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  • MrTibbs
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    LMAO at the thought of seeing Splodge, Bob, or Robbie' faces if their guesses were correct. I'm tempted to fix those charts lol. But no it is The Monkees. Spot on Metal first guess.

    Bob as a follower could u oblige and go to my first page and first post here and click the 'Like tab. Cheers.

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  • Splodj
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    I'll also go for 'Alternate Title'.

    I can still remember the shock of opening up Disc and seeing Harry Secombe at number one, and I don't think I could take that again!

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  • BobPatience
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    Tom Jones "I'll Never Fall in Love Again".

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  • Metalweb
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    The Monkees' "Alternate Title"?

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  • Robbie
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    Not an Engelbert record by any chance? The one that didn't get to number 1 on the RR chart?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Just to whet ur appetite guys

    There is a surprise #1 coming up in this year's Ultimate Average Chart later on.

    Any guesses ?

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  • Graham76man
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    Well sometimes I'm as thick as two peas in a pod, but afterall this time I finally worked out how Brian gets the points all thanks to the bottom of the 25 March chart!
    He uses the number of chart shops then multiplies the figure for each chart position.
    So I got that a 30 on NME is 200 points, 250 on Melody Maker and so on. What I couldn't work out why Sandy Posey had so many points with Record Retailer having just 85 stores! But then it dawned on me, she was three places higher, so he tripled RR to give those points!
    Personally I would have given her 85 plus 3! But that's just me.
    So you probably could get a different chart using a system of store numbers plus 30 points!

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  • Splodj
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    ... but at 3 in the BBC chart. And that is because the BBC is back into tie-breaker mode - breaking ties at 3, 6 and 18.

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  • Robbie
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    What a strange top 4. It's almost like The Beatles and the beat group explosion of 1963 - 1966 never happened. Thankfully The Beatles are at number 5 to remind us that it did happen.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Off to work I go. But.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 25th 1967. Enjoy !

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 25th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    4 2 Edelweiss - Vince Hill 2 2 2 6 2 18015
    3 3 This Is My Song - Petula Clark 4 3 5 4 4 17095
    10 4 This Is My Song - Harry Secombe 5 4 3 3 9 17070
    2 5 Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles 3 5 4 2 5 17060
    7 6 Georgy Girl - The Seekers 6 8 6 9 3 15430
    5 7 On A Carousel - The Hollies 7 6 8 5 7 15390
    18 8 Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set 8 7 7 7 6 15325
    20 9 I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith 9 10 9 8 8 13955
    6 10 There's A Kind Of Hush - Herman's Hermits 10 9 11 12 10 13085
    25 11 Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw 12 11 10 10 16 12625
    9 12 Detroit City - Tom Jones 11 12 12 11 11 12250
    14 13 Give It To Me - The Troggs 14 16 14 14 15 10310
    8 14 Here Comes My Baby - The Tremeloes 13 15 16 13 13 10280
    11 15 Snoopy vs The Red Baron - The Royal Guardsmen 15 14 17 15 14 9945
    16 16 Memories Are Made Of This - Val Doonican 16 17 15 20 12 9515
    15 17 I'll Try Anything - Dusty Springfield 17 18 13 18 18 9505
    NEW 18 Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra 18 13 20 17 25 8260
    19 19 Love Is Here And Now You're Gone - The Supremes 19 22 18 16 19 7570
    12 20 I'm A Believer - The Monkees 20 22 19 19 17 7190
    13 21 Peek-A-Boo - The New Vaudeville Band 21 19 23 25 20 5935
    NEW 22 It's All Over - Cliff Richard 23 20 24 23 24 5345
    23 23 Al Capone - Prince Buster 22 25 22 21 21 5300
    24 24 Touch Me, Touch Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 24 24 21 26 22 5165
    17 25 Mellow Yellow - Donovan 25 27 26 24 27 3090
    29 26 I Can't Make It - The Small Faces 27 21 27 3000
    NEW 27 Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd 29= 26 28 30 29 2020
    22 28 It Takes Two - Marvin Gaye and Kim Weston 26 28 29 27 26 1925
    27 29 Keep It Out Of Sight - Paul and Barry Ryan 25 29 1700
    26 30 Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye - The Casinos 28 29 22 30 1385
    I Won't Come In While He's There - Jim Reeves 29= 28 23 980
    Single Girl - Sandy Posey 28 255
    Trafalgar Square - The Good Time Losers 30 250
    Gonna Get Along Without You Now - Trini Lopez 30 200

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  • MrTibbs
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    Thanks for following them Brain. Lots more to come and I really enjoy compiling these charts and getting some surprises myself when I see them.

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  • braindeadpj
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    Thank you for all the hard work you do in generating this thread and the Ultimate Averaged Chart. Your work is greatly appreciated. I'm glad you decided to continue as I look forward to reading this thread -comments and all - every day. You are creating the best chart out of what is available.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    In comes Whistling Jack Smith, and I wish I had money for every time I heard that tune whistled back in the day.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 18th 1967. Enjoy !

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 18th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck 1 1 2 1 1 18800
    2 2 Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles 2 2 1 2 2 18665
    3 3 This Is My Song - Petula Clark 3 3 4 3 3 17530
    5 4 Edelweiss - Vince Hill 4 4 3 4 5 17310
    4 5 On A Carousel - The Hollies 5 5 6 5 4 16345
    8 6 There's A Kind Of Hush - Herman's Hermits 6 6 7 7 7 15440
    10 7 Georgy Girl - The Seekers 7 8 8 9 6 14675
    6 8 Here Comes My Baby - The Tremeloes 8 7 9 6 9 14670
    7 9 Detroit City - Tom Jones 9 10 5 11 8 14655
    16 10 This Is My Song - Harry Secombe 10 9 10 8 11 13650
    9 11 Snoopy vs The Red Baron - The Royal Guardsmen 11 11 11 12 10 12685
    11 12 I'm A Believer - The Monkees 12 14 13 10 14 11445
    13 13 Peek-A-Boo - The New Vaudeville Band 14 13 14 14 15 10910
    15 14 Give It To Me - The Troggs 13 18 12 13 12 10765
    19 15 I'll Try Anything - Dusty Springfield 15 17 15 15 13 9930
    20 16 Memories Are Made Of This - Val Doonican 16 12 16 21 16 9825
    12 17 Mellow Yellow - Donovan 17 19 17 17 17 8490
    27 18 Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set 18 14 18 23 20 8385
    22 19 Love Is Here And Now You're Gone - The Supremes 20 21 19 16 22 7265
    NEW 20 I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith 19 16 23 20 18 7205
    14 21 I Won't Come In While He's There - Jim Reeves 22 20 21 22 21 6450
    17 22 It Takes Two - Marvin Gaye and Kim Weston 21 23 22 18 19 6170
    23 23 Al Capone - Prince Buster 23 28 20 19 24 5145
    NEW 24 Touch Me, Touch Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 24 24 25 26 25 3910
    NEW 25 Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw 25 22 28 24 27 3590
    RE 26 Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye - The Casinos 26 25 26 30 28 2805
    30 27 Keep It Out Of Sight - Paul and Barry Ryan 29 24 30 1835
    18 28 Let's Spend The Night Together / Ruby Tuesday - The Rolling Stones 28 27 25 29 1770
    29 29 I Can't Make It - The Small Faces 27 29 29 27 26 1725
    NEW 30 Just What You Want - John's Children 26 1000
    Run To The Door - Clinton Ford 27 800
    Single Girl - Sandy Posey 30 23 680
    Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd 28 300
    Let Me Cry On Your Shoulder - Ken Dodd 30 250
    I've Passed This Way Before - Jimmy Ruffin 30 200
    In The Cold Light Of Day - Gene Pitney 29 200
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri October 9, 2020, 20:26.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Thanks for that Gambo. It's all you guys who are consistently following the charts here that have spurred me on to continue.

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  • Gambo
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Guys, Can I ask, to give me an idea just how many guys are following the Ultimate Averaged Chart could you look back to my very first post on this thread on Page 1 and click the 'Like' tab. Thanks.
    Done. I think this work is tremendous, and I'm increasingly moving towards the idea that on balance, adopting this averaged-out chart using the best of what limited sources were available and however flawed, with its consistent and sensible methodology, would be the most 'reliable' chart of record for the 1960s and ideally would be used retrospectively, though of course as it didn't exist contemporaneously, that could never be considered. It definitely helps to iron-out some of the obvious inadequacies of each paper's tabulations (and the Beeb's averaged efforts) while presenting what look to be pretty credible rankings for most entries within its Top 30 positions. You seem to have resolved for now to continue posting, but it would've been a shame if you'd stopped sharing because of the somewhat heated debates that your charts inevitably spin-off. Please do press on in the safe knowledge that anyone regularly visiting this thread has an interest and will appreciate the ardour that goes into its compilation, including the few who have been critical!

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  • brian05
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    The only chart to have Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Forever at number one. A great injustice indeed.



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  • MrTibbs
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    Guys, Can I ask, to give me an idea just how many guys are following the Ultimate Averaged Chart could you look back to my very first post on this thread on Page 1 and click the 'Like' tab. Thanks.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 11th 1967. Enjoy !

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 11th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck 1 1 2 1 1 18800
    2 2 Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles 2 2 1 2 2 18665
    3 3 This Is My Song - Petula Clark 3 3 4 3 3 17530
    5 4 On A Carousel - The Hollies 4 6 3 4 5 16910
    6 5 Edelweiss - Vince Hill 5 5 5 5 4 16595
    4 6 Here Comes My Baby - The Tremeloes 6 4 7 6 6 16025
    11 7 Detroit City - Tom Jones 7 7 6 8 11 15050
    12 8 There's A Kind Of Hush - Herman's Hermits 8= 9 8 10 8 14205
    7 9 Snoopy vs The Red Baron - The Royal Guardsmen 8= 8 10 7 10 14035
    16 10 Georgy Girl - The Seekers 11 10 9 11 12 13315
    8 11 I'm A Believer - The Monkees 10 11 12 9 7 12990
    9 12 Mellow Yellow - Donovan 12 12 11 13 9 12470
    10 13 Peek-A-Boo - The New Vaudeville Band 13 13 13 12 13 11530
    15 14 I Won't Come In While He's There - Jim Reeves 15 16 14 16 15 10110
    18 15 Give It To Me - The Troggs 14 15 16 14 14 10095
    28 16 This Is My Song - Harry Secombe 16 14 15 17 17 9990
    14 17 It Takes Two - Marvin Gaye and Kim Weston 17 17 17 15 16 9175
    13 18 Let's Spend The Night Together / Ruby Tuesday - The Rolling Stones 18 19 18 20 18 7855
    25 19 I'll Try Anything - Dusty Springfield 19 20 20 18 20 7185
    NEW 20 Memories Are Made Of This - Val Doonican 20 18 19 27 21 6850
    21 21 Single Girl - Sandy Posey 21 23 23 25 19 5220
    NEW 22 Love Is Here And Now You're Gone - The Supremes 22 24 26 19 24 4445
    NEW 23 Al Capone - Prince Buster 23 22 22 27 3490
    17 24 Matthew And Son - Cat Stevens 24 21 29 22 3465
    22 25 Let Me Cry On Your Shoulder - Ken Dodd 25 28 24 30 23 3130
    19 26 Sugar Town - Nancy Sinatra 27= 27 25 25 2810
    NEW 27 Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set 26 22 23 2600
    24 28 I've Passed This Way Before - Jimmy Ruffin 27= 25 29 24 30 2485
    NEW 29 I Can't Make It - The Small Faces 30 21 2000
    NEW 30 Keep It Out Of Sight - Paul and Barry Ryan 28 28 1050
    Run To The Door - Clinton Ford 26 1000
    I've Been A Bad Bad Boy - Paul Jones 27 1000
    Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye - The Casinos 29 21 1000
    I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith 30 26 29 870
    Stay With Me Baby - The Walker Brothers 29 26 825
    Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones 28 255
    The Beat Goes On - Sonny and Cher 30 250
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri October 9, 2020, 20:28.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Guys, Today is another day and on seeing the level of support and encouragement from your posts above, messages and emails, I feel obliged to continue. I focused on something that was unimportant and reacted to this but now in the cold light of day I've decided your support and views and those of the many others who follow this thread are much more important to me. So lets go !

    I'll post 2 charts today, the one I would have posted from yesterday and later today the one for today.

    United We Stand ! Brian.

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  • BrainDamageII
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    MrTibbs It would be a shame if you didn't complete and share your project. I, for one, really enjoy reading your posts. Many people like to share their thoughts and ideas on the subject and I believe everyone would have loved a truly unbiased and accurate chart from the time but you can't change history. We can only work with what was published at the time. What you are achieving with these charts is great and more importantly for me, bringing these songs back into my consciousness. If anything, it's the current charts that are manipulated in many ways.

    On a slightly different note, did you ever collect Record Mirror chart scans beyond 1955. The ones I'm interested in are for the album charts up to March 1962.

    Anyway, I'd love you to keep posting you do what you think best.

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  • kjell
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    Yeah Metalweb, that’s a dead cert.

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  • Metalweb
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    ^

    Agreed, please carry on.

    There's no controversy or confrontation as far as most of us are concerned!
    Last edited by Metalweb; Wed October 7, 2020, 00:22.

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  • Borobear
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    Originally posted by kjell View Post
    A real pity, your Average is the only thread I follow daily.
    Same here, I look forward to new charts being posted daily. Please reconsider

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  • Robbie
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    I'd like you to keep posting your charts. This is a great thread. It's very interesting and very unique.

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  • brian05
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    Please reconsider MrTibbs and continue to publish your charts. They are very interesting to view.

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