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  • Splodj
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    I understand what you are saying, Graham, about the 'survey period' week. But to avoid confusion it should be clarified that had you listened to Pick Of The Pops between 4pm and 5pm UK time on Sunday 23rd October 1966 you would indeed have heard the BBC chart that Brian has listed as being week ending 22-Oct.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by ACA View Post
    I was waiting for your publication of the 22nd October 1966 with great interest, as that was the date when I started writing down the British Top 20 from radio listening in a notebook(must have been BBC 1). Actually, I have dated it the 23rd October as it must have been broadcast on Sundays. (initially from 5 to 6pm, that may have been 4 to 5pm british time).
    I realize that your BBC charts are based on the 'Top of The Pops' charts, but I was surprised to note that the BBC radio charts that I copied, at least at that time, were based on the NME charts!
    The dating system does confuse people. But if you were listening to the radio on the 23 October, you would not have heard the week ending 22 October chart. The problem is that it took several days to compile the charts, even when the BMRB took over in 1969. And the week ending chart for the 22 would not be available till Tuesday 25 October. By the 70's Radio One would announce the chart around lunchtime on Tuesday. With the Music Press publishing the 22 chart on Thursday 27 October, with TOTP using the chart on the same day.
    What you were listening too on the 23, was the week ending 15 October chart!
    That system was in operation till the BBC's rival - The Network Chart started doing a faster version of the chart. This meant that the new records would be in the Network Chart a week earlier than the BBC top 40, though when the next chart came out on Tuesday the new entries had sold more. So a Network Chart entry might be say 30, but the full sales on the BBC chart would have at 15. The papers carrying the Network Chart however would not benefit from the faster chart. As the BBC chart would be out in all the other papers covering the same week, just more of it!
    However the BBC put pressure on Gallup to bring out the chart for Sunday and they did. Making the Chart up-to-date.

    The system was a nightmare for the Top of The People booking acts. When the chart came out Tuesday they could then see who was climbing and new. But they had only a day and a half to book the acts and do rehearsals to get the show ready for Thursday. Since they couldn't book an act that was falling down the charts, this caused problems. Especially if an act looked set to rise and then didn't! The TOTP dancers spent lots of time doing numbers for records that were then cancelled come Tuesday afternoon! This might explain why some of the routines were a bit naff. They had only a day to come up with something that was hard to dance too anyway!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Hi ACA. Firstly thanks for following my chart threads, the RM mid fifties thread and now here at The Ultimate Averaged Chart, and thanks too for your words of support as it really is appreciated.

    So, to the charts. I can actually confirm to you that the BBC's own charts were actually broadcast on Top Of The Pops on TV and also on BBC radio including Pick Of The Pops on Sundays which you refer to until February 1969 when they started to use the newly compiled BMRB chart and discontinued compiling their own.

    At no time did the BBC ever use the NME chart, or any other individual music paper chart. The BBC compiled their own chart by averaging out the music paper charts. I think what you might be referring to is Radio Luxembourg because they used the NME chart for the majority of the sixties including their Top 20 show on a Sunday night.

    I hope this info clears the confusion up for you, and please continue to enjoy the thread and make any further comments you wish to offer.

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  • ACA
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    Brian, I have been following your efforts with great interest since you started reconstructing the Record Mirror charts from the mid 50's. I have been very busy on other projects, so really haven't found the time to react to your huge work here. It's really admirable!

    I was waiting for your publication of the 22nd October 1966 with great interest, as that was the date when I started writing down the British Top 20 from radio listening in a notebook(must have been BBC 1). Actually, I have dated it the 23rd October as it must have been broadcast on Sundays. (initially from 5 to 6pm, that may have been 4 to 5pm british time).
    I realize that your BBC charts are based on the 'Top of The Pops' charts, but I was surprised to note that the BBC radio charts that I copied, at least at that time, were based on the NME charts!
    So the BBC obviously used their own charts for TV, but the NME charts for radio. It puzzles me a bit as I have seen more contributors to this thread stating that the BBC indeed made their own charts, not to favour any of the magazine charts published at that time.
    Any idea why radio used the NME charts? Maybe they were the most topical issue?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 29th October 1966 for your interest.

    I don't know how the BBC get the joint No 2 between The Troggs and Jim Reeves as there is a 4 point difference between them !
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 29th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    4 2 I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs 2 3 2 2 2 18215
    2 3 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 3 2 5 3 3 17480
    9 4 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 4 4 3 5 4 17295
    3 5 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 5 5 4 4 5 16860
    6 6 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 6 6 6 6 7 15790
    5 7 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 7 7 7 7 6 15325
    14 8 No Milk Today - Herman's Hermits 8 10 8 9 9 14020
    7 9 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows - The Rolling Stones 9 8 11 8 10 13685
    8 10 I'm A Boy - The Who 10 11 9 11 8 13455
    18 11 Time Drags By - Cliff Richard 11 9 10 12 13 13080
    15 12 I've Got You Under My Skin - The Four Seasons 12 12 12 10 14 12095
    10 13 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 13 14 13 13 11 11400
    11 14 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 14 13 14 15 12 11065
    25 15 High Time - Paul Jones 15 15 15 17 15 9960
    27 16 If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 16 17 17 18 18 8705
    28 17 A Fool Am I - Cilla Black 17 16 18 14 23 8630
    12 18 Sunny - Georgie Fame 18 22 16 16 19 8070
    23 19 Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations 20 20 19 21 21 7050
    17 20 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 19 18 22 19 20 6985
    16 21 Walk With Me - The Seekers 22 19 23 26 16 6175
    19 22 Lady Godiva - Peter and Gordon 21 25 21 20 17 5990
    22 23 All That I Am - Elvis Presley 23 23 20 23 22 5915
    26 24 Born A Woman - Sandy Posey 25 24 24 28 25 3960
    13 25 Little Man - Sonny and Cher 24 25 26 24 24 3745
    NEW 26 Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann 27 21 28 27 3150
    21 27 I Don't Care - Los Bravos 26 28 27 22 27 2840
    20 28 Another Tear Falls - The Walker Brothers 28 25 25 26 2525
    NEW 29 Wrapping Paper - Cream 29 27 29 29 1500
    30 30 I Love My Dog - Cat Stevens 30 29 30 29 820
    Dear Mrs. Applebee - David Garrick 28 255
    Help Me Girl - Eric Burdon and The Animals 30 200
    A Love Like Yours - Ike and Tina Turner 30 200
    I Can't Make It Alone - P J Proby 30 100
    Somewhere My Love - Mike Sammes Singers 30 85
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Wed September 23, 2020, 17:36.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 22nd October 1966 for your interest.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 22nd 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    15 1 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 1 2 1 1 2 18765
    1 2 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 2 1 3 2 1 18450
    4 3 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 4 4 2 4 6 17475
    6 4 I Can't Control Myself - the Troggs 3 3 4 3 4 17445
    3 5 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 5 5 8 5 3 15930
    7 6 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 6= 7 5 7 7 15740
    5 7 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows - The Rolling Stones 6= 6 6 6 8 15705
    2 8 I'm A Boy - The Who 8 8 7 8 5 15110
    21 9 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 9 9 10 9 10 13635
    9 10 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 11 11 9 10 11 13300
    8 11 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 10 10 11 11 9 13070
    11 12 Sunny - Georgie Fame 12 13 12 12 14 11695
    10 13 Little Man - Sonny and Cher 13 12 13 14 13 11530
    20 14 No Milk Today - Herman's Hermits 14 14 16 15 17 9940
    19 15 I've Got You Under My Skin - The Four Seasons 16 17 15 13 20 9535
    13 16 Walk With Me - The Seekers 15 19 14 19 12 9465
    12 17 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 17 15 19 18 15 8860
    NEW 18 Time Drags By - Cliff Richard 20 16 18 21 21 8100
    18 19 Lady Godiva - Peter and Gordon 19 20 17 20 16 8075
    14 20 Another Tear Falls - The Walker Brothers 18 18 20 16 18 7955
    17 21 I Don't Care - Los Bravos 21 22 21 17 19 6720
    29 22 All That I Am - Elvis Presley 22 23 24 22 26 4675
    NEW 23 Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations 23 26 22 23 25 4560
    16 24 Sunny - Bobby Hebb 24 29 23 24 22 3865
    28 25 High Time - Paul Jones 25 21 25 30 28 3855
    23 26 Born A Woman - Sandy Posey 26 27 26 27 24 3045
    NEW 27 If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 27 24 29 25 29 2670
    NEW 28 A Fool Am I - Cilla Black 29 25 28 28 2250
    24 29 Dear Mrs. Applebee - David Garrick 28 30 27 23 1880
    NEW 30 I Love My Dog - Cat Stevens 28 30 850
    Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 30 26 27 840
    Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby - The Beatles 29 30 285

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 15th October 1966 for your interest.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 15th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 1 1 2 1 1 18800
    2 2 I'm A Boy - The Who 3 3 1 5 3 18080
    3 3 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 2 2 4 3 2 17815
    7 4 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 4 4 3 4 4 17395
    5 5 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows - The Rolling Stones 5 5 5 2 5 16810
    17 6 I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs 6 6 8 6 9 15120
    11 7 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 7 8 6 10 7 14990
    4 8 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 8 7 10 8 6 14475
    8 9 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 9 10 7 7 10 14385
    6 10 Little Man - Sonny and Cher 10 9 9 9 8 14055
    14 11 Sunny - Georgie Fame 11 12 11 13 13 12130
    9 12 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 12 13 12 11 14 11795
    10 13 Walk With Me - The Seekers 13 14 13 12 11 11500
    13 14 Another Tear Falls - The Walker Brothers 14 17 14 14 12 10365
    NEW 15 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 16 10 18 16 19 9970
    12 16 Sunny - Bobby Hebb 15 15 16 15 15 9910
    18 17 I Don't Care - Los Bravos 17 18 15 18 17 9090
    20 18 Lady Godiva - Peter and Gordon 18 20 17 20 16 8075
    24 19 I've Got You Under My Skin - The Four Seasons 19 19 21 17 18 7405
    NEW 20 No Milk Today - Herman's Hermits 20 21 20 19 20 6885
    NEW 21 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 22 16 22 23 27 6390
    16 22 Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby - The Beatles 21 27 19 22 26 5125
    28 23 Born A Woman - Sandy Posey 23 26 24 21 28 4005
    29 24 Dear Mrs. Applebee - David Garrick 24 28 23 28 22 3665
    15 25 All Or Nothing - The Small Faces 25 25 24 21 3050
    NEW 26 Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 26 23 28 26 30 2935
    19 27 Working In The Coal Mine - Lee Dorsey 27 26 29 24 2045
    NEW 28 High Time - Paul Jones* 22 1800
    NEW 29 All That I Am - Elvis Presley 28 25 25 1800
    25 30 God Only Knows - The Beach Boys 30 27 25 1510
    *Although points are tied Paul Jones is awarded the higher position as he holds the higher place in the chart with most samples, in this case the NME.
    Time Drags By - Cliff Richard 24 30 1500
    When I Come Home - The Spencer Davis Group 29 29 23 1180
    Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations 29 30 27 1050
    If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 30 200
    Land Of 1,000 Dances - Wilson Pickett 29 170

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  • Graham76man
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    Averaging out charts that use the same method of compilation is fine, but since the BMRB chart is actually using genuine sales and the others are not and still using the old method, then you are giving weight to records that might not be selling well. Since I have now started compiling charts for the 1970 period I have been looking at both the BMRB chart and the NME charts at the same time. And you can clearly see the huge difference between BMRB sales chart and NME points chart. With in my opinion the BMRB chart being much more on the ball. Personally I wouldn't put much credence in a chart that had a sales and points methods of compilation. Too me it would be nearly as bad as trying to make streams into record sales, which is what the current Official Chart does (which I nicknamed the Offal Chart as a result).

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  • kjell
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    I’m not against going back to Sep 55, especially not if there are undisclosed RM dealers returns between then and Mar 56. I thought of Mar 56 because that coincided with the start of MM and and it’s only a few weeks prior to NME’s top 30.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah guys here is my plan.

    Once I reach February 1969 when the BMRB took over I plan on going back to start from 1960 to 1963. My Ultimate Averaged Charts will differ even more than the BBC charts of that time for the following reasons.

    From 21st May 1960 the BBC chart did not include the RM chart because of a change in RM's compilation date meaning it did not arrive in time to be included in the BBC compilation, so only NME, MM, Disc were used until March 1962.
    In March 1962 RM stopped compiling their own chart and started using RR so from that date the BBC now also included RR in their compilation.

    This effectively means that between May 1960 and March 1962 I will be adding the missing RM charts mentioned above but also from March 1960 will also be adding the RR chart also not used until aforementioned March 1962 so The Ultimate Averaged Chart will be scoring a first here.

    On completion of this guys I then intend going back further to at least March 1956 and the first MM chart until 1959, and possibly even further back to September 1955 and the first RM Top 20. I say possibly and this is where you can give me your thoughts guys. Using just NME and RM between September 55 and March 56 is more difficult as it was just the two charts and from what I can gather both were sampling around the same number of shops so the number of tied positions would increase greatly, and how would these then be broken down. Possibly by taking the highest ranking song from the Sheet Music Chart ? Over to you ?

    Then when I have completed 55/56 to Feb 69, I thought I might continue averaging from Feb 69 to after the postal strike in March 1971. It was only really after this date that the BMRB chart was widely accepted and until then NME and MM were still considered as important as BMRB. Again your thoughts on this would be most welcome. Again over to you ?

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  • Splodj
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    BBC mistakes were particularly prevalent in the 21-30 section of their chart, but bear in mind that this was only for internal use; POTP and TOTP presented only a Top 20. A 'new entry' was an entry into the 20, regardless of whether it had been in the 21-30 section before.

    There has been some discussion here about whether the first BBC Top 20 was on Sunday 30-Mar-58 or the week before. It is clear from the online Light Programme schedule that the programme format changed on 30-Mar-58. So I think there is a similar 'internal use' explanation, that they probably unofficially compiled a chart the week before so that they had the previous week's positions when the Top 20 started.

    Also, since Sunday 29-Sep-57 they had been presenting a Top 3 chart so I expect there were unofficial calculations of positions below that down to at least 10.

    Before 29-Sep-57 POTP featured only new releases, although the Radio Times is confusing because it talks about a Top 3. But this was where they invited listeners to vote for their favourite new release and the Top 3 voted for were announced the following week.

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  • Graham76man
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    Yes that would be good to do, as apart from errors and too many tied slots, the 60's BBC chart was already available. Next project Brian!

  • kjell
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    Your parallel setup of competing charts has proved to be at least as interesting as your correction of the Averaged chart. Are you contemplating doing this even before BBC started theirs? I’m thinking of Mar 56 when MM’s chart commenced in addition to NME and RM.

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  • MrTibbs
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    It never ceases to amaze me how often the BBC gets tallies wrong for their chart and doesn't pick up on it. Having all the charts in one place in front of me makes it easy to see this, where they award chart positions yet the points total doesn't justify this in comparison to the record directly above or below. Poor or no double checking took place obviously.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Ready for the next one ?

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 8th October 1966 for your interest.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 8th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 1 1 2 1 1 18800
    2 2 I'm A Boy - The Who 2 2 1 2 3 18580
    5 3 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 3 3 3 3 2 17865
    3 4 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 4 4 5 4 4 16895
    16 5 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows - The Rolling Stones 5 7 4 5 7 16190
    4 6 Little Man - Sonny and Cher 6 6 6 6 5 15960
    9 7 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 7 5 7 7 6 15725
    8 8 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 8 9 8 8 9 14320
    6 9 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 9 8 11 9 8 13755
    10 10 Walk With Me - The Seekers 10= 10 9 12 11 13300
    17 11 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 10= 12 10 10 10 12935
    12 12 Sunny - Bobby Hebb 12 11 12 11 12 12365
    21 13 Another Tear Falls - The Walker Brothers 13 13 14 13 14 11095
    20 14 Sunny - Georgie Fame 14 14 13 16 15 10760
    7 15 All Or Nothing - The Small Faces 15 15 15 15 13 10330
    11 16 Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby - The Beatles 18 19 16 17 18 8655
    NEW 17 I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs 16= 16 18 19 17 8640
    23 18 I Don't Care - Los Bravos 16= 17 19 18 16 8375
    13 19 Working In The Coal Mine - Lee Dorsey 19 24 17 14 19 7620
    26 20 Lady Godiva - Peter and Gordon 20 18 22 20 24 6545
    19 21 When I Come Home - The Spencer Davis Group 21 21 23 22 20 5835
    14 22 Got To Get You Into My Life - Cliff Bennett and The Rebel Rousers 23 25 21 21 23 5380
    18 23 Lovers Of The World Unite - David and Jonathan 22 22 24 25 22 4915
    NEW 24 I've Got You Under My Skin - The Four Seasons 25 20 26 23 29 4420
    15 25 God Only Knows - The Beach Boys 24 20 24 21 4300
    22 26 Ashes To Ashes - The Mindbenders 27 25 28 26 2225
    NEW 27 Sunny - Cher 29 27 27 29 2000
    NEW 28 Born A Woman - Sandy Posey 30 22 1800
    NEW 29 Dear Mrs. Applebee - David Garrick 26 29 28 27 1490
    RE 30 I Can't Turn You Loose - Otis Redding 26 27 1400
    Land Of 1,000 Dances - Wilson Pickett 28 26 25 1010
    Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 28 30 28 955
    Mama - Dave Berry 29 30 585
    Somewhere My Love - Manuel and The Music Of The Mountains 30 250
    Summer Wind - Frank Sinatra 30 200

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  • MrTibbs
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    Don't be fooled into a sense of false security Bob, RR will soon go off the rails again lol

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  • BobPatience
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    So close to a 'perfect' top 5. And it probably has happened before, but this is the first time I have noticed that a magazine top 30 (in this case RR) got all 30 records on the ultimate chart 'correct'. And lastly, that Stones title must have been one of the longest song titles of its time.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Just in from work again hence why running late.

    I will never hear Guantanamera quite the same ever again after the comments above

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 1st October 1966. Enjoy.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 1st 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    4 2 I'm A Boy - The Who 2 2 2 2 2 18415
    5 3 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 3 3 3 3 3 17780
    7 4 Little Man - Sonny and Cher 4 4 4 4 4 17145
    12 5 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 5 5 5 5 6 16425
    3 6 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 6 6 6 7 5 15860
    2 7 All Or Nothing - The Small Faces 7 7 7 6 8 15255
    17 8 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 8 8 8 8 11 14350
    20 9 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 9 9 11 11 7 13440
    15 10 Walk With Me - The Seekers 11 12 9 12 10 12985
    6 11 Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby - The Beatles 10 13 10 9 9 12920
    16 12 Sunny - Bobby Hebb 12 11 12 14 14 11895
    9 13 Working In The Coal Mine - Lee Dorsey 13 14 14 10 13 11280
    10 14 Got To Get You Into My Life - Cliff Bennett and The Rebel Rousers 14 15 17 13 15 9860
    8 15 God Only Knows - The Beach Boys 15 19 13 15 16 9775
    NEW 16 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows - The Rolling Stones 16 10 18 20 17 9740
    30 17 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 18 17 16 17 18 9055
    11 18 Lovers Of The World Unite - David and Jonathan 17 23 15 16 12 8715
    13 19 When I Come Home - The Spencer Davis Group 19 16 19 21 19 8020
    NEW 20 Sunny - Georgie Fame 22 20 20 22 22 6615
    NEW 21 Another Tear Falls - The Walker Brothers 20 18 23 18 23 6580
    14 22 Ashes To Ashes - The Mindbenders 21 22 22 19 20 6185
    25 23 I Don't Care - Los Bravos 23 21 21 23 21 6150
    19 24 Mama - Dave Berry 24 25 24 24 25 4160
    23 25 Land Of 1,000 Dances - Wilson Pickett 25 26 28 27 24 2745
    NEW 26 Lady Godiva - Peter and Gordon 27 23 29 30 30 2285
    21 27 They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa ! - Napoleon XIV 26 26 26 27 2090
    18 28 Just Like A Woman - Manfred Mann 28 25 29 28 1955
    22 29 More Than Love - Ken Dodd 30 28 27 29 1770
    27 30 How Sweet It Is - Junior Walker and The All Stars 29 25 26 1025
    In The Arms Of Love - Andy Williams 27 800
    I Can't Turn You Loose - Otis Redding 30 30 28 750
    Dear Mrs. Applebee - David Garrick 28 600

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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
    Guantanamera - The Sandpipers
    I always used to sing "One ton of manure" to this song!
    Also known as "One Ton Tomato":

    One ton tomato,
    I'll eat a one ton tomato,
    One ton tomat-oh
    I'll eat a one ton tomat-oh...

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  • Metalweb
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    Too Soon To Know was - extraordinary to realise - the only substantial hit Roy Orbison had between '64 and '89.

    Although not specifically about the recent death of his wife Claudette, the lyrics ("too soon to know....if I can forget her...") were poignant....

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  • Graham76man
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    Guantanamera - The Sandpipers
    I always used to sing "One ton of manure" to this song!

    The Sonny and Cher song was used a few years ago for an Amazon advert - the one with the little horse!

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  • Robbie
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    A posthumous number 1 for Jim Reeves, some 2+ years after his death in a plane crash. At the time he was the third act to have a posthumous number 1, following Buddy Holly ('It Doesn't Matter Anymore') and Eddie Cochran ('Three Steps To Heaven').

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 24th September 1966. Enjoy.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 24th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    1 2 All Or Nothing - The Small Faces 2 2 2 2 2 18415
    4 3 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 3 3 3 5 3 17580
    9 4 I'm A Boy - The Who 4 4 4 3 4 17245
    11 5 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 6 5 6 6 7 15990
    2 6 Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby - The Beatles 7 7 5 7 5 15910
    12 7 Little Man - Sonny and Cher 5 6 7 4 6 15825
    5 8 God Only Knows - The Beach Boys 8 10 8 9 8 14105
    7 9 Working In The Coal Mine - Lee Dorsey 10 8 9 10 10 13985
    6 10 Got To Get You Into My Life - Cliff Bennett and The Rebel Rousers 9 9 10 8 9 13820
    8 11 Lovers Of The World Unite - David and Jonathan 11 12 11 11 11 12500
    NEW 12 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 12 11 13 12 13 11930
    17 13 When I Come Home - The Spencer Davis Group 13 14 14 17 12 10665
    19 14 Ashes To Ashes - The Mindbenders 14 16 15 14 14 10145
    20 15 Walk With Me - The Seekers 15= 18 12 19 17 9740
    23 16 Sunny - Bobby Hebb 17 13 16 20 21 9300
    NEW 17 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 15= 15 19 13 19 9020
    13 18 Just Like A Woman - Manfred Mann 20 19 18 18 20 7885
    14 19 Mama - Dave Berry 18 20 21 15 15 7660
    29 20 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 19 17 22 16 18 7655
    10 21 They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa ! - Napoleon XIV 21 24 17 21 16 7175
    18 22 More Than Love - Ken Dodd 22 27 20 23 23 5030
    26 23 Land Of 1'000 Dances - Wilson Pickett 23 25 23 24 22 4665
    28 24 I Can't Turn You Loose - Otis Redding 24 21 26 29 29 3620
    NEW 25 I Don't Care - Los Bravos 25= 26 27 28 26 2725
    16 26 I Saw Her Again - The Mamas and Papas 29 30 24 27 28 2605
    24 27 How Sweet It Is - Junior Walker and The All Stars 27 28 28 26 24 2445
    15 28 Visions - Cliff Richard 28 25 25 27 2440
    30 29 Big Time Operator - Zoot Money and The Big Roll Band 25= 29 22 25 1910
    NEW 30 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 30 22 1800
    Another Tear Falls - The Walker Brothers 23 1600
    Sunny - Georgie Fame 29 400
    Summer In The City - The Lovin' Spoonful 30 250
    Summertime - Billy Stewart 30 100
    Hi-Lili Hi-Lo - The Alan Price Set 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 17th September 1966. Enjoy.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 17th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 All Or Nothing - The Small Faces 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    2 2 Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby - The Beatles 2 2 2 3 3 18230
    6 3 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 3 3 4 2 2 17715
    4 4 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 4 4 3 4 4 17395
    3 5 God Only Knows - The Beach Boys 5 5 5 6 5 16410
    9 6 Got To Get You Into My Life - Cliff Bennett and The Rebel Rousers 6= 8 6 7 6 15375
    14 7 Working In The Coal Mine - Lee Dorsey 6= 7 7 5 8 15355
    8 8 Lovers Of The World Unite - David and Jonathan 8 6 9 9 9 14570
    18 9 I'm A Boy - The Who 9 9 8 8 14 13895
    5 10 They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa ! - Napoleon XIV 10 12 11 10 7 12940
    28 11 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 11= 11 10 13 13 12580
    26 12 Little Man - Sonny and Cher 11= 10 14 11 12 12065
    11 13 Just Like A Woman - Manfred Mann 13 13 12 12 10 12035
    7 14 Mama - Dave Berry 14 14 13 14 11 11300
    15 15 Visions - Cliff Richard 17 16 16 19 19 8970
    12 16 I Saw Her Again - The Mamas and Papas 15 18 17 16 17 8790
    21 17 When I Come Home - The Spencer Davis Group 16 24 15 15 15 8360
    17 18 More Than Love - Ken Dodd 19 17 20 18 18 7955
    22 19 Ashes To Ashes - The Mindbenders 18 21 18 17 16 7925
    NEW 20 Walk With Me - the Seekers 20 20 19 20 23 6980
    13 21 Hi-Lili Hi-Lo - The Alan Price Set 21 26 22 21 20 5185
    10 22 With A Girl Like You - The Troggs 22 19 26 25 21 5100
    NEW 23 Sunny - Bobby Hebb 29 15 28 24 4650
    23 24 How Sweet It Is - Junior Walker and The All Stars 23 25 25 22 22 4365
    16 25 Summer In The City - The Lovin' Spoonful 24 27 21 23 28 4355
    NEW 26 Land Of 1,000 Dances - Wilson Pickett 25 22 29 27 25 3210
    20 27 The More I See You - Chris Montez 26 23 26 24 3095
    27 28 I Can't Turn You Loose - Otis Redding 27= 29 24 28 30 2535
    NEW 29 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 27= 23 26 2025
    RE 30 Big Time Operator - Zoot Money and The Big Roll Band 30 30 27 30 29 1470
    I Don't Care - Los Bravos 28 600
    Black Is Black - Los Bravos 29 27 540
    Run - Sandie Shaw 30 250


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  • MrTibbs
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    I'm 100% with you on that Bob. It's a pleasant enough pop song but way, way down the list of standout recordings that year. For sheer imaginative ingenuity and pop perfection I believe Good Vibrations to be the beacon that shone forth from 1966 by a country mile. To be overlooked was nothing short of criminal.

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