogugno					14=	14	14	15	16	3070
18	15	If Dreams Came True - Pat Boone					14=	18	13	14	14	2995
15	16	Yakkety Yak - The Coasters					16	15	15		17	2280
14	17	Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves					17	16		16	20	2235
20	18	Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy					18	21			13	1730
16	19	Girl Of My Dreams - Tony Brent						18			18	1625
29	20	Move It - Cliff Richard						20			19	1435
21	21	Hard Headed Woman - Elvis Presley						23	19	18		1340
19	22	Moon Talk - Perry Como					20	24	16	20		1270
24	23	Trudie - Joe 'Mr Piano' Henderson					19	17	18			1235
NEW	24	A Certain Smile - Johnny Mathis						22	20			860
22	25	Early In The Morning - Buddy Holly								17		560
23	26	Rave On - Buddy Holly								19		480
NEW	27	Little Star - The Elegants						25				390
NEW	28	Midnight - Paul Anka						26				325
RE	29	Everybody Loves A Lover - Doris Day						27				260
26	30	Little Bernadette - Harry Belafonte						28				195
NEW	30	Lonesome Traveller - Lonnie Donegan (B)						28				195
		Wonderful Things - Frankie Vaughan						30				65
25		Big Man - The Four Preps
27		Volare / Marino Marini
28		Times Are Getting Hard Boys - Lonnie Donegan (A)
30		Wonderful Things - Frankie Vaughan

[Robbie]

Bernard Bresslaw and Charlie Drake both inside the top 10 and Max Bygraves in the top 20 - was there something in the water in 1958? Three awful records by British comedians (though Bresslaw and Bygraves had yet to establish themselves as comedians). Bernard Bresslaw's career is the one that surprises me. I only know him as playing hapless characters in the Carry On films but he had a varied career which included writing poetry and playing an Ice Warrior in the 1967 Doctor Who story The Ice Warriors (which also featured Peter "Cleggy" Sallis). His hit here isn't his finest hour.

[Splodj]

'Bird Dog' poised for number one. Or is it?

Looking at the records not in the 'official' pantheon of number ones that topped ALL other charts pre-BMRB, and sorting by longevity, 'Bird Dog' is the 2nd worst injustice.

1. 19th Nervous Breakdown - 3/3/3
2. Bird Dog - 3/3/2
3. Please Please Me - 2/2/2
4. Ma He's Making Eyes At Me - 2/2
5. Stranger On The Shore - 2/1/1/1
6. Do You Want To Know A Secret - 2/1/1
7. Eloise - 2/1
8. A Picture Of You - 1/1/1

(Figures on the right are weeks spent at no. 1 in each non-'official' chart)

[MrTibbs]

Bernard Bresslaw and Charlie Drake both inside the top 10 and Max Bygraves in the top 20 - was there something in the water in 1958? Three awful records by British comedians (though Bresslaw and Bygraves had yet to establish themselves as comedians). Bernard Bresslaw's career is the one that surprises me. I only know him as playing hapless characters in the Carry On films but he had a varied career which included writing poetry and playing an Ice Warrior in the 1967 Doctor Who story The Ice Warriors (which also featured Peter "Cleggy" Sallis). His hit here isn't his finest hour.

Totally agree Robbie. you have seen me rant here a few times about some of the appalling records that became hits at this time and the three here you mention certainly join those ranks.

I still stand by that by some margin Jackie Dennis's La Dee Dah is the worst. The accent to a fellow Scot is so exaggerated and cringeworthy it's embarrassing to listen to.

[MrTibbs]

'Bird Dog' poised for number one. Or is it?

Looking at the records not in the 'official' pantheon of number ones that topped ALL other charts pre-BMRB, and sorting by longevity, 'Bird Dog' is the 2nd worst injustice.

1. 19th Nervous Breakdown - 3/3/3
2. Bird Dog - 3/3/2
3. Please Please Me - 2/2/2
4. Ma He's Making Eyes At Me - 2/2
5. Stranger On The Shore - 2/1/1/1
6. Do You Want To Know A Secret - 2/1/1
7. Eloise - 2/1
8. A Picture Of You - 1/1/1

(Figures on the right are weeks spent at no. 1 in each non-'official' chart)

Ah Splodj you will have to wait and see if the UAC comes good for Bird Dog

Eloise lost out solely on the basis it topped NME and MM on different weeks or it would have gone top on the UAC. It did on points if you remember but lost out on the three point rule to Hugo Montenegro.

Do You Want To Know A Secret lost out by a fraction on the UAC as although it topped 2 of the 4 charts in the same week so did From Me To You which held #1 on the basis of bigger store numbers.

All of the others went to #1 on the UAC so all in all justice was done.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 4th 1958

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 4th 1958								NME	MM	DISC	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey					65	25	40	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Stupid Cupid / Carolina Moon - Connie Francis					1	1	1	1	1	5700
3	2	Volare - Dean Martin					2	2	2	3	2	5470
2	3	When - The Kalin Twins					3	3	3	2	3	5360
5	4	Bird Dog - The Everly Brothers					4	5	4	4	4	5065
6	5	Poor Little Fool - Ricky Nelson					5	4	6	5	6	4920
7	6	Mad Passionate Love - Bernard Bresslaw					6	6	9	6	5	4735
4	7	Return To Me - Dean Martin					7	7	5	7	8	4550
NEW	8	King Creole - Elvis Presley					9=	9	10	14	7	4075
9	9	Splish Splash - Charlie Drake					9=	8	13	8	11	4065
12	10	Born Too Late - The Poni-Tails					8	11	7	10	9	4060
8	11	Fever - Peggy Lee					9=	10	8	9	13	3900
20	12	Move It - Cliff Richard					12	12	12	12	10	3730
10	13	Endless Sleep - Marty Wilde					13	16	11	11	12	3415
24	14	A Certain Smile - Johnny Mathis					14	14	14	16	15	3090
15	15	If Dreams Came True - Pat Boone					15	16	16	13	16	2970
13	16	Patricia - Perez Prado					16	13		17	19	2450
11	17	All I Have To Do Is Dream / Claudette - The Everly Brothers					17=	15		18	18	2340
14	18	Volare - Domenico Modugno					17=	22	15	19	17	2305
19	19	Girl Of My Dreams - Tony Brent					19	18	20		14	2140
22	20	Moon Talk - Perry Como						20	19	20		1455
18	21	Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy					20	24	17	15		1445
27	22	Little Star - The Elegants						29			20	790
17	23	Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves						19				780
23	24	Trudie - Joe 'Mr Piano' Henderson						20				715
RE	25	Volare - Marino Marini						26	18			650
16	26	Yakkety Yak - The Coasters						23				520
NEW	27	It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards						25				390
NEW	28	Western Movies - The Olympics						27				260
30	29	Little Bernadette - Harry Belafonte						28				195
21	30	Hard Headed Woman - Elvis Presley						30				65
25		Early In The Morning - Buddy Holly
26		Rave On - Buddy Holly
28		Midnight - Paul Anka
29		Everybody Loves A Lover - Doris Day

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 11th 1958

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 11th 1958								NME	MM	DISC	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey					65	25	40	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Stupid Cupid / Carolina Moon - Connie Francis					1	1	1	1	1	5700
2	2	Volare - Dean Martin					2	2	2	3	2	5470
3	3	When - The Kalin Twins					3	3	4	2	3	5335
8	4	King Creole - Elvis Presley					4	4	3	4	4	5155
12	5	Move It - Cliff Richard					5	5	6	5	5	4915
4	6	Bird Dog - The Everly Brothers					6	6	5	7	6	4735
10	7	Born Too Late - The Poni-Tails					7	7	7	6	7	4600
5	8	Poor Little Fool - Ricky Nelson					8	9	8	8	8	4305
6	9	Mad Passionate Love - Bernard Bresslaw					9	8	11	9	9	4195
14	10	A Certain Smile - Johnny Mathis					10=	10	10	11	10	3950
7	11	Return To Me - Dean Martin					10=	10	9	10	12	3895
25	12	Volare / Come Prima - Marino Marini					12	13	12	18	11	3365
27	13	It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards					13	13	13	19	13	3180
11	14	Fever - Peggy Lee					14	16	14	16	15	2960
28	15	Western Movies - The Olympics					15	17	16	14	16	2865
9	16	Splish Splash - Charlie Drake					16=	18	20	12	18	2660
18	17	Volare - Domenico Modugno					16=	12			14	2255
21	18	Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy					19	22		13	17	2145
15	19	If Dreams Came True - Pat Boone					18	20	15	15		1755
22	20	Little Star - The Elegants							19	20	19	1460
16	21	Patricia - Perez Prado						20			20	1375
13	22	Endless Sleep - Marty Wilde						23		17		1080
20	23	Moon Talk - Perry Como						19				780
NEW	24	Am I Wasting My Time On You - Frankie Vaughan						27	18			585
NEW	25	My True Love - Jack Scott						28	17			545
24	26	Trudie - Joe 'Mr Piano' Henderson						24				455
19	27	Girl Of My Dreams - Tony Brent						25				390
23	28	Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves						26				325
17	29	All I Have To Do Is Dream / Claudette - The Everly Brothers						29				130
NEW	30	Ginger Bread - Frankie Avalon						30				65
		Come Prima - Marino Marini						15
26		Yakkety Yak - The Coasters
29		Little Bernadette - Harry Belafonte
30		Hard Headed Woman - Elvis Presley
		Volare - Marino Marini					20

[Robbie]

Elvis and Cliff in the top 5 at the same time for the first time.

[Splodj]

King Creole was not released as a single in the USA. Elvis was in the army and on 1-Oct arrived in West Germany. RCA had one more single in the can (One Night) which, for me, was his last with that special exciting atmosphere.

[MrTibbs]

King Creole was not released as a single in the USA. Elvis was in the army and on 1-Oct arrived in West Germany. RCA had one more single in the can (One Night) which, for me, was his last with that special exciting atmosphere.

Much as I liked One Night I always preferred I Got Stung. Strangely although One Night was the designated A side NME led with I Got Stung not One Night and it was and is often referred to as a double A side.

[kjell]

We discuss hits more than artists. I use both this thread and kingofskiffle’s 70 years of hits to find interesting artists, and continue looking for other hits by these artists. Many artists perfects their styling and if you like it you can go both backwards and forwards to track other of their hits. It’s of course easier to find hits in a yearly setting than in a weekly, but this thread of Brian’s till 71 is quite usable for the years that kingofskiffle hasn’t completed yet, his 1964 of nearly a thousand pages came this week.

[Metalweb]

Elvis and Cliff in the top 5 at the same time for the first time.

Often turning up in pub quizzes: what song was a hit single for both Elvis and Cliff?

[braindeadpj]

Interesting that the BBC split Volare and Come Prima as NME did even though MM and RM didn't (note that MM listed only Volare the week before) and Disc appears to only list Come Prima.

[MrTibbs]

Interesting that the BBC split Volare and Come Prima as NME did even though MM and RM didn't (note that MM listed only Volare the week before) and Disc appears to only list Come Prima.

This was the most difficult single to date to work with on the UAC due to what you just describe David. It was split, changed, split somewhere else. This had to be down to the store returns I think joining or separating sides.

[MrTibbs]

Often turning up in pub quizzes: what song was a hit single for both Elvis and Cliff?

hmmmm, what was it metal ?

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 18th 1958

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 18th 1958								NME	MM	DISC	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey					65	25	40	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Stupid Cupid / Carolina Moon - Connie Francis					1	1	1	1	1	5700
4	2	King Creole - Evis Presley					2	2	2	4	2	5430
2	3	Volare - Dean Martin					3	3	3	3	3	5320
5	4	Move It - Cliff Richard					4	4	4	2	4	5210
7	5	Born Too Late - The Poni-Tails					5=	5	6	5	6	4855
6	6	Bird Dog - The Everly Brothers					5=	6	5	6	5	4835
3	7	When - The Kalin Twins					7	8	7	7	7	4495
10	8	A Certain Smile - Johnny Mathis					8	7	8	8	8	4435
9	9	Mad Passionate Love - Bernard Bresslaw					9	9	11	9	10	4070
8	10	Poor Little Fool - Ricky Nelson					10	11	10	10	9	3985
12	11	Come Prima / Volare - Marino Marini					11	10	9	11	11	3915
13	12	It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards					12	12	12	12	12	3610
17	13	Volare - Domenico Modugno					13	13	13	17	14	3200
15	14	Western Movies - The Olympics					15=	18	17	18	13	2795
11	15	Return To Me - Dean Martin					14	16	16	13	20	2730
21	16	Patricia - Perez Prado					18	22	18	16	16	2410
NEW	17	Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Jodie Sands					15=	14	14		17	2370
NEW	18	More Than Ever - Malcolm Vaughan					17	15	20		14	2335
18	19	Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy						19		20	19	1940
19	20	If Dreams Came True - Pat Boone						20			18	1495
23	21	Moon Talk - Perry Como					19=	23	19	15		1460
25	22	My True Love - Jack Scott					19=	20		14		1395
16	23	Splish Splash - Charlie Drake						29		19		610
14	24	Fever - Peggy Lee						28	15			595
NEW	25	Susie Darlin' - Robin Luke						24				455
24	26	Am I Wasting My Time On You - Frankie Vaughan						25				390
NEW	27	Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra						26				325
28	28	Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves						27				260
27	29	Girl Of My Dreams - Tony Brent						30				65
		Volare - Marino Marini						17
20		Little Star - The Elegants
22		Endless Sleep - Marty Wilde
26		Trudie - Joe 'Mr Piano' Henderson
29		All I Have To Do Is Dream / Claudette - The Everly Brothers
30		Ginger Bread - Frankie Avalon

[MrTibbs]

The Poni-Tails Born Too Late is a charming little song.

The Everlies are struggling, after dropping they only manage to hold on to #6 with Bird Dog. Maybe they aren't gonna make it to the top on the UAC either

[Metalweb]

hmmmm, what was it metal ?

The Twelfth Of Never!

[MrTibbs]

Ah ! I must listen to Elvis's version of that

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 25th 1958

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 25th 1958								NME	MM	DISC	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey					65	25	40	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Stupid Cupid / Carolina Moon - Connie Francis					1	1	1	1	1	5700
4	2	Move It - Cliff Richard					2	2	3	2	3	5425
2	3	King Creole - Elvis Presley					3	4	2	3	2	5340
6	4	Bird Dog - The Everly Brothers					4	5	4	5	4	5025
11	5	Come Prima / Volare - Marino Marini					5	2	8	6	6	4960
5	6	Born Too Late - The Poni-Tails					6	7	6	4	7	4705
8	7	A Certain Smile - Johnny Mathis					7	7	7	7	5	4680
12	8	It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards					8	6	9	8	9	4415
3	9	Volare - Dean Martin					9	9	5	11	8	4260
9	10	Mad Passionate Love - Bernard Bresslaw					10	11	12	9	11	3855
7	11	When - The Kalin Twins					11	15	10	10	12	3545
18	12	More Than Ever - Malcolm Vaughan					13	10	14	19	10	3530
10	13	Poor Little Fool - Ricky Nelson					12	12	11	12	14	3515
14	14	Western Movies - The Olympics					14	14	13	14	13	3315
NEW	15	Hoots Mon - Lord Rockingham's XI					15	13	15	15	15	3170
13	16	Volare - Domenico Modugno					16	17	17	20	16	2600
16	17	Patricia - Perez Prado					17	19	18	16	19	2425
17	18	Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Jodie Sands					19	18	20		17	1960
15	19	Return To Me - Dean Martin					18	24	16	17		1390
19	20	Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy						20			20	1375
22	21	My True Love - Jack Scott					20	25		13		1110
21	22	Moon Talk - Perry Como						22		18		1105
27	23	Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra						27			18	1040
20	24	If Dreams Came True - Pat Boone						21	19			950
RE	25	Trudie - Joe 'Mr Piano' Henderson						23				520
25	26	Susie Darlin' - Robin Luke						25				390
NEW	27	Volare - Charlie Drake						28				195
24	28	Fever - Peggy Lee						29				130
NEW	29	More Than Ever - Robert Earl						30				65
		Volare - Marino Marini						16
23		Splish Splash - Charlie Drake
26		Am I Wasting My Time On You - Frankie Vaughan
28		Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves
29		Girl Of My Dreams - Tony Brent