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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Onwards and Upwards !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 12th November 1966 for your interest.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 12th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 1 1 2 1 1 18800
    11 2 Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys 2 2 1 2 5 18410
    2 3 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 3 4 3 3 2 17665
    10 4 Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann 4 3 4 4 3 17430
    17 5 Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group 5= 4 5 5 8 16455
    6 6 High Time - Paul Jones 5= 6 6 6 4 16045
    3 7 I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs 7 8 10 7 6 14375
    4 8 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 8 7 11 8 7 14140
    5 9 No Milk Today - Herman's Hermits 9 10 7 11 9 14070
    12 10 If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 12 12 8 13 13 12880
    9 11 Time Drags By - Cliff Richard 11 13 9 12 11 12700
    7 12 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 10 9 14 9 10 12635
    13 13 A Fool Am I - Cilla Black 13 11 12 10 14 12295
    8 14 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 14 14 13 14 12 11215
    22 15 Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey 15 15 15 16 16 9975
    14 16 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 16 16 16 17 15 9510
    15 17 I've Got You Under My Skin - The Four Seasons 17 21 17 15 17 8290
    25 18 Help Me Girl - Eric Burdon and The Animals 18 19 18 19 20 7785
    20 19 Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations 19 25 21 18 18 6105
    24 20 All That I Am - Elvis Presley 21 22 20 23 24 5945
    29 21 A Love Like Yours - Ike and Tina Turner 22 18 23 24 26 5725
    16 22 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 20 26 19 22 23 5580
    NEW 23 What Would I Be - Val Doonican 25 17 25 4300
    18 24 I'm A Boy - The Who 23 29 22 27 19 4070
    NEW 25 Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones 26 20 27 29 3400
    19 26 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows - The Rolling Stones 24 28 21 22 2515
    28 27 Painter Man - The Creation 27 27 29 20 2400
    26 28 Wrapping Paper - Cream 28 24 25 2350
    RE 29 Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 29 23 30 29 1870
    NEW 30 Ride On Baby - Chris Farlowe 24 30 1650
    Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats 26 1250
    Just One Smile - Gene Pitney 28 26 1100
    Lady Godiva - Peter and Gordon 30 21 850
    You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 28 25 810
    Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 30 27 540
    I Love My Dog - Cat Stevens 28 255
    Walk With Me - The Seekers 30 85

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  • ACA
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    I will certainly not make this a big issue, only say that the NME listings in your November 5th list correspond with mine again. Only difference is that I have placed the Spencer Davis Group at 15 and Bobby Darin at 14, probably the order of playing the tracks.
    I rarely listened to Luxy in those days as the reception was awful at nights, and as you wrote, Brian, the Luxy list was broadcast at 11pm - that was after midnight European time, and normally I was fast asleep.
    The Danish Top 20 was aired from 4-5pm on sundays, and I could switch to the BBC at 5pm (that would be 4pm GMT). But on March 19th 1967 I wrote a disclaimer groumbling about that the UK switched to summertime, and forcing me to switch between the two chart programmes in order to follow both!

    I never wrote down the pirates lists although I listened a lot to Radio Caroline( which was clearly received in my part of the country), because I realized the list was too far from the 'official' one. (read BBC).
    I will continue to follow your efforts and lists, Brian, and if i notice any significant changes in the lists I have, i'll let you know of course.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Graham I do believe on this occasion Splodj is correct about which chart was broadcast on POTP. When the music papers compiled their chart at the beginning of each week (albeit it was last week's sales), the BBC also did their average chart from this in time for TOTP that week, Wednesday and later Thursday. On the Sunday immediately following this POTP broadcast the chart as the same one which had been on TOTP.

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  • Splodj
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    I've always assumed that the BBC did pay the contributors for their charts. They were still using copyright material, which they were given even during a printers strike. The music papers were keen to recover the considerable expense of compilation, so I don't see why the BBC would have received them for free just because they combined them.

    ​​​Anyway, papers in the BBC archive will show whether they did or not.

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  • Graham76man
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    As I was only six at the time so I don't know what Alan would have said the NME, but it was a popular paper and if you look at the positions of the NME and BBC many are the same, so he could have said something to those effects.
    Some of the Pirate Stations used the NME and Melody Maker charts, but they often switch positions to avoid a copyright claim. Had the BBC used the NME charts there would have been a copyright issue. And the BBC never did that on purpose!
    The introduction of Radio One in 1967 would have seen the need to extend Pick of The Pops, so they did.

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  • Graham76man
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    NO you would not. You would have heard the previous week week ending 15 October. This is why on the Real Chart I always used the day after the sales count had finished. People think the week ending charts are the sales from (in the case of the 22 October one) 17 October (no sales Sunday of course) to 22 October. When in fact they are the sales from 10 to 15 October.

  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 5th November 1966 for your interest.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 5th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    4 2 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 2 2 2 3 2 18315
    2 3 I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs 3 3 3 2 3 17880
    3 4 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 4 4 6 5 4 16545
    8 5 No Milk Today - Herman's Hermits 7 9 4 8 7 15490
    15 6 High Time - Paul Jones 6 8 7 6 6 15225
    5 7 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 5 5 11 4 5 15110
    6 8 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 8 9 8 7 8 14505
    11 9 Time Drags By - Cliff Richard 9 11 5 9 10 14485
    26 10 Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann 10 7 10 11 11 13750
    NEW 11 Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys 11= 6 13 14 15 12560
    16 12 If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 11= 14 9 12 13 12330
    17 13 A Fool Am I - Cilla Black 13 13 12 10 14 11895
    7 14 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 14 12 14 15 9 11520
    12 15 I've Got You Under My Skin - The Four Seasons 15 16 15 13 12 10415
    13 16 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 16 18 16 18 17 8840
    NEW 17 Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group 18 14 17 17 26 8725
    10 18 I'm A Boy - The Who 17 17 20 19 16 8025
    9 19 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows - The Rolling Stones 19 19 19 21 19 7420
    19 20 Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations 20 23 18 20 22 6715
    14 21 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 21 20 22 25 20 5985
    NEW 22 Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey 22 25 21 22 25 5110
    22 23 Lady Godiva - Peter and Gordon 25 21 25 28 23 4480
    23 24 All That I Am - Elvis Presley 23= 28 23 27 18 4105
    NEW 25 Help Me Girl - Eric Burdon and The Animals 23= 27 26 16 27 3890
    29 26 Wrapping Paper - Cream 28 25 24 24 3650
    20 27 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 26 29 27 23 21 3050
    NEW 28 Painter Man - The Creation 27 22 26 2300
    NEW 29 A Love Like Yours - Ike and Tina Turner 29 24 30 1650
    30 30 I Love My Dog - Cat Stevens 30 29 28 955
    Sunny - Georgie Fame 28 30 835
    Walk With Me - The Seekers 30 24 595
    What Would I Be - Val Doonican 30 200
    I Don't Care - Los Bravos 29 200
    Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 29 170
    Two At A Time - Neil Christian 30 100

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  • MrTibbs
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    Hi again Anders. Yip, like I said before and Splodj just confirmed also, Pick Of The Pops did indeed use the BBC's own chart right up to February 1969.
    I too can remember like Splodj that Alan normally commented that the BBC compiled their chart from the weekly music newspaper charts NME etc etc. On a Sunday night at 11pm Radio Luxembourg played the Top 20 and in 1966 this would have been the NME chart.
    I hope this helps.

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  • Splodj
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    Pick Of The Pops definitely used the BBC chart.

    Every now and then Alan Freeman would say something like: "Compiled from the charts provided by the New Musical Express, Melody Maker, Disc and Record Retailer. Not 'alf!"

    Is it possible that you heard only part of this message?

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  • ACA
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    Thanks a lot guys for trying to clarify what happened some 55 (!) years ago! I think you, Brian, and Splodj came up with the clue. Of course it was *Pick of the Pops' and Alan Freeman I listened to then! I just couldn't remember the name of the program.
    As for Radio Luxembourg the programming was in German until, if I remember well, about 7pm (GMT), when the English programming took over.
    But Alan Freeman must have used the NME charts for his show, as these correspond with my notes at least for 22nd and 29th October. And living in a rural area on the West Coast of Denmark there was no chance that I came near a copy of the NME then.
    In fact I started a subscripton in late 1968, when I felt my english was good enough to get something out of the articles.

    I'm still questioning why Alan Freeman used the NME charts, when BBC TV (Top of the Pops) worked out their own charts.

    Just a little info looking forward. On August 27th 1967 I have expanded my notes to a Top 30 and the program was extended by half an hour. (4 to 5,30pm) By 1st October 1967
    my notes say that it's now a 2-hour program. (4 to 6pm).

    Anders
    Last edited by ACA; Mon September 21, 2020, 11:17. Reason: correction of meaning

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  • Robbie
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    ^
    Yes, Graham is referring to the sales week ending date whereas ACA is referring to the chart week ending date. The latter has historically been dated 7 days after the former.

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  • Splodj
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    I understand what you are saying, Graham, about the 'survey period' week. But to avoid confusion it should be clarified that had you listened to Pick Of The Pops between 4pm and 5pm UK time on Sunday 23rd October 1966 you would indeed have heard the BBC chart that Brian has listed as being week ending 22-Oct.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by ACA View Post
    I was waiting for your publication of the 22nd October 1966 with great interest, as that was the date when I started writing down the British Top 20 from radio listening in a notebook(must have been BBC 1). Actually, I have dated it the 23rd October as it must have been broadcast on Sundays. (initially from 5 to 6pm, that may have been 4 to 5pm british time).
    I realize that your BBC charts are based on the 'Top of The Pops' charts, but I was surprised to note that the BBC radio charts that I copied, at least at that time, were based on the NME charts!
    The dating system does confuse people. But if you were listening to the radio on the 23 October, you would not have heard the week ending 22 October chart. The problem is that it took several days to compile the charts, even when the BMRB took over in 1969. And the week ending chart for the 22 would not be available till Tuesday 25 October. By the 70's Radio One would announce the chart around lunchtime on Tuesday. With the Music Press publishing the 22 chart on Thursday 27 October, with TOTP using the chart on the same day.
    What you were listening too on the 23, was the week ending 15 October chart!
    That system was in operation till the BBC's rival - The Network Chart started doing a faster version of the chart. This meant that the new records would be in the Network Chart a week earlier than the BBC top 40, though when the next chart came out on Tuesday the new entries had sold more. So a Network Chart entry might be say 30, but the full sales on the BBC chart would have at 15. The papers carrying the Network Chart however would not benefit from the faster chart. As the BBC chart would be out in all the other papers covering the same week, just more of it!
    However the BBC put pressure on Gallup to bring out the chart for Sunday and they did. Making the Chart up-to-date.

    The system was a nightmare for the Top of The People booking acts. When the chart came out Tuesday they could then see who was climbing and new. But they had only a day and a half to book the acts and do rehearsals to get the show ready for Thursday. Since they couldn't book an act that was falling down the charts, this caused problems. Especially if an act looked set to rise and then didn't! The TOTP dancers spent lots of time doing numbers for records that were then cancelled come Tuesday afternoon! This might explain why some of the routines were a bit naff. They had only a day to come up with something that was hard to dance too anyway!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Hi ACA. Firstly thanks for following my chart threads, the RM mid fifties thread and now here at The Ultimate Averaged Chart, and thanks too for your words of support as it really is appreciated.

    So, to the charts. I can actually confirm to you that the BBC's own charts were actually broadcast on Top Of The Pops on TV and also on BBC radio including Pick Of The Pops on Sundays which you refer to until February 1969 when they started to use the newly compiled BMRB chart and discontinued compiling their own.

    At no time did the BBC ever use the NME chart, or any other individual music paper chart. The BBC compiled their own chart by averaging out the music paper charts. I think what you might be referring to is Radio Luxembourg because they used the NME chart for the majority of the sixties including their Top 20 show on a Sunday night.

    I hope this info clears the confusion up for you, and please continue to enjoy the thread and make any further comments you wish to offer.

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  • ACA
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    Brian, I have been following your efforts with great interest since you started reconstructing the Record Mirror charts from the mid 50's. I have been very busy on other projects, so really haven't found the time to react to your huge work here. It's really admirable!

    I was waiting for your publication of the 22nd October 1966 with great interest, as that was the date when I started writing down the British Top 20 from radio listening in a notebook(must have been BBC 1). Actually, I have dated it the 23rd October as it must have been broadcast on Sundays. (initially from 5 to 6pm, that may have been 4 to 5pm british time).
    I realize that your BBC charts are based on the 'Top of The Pops' charts, but I was surprised to note that the BBC radio charts that I copied, at least at that time, were based on the NME charts!
    So the BBC obviously used their own charts for TV, but the NME charts for radio. It puzzles me a bit as I have seen more contributors to this thread stating that the BBC indeed made their own charts, not to favour any of the magazine charts published at that time.
    Any idea why radio used the NME charts? Maybe they were the most topical issue?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 29th October 1966 for your interest.

    I don't know how the BBC get the joint No 2 between The Troggs and Jim Reeves as there is a 4 point difference between them !
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 29th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    4 2 I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs 2 3 2 2 2 18215
    2 3 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 3 2 5 3 3 17480
    9 4 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 4 4 3 5 4 17295
    3 5 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 5 5 4 4 5 16860
    6 6 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 6 6 6 6 7 15790
    5 7 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 7 7 7 7 6 15325
    14 8 No Milk Today - Herman's Hermits 8 10 8 9 9 14020
    7 9 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows - The Rolling Stones 9 8 11 8 10 13685
    8 10 I'm A Boy - The Who 10 11 9 11 8 13455
    18 11 Time Drags By - Cliff Richard 11 9 10 12 13 13080
    15 12 I've Got You Under My Skin - The Four Seasons 12 12 12 10 14 12095
    10 13 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 13 14 13 13 11 11400
    11 14 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 14 13 14 15 12 11065
    25 15 High Time - Paul Jones 15 15 15 17 15 9960
    27 16 If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 16 17 17 18 18 8705
    28 17 A Fool Am I - Cilla Black 17 16 18 14 23 8630
    12 18 Sunny - Georgie Fame 18 22 16 16 19 8070
    23 19 Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations 20 20 19 21 21 7050
    17 20 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 19 18 22 19 20 6985
    16 21 Walk With Me - The Seekers 22 19 23 26 16 6175
    19 22 Lady Godiva - Peter and Gordon 21 25 21 20 17 5990
    22 23 All That I Am - Elvis Presley 23 23 20 23 22 5915
    26 24 Born A Woman - Sandy Posey 25 24 24 28 25 3960
    13 25 Little Man - Sonny and Cher 24 25 26 24 24 3745
    NEW 26 Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann 27 21 28 27 3150
    21 27 I Don't Care - Los Bravos 26 28 27 22 27 2840
    20 28 Another Tear Falls - The Walker Brothers 28 25 25 26 2525
    NEW 29 Wrapping Paper - Cream 29 27 29 29 1500
    30 30 I Love My Dog - Cat Stevens 30 29 30 29 820
    Dear Mrs. Applebee - David Garrick 28 255
    Help Me Girl - Eric Burdon and The Animals 30 200
    A Love Like Yours - Ike and Tina Turner 30 200
    I Can't Make It Alone - P J Proby 30 100
    Somewhere My Love - Mike Sammes Singers 30 85
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Wed September 23, 2020, 18:36.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 22nd October 1966 for your interest.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 22nd 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    15 1 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 1 2 1 1 2 18765
    1 2 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 2 1 3 2 1 18450
    4 3 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 4 4 2 4 6 17475
    6 4 I Can't Control Myself - the Troggs 3 3 4 3 4 17445
    3 5 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 5 5 8 5 3 15930
    7 6 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 6= 7 5 7 7 15740
    5 7 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows - The Rolling Stones 6= 6 6 6 8 15705
    2 8 I'm A Boy - The Who 8 8 7 8 5 15110
    21 9 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 9 9 10 9 10 13635
    9 10 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 11 11 9 10 11 13300
    8 11 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 10 10 11 11 9 13070
    11 12 Sunny - Georgie Fame 12 13 12 12 14 11695
    10 13 Little Man - Sonny and Cher 13 12 13 14 13 11530
    20 14 No Milk Today - Herman's Hermits 14 14 16 15 17 9940
    19 15 I've Got You Under My Skin - The Four Seasons 16 17 15 13 20 9535
    13 16 Walk With Me - The Seekers 15 19 14 19 12 9465
    12 17 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 17 15 19 18 15 8860
    NEW 18 Time Drags By - Cliff Richard 20 16 18 21 21 8100
    18 19 Lady Godiva - Peter and Gordon 19 20 17 20 16 8075
    14 20 Another Tear Falls - The Walker Brothers 18 18 20 16 18 7955
    17 21 I Don't Care - Los Bravos 21 22 21 17 19 6720
    29 22 All That I Am - Elvis Presley 22 23 24 22 26 4675
    NEW 23 Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations 23 26 22 23 25 4560
    16 24 Sunny - Bobby Hebb 24 29 23 24 22 3865
    28 25 High Time - Paul Jones 25 21 25 30 28 3855
    23 26 Born A Woman - Sandy Posey 26 27 26 27 24 3045
    NEW 27 If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 27 24 29 25 29 2670
    NEW 28 A Fool Am I - Cilla Black 29 25 28 28 2250
    24 29 Dear Mrs. Applebee - David Garrick 28 30 27 23 1880
    NEW 30 I Love My Dog - Cat Stevens 28 30 850
    Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 30 26 27 840
    Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby - The Beatles 29 30 285

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 15th October 1966 for your interest.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 15th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 1 1 2 1 1 18800
    2 2 I'm A Boy - The Who 3 3 1 5 3 18080
    3 3 Bend It - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 2 2 4 3 2 17815
    7 4 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 4 4 3 4 4 17395
    5 5 Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows - The Rolling Stones 5 5 5 2 5 16810
    17 6 I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs 6 6 8 6 9 15120
    11 7 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 7 8 6 10 7 14990
    4 8 You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes 8 7 10 8 6 14475
    8 9 All I See Is You - Dusty Springfield 9 10 7 7 10 14385
    6 10 Little Man - Sonny and Cher 10 9 9 9 8 14055
    14 11 Sunny - Georgie Fame 11 12 11 13 13 12130
    9 12 Too Soon To Know - Roy Orbison 12 13 12 11 14 11795
    10 13 Walk With Me - The Seekers 13 14 13 12 11 11500
    13 14 Another Tear Falls - The Walker Brothers 14 17 14 14 12 10365
    NEW 15 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 16 10 18 16 19 9970
    12 16 Sunny - Bobby Hebb 15 15 16 15 15 9910
    18 17 I Don't Care - Los Bravos 17 18 15 18 17 9090
    20 18 Lady Godiva - Peter and Gordon 18 20 17 20 16 8075
    24 19 I've Got You Under My Skin - The Four Seasons 19 19 21 17 18 7405
    NEW 20 No Milk Today - Herman's Hermits 20 21 20 19 20 6885
    NEW 21 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 22 16 22 23 27 6390
    16 22 Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby - The Beatles 21 27 19 22 26 5125
    28 23 Born A Woman - Sandy Posey 23 26 24 21 28 4005
    29 24 Dear Mrs. Applebee - David Garrick 24 28 23 28 22 3665
    15 25 All Or Nothing - The Small Faces 25 25 24 21 3050
    NEW 26 Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 26 23 28 26 30 2935
    19 27 Working In The Coal Mine - Lee Dorsey 27 26 29 24 2045
    NEW 28 High Time - Paul Jones* 22 1800
    NEW 29 All That I Am - Elvis Presley 28 25 25 1800
    25 30 God Only Knows - The Beach Boys 30 27 25 1510
    *Although points are tied Paul Jones is awarded the higher position as he holds the higher place in the chart with most samples, in this case the NME.
    Time Drags By - Cliff Richard 24 30 1500
    When I Come Home - The Spencer Davis Group 29 29 23 1180
    Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations 29 30 27 1050
    If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 30 200
    Land Of 1,000 Dances - Wilson Pickett 29 170

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  • Graham76man
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    Averaging out charts that use the same method of compilation is fine, but since the BMRB chart is actually using genuine sales and the others are not and still using the old method, then you are giving weight to records that might not be selling well. Since I have now started compiling charts for the 1970 period I have been looking at both the BMRB chart and the NME charts at the same time. And you can clearly see the huge difference between BMRB sales chart and NME points chart. With in my opinion the BMRB chart being much more on the ball. Personally I wouldn't put much credence in a chart that had a sales and points methods of compilation. Too me it would be nearly as bad as trying to make streams into record sales, which is what the current Official Chart does (which I nicknamed the Offal Chart as a result).

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  • kjell
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    I’m not against going back to Sep 55, especially not if there are undisclosed RM dealers returns between then and Mar 56. I thought of Mar 56 because that coincided with the start of MM and and it’s only a few weeks prior to NME’s top 30.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah guys here is my plan.

    Once I reach February 1969 when the BMRB took over I plan on going back to start from 1960 to 1963. My Ultimate Averaged Charts will differ even more than the BBC charts of that time for the following reasons.

    From 21st May 1960 the BBC chart did not include the RM chart because of a change in RM's compilation date meaning it did not arrive in time to be included in the BBC compilation, so only NME, MM, Disc were used until March 1962.
    In March 1962 RM stopped compiling their own chart and started using RR so from that date the BBC now also included RR in their compilation.

    This effectively means that between May 1960 and March 1962 I will be adding the missing RM charts mentioned above but also from March 1960 will also be adding the RR chart also not used until aforementioned March 1962 so The Ultimate Averaged Chart will be scoring a first here.

    On completion of this guys I then intend going back further to at least March 1956 and the first MM chart until 1959, and possibly even further back to September 1955 and the first RM Top 20. I say possibly and this is where you can give me your thoughts guys. Using just NME and RM between September 55 and March 56 is more difficult as it was just the two charts and from what I can gather both were sampling around the same number of shops so the number of tied positions would increase greatly, and how would these then be broken down. Possibly by taking the highest ranking song from the Sheet Music Chart ? Over to you ?

    Then when I have completed 55/56 to Feb 69, I thought I might continue averaging from Feb 69 to after the postal strike in March 1971. It was only really after this date that the BMRB chart was widely accepted and until then NME and MM were still considered as important as BMRB. Again your thoughts on this would be most welcome. Again over to you ?

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  • Splodj
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    BBC mistakes were particularly prevalent in the 21-30 section of their chart, but bear in mind that this was only for internal use; POTP and TOTP presented only a Top 20. A 'new entry' was an entry into the 20, regardless of whether it had been in the 21-30 section before.

    There has been some discussion here about whether the first BBC Top 20 was on Sunday 30-Mar-58 or the week before. It is clear from the online Light Programme schedule that the programme format changed on 30-Mar-58. So I think there is a similar 'internal use' explanation, that they probably unofficially compiled a chart the week before so that they had the previous week's positions when the Top 20 started.

    Also, since Sunday 29-Sep-57 they had been presenting a Top 3 chart so I expect there were unofficial calculations of positions below that down to at least 10.

    Before 29-Sep-57 POTP featured only new releases, although the Radio Times is confusing because it talks about a Top 3. But this was where they invited listeners to vote for their favourite new release and the Top 3 voted for were announced the following week.

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  • Graham76man
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    Yes that would be good to do, as apart from errors and too many tied slots, the 60's BBC chart was already available. Next project Brian!

  • kjell
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    Your parallel setup of competing charts has proved to be at least as interesting as your correction of the Averaged chart. Are you contemplating doing this even before BBC started theirs? I’m thinking of Mar 56 when MM’s chart commenced in addition to NME and RM.

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  • MrTibbs
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    It never ceases to amaze me how often the BBC gets tallies wrong for their chart and doesn't pick up on it. Having all the charts in one place in front of me makes it easy to see this, where they award chart positions yet the points total doesn't justify this in comparison to the record directly above or below. Poor or no double checking took place obviously.

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