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  • Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 31st 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 31st 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    5 1 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 1 1 6000
    4 2 Baby Face - Little Richard 2 3 2 2 2 5725
    2 3 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears 3 2 3 3 3 5675
    1 4 The Day The Rains Came - Jane Morgan 4 4 5 5 4 5335
    6 5 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 5= 4 7 6 5 5185
    3 6 It's Only Make Believe - Conway Twitty 5= 7 4 4 7 4995
    18 7 Problems - The Everly Brothers 7= 8 9 7 6 4735
    12 8 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 7= 6 6 8 10 4680
    13 9 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 9 9 8 12 8 4365
    10 10 Tom Dooley - Lonnie Donegan 11 10 10 10 12 4080
    8 11 Tom Dooley - The Kingston Trio 10 13 11 9 9 4050
    9 12 Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra 12= 11 17 14 11 3730
    11 13 Love Makes The World Go Round (A) - Perry Como * 14= 19 13 11 15 3560
    7 14 Hoots Mon - Lord Rockingham's XI 12= 14 12 13 14 3490
    14 15 Chantilly Lace - The Big Bopper 14= 12 15 15 16 3365
    16 16 Come On Let's Go - Tommy Steele 16 16 14 17 18 2890
    19 17 High School Confidential - Jerry Lee Lewis 17 18 20 18 13 2850
    17 18 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Connie Francis 18 17 16 17 2490
    NEW 19 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 20 20 19 1545
    RE 20 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 20 20 1100
    23 21 The World Outside - Ronnie Hilton 20 825
    21 22 You're The Top Cha - Al Saxon 22 675
    29 23 I'll Be With You In Apple Blossom Time - Rosemary June 26 19 675
    22 24 Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Ricky Nelson 23 600
    NEW 25 There Must Be A Way - Joni James 19 24 525
    27 26 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 29 16 525
    15 27 High Class Baby - Cliff Richard 19 480
    NEW 28 Livin' Lovin' Doll - Cliff Richard 25 450
    20 29 Cannonball - Duane Eddy 18 325
    NEW 30 Last Night On The Back Porch - Alma Cogan 27 300
    30 30 The World Outside - The Four Aces 27 300
    Mandolins In The Moonlight - Perry Como (B) 15
    That's My Doll - Frankie Vaughan 30 75
    24 Woman From Liberia - Jimmie Rodgers
    25 The World Outside - Russ Conway
    26 My Ulelele - Max Bygraves
    28 It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards
    * This week the split side disadvantaged the averaged chart position so an average was taken from the other 3 charts and awarded to NME to give a more representative chart position.
    The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

    The Way It Was Meant To Be

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    • The unanimity at the top adds credence to the view that last week RM got it right. MM and Disc may have been suffering from the difficulty that points charts tend to be too slow in identifying a 'bullet' top seller, as demonstrated later by BMRB and Gallup, and NME was having another of its highly maverick moments with their no. 1 which had fallen in position elsewhere.

      In trying to determine from the entrails what really was happening these transitional weeks are the most difficult to call.

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      • I think you're right here because both of last weeks #1's on the other three charts tumble from the top right out of the top three so it is highly probable that RM called it correct. For my money I Got Stung was by far the stronger side, a cracking good fast paced rocker.
        The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

        The Way It Was Meant To Be

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        • So if Disc had been more on the ball and placed Elvis 5 or higher (rather than 9), he'd have been no.1 overall the week of the 24th. The average of the other charts suggest it should have been in at 2.... Wonder why they were so far off.

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          • BTW, The BBC chart no. 19 on the 31st should be Slim Dusty.
            Also both Tom Dooley tracks should be equal 10 on points so they miscalculated here.
            Last edited by braindeadpj; Mon May 16, 2022, 01:34.

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            • Also Pat Boone's I'll Remember The Night is a re-entry on the 31st January chart from the 17th January (when it was at 28).

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              • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
                BTW, The BBC chart no. 19 on the 31st should be Slim Dusty.
                Like Sinatra before, difficult to see how this could be an honest mistake.

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                • Originally posted by Splodj View Post

                  Like Sinatra before, difficult to see how this could be an honest mistake.
                  Yeah Splodj and David, some mistakes, no, correction lots of mistakes, are miscalculations but some other chart positions given by the BBC are just inexplicable.
                  The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                  The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                  • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
                    Also Pat Boone's I'll Remember The Night is a re-entry on the 31st January chart from the 17th January (when it was at 28).
                    Yip, now corrected.
                    The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                    The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                    • Greetings Pop Pickers

                      ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 7th 1959

                      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 7th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
                      Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                      1 1 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 1 1 6000
                      3 2 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears * 3 2 2 3 3 5700
                      2 3 Baby Face - Little Richard * 2 3 3 2 2 5700
                      5 4 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 4 3 5 4 4 5450
                      8 5 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 5 3 4 8 6 5195
                      7 6 Problems - The Everly Brothers 6= 6 8 6 5 5010
                      9 7 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 6= 7 6 5 7 4905
                      4 8 The Day The Rains Came - Jane Morgan 8 7 7 9 8 4660
                      6 9 It's Only Make Believe - Conway Twitty 9 10 9 7 9 4405
                      NEW 10 Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavour - Lonnie Donegan 10= 9 11 17 12 3850
                      17 11 High School Confidential - Jerry Lee Lewis 10= 14 15 10 10 3775
                      12 12 Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra 12 11 14 18 11 3645
                      14 13 Hoots Mon - Lord Rockingham's XI 13= 15 13 13 15 3330
                      11 14 Tom Dooley - The Kingston Trio 13= 18 12 12 14 3230
                      10 15 Tom Dooley - Lonnie Donegan 16 13 17 15 19 3060
                      19 16 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 13= 12 10 13 3030
                      15 17 Chantilly Lace - The Big Bopper 17 17 14 18 2510
                      23 18 I'll Be With You In Apple Blossom Time - Rosemary June 18= 16 19 17 2265
                      NEW 19 Wee Tom - Lord Rockingham's XI 21 18 16 1975
                      18 20 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Connie Francis 18= 26 11 20 1835
                      13 21 Love Makes The World Go 'Round / Mandolins In The Moonlight - Perry Como 20 24 16 16 1500
                      26 22 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 20 19 1305
                      21 23 The World Outside - Ronnie Hilton 18 975
                      28 24 Livin' Lovin' Doll - Cliff Richard 25 20 890
                      30 25 The World Outside - The Four Aces 23 20 875
                      20 26 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 21 750
                      16 27 Come On Let's Go - Tommy Steele 28 225
                      NEW 27 That's My Doll - Frankie Vaughan 28 225
                      22 29 You're The Top Cha - Al Saxon 30 75
                      Mandolins In The Moonlight - Perry Como (B) 27
                      24 Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Ricky Nelson
                      25 There Must Be A Way - Joni James
                      27 High Class Baby - Cliff Richard
                      29 Cannonball - Duane Eddy
                      30 Last Night On The Back Porch - Alma Cogan
                      * Either the BBC or the manuscipt is wrong again as it lists a #2 and #3 but the points clearly indicate a tie.


                      ​​​​​​​
                      The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                      The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                      • Yet another calculation/transcript error on the BBC chart again this week.

                        I think by now it is blatantly obvious that the level of errors in calculation on the BBC chart far exceeds the level previously thought to be the case. This has only been brought to light because the UAC compilation has initiated a level of scrutiny on the BBC figures previously not undertaken. Until this the figures have been totally accepted and taken at face value.

                        At the onset my goal was to produce an averaged music paper chart that aside from averaging out simple chart positions, as done by the BBC chart, would also be made more robust by factoring in approximate numbers of shop dealer returns as well as not all charts were equal in that respect. This 'extra level' was designed to eradicate the large number of ties that existed in the BBC chart and to correct the few known errors that were already known to exist within the BBC chart.

                        But now we know differently following this exercise. The BBC chart can no longer be accepted as a robust, accurate, or viable chart for reference purposes as it seriously flawed both in compilation and authority.
                        Furthermore I have just pointed out the obvious errors that jumped out of the page at me when transferring the figures to the spreadsheet for the UAC. There are obviously lots more if you look even closer as David (braindeadpj) discovered and mentions above.

                        So, for those of us who like me believe an averaged chart best represents this time period before actual shop sales figures were used by the BMRB I'd like to think I have offered a suitable alternative by introducing the UAC. The BBC principle was correct but too simplistic and poorly executed. The UAC is far from perfect after all it's based on imperfect data from a points system in dealer returns to music papers. Human error would play a part in these returns, manipulation, flawed information downright untruths at times even. But that was the times and these are our only historical records of what was passing across counters at the time.

                        That is why I believe the averaging process provides the most robust chart. At least if one paper gets it wrong, and they do, just look at any of the chart comparisons on the UAC page and you will see just how often that happens that one is out of sync with the others but the other papers help smooth this out to provide a more balanced chart.

                        At least I'm satisfied that the UAC is as accurate as possible to the data provided. Being human and in dealing with multiple figures I too have made some errors along the way, some I noticed and corrected as I went along and others you picked up on and I corrected.
                        I'm therefore satisfied the goal is being met the BBC has been not only been 're-imagined' but restructured as well.
                        The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                        The Way It Was Meant To Be

                        Comment


                        • One obvious difference is that the BBC is only counting NMEs top 20. For example, Connie Francis is given only 21 points for NME instead of 26. But neither way is ideal; you really need all 4 inputting Top 30s or more for a robust Top 20 output.

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                          • 15 27 High Class Baby - Cliff Richard

                            NEW 28 Livin' Lovin' Doll - Cliff Richard

                            A much weaker follow-up to his previous hits. A long wait for his first number one?

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                            • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                              15 27 High Class Baby - Cliff Richard

                              NEW 28 Livin' Lovin' Doll - Cliff Richard

                              A much weaker follow-up to his previous hits. A long wait for his first number one?
                              I agree Brian but two absolute belters to follow this year.
                              The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                              The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                              • There is a very peculiar claim across the web that 'Livin Lovin Doll' was released to pretend that he was fulfilling an obligation to release 'Livin Doll' - as if they wouldn't notice the difference!

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                                When the NME chart book came out they said it included some corrections. Have these been identified?

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                                • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                  When the NME chart book came out they said it included some corrections. Have these been identified?
                                  I am not aware of them all - I think it was some of the weeks when entries were omitted (Such as the week Russ Conway Got A Match charted at 30 and yet didn't....)



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                                  Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                  • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                    When the NME chart book came out they said it included some corrections. Have these been identified?
                                    I don't know if they were corrected in later volumes but in the first edition the following were omitted that I am immediately aware off.

                                    1952 20th December Kay Starr Comes-A-Long-A-Love from #3
                                    1959 28th February Petite Fleur Chris Barber from #8

                                    But the first volume also corrected the following error made in the paper at the time.

                                    1972 25th March Donnie Elbert I Can't Help Myself which in the book was slotted in as extra #10 with Floy Joy by The Supremes.

                                    In 1974 19th January Diana Ross All Of My Life was omitted from the paper and was added in later as an extra #17 with Street Life by Roxy Music.

                                    The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                    The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                                    • Great info.

                                      I suppose you know that Feb-59 was a special time for British records, because 3 of them were in the upper echelons of the Billboard chart simultaneously - inciuding that Chris Barber one you mention.

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                                      • I wonder whether the BBC decided to split the titles because they were in the top 3 - not sure how though - I was going to say that they split it based on the fact that Little Richard is staying at 2 while The Teddy bears would be climbing to 2, but it would make more sense to be the other way round, so maybe its just that somebody couldn't count??
                                        Last edited by braindeadpj; Tue May 17, 2022, 02:18.

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                                        • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                          ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 14th 1959

                                          Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 14th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
                                          Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
                                          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                          1 1 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 1 1 6000
                                          2 2 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears 2 4 2 4 2 5570
                                          4 3 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 3= 3 5 2 4 5530
                                          5 4 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 3= 2 3 3 6 5495
                                          3 5 Baby Face - Little Richard 5 5 4 7 3 5265
                                          10 6 Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavour - Lonnie Donegan 6 6 7 5 5 5075
                                          6 7 Problems - The Everly Brothers 7= 8 8 6 7 4740
                                          7 8 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 7= 7 6 8 8 4725
                                          8 9 The Day The Rains Came - Jane Morgan 9 9 11 13 9 4190
                                          22 10 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 10 11 10 15 10 3925
                                          11 11 High School Confidential - Jerry Lee Lewis 12 12 16 9 13 3760
                                          9 12 It's Only Make Believe - Conway Twitty 11 13 9 11 15 3660
                                          16 13 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 14 10 13 16 14 3645
                                          18 14 I'll Be With You In Apple Blossom Time - Rosemary June 13 14 12 14 12 3570
                                          19 15 Wee Tom - Lord Rockingham's XI 15 16 12 11 3085
                                          NEW 16 The Little Drummer Boy - The Beverly Sisters 20 16 19 1845
                                          NEW 17 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 16 27 14 15 1685
                                          17 18 Chantilly Lace - The Big Bopper 26 20 20 1475
                                          24 19 Livin' Lovin' Doll - Cliff Richard 20 17 1385
                                          13 20 Hoots Mon - Lord Rockingham's XI 18 25 15 18 1370
                                          26 21 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 19 17 1320
                                          25 22 The World Outside - The Four Aces 18 20 1250
                                          NEW 23 My Happiness - Connie Francis 19 18 1225
                                          12 24 Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra 19 15 1200
                                          15 25 Tom Dooley - Lonnie Donegan 22 17 1025
                                          NEW 26 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 29 18 930
                                          20 27 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Connie Francis 17 10 840
                                          NEW 28 Gigi - Billy Eckstine 20 825
                                          23 29 The World Outside - Ronnie Hilton 22 675
                                          NEW 29 The Little Drummer Boy - The Harry Simeone Chorale 22 675
                                          29 You're The Top Cha - Al Saxon 19 300
                                          14 Tom Dooley - The Kingston Trio 28 225
                                          The Wonderful Secret Of Love - Robert Earl 29 150
                                          21 Love Makes The World Go 'Round / Mandolins In The Moonlight - Perry Como
                                          27 Come On Let's Go - Tommy Steele
                                          27 That's My Doll - Frankie Vaughan
                                          The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                          The Way It Was Meant To Be

                                          Comment


                                          • How weird, two months after Christmas and two versions of The Little Drummer boy chart in time for Valentine's Day.
                                            Lonnie Donegan moves on to show his novelty side for the first time but it won't be his last.
                                            Huge variations with Petite Fleur, 14 and 15 in two charts and 27 and nowhere on the other two.
                                            The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                            The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                                            • 'A Pub With No Beer' the first Australian record in the UK charts, I believe. (I like The Dubliners later cover.)

                                              Although Lonnie's first novelty song his stage show always had a humorous streak running through it. Watching him on YouTube I get the impression he saw himself as an entertainer rather than just a singer.

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                                              • Pub With No Beer is one my dad used to sing (he played the guitar and did perform in some clubs in the early 1970’s). I liked the song a lot

                                                I think Lonnie was doing stuff that got people in and the act developed into that. When I saw him in about 1989 the act was the classic songs because that’s what people wanted. In the 1950’s you had that mix of music and odd acts. Look at for example Ken Dodd and those Victorian music hall type shows on bbc 4.
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                                                • ​​McCartney must have been an early admirer as he went to a Donegan concert on 11th November 1956, according to The Beatles Bible.

                                                  (Alan Smith posted on that site earlier this year - so presumably is still around.)

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                                                  • It might come as a surprise to some people but later this year those popular crooners of the day Miki and Griff will have a minor hit with The Lonnie Donegan Skiffle Group. Apparently Lonnie's backing accompanied a few of their songs.
                                                    The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                                    The Way It Was Meant To Be

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